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Date: 09 Feb 2009 19:29:29
From: Fritz Wuehler
Subject: Vidmar, I mean Lafferty caught posting "anonymously" again
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Two post-messages to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc.
One from Lafferty, the candidate for the USCF EB, the other from Milan
Vidmar (resurrection edition).
But -- our forensic team proved both came from the same PC.
To make things clearer only the relevant headers are displayed.
[message 1]
From: "B. Lafferty " <[email protected] >
User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc
Subject: Is BocaJunior Learning Disabled?
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2009 18:05:11 GMT
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Path: g1news2.google.com!news1.google.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!
border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!
spamkiller.gnilink.net!gnilink.net!nwrddc01.gnilink.net.POSTED!302ce388!
not-for-mail
( snip of Lafferty election rhetoric )
[message 2]
From: "Mr.Vidmar" <[email protected] >
User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc
Subject: Where Will Polgar Be?
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 16:26:10 -0500
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Path: g1news2.google.com!news2.google.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!
nntp.giganews.com!local02.nntp.dca.giganews.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!
not-for-mail
( snip of stalking of and threats to GM S.Polgar and family)
The only conclusion can be that Brian Lafferty is as unelectable as his
buddy Sam Sloan.
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Date: 09 Feb 2009 18:38:38
From: Mr.Vidmar
Subject: Re: Vidmar, I mean Lafferty caught posting "anonymously" again
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Fritz Wuehler wrote:
> Two post-messages to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc.
>
> One from Lafferty, the candidate for the USCF EB, the other from Milan
> Vidmar (resurrection edition).
>
> But -- our forensic team proved both came from the same PC.
>
> To make things clearer only the relevant headers are displayed.
>
> [message 1]
>
> From: "B. Lafferty " <[email protected]>
> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209)
> Newsgroups: rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc
> Subject: Is BocaJunior Learning Disabled?
> Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2009 18:05:11 GMT
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> Path: g1news2.google.com!news1.google.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!
> border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!
> spamkiller.gnilink.net!gnilink.net!nwrddc01.gnilink.net.POSTED!302ce388!
> not-for-mail
>
> ( snip of Lafferty election rhetoric )
>
> [message 2]
>
> From: "Mr.Vidmar" <[email protected]>
> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209)
> Newsgroups: rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc
> Subject: Where Will Polgar Be?
> Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 16:26:10 -0500
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> Path: g1news2.google.com!news2.google.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!
> nntp.giganews.com!local02.nntp.dca.giganews.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!
> not-for-mail
>
> ( snip of stalking of and threats to GM S.Polgar and family)
Oh Please, put the "threats" back in. I must have missed them. LOL!
>
> The only conclusion can be that Brian Lafferty is as unelectable as his
> buddy Sam Sloan.
>
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Date: 09 Feb 2009 12:33:05
From:
Subject: Re: Vidmar, I mean Lafferty caught posting "anonymously" again
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I fail to seen any evidence within these headers to either
prove or disporve that they both originated from the same PC.
Not matching IP Adresses or MAC Adresses and even the
routing is different. They do share the nowhere.com domain
(presumably fictitious) but that is all.
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Date: 10 Feb 2009 10:27:07
From: None
Subject: Re: Vidmar, I mean Lafferty caught posting "anonymously" again
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On Feb 10, 12:13=A0pm, Mike Murray <[email protected] > wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Feb 2009 06:10:11 +0100 (CET), Nomen Nescio
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >Three minutes before you posted, the accused, Brian Lafferty,
> >confessed.
> >Tellingly, Lafferty admitted to using remailers. "{When) I
> >wanted to conceal my identity, I'd use an anon remailer".
>
> What he actually wrote was "If I wanted..."
There are three great sins you can commit when posting to newsgroups.
Committing any of these sins automatically means that what you wrote
is to be disregarded. The first is to cite Hitler or Nazi Germany. The
second is to post under a Nom de Plume. The third is to misspell a
word or use poor grammar. In this newsgroup there is fourth. That is,
to believe anything Sam Sloan puts forth.
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Date: 10 Feb 2009 06:10:11
From: Nomen Nescio
Subject: Re: Vidmar, I mean Lafferty caught posting "anonymously" again
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[email protected] wrote:
> I fail to seen any evidence within these headers to either
> prove or disporve that they both originated from the same PC.
> Not matching IP Adresses or MAC Adresses and even the
> routing is different. They do share the nowhere.com domain
> (presumably fictitious) but that is all.
You are wrong. The mailing program (Thunderbird 2.0.0.19
Windows/20081209) is identical, and the giganews tracker e.g.
"IRqRE7N0FX0kiMWamcx0nAOcW25pR9sz5GAEOUfAFbNe9DegsOfXCZPnAyj/
ME8hy8vMYd6apgkZmow!gIZvcqmV9fEiiQz4FJCSBC9QNWYy4kMInFDvSL4z+
BhWtHVKASmOsCYsNgiPtFgM98BrBUb5K9q+", using the giganews
backdoor @ bit.torrent/81b2-4fe7-bd55-390e529b61x, resolved
the left 3 octets of the IP as 173.48.186. Same as Lafferty's.
Three minutes before you posted, the accused, Brian Lafferty,
confessed.
Tellingly, Lafferty admitted to using remailers. "{When) I
wanted to conceal my identity, I'd use an anon remailer".
Discovery will be interesting. [email protected]
(posting in support of Lafferty), [email protected] (Lafferty
forgot that he admitted to using this one), see the name
similarity? Where Bogner ends and Lafferty begins, all
will come out in the next phase.
Sweat. : >)
[ quote ]
Subject: Re: Vidmar, I mean Lafferty caught posting "anonymously" again
From: "Mr.Vidmar" <[email protected] >
Received: Monday, February 09, 2009 3:31 PM
Message-ID: <[email protected] >
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc,alt.chess
Fritz Wuehler wrote:
> Two post-messages to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc.
>
> One from Lafferty, the candidate for the USCF EB, the other from Milan
> Vidmar (resurrection edition).
>
> But -- our forensic team proved both came from the same PC.
>
> To make things clearer only the relevant headers are displayed.
>
> [message 1]
>
> From: "B. Lafferty " <[email protected]>
> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209)
> Newsgroups: rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc
> Subject: Is BocaJunior Learning Disabled?
> Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2009 18:05:11 GMT
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> Path: g1news2.google.com!news1.google.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!
> border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!
> spamkiller.gnilink.net!gnilink.net!nwrddc01.gnilink.net.POSTED!302ce388!
> not-for-mail
>
> ( snip of Lafferty election rhetoric )
>
> [message 2]
>
> From: "Mr.Vidmar" <[email protected]>
> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209)
> Newsgroups: rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc
> Subject: Where Will Polgar Be?
> Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 16:26:10 -0500
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> Path: g1news2.google.com!news2.google.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!
> nntp.giganews.com!local02.nntp.dca.giganews.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!
> not-for-mail
>
> ( snip of stalking of and threats to GM S.Polgar and family)
>
> The only conclusion can be that Brian Lafferty is as unelectable as his
> buddy Sam Sloan.
>
ROTFLMAO!!!!! What a putz you are. I opened an account with giganews
because Verizon's newserver has become very spotty. Vidmar is a nom de
plume and a playing handle I use on some internet servers like FICS. If
I wanted to conceal my identity, I'd use an anon remailer like Truong
does.
[ /quote ]
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Date: 10 Feb 2009 14:26:15
From: Mr.Vidmar
Subject: Re: Vidmar, I mean Lafferty caught posting "anonymously" again
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Nomen Nescio wrote:
> [email protected] wrote:
>> I fail to seen any evidence within these headers to either
>> prove or disporve that they both originated from the same PC.
>> Not matching IP Adresses or MAC Adresses and even the
>> routing is different. They do share the nowhere.com domain
>> (presumably fictitious) but that is all.
>
> You are wrong. The mailing program (Thunderbird 2.0.0.19
> Windows/20081209) is identical, and the giganews tracker e.g.
> "IRqRE7N0FX0kiMWamcx0nAOcW25pR9sz5GAEOUfAFbNe9DegsOfXCZPnAyj/
> ME8hy8vMYd6apgkZmow!gIZvcqmV9fEiiQz4FJCSBC9QNWYy4kMInFDvSL4z+
> BhWtHVKASmOsCYsNgiPtFgM98BrBUb5K9q+", using the giganews
> backdoor @ bit.torrent/81b2-4fe7-bd55-390e529b61x, resolved
> the left 3 octets of the IP as 173.48.186. Same as Lafferty's.
>
> Three minutes before you posted, the accused, Brian Lafferty,
> confessed.
>
> Tellingly, Lafferty admitted to using remailers. "{When) I
> wanted to conceal my identity, I'd use an anon remailer".
LOL! No I didn't.
>
> Discovery will be interesting. [email protected]
> (posting in support of Lafferty), [email protected] (Lafferty
> forgot that he admitted to using this one), see the name
> similarity? Where Bogner ends and Lafferty begins, all
> will come out in the next phase.
>
> Sweat. :>)
>
> [ quote ]
> Subject: Re: Vidmar, I mean Lafferty caught posting "anonymously" again
> From: "Mr.Vidmar" <[email protected]>
> Received: Monday, February 09, 2009 3:31 PM
> Message-ID: <[email protected]>
> Newsgroups: rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc,alt.chess
>
> Fritz Wuehler wrote:
>> Two post-messages to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc.
>>
>> One from Lafferty, the candidate for the USCF EB, the other from Milan
>> Vidmar (resurrection edition).
>>
>> But -- our forensic team proved both came from the same PC.
>>
>> To make things clearer only the relevant headers are displayed.
>>
>> [message 1]
>>
>> From: "B. Lafferty " <[email protected]>
>> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209)
>> Newsgroups: rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc
>> Subject: Is BocaJunior Learning Disabled?
>> Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2009 18:05:11 GMT
>> MIME-Version: 1.0
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>> Path: g1news2.google.com!news1.google.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!
>> border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!
>> spamkiller.gnilink.net!gnilink.net!nwrddc01.gnilink.net.POSTED!302ce388!
>> not-for-mail
>>
>> ( snip of Lafferty election rhetoric )
>>
>> [message 2]
>>
>> From: "Mr.Vidmar" <[email protected]>
>> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209)
>> Newsgroups: rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc
>> Subject: Where Will Polgar Be?
>> Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 16:26:10 -0500
>> MIME-Version: 1.0
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>> Path: g1news2.google.com!news2.google.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!
>> nntp.giganews.com!local02.nntp.dca.giganews.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!
>> not-for-mail
>>
>> ( snip of stalking of and threats to GM S.Polgar and family)
>>
>> The only conclusion can be that Brian Lafferty is as unelectable as his
>> buddy Sam Sloan.
>>
> ROTFLMAO!!!!! What a putz you are. I opened an account with giganews
> because Verizon's newserver has become very spotty. Vidmar is a nom de
> plume and a playing handle I use on some internet servers like FICS. If
> I wanted to conceal my identity, I'd use an anon remailer like Truong
> does.
> [ /quote ]
>
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Date: 10 Feb 2009 09:13:14
From: Mike Murray
Subject: Re: Vidmar, I mean Lafferty caught posting "anonymously" again
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On Tue, 10 Feb 2009 06:10:11 +0100 (CET), Nomen Nescio
<[email protected] > wrote:
>Three minutes before you posted, the accused, Brian Lafferty,
>confessed.
>Tellingly, Lafferty admitted to using remailers. "{When) I
>wanted to conceal my identity, I'd use an anon remailer".
What he actually wrote was "If I wanted..."
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Date: 10 Feb 2009 15:26:54
From: Mr.Vidmar
Subject: Re: Vidmar, I mean Lafferty caught posting "anonymously" again
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Mike Murray wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Feb 2009 06:10:11 +0100 (CET), Nomen Nescio
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>> Three minutes before you posted, the accused, Brian Lafferty,
>> confessed.
>
>> Tellingly, Lafferty admitted to using remailers. "{When) I
>> wanted to conceal my identity, I'd use an anon remailer".
>
> What he actually wrote was "If I wanted..."
Thank you for pointing that out. Same shit, different day. Where have
we seen this sleazy technique used before? ;-)
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Date: 10 Feb 2009 16:36:34
From:
Subject: Re: Vidmar, I mean Lafferty caught posting "anonymously" again
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Nomen Nescio wrote:
>the giganews tracker e.g.
>"IRqRE7N0FX0kiMWamcx0nAOcW25pR9sz5GAEOUfAFbNe9DegsOfXCZPnAyj/
>ME8hy8vMYd6apgkZmow!gIZvcqmV9fEiiQz4FJCSBC9QNWYy4kMInFDvSL4z+
>BhWtHVKASmOsCYsNgiPtFgM98BrBUb5K9q+", using the giganews
>backdoor @ bit.torrent/81b2-4fe7-bd55-390e529b61x, resolved
>the left 3 octets of the IP as 173.48.186. Same as Lafferty's.
No such "giganews backdoor" exists. Giganews can decrypt the
"X-Trace:" header (they need to be able to do that to track
abuse of their system) but you can't, because you don't have
the key.
Note to a.p and a.p.a-s readers: The above disinformation
is part of the ongoing Sam Sloan flamewar in the chess groups.
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Date: 13 Feb 2009 03:12:28
From:
Subject: Re: Vidmar, I mean Lafferty caught posting "anonymously" again
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[email protected] wrote:
> No such "giganews backdoor" exists. Giganews can decrypt the
> "X-Trace:" header (they need to be able to do that to track
> abuse of their system) but you can't, because you don't have
> the key.
Not true. The giganews trace was busted way back in 2005 or 2006.
The crack was put on the filesharing network. Giganews used weak
encryption (256-AES) for encoding all but the last octet of the
IP address. Dumbasses.
> Note to a.p and a.p.a-s readers: The above disinformation is
> part of the ongoing Sam Sloan flamewar in the chess groups.
Thanks for at least admitting you are spreading disinformation.
Here is the post where the perpetrator later admitted to being the
true sender, confirming the validity of the break in X-Trace.
From: "Mr.Vidmar" <[email protected] >
Message-ID: <[email protected] >
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc,alt.chess
Subject: Re: Vidmar, I mean Lafferty caught posting "anonymously" again
X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 15:31:33 -0500
References: <[email protected] >
In-Reply-To: <[email protected] >
User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 14:31:55 -0600
X-Trace:
sv3-o08LZy9P6OWt8VpNPE3y9gGHYwt3K6Ya/ktAJw26Lou9G0Lyr7QR4RIvM5GxXlHAKXWW/xg
3dEFtWc/!Ro6a2nCKMjQxOVgak735JJBCFYg/yotiAN6l15ZhrZn4lgRQrJRZyMONjR2a6+e0qe
aFEdM8BIu/
X-Complaints-To: [email protected]
X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html
X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers
X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your
complaint properly
X-Postfilter: 1.3.39
Path: g1news2.google.com!news1.google.com!border1.nntp.dca.
giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!loca102.nntp.dca.giganews.com!
news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail
[ start quoting ]
I opened an account with giganews because Verizon's newserver has
become very spotty. Vidmar is a nom de plume and a playing handle
I use on some internet servers like FICS.
[ stop quoting ]
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Date: 09 Feb 2009 15:31:33
From: Mr.Vidmar
Subject: Re: Vidmar, I mean Lafferty caught posting "anonymously" again
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Fritz Wuehler wrote:
> Two post-messages to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc.
>
> One from Lafferty, the candidate for the USCF EB, the other from Milan
> Vidmar (resurrection edition).
>
> But -- our forensic team proved both came from the same PC.
>
> To make things clearer only the relevant headers are displayed.
>
> [message 1]
>
> From: "B. Lafferty " <[email protected]>
> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209)
> Newsgroups: rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc
> Subject: Is BocaJunior Learning Disabled?
> Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2009 18:05:11 GMT
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> Path: g1news2.google.com!news1.google.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!
> border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!
> spamkiller.gnilink.net!gnilink.net!nwrddc01.gnilink.net.POSTED!302ce388!
> not-for-mail
>
> ( snip of Lafferty election rhetoric )
>
> [message 2]
>
> From: "Mr.Vidmar" <[email protected]>
> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209)
> Newsgroups: rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc
> Subject: Where Will Polgar Be?
> Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 16:26:10 -0500
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> Path: g1news2.google.com!news2.google.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!
> nntp.giganews.com!local02.nntp.dca.giganews.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!
> not-for-mail
>
> ( snip of stalking of and threats to GM S.Polgar and family)
>
> The only conclusion can be that Brian Lafferty is as unelectable as his
> buddy Sam Sloan.
>
ROTFLMAO!!!!! What a putz you are. I opened an account with giganews
because Verizon's newserver has become very spotty. Vidmar is a nom de
plume and a playing handle I use on some internet servers like FICS. If
I wanted to conceal my identity, I'd use an anon remailer like Truong
does.
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Date: 09 Feb 2009 11:51:45
From: Rob
Subject: Re: Vidmar, I mean Lafferty caught posting "anonymously" again
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On Feb 9, 12:29=A0pm, Fritz Wuehler
<[email protected] > wrote:
> Two post-messages to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc.
>
> One from Lafferty, the candidate for the USCF EB, the other from Milan
> Vidmar (resurrection edition).
>
> But -- our forensic team proved both came from the same PC.
>
> To make things clearer only the relevant headers are displayed.
>
> [message 1]
>
> From: "B. Lafferty " <[email protected]>
> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209)
> Newsgroups: rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc
> Subject: Is BocaJunior Learning Disabled?
> Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2009 18:05:11 GMT
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DISO-8859-1; format=3Dflowed
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> Path: g1news2.google.com!news1.google.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!
> border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!
> spamkiller.gnilink.net!gnilink.net!nwrddc01.gnilink.net.POSTED!302ce388!
> not-for-mail
>
> ( snip of Lafferty election rhetoric )
>
> [message 2]
>
> From: "Mr.Vidmar" <[email protected]>
> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209)
> Newsgroups: rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc
> Subject: Where Will Polgar Be?
> Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 16:26:10 -0500
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DISO-8859-1; format=3Dflowed
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> Path: g1news2.google.com!news2.google.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!
> nntp.giganews.com!local02.nntp.dca.giganews.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!
> not-for-mail
>
> ( snip of stalking of and threats to GM S.Polgar and family)
>
> The only conclusion can be that Brian Lafferty is as unelectable as his
> buddy Sam Sloan.
What does this mean inplain speak? Brian, do you wish to take this
opportunity to clear your name?
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