World Championship Match--Predictions?

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Date: 13 Oct 2008 14:54:19
From: Brian Lafferty
Subject: World Championship Match--Predictions?

I think Anand will win a close match. Anand by 1/2 point.

Date: 13 Oct 2008 14:16:41
From: samsloan
Subject: Re: World Championship Match--Predictions?

Will they play in a glass cage?

I believe that it is necessary and appropriate?

Sam Sloan

Date: 26 Oct 2008 12:06:42
From: samsloan
Subject: Re: World Championship Match--Predictions?

Game nine, just concluded, was very exciting.

Kramnik sacrificed a bishop for two pawns near the end. It looked like
Kramnik was going to win.

However, Anand found a way to hold it. The game boiled down to a draw.

The score is now 6-3. All Anand needs is one draw in the last three
games and the match is over.

Sam Sloan

Date: 15 Oct 2008 15:36:59
From: Offramp
Subject: Re: World Championship Match--Predictions?

On Oct 15, 6:08 pm, "Chess One" <[email protected] > wrote:
> Anand chose not to play 1.e4. He instead played 1.d4. Here is the game:
>
> GM Anand (2783) - GM Kramnik (2772) [E25]
> World Championship (2), 15.10.2008
>
> 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.f3 d5 5.a3 Bxc3+ 6.bxc3 c5 7.cxd5 Nxd5 8.dxc5
> f5 9.Qc2 Nd7 10.e4 fxe4 11.fxe4 N5f6 12.c6 bxc6 13.Nf3 Qa5 I would give
> White a very small plus here. 14. Bd2 Ba6 15. c4 Qc5 16. Bd3 Ng4 17. Bb4
> Qe3+ 18. Qe2 O-O-O 19. Qxe3 Nxe3 20. Kf2 Ng4+ 21. Kg3 Ndf6 22. Bb1 +=
> (22...h5 is the strongest continuation here for Black but it still gives
> White a small edge) 22...h5 (a possible line is 23. h3 h4+ 24. Nxh4 Ne5 25.
> Nf3 Nxc4 26. Rc1 +=) I am between airports right now. Therefore, the update
> may be delayed a bit. I should be back doing live commentary right here by
> game 4. 23.h3
> Chess news from Susan Polgar
>
> -------PI--------
>
> I think that Anand has the advantage in game 2, but Malcolm Pein
> thinks Kramnik (black) is better. Both White and Black have their
> kings trapped in the middle of the board and neither side will be able
> to castle easily. I think Kramnik is almost forced to trade queens now
> and will be stuck in an inferior position.
>
> Sam Sloan

I see Malcolm Pein quite a lot. His father was the inventor of the
ball pein hammer, the one that Sutcliffe used to murder those
prostitutes in Bradford.

Date: 15 Oct 2008 08:45:42
From: samsloan
Subject: Re: World Championship Match--Predictions?

On Oct 14, 12:00=A0pm, samsloan <[email protected] > wrote:
> On Oct 14, 11:36 am, billbrock <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Oct 14, 10:27 am, samsloan <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > On Oct 14, 11:06 am, billbrock <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > On Oct 14, 9:55 am, billbrock <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Oct 14, 2:00 am, Nomen Nescio <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > "Judge" Brian Lafferty <[email protected]> wrote in
> > > > > > rec.games.chess.politics
>
> > > > > > >I think Anand will win a close match. =A0Anand by 1/2 point.
>
> > > > > > You fucking dementia-riddled stupid braindead moron, how is it =
ever
> > > > > > possible
> > > > > > to win by 1/2 a point??
>
> > > > > > Were you really ever a judge, you retarded jackass? To call you=
Jackass,
> > > > > > as my friends did, is to insult the tribe of jackasses.
>
> > > > > > You can't write, you can't reason, you can't spell, you can't t=
hink, you
> > > > > > can't judge, you are a pompous ignorant windbag, what a shame y=
ou figured
> > > > > > how to reproduce (though I wonder about your claims to paternit=
y. Checked
> > > > > > the DNA?) You are a waste of carbon. Shit like you does not des=
erve to
> > > > > > live.
> > > > > > If you left the world yesterday everyone would be happier, your=
ugly bitch
> > > > > > included.
>
> > > > > > Win the match by 1/2 a point? HAHAHAHAHA =A0[snip]
>
> > > > > > JC
>
> > > > > Innumeracy is regrettable, but Mr. Lafferty, unlike Mr. Truong, s=
igns
> > > > > his name.
>
> > > > > If Mr. Truong is not the one posting, perhaps he would be kind en=
ough
> > > > > to stop by and post a simple denial.
>
> > > > By the way, Anand is in a bit of trouble...probably objectively dra=
wn,
> > > > but the position after 21.e4 is K's bread & butter.
>
> > > Really? How is Kramnik going to hold that extra pawn? What is his
> > > winning plan?
>
> > > I prefer Anand's position although I agree that the game appears to b=
e
> > > drawn.
>
> > > Sam Sloan
>
> > I agree that it's looking drawn now (after 23...Rc2), but any chances
> > are still Kramnik's.
>
> Where are you watching it?
>
> TWIC has the latest moves, but no diagram. (I am too stupid to figure
> it out without a diagram.)
>
> http://www.chesscenter.com/twic/twic.html
>
> On the other hand the official site has a nice diagram but is on 30
> minute time delay (for the current position you have to pay).
>
> http://87.230.38.148/apache2-default/toma/tfd_neu.htm
>
> Sam Sloan

I think that Anand has the advantage in game 2, but Malcolm Pein
thinks Kramnik (black) is better. Both White and Black have their
kings trapped in the middle of the board and neither side will be able
to castle easily. I think Kramnik is almost forced to trade queens now
and will be stuck in an inferior position.

Sam Sloan

Date: 15 Oct 2008 13:08:46
From: Chess One
Subject: Re: World Championship Match--Predictions?

Anand chose not to play 1.e4. He instead played 1.d4. Here is the game:

GM Anand (2783) - GM Kramnik (2772) [E25]
World Championship (2), 15.10.2008

1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.f3 d5 5.a3 Bxc3+ 6.bxc3 c5 7.cxd5 Nxd5 8.dxc5
f5 9.Qc2 Nd7 10.e4 fxe4 11.fxe4 N5f6 12.c6 bxc6 13.Nf3 Qa5 I would give
White a very small plus here. 14. Bd2 Ba6 15. c4 Qc5 16. Bd3 Ng4 17. Bb4
Qe3+ 18. Qe2 O-O-O 19. Qxe3 Nxe3 20. Kf2 Ng4+ 21. Kg3 Ndf6 22. Bb1 +=
(22...h5 is the strongest continuation here for Black but it still gives
White a small edge) 22...h5 (a possible line is 23. h3 h4+ 24. Nxh4 Ne5 25.
Nf3 Nxc4 26. Rc1 +=) I am between airports right now. Therefore, the update
may be delayed a bit. I should be back doing live commentary right here by
game 4. 23.h3
Chess news from Susan Polgar

-------PI--------

I think that Anand has the advantage in game 2, but Malcolm Pein
thinks Kramnik (black) is better. Both White and Black have their
kings trapped in the middle of the board and neither side will be able
to castle easily. I think Kramnik is almost forced to trade queens now
and will be stuck in an inferior position.

Sam Sloan

Date: 14 Oct 2008 13:39:37
From: William Hyde
Subject: Re: World Championship Match--Predictions?

On Oct 14, 11:27=A0am, samsloan <[email protected] > wrote:
> On Oct 14, 11:06 am, billbrock <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> > By the way, Anand is in a bit of trouble...probably objectively drawn,
> > but the position after 21.e4 is K's bread & butter.
>
> Really? How is Kramnik going to hold that extra pawn? What is his
> winning plan?
>
> I prefer Anand's position although I agree that the game appears to be
> drawn.

I don't believe either player left their opening preparation.

William Hyde

Date: 14 Oct 2008 09:00:44
From: samsloan
Subject: Re: World Championship Match--Predictions?

On Oct 14, 11:36 am, billbrock <[email protected] > wrote:
> On Oct 14, 10:27 am, samsloan <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Oct 14, 11:06 am, billbrock <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > On Oct 14, 9:55 am, billbrock <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > On Oct 14, 2:00 am, Nomen Nescio <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > "Judge" Brian Lafferty <[email protected]> wrote in
> > > > > rec.games.chess.politics
>
> > > > > >I think Anand will win a close match. Anand by 1/2 point.
>
> > > > > You fucking dementia-riddled stupid braindead moron, how is it ever
> > > > > possible
> > > > > to win by 1/2 a point??
>
> > > > > Were you really ever a judge, you retarded jackass? To call you Jackass,
> > > > > as my friends did, is to insult the tribe of jackasses.
>
> > > > > You can't write, you can't reason, you can't spell, you can't think, you
> > > > > can't judge, you are a pompous ignorant windbag, what a shame you figured
> > > > > how to reproduce (though I wonder about your claims to paternity. Checked
> > > > > the DNA?) You are a waste of carbon. Shit like you does not deserve to
> > > > > live.
> > > > > If you left the world yesterday everyone would be happier, your ugly bitch
> > > > > included.
>
> > > > > Win the match by 1/2 a point? HAHAHAHAHA [snip]
>
> > > > > JC
>
> > > > Innumeracy is regrettable, but Mr. Lafferty, unlike Mr. Truong, signs
> > > > his name.
>
> > > > If Mr. Truong is not the one posting, perhaps he would be kind enough
> > > > to stop by and post a simple denial.
>
> > > By the way, Anand is in a bit of trouble...probably objectively drawn,
> > > but the position after 21.e4 is K's bread & butter.
>
> > Really? How is Kramnik going to hold that extra pawn? What is his
> > winning plan?
>
> > I prefer Anand's position although I agree that the game appears to be
> > drawn.
>
> > Sam Sloan
>
> I agree that it's looking drawn now (after 23...Rc2), but any chances
> are still Kramnik's.

Where are you watching it?

TWIC has the latest moves, but no diagram. (I am too stupid to figure
it out without a diagram.)

http://www.chesscenter.com/twic/twic.html

On the other hand the official site has a nice diagram but is on 30
minute time delay (for the current position you have to pay).

http://87.230.38.148/apache2-default/toma/tfd_neu.htm

Sam Sloan

Date: 14 Oct 2008 08:34:18
From: samsloan
Subject: Re: World Championship Match--Predictions?

On Oct 14, 11:27=A0am, samsloan <[email protected] > wrote:
> On Oct 14, 11:06 am, billbrock <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Oct 14, 9:55 am, billbrock <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > On Oct 14, 2:00 am, Nomen Nescio <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > "Judge" Brian Lafferty <[email protected]> wrote in
> > > > rec.games.chess.politics
>
> > > > >I think Anand will win a close match. =A0Anand by 1/2 point.
>
> > > > You fucking dementia-riddled stupid braindead moron, how is it ever
> > > > possible
> > > > to win by 1/2 a point??
>
> > > > Were you really ever a judge, you retarded jackass? To call you Jac=
kass,
> > > > as my friends did, is to insult the tribe of jackasses.
>
> > > > You can't write, you can't reason, you can't spell, you can't think=
, you
> > > > can't judge, you are a pompous ignorant windbag, what a shame you f=
igured
> > > > how to reproduce (though I wonder about your claims to paternity. C=
hecked
> > > > the DNA?) You are a waste of carbon. Shit like you does not deserve=
to
> > > > live.
> > > > If you left the world yesterday everyone would be happier, your ugl=
y bitch
> > > > included.
>
> > > > Win the match by 1/2 a point? HAHAHAHAHA =A0[snip]
>
> > > > JC
>
> > > Innumeracy is regrettable, but Mr. Lafferty, unlike Mr. Truong, signs
> > > his name.
>
> > > If Mr. Truong is not the one posting, perhaps he would be kind enough
> > > to stop by and post a simple denial.
>
> > By the way, Anand is in a bit of trouble...probably objectively drawn,
> > but the position after 21.e4 is K's bread & butter.
>
> Really? How is Kramnik going to hold that extra pawn? What is his
> winning plan?
>
> I prefer Anand's position although I agree that the game appears to be
> drawn.
>
> Sam Sloan

Sorry. I just realized that you are three moves ahead of me.

I am watching on time delay.

Sam Sloan

Date: 14 Oct 2008 08:27:26
From: samsloan
Subject: Re: World Championship Match--Predictions?

On Oct 14, 11:06 am, billbrock <[email protected] > wrote:
> On Oct 14, 9:55 am, billbrock <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Oct 14, 2:00 am, Nomen Nescio <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > "Judge" Brian Lafferty <[email protected]> wrote in
> > > rec.games.chess.politics
>
> > > >I think Anand will win a close match. Anand by 1/2 point.
>
> > > You fucking dementia-riddled stupid braindead moron, how is it ever
> > > possible
> > > to win by 1/2 a point??
>
> > > Were you really ever a judge, you retarded jackass? To call you Jackass,
> > > as my friends did, is to insult the tribe of jackasses.
>
> > > You can't write, you can't reason, you can't spell, you can't think, you
> > > can't judge, you are a pompous ignorant windbag, what a shame you figured
> > > how to reproduce (though I wonder about your claims to paternity. Checked
> > > the DNA?) You are a waste of carbon. Shit like you does not deserve to
> > > live.
> > > If you left the world yesterday everyone would be happier, your ugly bitch
> > > included.
>
> > > Win the match by 1/2 a point? HAHAHAHAHA [snip]
>
> > > JC
>
> > Innumeracy is regrettable, but Mr. Lafferty, unlike Mr. Truong, signs
> > his name.
>
> > If Mr. Truong is not the one posting, perhaps he would be kind enough
> > to stop by and post a simple denial.
>
> By the way, Anand is in a bit of trouble...probably objectively drawn,
> but the position after 21.e4 is K's bread & butter.

Really? How is Kramnik going to hold that extra pawn? What is his
winning plan?

I prefer Anand's position although I agree that the game appears to be
drawn.

Sam Sloan

Date: 13 Oct 2008 21:39:29
From: Brian Lafferty
Subject: Re: World Championship Match--Predictions?

samsloan wrote:
> Will they play in a glass cage?
>
> I believe that it is necessary and appropriate?
>
> Sam Sloan
Both were interviewed in Bonn. Chessbase has a nice article on it.
They are both happy and well adjusted--imagine that. The only thing
Vlad is annoyed with is how well Anand is playing this year.

Date: 13 Oct 2008 14:24:25
From: Offramp
Subject: Re: World Championship Match--Predictions?

On Oct 13, 10:16 pm, samsloan <[email protected] > wrote:

> Will they play in a glass cage?
> I believe that it is necessary and appropriate?

Only one of them needs to.

Date: 13 Oct 2008 11:10:39
From: Offramp
Subject: Re: World Championship Match--Predictions?

On Oct 13, 3:54=A0pm, Brian Lafferty <[email protected] > wrote:
> I think Anand will win a close match. =A0Anand by 1/2 point.

How do you win by half-a-point?
I think Kramnik will win game one and one other game. Anand will win
game 7 and one other game. Match tied after normal time, Anand wins in
the tie-breaks.

Date: 13 Oct 2008 12:01:49
From: billbrock
Subject: Re: World Championship Match--Predictions?

On Oct 13, 1:29=A0pm, Brian Lafferty <[email protected] > wrote:
> Offramp wrote:
> > On Oct 13, 3:54 pm, Brian Lafferty <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> I think Anand will win a close match. =A0Anand by 1/2 point.
>
> > How do you win by half-a-point?
> > I think Kramnik will win game one and one other game. Anand will win
> > game 7 and one other game. Match tied after normal time, Anand wins in
> > the tie-breaks.
>
> Good point. =A0I forgot that the number of games is limited. =A0Wrong
> decade. =A0I'll revise that to Anand by 1 game.

And were the number of games unlimited, it would be then be possible
to win by 1/2? Sometimes the sum of an infinite series is
counterintuitive....

Date: 13 Oct 2008 18:29:05
From: Brian Lafferty
Subject: Re: World Championship Match--Predictions?

Offramp wrote:
> On Oct 13, 3:54 pm, Brian Lafferty <[email protected]> wrote:
>> I think Anand will win a close match. Anand by 1/2 point.
>
> How do you win by half-a-point?
> I think Kramnik will win game one and one other game. Anand will win
> game 7 and one other game. Match tied after normal time, Anand wins in
> the tie-breaks.
Good point. I forgot that the number of games is limited. Wrong
decade. I'll revise that to Anand by 1 game.

Date: 13 Oct 2008 08:11:47
From: The Historian
Subject: Re: World Championship Match--Predictions?

On Oct 13, 9:54=A0am, Brian Lafferty <[email protected] > wrote:
> I think Anand will win a close match. =A0Anand by 1/2 point.

I predict that whoever wins, Susan Polgar will declare herself
Champion.

Date: 13 Oct 2008 09:57:00
From: The Historian
Subject: Re: World Championship Match--Predictions?

On Oct 13, 11:42=A0am, none <[email protected] > wrote:
> On Oct 13, 11:11=A0am, The Historian <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> > On Oct 13, 9:54=A0am, Brian Lafferty <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > I think Anand will win a close match. =A0Anand by 1/2 point.
>
> > I predict that whoever wins, Susan Polgar will declare herself
> > Champion.
>
> And Phil Innes will become almost an International Master

"...with a rating of 2450", as well.

Date: 13 Oct 2008 09:42:41
From: none
Subject: Re: World Championship Match--Predictions?

On Oct 13, 11:11=A0am, The Historian <[email protected] >
wrote:
> On Oct 13, 9:54=A0am, Brian Lafferty <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > I think Anand will win a close match. =A0Anand by 1/2 point.
>
> I predict that whoever wins, Susan Polgar will declare herself
> Champion.

And Phil Innes will become almost an International Master

Date: 13 Oct 2008 08:56:30
From: SAT W-7
Subject: Re: World Championship Match--Predictions?

How many games will they play ?
Do they get 2 I/2 hours for 40 moves ?
How many bathroom breaks per game ?

I am looking forward to an exciting match , i am pulling for Ananad too
.

They are playing in Germany ?

One game a day and after 2 games a day off ?

Anands first title defence , will he be nervous ?
Karmnick , a ex-champion wants that glory back ......+ Kar did not
lose his title in a one on one match , he lost it in a tournrment
..That would piss me off.....

Should be good ..

One mistake at this level of play can cost you the game ....