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Date: 16 Aug 2008 17:14:36
From: John Salerno
Subject: h3 after castling kingside
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I was studying this case as an example of a kingside attack: 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.c3 Qe7 5.O-O d6 6.d4 Bb6 7.a4 a6 8.a5 Ba7 9.h3 Nf6 10.dxe5 Nxe5 11.Nxe5 Qxe5 12.Nd2 Bxh3 13.gxh3 Qg3+ 14.Kh1 Qxh3+ 15.Kg1 Ng4 16.Nf3 Qg3+ 17.Kh1 Bxf2 0-1 At 9 h3, the book I'm reading says "weak players make this move instinctively in dire dread of having a piece pinned." But given the moves that came before, I don't understand how 9 h3 really prevents a pin at this point. What am I missing? Thanks.
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Date: 17 Aug 2008 02:01:16
From: John Salerno
Subject: Re: h3 after castling kingside
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John Salerno wrote: > I was studying this case as an example of a kingside attack: > > 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.c3 Qe7 5.O-O d6 6.d4 Bb6 7.a4 a6 > 8.a5 Ba7 9.h3 Nf6 10.dxe5 Nxe5 11.Nxe5 Qxe5 12.Nd2 Bxh3 > 13.gxh3 Qg3+ 14.Kh1 Qxh3+ 15.Kg1 Ng4 16.Nf3 Qg3+ 17.Kh1 Bxf2 > 0-1 > > At 9 h3, the book I'm reading says "weak players make this move > instinctively in dire dread of having a piece pinned." But given the > moves that came before, I don't understand how 9 h3 really prevents a > pin at this point. What am I missing? > > Thanks. One other question about this game. Why does Black play 7...a6 instead of 7...a5? I know the move to a6 allows his bishop a way out of trouble, but if he moves the pawn to a5 in the first place, won't that keep the bishop safe where it is?
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Date: 17 Aug 2008 23:11:37
From: help bot
Subject: Re: h3 after castling kingside
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Andrew B. wrote: > > > > 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.c3 Qe7 5.O-O d6 6.d4 Bb6 7.a4 a6 > > > > 8.a5 Ba7 9.h3 Nf6 10.dxe5 Nxe5 11.Nxe5 Qxe5 12.Nd2 Bxh3 > > > > 13.gxh3 Qg3+ 14.Kh1 Qxh3+ 15.Kg1 Ng4 16.Nf3 Qg3+ 17.Kh1 Bxf2 > > > > 0-1 > > > > =EF=BF=BDBut my > > main nitpick is with the horrible ending > > where Black failed to snatch the free pawn > > on h3 with check, and he also failed to see > > the obvious follow-on 15. ...Ng4, > > No he didn't. You are right. I have no idea how I managed to enter the moves wrong for such a short game, but I somehow had it as 14. ... Bxf2 and /White/ resigned, which made no sense. (Also strange is the move 8. a5, which computers just eat with the Knight, shrugging sheepishly.) -- help bot
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Date: 17 Aug 2008 14:16:48
From: Andrew B.
Subject: Re: h3 after castling kingside
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On 17 Aug, 08:55, help bot <[email protected] > wrote: > John Salerno wrote: > > > 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.c3 Qe7 5.O-O d6 6.d4 Bb6 7.a4 a6 > > > 8.a5 Ba7 9.h3 Nf6 10.dxe5 Nxe5 11.Nxe5 Qxe5 12.Nd2 Bxh3 > > > 13.gxh3 Qg3+ 14.Kh1 Qxh3+ 15.Kg1 Ng4 16.Nf3 Qg3+ 17.Kh1 Bxf2 > > > 0-1 > > =A0But my > main nitpick is with the horrible ending > where Black failed to snatch the free pawn > on h3 with check, and he also failed to see > the obvious follow-on 15. ...Ng4, No he didn't.
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Date: 17 Aug 2008 10:43:27
From: Arfur Million
Subject: Re: h3 after castling kingside
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"John Salerno" <[email protected] > wrote in message news:[email protected]... > John Salerno wrote: >> I was studying this case as an example of a kingside attack: >> >> 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.c3 Qe7 5.O-O d6 6.d4 Bb6 7.a4 a6 >> 8.a5 Ba7 9.h3 Nf6 10.dxe5 Nxe5 11.Nxe5 Qxe5 12.Nd2 Bxh3 >> 13.gxh3 Qg3+ 14.Kh1 Qxh3+ 15.Kg1 Ng4 16.Nf3 Qg3+ 17.Kh1 Bxf2 >> 0-1 >> >> At 9 h3, the book I'm reading says "weak players make this move >> instinctively in dire dread of having a piece pinned." But given the >> moves that came before, I don't understand how 9 h3 really prevents a pin >> at this point. What am I missing? >> >> Thanks. > > One other question about this game. Why does Black play 7...a6 instead of > 7...a5? I know the move to a6 allows his bishop a way out of trouble, but > if he moves the pawn to a5 in the first place, won't that keep the bishop > safe where it is? It is often a valid choice in similar positions between ...a6 and ...a5. The advantages of a6 are that the b5 square is protected (a white N or B may like to go there) and that if white does push a5, then that pawn may become weak. The advantage of a5 is that it fights for space on the Q-side, making it harder for W to push b4 (as you point out). I don't think there's a Golden Rule about this, but when in doubt I would go for a6, since the weakening of b5 can be very important in an open game. Regards, Arfur
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Date: 17 Aug 2008 00:55:21
From: help bot
Subject: Re: h3 after castling kingside
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John Salerno wrote: > > 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.c3 Qe7 5.O-O d6 6.d4 Bb6 7.a4 a6 > > 8.a5 Ba7 9.h3 Nf6 10.dxe5 Nxe5 11.Nxe5 Qxe5 12.Nd2 Bxh3 > > 13.gxh3 Qg3+ 14.Kh1 Qxh3+ 15.Kg1 Ng4 16.Nf3 Qg3+ 17.Kh1 Bxf2 > > 0-1 > One other question about this game. Why does Black play 7...a6 instead > of 7...a5? I know the move to a6 allows his bishop a way out of trouble, > but if he moves the pawn to a5 in the first place, won't that keep the > bishop safe where it is? Weak players think like this: "I am worried that my opponent may chase my Bishop, so I will make an escape square by playing ...a6. Then, if the Bishop is attacked, it can retreat inside the shelter of my pawns." The loss of time this entails is under-rated, and the fact that ...a5 would accomplish the same task while preventing the opponent from gaining space is not noticed, as weak players tend to value material above all else. Another factor is that they know this Bishop is the one so many "brilliant" games have as a key player, because it looks toward the key pawn on f2 -- the only one *not* defended by any piece except the King itself. Hence the powerful urge to develop it outside the pawn chain, despite the clumsiness of such followups as ...Qe7. Another thing is that ...a6 prevents a pin via B-b5, while ...a5 does not. Preventing pins can allow the weak player a free hand to try just about any crazy attack he wants, while he knows from painful experience that such pins have, in the past, often led him into excruciating pain. This game in general is far from the ideal expression of how to play chess. First of all, it fails to follow the mantra "Knights before Bishops". Second, it has Black moving his Queen very early on-- although here, that opens up the possibility of castling long, which is interesting. But my main nitpick is with the horrible ending where Black failed to snatch the free pawn on h3 with check, and he also failed to see the obvious follow-on 15. ...Ng4, while White, in sum, failed to see anything whatsoever. I am reminded of a very recent post by Sanny of GetClub fame, where he asks where his program went wrong in a game against the world's strongest chess engine, Rybka. The obvious answer is that he first went wrong when he sat down to play... . -- help bot
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Date: 16 Aug 2008 17:13:12
From: help bot
Subject: Re: h3 after castling kingside
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On Aug 16, 5:14=A0pm, John Salerno <[email protected] > wrote: > I was studying this case as an example of a kingside attack: > > 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.c3 Qe7 5.O-O d6 6.d4 Bb6 7.a4 a6 > 8.a5 Ba7 9.h3 Nf6 10.dxe5 Nxe5 11.Nxe5 Qxe5 12.Nd2 Bxh3 > 13.gxh3 Qg3+ 14.Kh1 Qxh3+ 15.Kg1 Ng4 16.Nf3 Qg3+ 17.Kh1 Bxf2 > 0-1 > > At 9 h3, the book I'm reading says "weak players make this move > instinctively in dire dread of having a piece pinned." But given the > moves that came before, I don't understand how 9 h3 really prevents a > pin at this point. What am I missing? It prevents a pin by ...Bg4 at move nine, where Black's QB would pin White's KN to his Queen. Such a pin would be difficult to break since White has already castled on that side and cannot afford to play h3 and g4. Note that Black, having not yet castled, could delay and possibly castle on the opposite wing, using White's weakening moves (h3, g4) against him. In this opening, the pin with ...Bg4 applies more pressure to the dark squares in the center, d4 and e5, and unless White can safely play Be3 -- leaving his e-pawn unguarded -- White would have to surrender control of this dark-square complex. By the way, ...Bxf2 was awful; it was obvious that Black could snatch the h-pawn with check, then return to g3 with check, and only then grab that pawn, supposing it was the best he had. Like my friend always said, "if you ever somehow manage to luck into seeing a good move-- stop, there might be an even better one!" -- help bot
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Date: 16 Aug 2008 21:15:16
From: help bot
Subject: Re: h3 after castling kingside
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On Aug 16, 8:40=A0pm, John Salerno <[email protected] > wrote: > > =A0 It prevents a pin by ...Bg4 at move nine, where > > Black's QB would pin White's KN to his Queen. > > Ah, of course! Thanks, I didn't even notice that possibility. But still, > h3 seems like a bad move. It is interesting to note that Paul Morphy darned near refuted the move h3 a half- century earlier, beating people left and right as Black in these double King-pawn openings by exploiting tactics, time, and the weakening of key squares that such moves leave in their wake. In this game it was even worse, since Black retained the option of castling on the opposite wing. The rule is not to move what are called "home pawns" -- those pawns in front of your castled King, and instead to advance what are termed "rangers" -- those pawns in front of your opponent's castled King on the other wing. If you have already castled but your opponent retains the option of castling on either wing or remaining in the center, things can become quite difficult because you have to allow for all these possibilities and play moves that are good in any of these possible scenarios. In contrast, your opponent already has the "home address" of your King. -- help bot
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Date: 16 Aug 2008 20:40:32
From: John Salerno
Subject: Re: h3 after castling kingside
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help bot wrote: > It prevents a pin by ...Bg4 at move nine, where > Black's QB would pin White's KN to his Queen. Ah, of course! Thanks, I didn't even notice that possibility. But still, h3 seems like a bad move.
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