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Date: 16 Jun 2008 05:53:39
From: samsloan
Subject: Susan Says She Will No Longer Try To Help the USCF
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Susan posted the following comments on her "Saturday Open Forum":
http://susanpolgar.blogspot.com/2008/06/saturday-open-forum.html
Blogger SusanPolgar said...
The future of chess is very bright. Chess is booming but I do not
see that for the USCF.
I still do get invitations to strong events but I will only play
if it is something interesting and make sense for me. I came out of
retirement and played in the 2004 Olympiad, Women's Chess Cup in
Germany, and the Mayor's Cup in NY. I find those events exciting.
I will be promoting chess for the rest of my life. But I do not
like politics, not now, not ever. I am ashamed of the behavior of some
of my colleagues. Their personal ego and political power is more
important than improving or fixing the USCF.
My involvement with the USCF board is to help this federation. If
they do not want my help then I will continue doing other things for
SPICE and the SPF. Chess will continue to grow with or without the
USCF.
Best wishes,
Susan Polgar
Saturday, June 14, 2008 11:26:00 AM CDT
Blogger SusanPolgar said...
Jolly, as I stated before, I am very disappointed in the state of
USCF chess. I ran for the board to help. Instead of working together
for the good of chess and the USCF, the same small group of people
would do anything to maintain the status quo and their control of the
USCF. Their personal interest, ego, and power is more important than
the welfare of this federation.
In the mean time, chess is booming in America while the USCF
continues to crash and burn.
Best wishes,
Susan Polgar
Saturday, June 14, 2008 4:50:00 PM CDT
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Date: 18 Jun 2008 06:42:45
From: The Historian
Subject: Re: Susan
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On Jun 18, 8:08 am, SBD <[email protected] > wrote:
> On Jun 17, 3:54 pm, "Chess One" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "Ted E Bear" <[email protected]> wrote in messagenews:[email protected]...
>
> > > "Ray Gordon, prolific prevaricator and pontificator" <[email protected]>
> > > wrote in messagenews:[email protected]...
> > >>> I have to agree with her
> > >>> sentiments.
>
> > >> Should she stay on the board given them?
>
> > >> I would assume USCF bylaws would require that board members be committed
> > >> to helping the federation.
>
> > >> If she doesn't want to do that, she could free up her seat for someone
> > >> who does.
>
> > > It seems odd that someone who has not paid dues in over ten years, would
> > > be commenting on the inner workings of the Executive Board. The USCF is a
> > > private group, if you are not a member, and don't support it with your
> > > dues, you should shut your mouth.
>
> > I disagree with Ted. USCF is not a private group, but a public non-profit to
> > promote chess.
>
> > If USCF wants top become a private group it should continue as it is - but
> > that is another issue, entirely apart from who is or is not a current
> > member.
>
> > Phil Innes
>
> This is one of your better comments. The USCF should be interested in
> all things chess, and as the representative for chess in the US,
> should be willing to address members or non-members on such issues.
>
> Even Innes is smart enough (and he doesn't exactly shine
> intellectually) to see that the USCF's main problem is not adhering to
> its mission (statement).
It doesn't take very many gray cells to see that. I agree Innes'
sensible remarks should be encouraged when he makes them. Perhaps he
will make them more often.
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Date: 18 Jun 2008 06:08:18
From: SBD
Subject: Re: Susan
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On Jun 17, 3:54 pm, "Chess One" <[email protected] > wrote:
> "Ted E Bear" <[email protected]> wrote in messagenews:[email protected]...
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Ray Gordon, prolific prevaricator and pontificator" <[email protected]>
> > wrote in messagenews:[email protected]...
> >>> I have to agree with her
> >>> sentiments.
>
> >> Should she stay on the board given them?
>
> >> I would assume USCF bylaws would require that board members be committed
> >> to helping the federation.
>
> >> If she doesn't want to do that, she could free up her seat for someone
> >> who does.
>
> > It seems odd that someone who has not paid dues in over ten years, would
> > be commenting on the inner workings of the Executive Board. The USCF is a
> > private group, if you are not a member, and don't support it with your
> > dues, you should shut your mouth.
>
> I disagree with Ted. USCF is not a private group, but a public non-profit to
> promote chess.
>
> If USCF wants top become a private group it should continue as it is - but
> that is another issue, entirely apart from who is or is not a current
> member.
>
> Phil Innes
This is one of your better comments. The USCF should be interested in
all things chess, and as the representative for chess in the US,
should be willing to address members or non-members on such issues.
Even Innes is smart enough (and he doesn't exactly shine
intellectually) to see that the USCF's main problem is not adhering to
its mission (statement).
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Date: 18 Jun 2008 14:04:07
From: Chess One
Subject: Re: Susan
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"SBD" <[email protected] > wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Jun 17, 3:54 pm, "Chess One" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> "Ted E Bear" <[email protected]> wrote in
>> messagenews:[email protected]...
>> I disagree with Ted. USCF is not a private group, but a public non-profit
>> to
>> promote chess.
>>
>> If USCF wants top become a private group it should continue as it is -
>> but
>> that is another issue, entirely apart from who is or is not a current
>> member.
>>
>> Phil Innes
>
> This is one of your better comments. The USCF should be interested in
> all things chess, and as the representative for chess in the US,
> should be willing to address members or non-members on such issues.
The USCF has no business to do other than promote chess. You will see
Steven, in other news today, what is possible without them.
> Even Innes is smart enough (and he doesn't exactly shine
> intellectually) to see that the USCF's main problem is not adhering to
> its mission (statement).
Coming from someone who does not exactly raise or promote chess issues
themselves, and never it seems without derogatory reference to those who do,
I am pleased to be singled out as even a 'not exactly' sort of person as
they perceive themselves to be, since the very last thing I would aspire to
is to be seen as 'normally intellectual' by those who 'see' things such as I
wrote above, but are fraid to ever say things, lest they lose their position
on the Titanic.
Their role in USCF's decline is not exactly owned. And their own
intellectual contributions not exactly evident.
Phil Innes
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Date: 18 Jun 2008 01:09:55
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Susan
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On Jun 17, 5:02 pm, "Chess One" <[email protected] > wrote:
> ...and continue as normal to
> monitor what it says in contrast to what it does.
What it /says/? "I was nearly an IM with a rating
of 2450."
What it /does/? "IMnes, Sir Phil: no match found.
Did you mean Sir Phillip? Sir Inverness? Sir Robin?
That's him-- Bravely brave Sir Robin!"
I always enjoy a good rant... about how one need
not be a member in order to discuss USCF issues;
it reminds me of oh so many threads wherein the
bravely brave Sir Robin ranted that folks who did
not happen to agree with him needed to "shut up"
because they allegedly were not members of the
chess-players group. *Contrast* indeed!
-- help bot
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Date: 17 Jun 2008 09:41:42
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Susan Says She Will No Longer Try To Help the USCF
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On Jun 16, 4:37 pm, "Ray Gordon, creator of the \"pivot\""
<[email protected] > wrote:
> > seems to have an unshakable, iron grip.
> If so, iron isn't what it used to be.
Ever since they invented steel (by accidentally
dropping a bottle of Flintstones multi-vitamins into
a vat of molten iron), the talking heads have
complained about the strength of iron somehow
being inadequate. Next, they may even go so far
as to demand a titanium/carbon fiber grip.
-- help bot
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Date: 17 Jun 2008 09:32:07
From: samsloan
Subject: Re: Susan
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On Jun 17, 11:14 am, "Ted E Bear" <[email protected] > wrote:
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> It seems odd that someone who has not paid dues in over ten years, would be
> commenting on the inner workings of the Executive Board. The USCF is a
> private group, if you are not a member, and don't support it with your dues,
> you should shut your mouth.
>
Are you writing to Ray Gordon, Phil Innes or Rob Mitchell?
Your comment applies to all of them.
Sam Sloan
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Date: 17 Jun 2008 17:02:38
From: Chess One
Subject: Re: Susan
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"samsloan" <[email protected] > wrote in message
news:f31ec3f0-db34-4c4f-bfe0-96d515b12dae@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 17, 11:14 am, "Ted E Bear" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>> It seems odd that someone who has not paid dues in over ten years, would
>> be
>> commenting on the inner workings of the Executive Board. The USCF is a
>> private group, if you are not a member, and don't support it with your
>> dues,
>> you should shut your mouth.
>>
> Are you writing to Ray Gordon, Phil Innes or Rob Mitchell?
>
> Your comment applies to all of them.
The idiot Sloan commentary on a public property, USCF's membership, is just
as good-ol'-boy would say. It matters to the Sloan if you are a member of
something to contest the virtues of something.
This is unfortunately typical of the Sloan's perspective and although he
will not own it, exactly the same as Bill Goichberg's. It is merely
unfortunate for those who do not agree with USCF's policy actions, since it
doesn't reflect their own perspectives. Thereby USCF does not represent them
at all.
If USCF is indeed a "private group" as says this ex-board member, maybe it
should not posture as a pro-bono caissa public group within its established
non-profit status?
Then as a private entity it can do as it wishes, and none of us chess
players will be confused to its intentions, and continue as normal to
monitor what it says in contrast to what it does.
Phil Innes
> Sam Sloan
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Date: 16 Jun 2008 13:26:18
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Susan Says She Will No Longer Try To Help the USCF
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On Jun 16, 3:05 pm, Rob <[email protected] > wrote:
> I tend to believe a new organization or a complete restructuring of
> the old... er, well I guess that would be a whole new organization,
> wouldn't it?
One key difference is that -- much like the difference
between Japanese automakers and American ones --
the USCF carries with it a huge liability (toward its Life
members) while a new organization would not.
I've read some comments that suggest the reason
certain individuals (don't worry BG, I'm not going to
name names here) repeatedly run for the USCF
board is that they can use its power to help them
make money in chess; in other words, it's very
much like politics here in America. But, just as in
American politics, the conflicts of interest are so
obvious that they are often ignored, as if they did
not exist.
For instance, when the government tells us that
inflation is well under control at a paltry 2.9%, not
only do most people accept that to be factual,
they will even incorporate that number into many
of their own calculations, churning out further
nonsense to add to the government's own lies!
Sadly, the only way we learn about the many
abuses inside the USCF is when jealousies
arise, and somebody (don't worry SS, I'm not
going to name names here) whines that
somebody else got free stuff at their expense.
Not that it makes any difference... the BG clan
seems to have an unshakable, iron grip.
-- help bot
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Date: 16 Jun 2008 16:37:24
From: Ray Gordon, creator of the \pivot\
Subject: Re: Susan Says She Will No Longer Try To Help the USCF
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> seems to have an unshakable, iron grip.
If so, iron isn't what it used to be.
--
Ray Gordon, The ORIGINAL Lifestyle Seduction Guru
Finding Your A-Game:
http://www.cybersheet.com/library.html
Includes 29 Reasons Not To Be A Nice Guy (FREE!)
The book Neil Strauss and VH-1 STOLE The Pivot From
Click HERE: for the ORIGINAL pivot chapter:
http://www.cybersheet.com/pivot.pdf
Here's my Myspace Page: And Pickup Blog (FREE advice)
http://www.myspace.com/snodgrasspublishing
Don't rely on overexposed, mass-marketed commercial seduction methods which
no longer work. Learn the methods the gurus USE with the money they make
from what they teach.
Thinking of taking a seduction "workshiop?" Read THIS:
http://www.dirtyscottsdale.com/?p=1187
Beware! VH-1's "The Pickup Artst" was FRAUDULENT. Six of the eight
contestants were actors, and they used PAID TARGETS in the club. The paid
targets got mad when VH-1 said "there are no actors in this club" and ruined
their prromised acting credit. What else has Mystery lied about?
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Date: 16 Jun 2008 12:05:15
From: Rob
Subject: Re: Susan Says She Will No Longer Try To Help the USCF
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On Jun 16, 2:00=A0pm, help bot <[email protected] > wrote:
> On Jun 16, 2:08 pm, Rob <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > I have to agree with her sentiments.
>
> =A0 Mr. Sloan seems to have a personal grudge of
> some kind against Susan Polgar, and the bulk of
> postings here about her originate with him; this
> tilts the scale toward a very negative perspective
> on her.
>
> =A0 However, it is surprising to me that after all the
> YEARS of moaning and groaning about the small
> group of folks who control the board, Ms. Polgar
> manages to act "surprised" by it all-- as did Mr.
> Sloan when, by his own account, he could not
> get anything done as a result. =A0The only possible
> explanation for such surprise -- if genuine -- is
> complete ignorance of how things work in the
> USCF.
>
> =A0 Petty infighting aside, I see attacks on the
> Truong/Polgar duet, accusations of dishonesty
> and deviousness, and lay them side-by-side
> with what I've *seen with my own eyes* on the
> infamous SP Web site: a dead-on match, IMO.
> =A0 When challenged to "explain" those lies and
> fabrications, even SP's most ardent apologists
> can offer nothing more than a redefinition of
> outright fabrications and lies as "hyperbole";
> others go mum-- apparently thinking radio
> silence to be a tenable strategy. =A0But their
> silence is deafening... .
>
> =A0 In sum, I see no good reason to prefer SP's
> brand of egomania to the power-mongering of
> the BG clan. =A0What we need is new blood-- or
> a new organization, organized differently so
> as to avoid such monopolies.
>
> =A0 -- help bot
I tend to believe a new organization or a complete restructuring of
the old... er, well I guess that would be a whole new organization,
wouldn't it?
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Date: 16 Jun 2008 12:00:33
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Susan Says She Will No Longer Try To Help the USCF
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On Jun 16, 2:08 pm, Rob <[email protected] > wrote:
> I have to agree with her sentiments.
Mr. Sloan seems to have a personal grudge of
some kind against Susan Polgar, and the bulk of
postings here about her originate with him; this
tilts the scale toward a very negative perspective
on her.
However, it is surprising to me that after all the
YEARS of moaning and groaning about the small
group of folks who control the board, Ms. Polgar
manages to act "surprised" by it all-- as did Mr.
Sloan when, by his own account, he could not
get anything done as a result. The only possible
explanation for such surprise -- if genuine -- is
complete ignorance of how things work in the
USCF.
Petty infighting aside, I see attacks on the
Truong/Polgar duet, accusations of dishonesty
and deviousness, and lay them side-by-side
with what I've *seen with my own eyes* on the
infamous SP Web site: a dead-on match, IMO.
When challenged to "explain" those lies and
fabrications, even SP's most ardent apologists
can offer nothing more than a redefinition of
outright fabrications and lies as "hyperbole";
others go mum-- apparently thinking radio
silence to be a tenable strategy. But their
silence is deafening... .
In sum, I see no good reason to prefer SP's
brand of egomania to the power-mongering of
the BG clan. What we need is new blood-- or
a new organization, organized differently so
as to avoid such monopolies.
-- help bot
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Date: 16 Jun 2008 11:08:04
From: Rob
Subject: Re: Susan Says She Will No Longer Try To Help the USCF
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On Jun 16, 7:53=A0am, samsloan <[email protected] > wrote:
> Susan posted the following comments on her "Saturday Open Forum":
>
> http://susanpolgar.blogspot.com/2008/06/saturday-open-forum.html
>
> Blogger SusanPolgar said...
>
> =A0 =A0 The future of chess is very bright. Chess is booming but I do not
> see that for the USCF.
>
> =A0 =A0 I still do get invitations to strong events but I will only play
> if it is something interesting and make sense for me. I came out of
> retirement and played in the 2004 Olympiad, Women's Chess Cup in
> Germany, and the Mayor's Cup in NY. I find those events exciting.
>
> =A0 =A0 I will be promoting chess for the rest of my life. But I do not
> like politics, not now, not ever. I am ashamed of the behavior of some
> of my colleagues. Their personal ego and political power is more
> important than improving or fixing the USCF.
>
> =A0 =A0 My involvement with the USCF board is to help this federation. If
> they do not want my help then I will continue doing other things for
> SPICE and the SPF. Chess will continue to grow with or without the
> USCF.
>
> =A0 =A0 Best wishes,
> =A0 =A0 Susan Polgar
> =A0 =A0 Saturday, June 14, 2008 11:26:00 AM CDT
>
> Blogger SusanPolgar said...
>
> =A0 =A0 Jolly, as I stated before, I am very disappointed in the state of
> USCF chess. I ran for the board to help. Instead of working together
> for the good of chess and the USCF, the same small group of people
> would do anything to maintain the status quo and their control of the
> USCF. Their personal interest, ego, and power is more important than
> the welfare of this federation.
>
> =A0 =A0 In the mean time, chess is booming in America while the USCF
> continues to crash and burn.
>
> =A0 =A0 Best wishes,
> =A0 =A0 Susan Polgar
> =A0 =A0 Saturday, June 14, 2008 4:50:00 PM CDT
I have to agree with her sentiments.
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Date: 16 Jun 2008 14:11:34
From: Ray Gordon, creator of the \pivot\
Subject: Re: Susan
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> I have to agree with her
> sentiments.
Should she stay on the board given them?
I would assume USCF bylaws would require that board members be committed to
helping the federation.
If she doesn't want to do that, she could free up her seat for someone who
does.
--
Ray Gordon, The ORIGINAL Lifestyle Seduction Guru
Finding Your A-Game:
http://www.cybersheet.com/library.html
Includes 29 Reasons Not To Be A Nice Guy (FREE!)
The book Neil Strauss and VH-1 STOLE The Pivot From
Click HERE: for the ORIGINAL pivot chapter:
http://www.cybersheet.com/pivot.pdf
Here's my Myspace Page: And Pickup Blog (FREE advice)
http://www.myspace.com/snodgrasspublishing
Don't rely on overexposed, mass-marketed commercial seduction methods which
no longer work. Learn the methods the gurus USE with the money they make
from what they teach.
Thinking of taking a seduction "workshiop?" Read THIS:
http://www.dirtyscottsdale.com/?p=1187
Beware! VH-1's "The Pickup Artst" was FRAUDULENT. Six of the eight
contestants were actors, and they used PAID TARGETS in the club. The paid
targets got mad when VH-1 said "there are no actors in this club" and ruined
their prromised acting credit. What else has Mystery lied about?
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Date: 17 Jun 2008 11:14:13
From: Ted E Bear
Subject: Re: Susan
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"Ray Gordon, prolific prevaricator and pontificator" <[email protected] >
wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>> I have to agree with her
>> sentiments.
>
> Should she stay on the board given them?
>
> I would assume USCF bylaws would require that board members be committed
> to helping the federation.
>
> If she doesn't want to do that, she could free up her seat for someone who
> does.
>
It seems odd that someone who has not paid dues in over ten years, would be
commenting on the inner workings of the Executive Board. The USCF is a
private group, if you are not a member, and don't support it with your dues,
you should shut your mouth.
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Date: 17 Jun 2008 16:54:50
From: Chess One
Subject: Re: Susan
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"Ted E Bear" <[email protected] > wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Ray Gordon, prolific prevaricator and pontificator" <[email protected]>
> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>>> I have to agree with her
>>> sentiments.
>>
>> Should she stay on the board given them?
>>
>> I would assume USCF bylaws would require that board members be committed
>> to helping the federation.
>>
>> If she doesn't want to do that, she could free up her seat for someone
>> who does.
>>
> It seems odd that someone who has not paid dues in over ten years, would
> be commenting on the inner workings of the Executive Board. The USCF is a
> private group, if you are not a member, and don't support it with your
> dues, you should shut your mouth.
I disagree with Ted. USCF is not a private group, but a public non-profit to
promote chess.
If USCF wants top become a private group it should continue as it is - but
that is another issue, entirely apart from who is or is not a current
member.
Phil Innes
>
>
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Date: 16 Jun 2008 16:01:09
From: Chess One
Subject: Re: Susan
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"Ray Gordon, creator of the "pivot"" <[email protected] > wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>> I have to agree with her
>> sentiments.
>
> Should she stay on the board given them?
>
> I would assume USCF bylaws would require that board members be committed
> to helping the federation.
That's the Ollie North defence. You don't swear an oath as an officer to
protect the president, but to protect the people!
The mission statement of USCF says that board members support promoting
chess. Susan Polgar says she is still supporting it - but where are the rest
of the board?
> If she doesn't want to do that, she could free up her seat for someone who
> does.
Someone who does what?
Phil Innes
>
> --
> Ray Gordon, The ORIGINAL Lifestyle Seduction Guru
commercial stuff snipped, plus a couple newsgroups
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Date: 16 Jun 2008 16:35:20
From: Ray Gordon, creator of the \pivot\
Subject: Re: Susan
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>>> I have to agree with her
>>> sentiments.
>>
>> Should she stay on the board given them?
>>
>> I would assume USCF bylaws would require that board members be committed
>> to helping the federation.
>
> That's the Ollie North defence. You don't swear an oath as an officer to
> protect the president, but to protect the people!
This isn't an issue of national security, nor does it appear anyone is
helped by a board member vowing not to help the federation on whose board
she sits.
Unless her platform was gridlock, which would result in the status quo she
complains about.
> The mission statement of USCF says that board members support promoting
> chess. Susan Polgar says she is still supporting it - but where are the
> rest of the board?
Probably because "support" is an adjective that can be applied to any set of
facts, whereas actual actions create a separate set of facts that not all
would deem supportive.
In other words, don't tell me you're tyring to help me, just tell me what
you're doing and let me decide if it's helpful, etc.
>> If she doesn't want to do that, she could free up her seat for someone
>> who does.
>
> Someone who does what?
Who does what the other says they are no longer doing.
If she wants to work for her own nonprofit, she's more than able to. Why
would she want to stay on the USCF board given what she says here?
--
Ray Gordon, The ORIGINAL Lifestyle Seduction Guru
Finding Your A-Game:
http://www.cybersheet.com/library.html
Includes 29 Reasons Not To Be A Nice Guy (FREE!)
The book Neil Strauss and VH-1 STOLE The Pivot From
Click HERE: for the ORIGINAL pivot chapter:
http://www.cybersheet.com/pivot.pdf
Here's my Myspace Page: And Pickup Blog (FREE advice)
http://www.myspace.com/snodgrasspublishing
Don't rely on overexposed, mass-marketed commercial seduction methods which
no longer work. Learn the methods the gurus USE with the money they make
from what they teach.
Thinking of taking a seduction "workshiop?" Read THIS:
http://www.dirtyscottsdale.com/?p=1187
Beware! VH-1's "The Pickup Artst" was FRAUDULENT. Six of the eight
contestants were actors, and they used PAID TARGETS in the club. The paid
targets got mad when VH-1 said "there are no actors in this club" and ruined
their prromised acting credit. What else has Mystery lied about?
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Date: 17 Jun 2008 07:37:02
From: Chess One
Subject: Re: Susan
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"Ray Gordon, creator of the "pivot"" <[email protected] > wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>>>> I have to agree with her
>>>> sentiments.
>>>
>>> Should she stay on the board given them?
>>>
>>> I would assume USCF bylaws would require that board members be committed
>>> to helping the federation.
>>
>> That's the Ollie North defence. You don't swear an oath as an officer to
>> protect the president, but to protect the people!
>
> This isn't an issue of national security, nor does it appear anyone is
> helped by a board member vowing not to help the federation on whose board
> she sits.
I am differentiating the fact or being in office and the purpose of the
office. The purpose of USCF is to promote chess, right? If the rest of the
board are not promoting chess then are you suggesting that Susan Polgar
'help' them not promote chess?
> Unless her platform was gridlock, which would result in the status quo she
> complains about.
Even in government minority parties have influence. If the majority of
people on the board are not attempting the mission of USCF which is first
and foremost to promote the game, why not ask them to resign instead of
those who are demonstrably promoting it?
>> The mission statement of USCF says that board members support promoting
>> chess. Susan Polgar says she is still supporting it - but where are the
>> rest of the board?
>
> Probably because "support" is an adjective that can be applied to any set
> of facts, whereas actual actions create a separate set of facts that not
> all would deem supportive.
Probably ... perhaps... not all !
I would say the majority of people both in the USCF and in the greater chess
community have a clear idea of who is doing more to promote chess - the
/huge/ vote for SP in the USCF elections are a clear indicator of member's
needs to shift USCF's emphasis to something more active and engaging, and
independent of USCF 'actual actions' stand the test of comparison.
> In other words, don't tell me you're tyring to help me, just tell me what
> you're doing and let me decide if it's helpful, etc.
I'm not stopping you from deciding for yourself - go ahead! Other people
seem clear on the issue. But to write on the basis of "Probably ...
perhaps... not all" make you seem like a rather hypothetical chess player
who is not making any comparisons of one thing to another, since what in
fact 'helps' you?
As I wrote here last week, you do not seem to much play the game, or discuss
how it is to play it, and I reference thousands of your messages here,
therefore your opinion is perhaps atypical of chess players?
>>> If she doesn't want to do that, she could free up her seat for someone
>>> who does.
>>
>> Someone who does what?
>
> Who does what the other says they are no longer doing.
You are saying she could free up her seat so that what activity could take
place? So that people not promoting the game can unanimously do so? Is that
your idea? Its very hard to tell since you don't name your nouns, and
frequently not the subject nor object of the sense either - and here you do
not name your verb "are no longer doing".
So you propose something, and when asked about what that is get vaguer,
instead of more concise.
> If she wants to work for her own nonprofit, she's more than able to. Why
> would she want to stay on the USCF board given what she says here?
Because the missions of both are the same - to promote the game. Its not
complicated.
The only puzzle is why you personally are interested in any aspect of what
other people should do, and if you think you yourself are typical or of some
majority view. What in fact would constitute 'help', in your own words, for
(a) yourself, for (b) others?
It can probably only happen at USCF that someone can write that actively
promoting the game should give way to not doing so.
At least I thought so until recently - but the English Chess Federation just
split for exactly the same reason - those elected with a mandate to progress
the game resigned since those already in office didn't want to do it.
Phil Innes
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