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Date: 03 Aug 2008 20:41:11
From: samsloan
Subject: "Woman's Chess Cup" not "Woman's World Chess Cup Champion"
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Publicity by Susan Polgar has always said that she was the "2006
Women=92s World Chess Cup Champion".
See for example:
http://www.depts.ttu.edu/spice/Susan_Polgar.php
However, all of the publicity for that event calls it only the
"Woman's Chess Cup". Neither the words "world" nor "champion" appear.
In fact, the real "Woman's World Cup Championship" was won by
Grandmaster Xu Yu Hua of China. Susan Polgar did not play in that
event.
Here is the email telling Susan that she had been invited. It is in
BINFO 200803100. You will see that it is not called any sort of World
Championship. It was just an exhibition event held in connection with
the World Cup of Football. Each team in the World Cup of Football got
to be represented by one woman chess player. However, the best women
chess players in the world are in China and the Republic of Georgia.
Since neither China nor the Republic of Georgia had qualified for the
World Cup of Football, Susan got to play in what was basically a
patzer tournament since few of the top women players were there. This
is just another example of Susan Polgar claiming to have achieved
something that she has not actually achieved.
From: Jerry Nash [mailto:jnash@xxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 12:18 PM
To: Susan Polgar
Cc: Jerry Nash; bhall@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Checking to see if you received this invitation
Susan,
We received this letter from Germany which lists you as an invited
player to their Women's Chess Cup in Dresden, Germany in July of this
year. I just wanted to make sure you had seen this in case you
planned to go.
Hope things are going well for you these days.
Jerry Nash
Scholastic and FIDE Director
U.S. Chess Federation
PO Box 3967
Crossville, TN 38557-3967
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Date: 07 Aug 2008 23:49:10
From: thumbody
Subject: Re: "Woman's Chess Cup" not "Woman's World Chess Cup Champion"
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help bot wrote:
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> It smacks of
> desperation on their part. (Take some
> friendly advice: pick the low-hanging
> fruit first. Then rest and digest.)
OOh yes mr bot & how is missus rybka bot 'n the littl'ns? Thumbody
pentup bot (I'm the godfather see) & Innestasious throggy bot little
darlings & twins I see, God bless 'em..
But I see you're also concerned to advise us about the strawberries &
truffles that lie close to the forest floor rampaging pigs clean 'em up
quick as a boar's tusk & I also note there's nary a skerrick of evidence
to suggest that Indiana man knows the diff. 'tween 1. h3 or kf3 -
'course I might be wrong here but who gives a falootin stuff?..
Ah yes! it's a wonderful life here in the canaries, lying back in my
banana-chair, contemplating the nubiles pushing out the limits of their
o' so tiny bikinis & being handed cool drink after drink by
silver-backed gorillas who seem to come out of the forest from
nowhere?!..
I'm digressing. Seems to me cornboys from the good ol' USA need to
exercise a bit of caution when taking on European heaviweights like
Einstein, Lasker, & Reti & any other non-american dude they think they
pwnd & most importantly think they know..
t.
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Date: 06 Aug 2008 17:07:20
From: help bot
Subject: Re: "Woman's Chess Cup" not "Woman's World Chess Cup Champion"
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On Aug 6, 5:32=A0am, samsloan <[email protected] > wrote:
> The term "Dari" can mean Old Persian, but in Afghanistan it means the
> modern language spoken there.
>
> Wikipedia says, "it is the term insisted on by Afghan authorities for
> the Persian used in Afghanistan".
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dari_Persian
>
> I learned my Dari in the best place with the best teachers, because I
> learned my Dari in jail in Afghanistan.
>
> That is the reason I can speak two languages that few other native
> Americans can speak, Dari and Pashtu.
Mr. Sloan reminds me of the famous
world-traveler Marco Polo. There are
a few, minor differences... such as MP
having spent time in places other than
jails and brothels, for instance. And of
course, MP lived a few centuries earlier,
but both were world travelers who
expanded the horizons of human
knowledge... or something like that.
Unlike some "hostile" critics, I viewed
the video of Mr. Sloan making his
speech in front of the Libertarian Party,
and it seemed to me that he was
severely rushed-- as if he were in time
trouble, from start to finish. In my view,
chances are Mr. Sloan crammed what
he wanted to say and in the process,
may have inadvertently left out a few
details, such as his Chinese Chess
title not being the real or overall
championship. I see no reason to
assume foul play here. There are so
very many /real/ problems with Mr.
Sloan's activities that it seems just
plain silly to latch onto this kind of
thing, and blow it up the way the
hostiles often do. It smacks of
desperation on their part. (Take some
friendly advice: pick the low-hanging
fruit first. Then rest and digest.)
-- help bot
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Date: 06 Aug 2008 02:32:37
From: samsloan
Subject: Re: "Woman's Chess Cup" not "Woman's World Chess Cup Champion"
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On Aug 4, 5:00 pm, samsloan <[email protected] > wrote:
> On Aug 4, 5:55 pm, J=FCrgen R. <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > samsloan wrote:
> > > On Aug 4, 2:55 pm, J=FCrgen R. <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >> samsloan wrote:
> > >>> On Aug 4, 6:50 am, J=FCrgen R. <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >>>> Brian Lafferty wrote:
> > >>>>> J=FCrgen R. wrote:
> > >>>>>>> This
> > >>>>>>> is just another example of Susan Polgar claiming to have
> > >>>>>>> achieved something that she has not actually achieved.
>
> > >>>>>> Rather like Sloan claiming to be World Champion of Chinese Chess=
.
>
> > >>>>> I don't think that's what Sam claimed.
>
> > >>>> Yes he did, here is the link:
>
> > >>>>http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=3DqAON2vgw1kc
>
> > >>>> about 1 min. from the start.
>
> > >>> What J=FCrgen R. is referring to is during my brief speech to the
> > >>> members of the New York State Libertarian Party, I said at one poin=
t
> > >>> that I had been the World Champion of Chinese Chess, whereas in
> > >>> reality I was the World Champion of Chinese Chess for Non-Chinese (=
a
> > >>> much lesser title). I have always made this distinction clear but i=
n
> > >>> this case I did not bother since I was talking to a
> > >>> non-chess-playing group.
>
> > >> So, presumably, you were hoping that they didn't know that you
> > >> are a pathological liar. Do you think they believed that you can
> > >> speak 15 differentlanguages? If so, Libertarians are even dumber
> > >> than
> > >> they appear.
>
> > > I bet I can speak Khowar, Pashtu,Dariand Farsi a lot better that you
> > > can.
>
> > You seem to have no inhibitions at all. So you speak Dari, do you?
>
> > These days anybody, given a minute, can look up whatDariis and
> > enjoy a good laugh at your brazen stupidity.
>
> > You list 4 languagesthat you claim to speak - that's a lot less than
> > the 15 or 17 you claimed at other times - and one of these is not a
> > spoken language at all...
>
> OK. I give up. Which one is not a spoken language?
>
> I can easily produce native speakers of all of those languages.
>
> Haji Ismail Sloan
I believe that J=FCrgen R. must be referring to Dari when he writes "one
of these is not a spoken language at all".
The term "Dari" can mean Old Persian, but in Afghanistan it means the
modern language spoken there.
Wikipedia says, "it is the term insisted on by Afghan authorities for
the Persian used in Afghanistan".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dari_Persian
I learned my Dari in the best place with the best teachers, because I
learned my Dari in jail in Afghanistan.
That is the reason I can speak two languages that few other native
Americans can speak, Dari and Pashtu.
http://www.anusha.com/espape.htm
Sam Sloan
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Date: 06 Aug 2008 05:44:45
From: thumbody
Subject: Re: "Woman's Chess Cup" not "Woman's World Chess Cup Champion"
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samsloan wrote:
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> > You list 4 languages that you claim to speak - that's a lot less than
> > the 15 or 17 you claimed at other times - and one of these is not a
> > spoken language at all...
>
> OK. I give up. Which one is not a spoken language?
>
> I can easily produce native speakers of all of those languages.
I'd prefer it if you could just produce some houris..
t.
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Date: 06 Aug 2008 05:30:01
From: thumbody
Subject: Re: "Woman's Chess Cup" not "Woman's World Chess Cup Champion"
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samsloan wrote:
> > So, presumably, you were hoping that they didn't know that you
> > are a pathological liar. Do you think they believed that you can speak
> > 15 different languages? If so, Libertarians are even dumber than
> > they appear.
>
> I bet I can speak Khowar, Pashtu, Dari and Farsi a lot better that you
> can.
I'm quite good @ sign & dollar-speak. I've even got a bit of Leedsian
too..
t.
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Date: 04 Aug 2008 15:00:28
From: samsloan
Subject: Re: "Woman's Chess Cup" not "Woman's World Chess Cup Champion"
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On Aug 4, 5:55 pm, J=FCrgen R. <[email protected] > wrote:
> samsloan wrote:
> > On Aug 4, 2:55 pm, J=FCrgen R. <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> samsloan wrote:
> >>> On Aug 4, 6:50 am, J=FCrgen R. <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>> Brian Lafferty wrote:
> >>>>> J=FCrgen R. wrote:
> >>>>>>> This
> >>>>>>> is just another example of Susan Polgar claiming to have
> >>>>>>> achieved something that she has not actually achieved.
>
> >>>>>> Rather like Sloan claiming to be World Champion of Chinese Chess.
>
> >>>>> I don't think that's what Sam claimed.
>
> >>>> Yes he did, here is the link:
>
> >>>>http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=3DqAON2vgw1kc
>
> >>>> about 1 min. from the start.
>
> >>> What J=FCrgen R. is referring to is during my brief speech to the
> >>> members of the New York State Libertarian Party, I said at one point
> >>> that I had been the World Champion of Chinese Chess, whereas in
> >>> reality I was the World Champion of Chinese Chess for Non-Chinese (a
> >>> much lesser title). I have always made this distinction clear but in
> >>> this case I did not bother since I was talking to a
> >>> non-chess-playing group.
>
> >> So, presumably, you were hoping that they didn't know that you
> >> are a pathological liar. Do you think they believed that you can
> >> speak 15 different languages? If so, Libertarians are even dumber
> >> than
> >> they appear.
>
> > I bet I can speak Khowar, Pashtu, Dari and Farsi a lot better that you
> > can.
>
> You seem to have no inhibitions at all. So you speak Dari, do you?
>
> These days anybody, given a minute, can look up what Dari is and
> enjoy a good laugh at your brazen stupidity.
>
> You list 4 languages that you claim to speak - that's a lot less than
> the 15 or 17 you claimed at other times - and one of these is not a
> spoken language at all...
OK. I give up. Which one is not a spoken language?
I can easily produce native speakers of all of those languages.
Haji Ismail Sloan
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Date: 04 Aug 2008 12:10:47
From: samsloan
Subject: Re: "Woman's Chess Cup" not "Woman's World Chess Cup Champion"
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On Aug 4, 2:55 pm, J=FCrgen R. <[email protected] > wrote:
> samsloan wrote:
> > On Aug 4, 6:50 am, J=FCrgen R. <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> Brian Lafferty wrote:
> >>> J=FCrgen R. wrote:
> >>>>> This
> >>>>> is just another example of Susan Polgar claiming to have achieved
> >>>>> something that she has not actually achieved.
>
> >>>> Rather like Sloan claiming to be World Champion of Chinese Chess.
>
> >>> I don't think that's what Sam claimed.
>
> >> Yes he did, here is the link:
>
> >>http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=3DqAON2vgw1kc
>
> >> about 1 min. from the start.
>
> > What J=FCrgen R. is referring to is during my brief speech to the
> > members of the New York State Libertarian Party, I said at one point
> > that I had been the World Champion of Chinese Chess, whereas in
> > reality I was the World Champion of Chinese Chess for Non-Chinese (a
> > much lesser title). I have always made this distinction clear but in
> > this case I did not bother since I was talking to a non-chess-playing
> > group.
>
> So, presumably, you were hoping that they didn't know that you
> are a pathological liar. Do you think they believed that you can speak
> 15 different languages? If so, Libertarians are even dumber than
> they appear.
I bet I can speak Khowar, Pashtu, Dari and Farsi a lot better that you
can.
You might have the edge on me in German and Russian however.
Sam Sloan
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Date: 04 Aug 2008 23:55:36
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=FCrgen_R.?=
Subject: AW: "Woman's Chess Cup" not "Woman's World Chess Cup Champion"
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samsloan wrote:
> On Aug 4, 2:55 pm, J�rgen R. <[email protected]> wrote:
>> samsloan wrote:
>>> On Aug 4, 6:50 am, J�rgen R. <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> Brian Lafferty wrote:
>>>>> J�rgen R. wrote:
>>>>>>> This
>>>>>>> is just another example of Susan Polgar claiming to have
>>>>>>> achieved something that she has not actually achieved.
>>
>>>>>> Rather like Sloan claiming to be World Champion of Chinese Chess.
>>
>>>>> I don't think that's what Sam claimed.
>>
>>>> Yes he did, here is the link:
>>
>>>> http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=qAON2vgw1kc
>>
>>>> about 1 min. from the start.
>>
>>> What J�rgen R. is referring to is during my brief speech to the
>>> members of the New York State Libertarian Party, I said at one point
>>> that I had been the World Champion of Chinese Chess, whereas in
>>> reality I was the World Champion of Chinese Chess for Non-Chinese (a
>>> much lesser title). I have always made this distinction clear but in
>>> this case I did not bother since I was talking to a
>>> non-chess-playing group.
>>
>> So, presumably, you were hoping that they didn't know that you
>> are a pathological liar. Do you think they believed that you can
>> speak 15 different languages? If so, Libertarians are even dumber
>> than
>> they appear.
>
>
> I bet I can speak Khowar, Pashtu, Dari and Farsi a lot better that you
> can.
You seem to have no inhibitions at all. So you speak Dari, do you?
These days anybody, given a minute, can look up what Dari is and
enjoy a good laugh at your brazen stupidity.
You list 4 languages that you claim to speak - that's a lot less than
the 15 or 17 you claimed at other times - and one of these is not a
spoken language at all...
>
> You might have the edge on me in German and Russian however.
>
> Sam Sloan
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Date: 04 Aug 2008 05:41:27
From: samsloan
Subject: Re: "Woman's Chess Cup" not "Woman's World Chess Cup Champion"
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On Aug 4, 6:50 am, J=FCrgen R. <[email protected] > wrote:
> Brian Lafferty wrote:
> > J=FCrgen R. wrote:
> >>> This
> >>> is just another example of Susan Polgar claiming to have achieved
> >>> something that she has not actually achieved.
>
> >> Rather like Sloan claiming to be World Champion of Chinese Chess.
>
> > I don't think that's what Sam claimed.
>
> Yes he did, here is the link:
>
> http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=3DqAON2vgw1kc
>
> about 1 min. from the start.
What J=FCrgen R. is referring to is during my brief speech to the
members of the New York State Libertarian Party, I said at one point
that I had been the World Champion of Chinese Chess, whereas in
reality I was the World Champion of Chinese Chess for Non-Chinese (a
much lesser title). I have always made this distinction clear but in
this case I did not bother since I was talking to a non-chess-playing
group.
Sam Sloan
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Date: 04 Aug 2008 20:55:59
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=FCrgen_R.?=
Subject: AW: "Woman's Chess Cup" not "Woman's World Chess Cup Champion"
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samsloan wrote:
> On Aug 4, 6:50 am, J�rgen R. <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Brian Lafferty wrote:
>>> J�rgen R. wrote:
>>>>> This
>>>>> is just another example of Susan Polgar claiming to have achieved
>>>>> something that she has not actually achieved.
>>
>>>> Rather like Sloan claiming to be World Champion of Chinese Chess.
>>
>>> I don't think that's what Sam claimed.
>>
>> Yes he did, here is the link:
>>
>> http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=qAON2vgw1kc
>>
>> about 1 min. from the start.
>
> What J�rgen R. is referring to is during my brief speech to the
> members of the New York State Libertarian Party, I said at one point
> that I had been the World Champion of Chinese Chess, whereas in
> reality I was the World Champion of Chinese Chess for Non-Chinese (a
> much lesser title). I have always made this distinction clear but in
> this case I did not bother since I was talking to a non-chess-playing
> group.
So, presumably, you were hoping that they didn't know that you
are a pathological liar. Do you think they believed that you can speak
15 different languages? If so, Libertarians are even dumber than
they appear.
>
> Sam Sloan
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Date: 04 Aug 2008 03:58:08
From: samsloan
Subject: Re: "Woman's Chess Cup" not "Woman's World Chess Cup Champion"
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On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 12:35 AM, <[email protected] > wrote:
A: That is what the cup says in addition to Dresden 2006
B: Here are some of the players in that event:
Cramling, Pia (SWE) gm 2544 (#1 in Sweden)
(Highest world ranking - tied for #1 - Currently #6 - Highest rating
2544)
Sebag, Marie (FRA) gm 2529 (#1 in France)
(Highest world ranking - #6 - Currently #6 - Highest rating 2529)
Ushenina, Anna (UKR) im 2476 (Former #1 in Ukraine, currently #2)
(Highest world ranking - #8 - Currently #22 - Highest rating 2502)
Paehtz, Elisabeth (GER) im 2481 (#1 in Germany)
(Highest world ranking - #21 - Currently #21 - Highest rating 2481)
Socko, Monika (POL) im 2473 (#1 in Poland)
(Highest world ranking - #9 - Currently 23 - Highest rating 2505)
Hunt, Harriet V (ENG) im 2462 (#1 in England)
(Highest world ranking - #29 - Currently 29 - Highest rating 2462)
Maric, Alisa (SRB) im 2412 (#1 in Serbia and at one time Yugoslavia)
(Highest world ranking - Top 20 - Highest rating 2468)
Kachiani-Gersinska, Ketino (GER) im (Former #1 in Germany, currently
#3)
(Highest world ranking - Top 20 - Highest rating 2465)
"...basically a patzer tournament..."
So much for a patzer tournament. The top 5 on this list are all higher
rated than any other current US Women's Player. Any of them would
easily make the US Women's Olympiad Team and all of them are far
stronger than you.
Where does it say World Championship? It says Women's World Chess Cup
Champion. It is useless to explain to you the obvious.
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Take a close look at Truong's list above. In almost every case, Truong
says =93Highest rating=94 or =93Highest world ranking=94. Truong is cherry
picking the best ever ranking by each of these woman. In most cases,
both their current ranking and their ranking at the time of the event
was much lower. The one exception is Marie Sebag, who improved and now
is number 6 in the world but she was much lower at the time of the
event.
Also, Polgar only had to play one of the players on Truong's list.
That was Elisabeth Paehtz, whom Polgar faced in the last play-off
round. The others were all eliminated in the early rounds. Somehow,
Polgar's pairing always avoided the top players. One suspects that
Truong had something to do with these amazing coincidences.
Now compare the lineup there with the just concluded 2008 North Urals
Cup. The 2008 North Urals Cup was vastly stronger (those women are
stronger up there in the North Urals), but they do not go around
calling themselves world champions.
http://www.northuralscup.ru/2008/tournamenteng.shtml
Now, take a look at the actual cup that Polgar won, which is on her
own site. It shows a soccer ball, not a chess piece:
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/1741/1141/400/Closing%20Ceremony.jpg
http://womenchesscup.blogspot.com/
Truong says that the cup itself says Woman's World Cup Champion.
Truong always has lots of pictures. Why has he never shown a picture
where we can read what the actual cup says?
In any case, that event was sponsored by FIFA, the World Football
Federation. However, the USCF is a member of FIDE, the World Chess
Federation. Perhaps Mr. Truong has heard of it.
Here are the results of the actual FIDE 2006 Woman's World Cup
Championship. Note that neither Polgar nor any of the opponents Polgar
faced in Dresden were any where near the top:
http://www.chesscenter.com/twic/twic594.html#4
Now compare Mr. Truong's list above with the official FIDE List of Top
Women players in the world in July 2006, the time of the event in
Dresden that Polgar won. Please note that only one of the women on
Truong's list above was rated even in the top 20 women in the world.
That one exception was Pia Cramling, which is the reason why I wrote
that =93Few=94 of the top women played, instead of writing that None of
the top women played:
Since the USCF is a member of FIDE, and not a member of FIFA, why did
not a picture of the actual 2006 Woman's World Cup Champion appear on
the cover of Chess Life. (Grandmaster Xu Yu Hua of China is more
beautiful anyway.)
Sam Sloan
FIDE Top 50 Women July 2006 - Archive
http://ratings.fide.com/toparc.phtml?cod=3D98
Rank Name Title Country Rating Games B-Day
1 Polgar, Judit g HUN 2710 1 1976-07-23
2 Koneru, Humpy g IND 2545 32 1987-03-31
3 Kosteniuk, Alexandra g RUS 2534 10 1984-04-23
4 Cramling, Pia g SWE 2521 20 1963-04-23
5 Stefanova, Antoaneta g BUL 2520 34 1979-04-19
6 Xu, Yuhua wg CHN 2517 0 1976-10-29
7 Chiburdanidze, Maia g GEO 2504 0 1961-01-17
8 Hou, Yifan wf CHN 2488 41 1994-02-27
9 Kosintseva, Tatiana m RUS 2479 34 1986-04-11
10 Zhu, Chen g QAT 2476 13 1976-03-16
11 Cmilyte, Viktorija m LTU 2473 26 1983-08-06
12 Kosintseva, Nadezhda m RUS 2472 32 1985-01-14
13 Hoang Thanh Trang m HUN 2470 35 1980-04-25
14 Galliamova, Alisa m RUS 2470 0 1972-01-18
15 Dembo, Yelena m GRE 2465 26 1983-12-08
16 Qin, Kanying wg CHN 2465 0 1974-02-02
17 Socko, Monika m POL 2464 5 1978-03-24
18 Kovalevskaya, Ekaterina m RUS 2463 16 1974-04-17
19 Shen, Yang CHN 2459 37 1989-01-23
20 Mkrtchian, Lilit m ARM 2459 32 1982-08-09
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Date: 04 Aug 2008 07:48:18
From: =?Windows-1252?Q?J=FCrgen_R.?=
Subject: AW: "Woman's Chess Cup" not "Woman's World Chess Cup Champion"
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> This
> is just another example of Susan Polgar claiming to have achieved
> something that she has not actually achieved.
Rather like Sloan claiming to be World Champion of Chinese Chess.
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Date: 04 Aug 2008 10:20:12
From: Brian Lafferty
Subject: Re: AW: "Woman's Chess Cup" not "Woman's World Chess Cup Champion"
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J�rgen R. wrote:
>> This
>> is just another example of Susan Polgar claiming to have achieved
>> something that she has not actually achieved.
>
> Rather like Sloan claiming to be World Champion of Chinese Chess.
>
>
I don't think that's what Sam claimed.
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Date: 04 Aug 2008 13:50:42
From: =?Windows-1252?Q?J=FCrgen_R.?=
Subject: AW: AW: "Woman's Chess Cup" not "Woman's World Chess Cup Champion"
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Brian Lafferty wrote:
> J�rgen R. wrote:
>>> This
>>> is just another example of Susan Polgar claiming to have achieved
>>> something that she has not actually achieved.
>>
>> Rather like Sloan claiming to be World Champion of Chinese Chess.
>>
>>
> I don't think that's what Sam claimed.
Yes he did, here is the link:
http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=qAON2vgw1kc
about 1 min. from the start.
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