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Date: 16 Oct 2008 11:50:34
From: samsloan
Subject: Susan Polgar Responds to USCF motions to Dismiss Her Lawsuit
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Susan Polgar has filed ten different responses to the motions by the USCF Defendants to dismiss her lawsuit in Texas. Each response is a little bit different. For example, her response to Goichberg's motion to dismiss adds new paragraphs 11, 14 and 15. Her response to Karl Kronenberger adds new paragraphs 13-16. Here is her response to the USCF's motion to dismiss. All of the other responses are the same or add a few new paragraphs. http://www.anusha.com/polgar-response-to-uscf-motion.pdf Sam Sloan
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Date: 25 Oct 2008 06:57:43
From: samsloan
Subject: Re: Susan Polgar Responds to USCF motions to Dismiss Her Lawsuit
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Dear Donna, Thank you for informing me that Allen Priest is a member of the Finance Committee. I knew that he was on important committees but I did not know which ones. However, I am surprised at your remark that the USCF is in financial difficulties because of MY lawsuit. As it turns out, the USCF is covered by an insurance policy with $10,000 deductible, so the most that my lawsuit can cost the USCF is that $10,000. However, the lawsuit Susan Polgar vs. USCF is not covered by that insurance policy. The potential exposure by the USCF to that lawsuit is unlimited, expecially since Susan Polgar has stated on her website that she is going all the way with this and there will be no compromises or settlements. Also, you state "it would be really great if some effort could be made into trying to negotiate to save USCF." What sort of negotiation would you suggest? Obviously, as long as Polgar and Truong are on the board no negotiations are possible, and they have made it clear that under no circumstances will they resign. They will also be running a slate of candidates in the coming election to try to complete their takeover of the USCF. It is obvious that they are after the treasury. Anybody familiar with their extortionistic financial demands over the last few years such as their demand to be paid $50,000 for "training" the Woman's Olympiad Team knows that. Also, you make it sound that it is somehow my fault that this happened. It was known more than one year before the Mottershead Report came out that Paul Truong was the Fake Sam Sloan. At my first meeting of the board on August 14, 2006, I presented proof that Truong was doing this and I told the board how to verify this, by comparing IP addresses. The steps to accomplish this were easy and would have cost zero other than a few minuutes of Mike Nolan's time. Essentially, what Brian Mottershead did in September 2007 to prove that Truong was the Fake Sam Sloan is exactly what I said in August 2006 should be done to accomplish this. Why did not the board authorize this? The answer is obvious. Goichberg and Channing were supporters of Polgar and Truong. They wanted for this to continue to discredit me and to blunt my complaints about mismanagement of the USCF and the horrific financial losses that were occurring. It served their purposes for Truong to continue to post thousands of Fake Sam Sloan messages to discredit me. Indeed, Joel Channing paid money to Polgar and Truong during this period in support of their activities and Channing posted on the USCF Issues Forum that he was "amused" by the postings by the Fake Sam Sloan and that the only reason he ever looked at rec.games.chess.politics was to see the latest postings by the Fake Sam Sloan. Further evidence that Channing and Goichberg knew all along that Paul Truong was the Fake Sam Sloan and supported their activities is their reaction once it was proved that they had done it. Joel Channing demanded that legal proceedings be brought against Brian Mottershead for revealing this fact. Channing wanted no action taken against Truong and Polgar and continued to support them until months later when he resigned in disgrace after the rest of the board refused to increase the insurance policy to protect Channing's assets. Goichberg wanted the findings of Brian Mottershead kept secret or at the most submitted to the Ethics Committee, where he knew it would be pigeonholed for a year or more. In short, both Goichberg and Channing behaved as one would if they were guilty. Their actions were not the behavior of completely innocent persons. So, in short, my question to you is: What actions do you think should be taken to settle the two crisis facing the USCF: 1. The "Fake Sam Sloan" situation with thus far five lawsuits pending in court and I am told one more filed or about to be filed in the next few days and 2. The continuing horrific financial losses including $258,000 lost last year and more losses expected this year, with the board unwilling to take corrective action necessary to stop these losses. Sam Sloan On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 8:09 AM, Donnachesspals <[email protected] > wrote: Sam, At some point in time, you might just want to get some facts down before shooting off at the mouth. Mr. Priest was a member of the finance committee last year (and I think he still is this year) and his livelihood depends upon his knowledge of accounting. Everything he said at the meeting does have a basis in fact, was straight to the point, and it would be nice if you started sticking to issues instead of going into personal attack mode every time someone said something with which you disagreed. I oftentimes disagree with Mr. Priest but we can agree to disagree. There is no need to attack every single person who comes to this organization to try to help it establish proper business principles. All it does is discourage those who could really help the organization to decide that they have better things to do with their lives and leaves the organization so much the worse off. USCF has major financial issues to deal with and personally, I'll be shocked if it figures out how to survive the legal fees which originated with YOUR lawsuit. While I empathize with your position in needing to file the lawsuit, the fact is that the chain of lawsuits is likely to be the final straws to break USCF's back. Instead of attacking those trying to better USCF, it would be really great if some effort could be made into trying to negotiate to save USCF. Donna Alarie Massachusetts Delegate In a message dated 10/25/08 04:27:36 Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: I admit that I went over the top in attacking Mr. Allen Priest and I apologize for that. However, please understand that I had a reason. At the August 9-10, 2008 USCF Delegate's meeting in Dallas, Mr. Priest felt a need to stand up and speak on every single issue that came before the delegates. As far as I am aware, Mr. Priest had never attended one of these meetings before and has no knowledge or familiarity with the issues. Yet, he seemed to feel a need to inform us of his views on every subject. Nobody at the meeting spoke more often or longer than Mr. Allen Priest did. I have no objection to newbies coming in and participating. To the contrary, I would like to see more USCF members participating in these meetings. However, Mr. Priest must feel that he is more intelligent and knowledgable than us poor chess players. Otherwise, why would he find it necessary to speak so often. By the way, Mr. Priest has a USCF rating of 654. I suspect that his knowledge of high finance is about the same as his knowledge of chess. http://www.uschess.org/msa/MbrDtlMain.php?12874976 Now, Mr. Priest has gotten himself appointed to important USCF committees and he is rumored to be running for the board. What really got me ticked off during the meeting in Dallas was when he rose to speak on the issue of finances and said that we should ignore the delegate resolutions passed during the prior year's meetings in Cherry Hill NJ in 2007 because they were contrary to GAAP. Of course, Mr. Priest had not attended the 2007 meeting so he did not know what he was telling us to ignore. At the 2007 meeting, the delegates passed a series of motions designed to force the Executive Director to become financially responsible. Among other things, they required that the funds received from the sale of life memberships be transferred to a special LMA account rather than being spent as current income as was otherwise being done. They also put a cap of $50,000 on the amount the USCF could claim to be receiving from the "Old LMA Account", since the Old LMA Account was closed in 2003 and no money is there. When the 2008 meeting in Dallas took place, we learned from the board that it had been decided to ignore all the resolutions that had been passed during the 2007 meeting and that accordingly $120,000 of this so-called "imaginary money" had been included as current income in the financial statements, thus reducing what otherwise would have been a loss of $190,000 to only minus $70,000. The delegates also decided to solve the problem of the requirement that all funds received from new Life Members be placed in a new LMA Account, by simply abolishing the sale of life memberships. Thus, there will be no funds to transfer to the LMA Account this year. This is why I was annoyed by the lengthy speeches by Mr. Allen Priest in Dallas. What should have happened is that the delegates should have become outraged upon learning that all of the delegate resolutions passed during the 2007 meeting had been ignored. The reason this did not happen is that many of the traditionally heavy hitters in chess politics already knew about this. They knew that the Goichberg group had all the cards in their hands. They knew that they were going to be outvoted. The Goichberg group continues to run up huge deficits, the real loss was $258,000 this past fiscal year, and Goichberg will keep spending money willy-nilly until the USCF goes into oblivion. The long time chess politicians knew that they did not have the votes to stop the Goichberg Group from doing this, and why waste their time and money traveling to Dallas when the conclusion was foregone. So, they simply boycotted the meeting. Nobody from the New Jersey group that passed the 2007 resolutions requiring financial responsibility came to the 2008 meeting. That is the reason why the 2008 meeting room was filled with new people who had never attended one of these meetings before. I hope that now you will understand why I went a little berserk when Mr. Allen Priest started lecturing me on why I should not be allowed to post a link to the pleading filed by counsel for Susan Polgar in federal court in the case Polgar vs. USCF. Again, I apologize. Sam Sloan
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Date: 25 Oct 2008 01:06:14
From: samsloan
Subject: Re: Susan Polgar Responds to USCF motions to Dismiss Her Lawsuit
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I admit that I went over the top in attacking Mr. Allen Priest and I apologize for that. However, please understand that I had a reason. At the August 9-10, 2008 USCF Delegate's meeting in Dallas, Mr. Priest felt a need to stand up and speak on every single issue that came before the delegates. As far as I am aware, Mr. Priest had never attended one of these meetings before and has no knowledge or familiarity with the issues. Yet, he seemed to feel a need to inform us of his views on every subject. Nobody at the meeting spoke more often or longer than Mr. Allen Priest did. I have no objection to newbies coming in and participating. To the contrary, I would like to see more USCF members participating in these meetings. However, Mr. Priest must feel that he is more intelligent and knowledgable than us poor chess players. Otherwise, why would he find it necessary to speak so often. By the way, Mr. Priest has a USCF rating of 654. I suspect that his knowledge of high finance is about the same as his knowledge of chess. http://www.uschess.org/msa/MbrDtlMain.php?12874976 Now, Mr. Priest has gotten himself appointed to important USCF committees and he is rumored to be running for the board. What really got me ticked off during the meeting in Dallas was when he rose to speak on the issue of finances and said that we should ignore the delegate resolutions passed during the prior year's meetings in Cherry Hill NJ in 2007 because they were contrary to GAAP. Of course, Mr. Priest had not attended the 2007 meeting so he did not know what he was telling us to ignore. At the 2007 meeting, the delegates passed a series of motions designed to force the Executive Director to become financially responsible. Among other things, they required that the funds received from the sale of life memberships be transferred to a special LMA account rather than being spent as current income as was otherwise being done. They also put a cap of $50,000 on the amount the USCF could claim to be receiving from the "Old LMA Account", since the Old LMA Account was closed in 2003 and no money is there. When the 2008 meeting in Dallas took place, we learned from the board that it had been decided to ignore all the resolutions that had been passed during the 2007 meeting and that accordingly $120,000 of this so-called "imaginary money" had been included as current income in the financial statements, thus reducing what otherwise would have been a loss of $190,000 to only minus $70,000. The delegates also decided to solve the problem of the requirement that all funds received from new Life Members be placed in a new LMA Account, by simply abolishing the sale of life memberships. Thus, there will be no funds to transfer to the LMA Account this year. This is why I was annoyed by the lengthy speeches by Mr. Allen Priest in Dallas. What should have happened is that the delegates should have become outraged upon learning that all of the delegate resolutions passed during the 2007 meeting had been ignored. The reason this did not happen is that many of the traditionally heavy hitters in chess politics already knew about this. They knew that the Goichberg group had all the cards in their hands. They knew that they were going to be outvoted. The Goichberg group continues to run up huge deficits, the real loss was $258,000 this past fiscal year, and Goichberg will keep spending money willy-nilly until the USCF goes into oblivion. The long time chess politicians knew that they did not have the votes to stop the Goichberg Group from doing this, and why waste their time and money traveling to Dallas when the conclusion was foregone. So, they simply boycotted the meeting. Nobody from the New Jersey group that passed the 2007 resolutions requiring financial responsibility came to the 2008 meeting. That is the reason why the 2008 meeting room was filled with new people who had never attended one of these meetings before. I hope that now you will understand why I went a little berserk when Mr. Allen Priest started lecturing me on why I should not be allowed to post a link to the pleading filed by counsel for Susan Polgar in federal court in the case Polgar vs. USCF. Again, I apologize. Sam Sloan
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Date: 24 Oct 2008 06:21:42
From: samsloan
Subject: Re: Susan Polgar Responds to USCF motions to Dismiss Her Lawsuit
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[quote="Allen"]You asked if someone had checked the link. I did. Your statement was wrong. Why imply a motive to me that was not stated in anything that I posted? I am sure that this next is a waste of my time. But here goes nothing. See, Mr. Sloan, one of your problems in dealing with people is that you are very quick to accuse and quick to insinuate without considering really having all the facts. I will not respond to further messages from you.[/quote] I see that you are very quick to make statements on subjects you know nothing about. Such as your statement at the USCF Delegates meeting in Dallas that the $50,000 cap on "imaginary money" should be abolished because according to you it does not conform to GAAP. Do you even know what "imaginary money" is? It is money that was lost during the period 1999-2003 and there is no hope of ever recovering it. Nevertheless, the board carries on the books that it is receiving $120,000 of this imaginary money every year, which makes the balance sheet look $120,000 better than it really is. So, instead of losing the $70,000 that was reported, the USCF really lost $190,000 in the last fiscal year. Actually, the USCF really lost $258,000, but it was brought down to only a $70,000 loss due to other voodoo playing with the books. Of course, I cannot say this on the USCF Issues Forum because that would be calling the entire board a bunch of liars, which of course they are and is not allowed. By the way, the word is out that you are running for USCF Election on the Polgar-Truong Slate. What do you have to say about that? Of course, with idiots like you who like to speak on subjects you know nothing about, you will make a fine board member. Sam Sloan
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Date: 23 Oct 2008 13:08:15
From: samsloan
Subject: Re: Susan Polgar Responds to USCF motions to Dismiss Her Lawsuit
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The rule you cite states, "Do not post phone numbers, email addresses or other personal information of others". It says nothing about postal addresses. How do you know that these are home addresses? Almost all are obviously business addresses plus two are PO boxes. To the extent that they are home addresses, those are the addresses they are using as delegates or contractors. In any event, I stand corrected. I failed to notice that an extra page had been added at the end which included the address of Brian Mottershead. So, I will make a compromise. I will agree to delete the last three pages, that being pages 10, 11 and 12, from the PDF File, so that the USCF membership will not know the name, the address or the telephone number of the law firm that filed the document. I think that this is ridiculous and asinine, and this is just a typical example of what you have been doing all along as moderator here, something that virtually every member of the USCF Issues Forum has been complaining about. Meanwhile, this document was filed in federal court on October 16, eight days ago, and still the members have not been allowed to know about it. Do we have a deal? Sam Sloan [quote="tsawmiller"][b]Do not post phone numbers, email addresses or other personal information of others. [/b] The pleading contains home addresses. [url=http://main.uschess.org/forums/viewtopic.php? p=116075#p116075]Subject: MQ:Susan Polgar Responds to USCF motions to Dismiss Her Laws[/url] [quote="samsloan"]Susan Polgar has filed ten different responses to the motions by the USCF Defendants to dismiss her lawsuit in Texas. Each response is a little bit different. For example, her response to Goichberg's motion to dismiss adds new paragraphs 11, 14 and 15. Her response to Karl Kronenberger adds new paragraphs 13-16. Here is her response to the USCF's motion to dismiss. All of the other responses are the same or add a few new paragraphs. http://www.anusha.com/polgar-response-to-uscf-motion.pdf Sam Sloan[/quote][/quote]
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Date: 23 Oct 2008 10:58:42
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Susan Polgar Responds to USCF motions to Dismiss Her Lawsuit
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> I don't wish to quibble. However in this case he's either too stupid to > understand the words on the paper, in which case he cannot be purposefully > misrepresenting them or he's barely smart enough to understand the words and > is lying about what they say. But he can't be both, at least not in this > particular instance. I do however agree with your general assessment of his > incompetence and venality. Hello foad, Do you know Help Bot? You were talking to him on Oct 2. After that he disappeared from newsgroup. Your messages looks like that of Help Bot and that make me feel you are cousin of Help Bot or are twins. I got the confusion please clear that. How good you play Chess? Whats your Rating. If you are a good player have a try at GetClub. -- Help Bot (Missing you) Bye Sanny Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 23 Oct 2008 19:43:21
From: foad
Subject: Re: Susan Polgar Responds to USCF motions to Dismiss Her Lawsuit
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"Sanny" <[email protected] > wrote in message news:403fcd3d-5705-4b13-88a2-483a5d11dcd8@d10g2000pra.googlegroups.com... >> I don't wish to quibble. However in this case he's either too stupid to >> understand the words on the paper, in which case he cannot be >> purposefully >> misrepresenting them or he's barely smart enough to understand the words >> and >> is lying about what they say. But he can't be both, at least not in this >> particular instance. I do however agree with your general assessment of >> his >> incompetence and venality. > > > Hello foad, Hi. > Do you know Help Bot? No > You were talking to him on Oct 2. After that he > disappeared from newsgroup. Foul play? > Your messages looks like that of Help Bot and that make me feel you > are cousin of Help Bot or are twins. Your message look like that of a Down's baby and make me think you are a retard. > I got the confusion please clear that. I'm a lawyer not a magician: I can't cure stupid. > How good you play Chess? I play chess not so good. > Whats your Rating. My credit rating is 740, I got 760 on my LSATs, and I get an A+ in the sack. What else you want to know. > If you are a good player > have a try at GetClub. Okay. I have a site as well, called GetFucked. I suggest you visit.
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Date: 23 Oct 2008 08:37:17
From:
Subject: Re: Susan Polgar Responds to USCF motions to Dismiss Her Lawsuit
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On Oct 23, 9:49=A0am, [email protected] wrote: > On Oct 23, 7:23=A0am, "foad" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > So to recap: you're either stupid or lying. Which is it? > > =A0 Sam admits no limits on his ability. He's one of the few people I > know with the courage to be both. Here's our Sam's theme song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dnll8-kSlq6c
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Date: 23 Oct 2008 07:24:25
From: None
Subject: Re: Susan Polgar Responds to USCF motions to Dismiss Her Lawsuit
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On Oct 23, 9:49=A0am, [email protected] wrote: > On Oct 23, 7:23=A0am, "foad" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > So to recap: you're either stupid or lying. Which is it? > > =A0 Sam admits no limits on his ability. He's one of the few people I > know with the courage to be both. Sam says you can't modify a PDF file. That's a fact if you don't own the PDF software. Otherwise it is easy enough to modify any PDF document. Once again we find Sam talking out of his ass.
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Date: 23 Oct 2008 06:49:44
From:
Subject: Re: Susan Polgar Responds to USCF motions to Dismiss Her Lawsuit
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On Oct 23, 7:23=A0am, "foad" <[email protected] > wrote: > > So to recap: you're either stupid or lying. Which is it? Sam admits no limits on his ability. He's one of the few people I know with the courage to be both.
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Date: 23 Oct 2008 17:36:47
From: Chess One
Subject: Re: Susan Polgar Responds to USCF motions to Dismiss Her Lawsuit
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<[email protected] > wrote in message news:1f3c6367-91e3-4cb5-8dd9-48500c869bee@d31g2000hsg.googlegroups.com... On Oct 23, 7:23 am, "foad" <[email protected] > wrote: > > So to recap: you're either stupid or lying. Which is it? Sam admits no limits on his ability. He's one of the few people I know with the courage to be both. **Ability or irresponsibility? 5 Years ago this would just have been the usual political drivel issued by a current serving board member, a board wannabee, or a past-one. But here we got attorneys willing to prosecute for 'serious offences' and talking of jail-time. What is completely obscured is USCF's activities, what it is currently doing, and how well? The run-down magazine is their least serious product and bettered everywhere, and the ratings system can be performed by 3 competent nuns. What else is there that they do other than promote highly contentious Armageddon rules to national chess championships, a sort of brinkmanship equal to their legal affairs! But come the cold months of Jan, Feb March 09, how many lay-offs will there be - can it be less than half a dozen? A hundred+ grand a year for 2 years straight would indicate that much, and who will loan them anything against negative income? Current ts of money have gone to the legal fund... including one or two six-figure amounts, not to maintaining staff Sloan is indeed either stupid to these factors, and possibly untruthful too. But why should this be all about Sloan? Sloan wishes it to be since what other access does he have to the chess scene? If USCF has come down to whatever the Sloan drives as its agenda, and it has, why should this interest any chess player at all? Those are consequent questions, and the high stakes game of lawyers will likely result in someone's demise - since sufficient rigidity exists to gamble the whole lot on whatever happens in a courtroom. Given that USCF should fail entirely, what does anyone imagine would the scene 12 months later? Would all the pieces worth picking up be collected? Another national ratings service introduced, and some rules people to audit affairs pro-bono caissa... The National Championship and so on could be organised on the same basis, if there were a current basis - and since that is outside funded now, will likely remain as commercial as it already is. Those are the 'so what's' of USCF's failure, and naturally, the Sloan has nothing to do with causing any of it in a positive sense, and yet most USCF people do not have a positive sense of their own future and seem to wish to end it all, since it ain't whatever it was, or they thought it was, and they would rather sink than swim. Phil Innes
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Date: 23 Oct 2008 17:09:25
From: foad
Subject: Re: Susan Polgar Responds to USCF motions to Dismiss Her Lawsuit
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<[email protected] > wrote in message news:1f3c6367-91e3-4cb5-8dd9-48500c869bee@d31g2000hsg.googlegroups.com... On Oct 23, 7:23 am, "foad" <[email protected] > wrote: > > So to recap: you're either stupid or lying. Which is it? Sam admits no limits on his ability. He's one of the few people I know with the courage to be both. =========== I don't wish to quibble. However in this case he's either too stupid to understand the words on the paper, in which case he cannot be purposefully misrepresenting them or he's barely smart enough to understand the words and is lying about what they say. But he can't be both, at least not in this particular instance. I do however agree with your general assessment of his incompetence and venality.
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Date: 23 Oct 2008 06:25:55
From: samsloan
Subject: Re: Susan Polgar Responds to USCF motions to Dismiss Her Lawsuit
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Here is the posting by Bill Goichberg on this same issue. (Note that Goichberg believed at the time that the reason that Tim Sawmiller disallowed this posting was that the posting contained objectionable language. However, that was the reason why Sawmiller disallowed my posting of the response that counsel for Polgar and Truong filed to the Parker vs USCF lawsuit in Philadelphia. The reason that Sawmiller gave for not allowing this Texas filing in Polgar vs. USCF by counsel for Polgar was that the PDF file contained telephone numbers. Nevertheless, Goichberg's remarks apply to both situations.) The question here is whether the pleadings filed in court by an attorney representing a board member, Susan Polgar, in a lawsuit against the USCF, should be allowed to appear on the USCF Issues Forum: Sent at: Tue Oct 21, 2008 5:43 pm From: chessoffice To: samsloan Forum Oversight Committee Moderator Committee I'm not sure what Sam is complaining about, but it sounds as if there may have been a ruling that posting Susan Polgar's lawsuit against USCF, or a link to it, violates the AUG. I hesitate to say anything as I don't have the power or desire to give instructions, and it's up to the Moderators what to allow, but I don't think that the posting of the wording of a lawsuit involving USCF should ever be considered in violation of the AUG, even if the suit contains language that would otherwise be a violation. Once that unacceptable wording is placed into a publicly filed lawsuit, it should become acceptable for posting as part of the suit, as the suit is a legitimate USCF issue for discussion. Or at least, posting a link to the lawsuit should be acceptable. A similar situation would be if a person prominent in USCF made a baseless public attack on someone, an attack which would violate the AUG if posted by the attacker. That person should not be permitted to use the Forum to make such an attack, however if the attack was made elsewhere, say at the delegates meeting, I believe it would be proper for a poster to quote that attack on the Forum in the context of discussing the behavior of the person who made that attack. Those who make false and reckless public charges should not be protected by the AUG from having their bad behavior known to the membership. The intent of the AUG is to prevent the Forum from being used to make such charges, not to protect those who are making those charges elsewhere from discovery by the membership. Bill Goichberg On Oct 16, 2:50=A0pm, samsloan <[email protected] > wrote: > Susan Polgar has filed ten different responses to the motions by the > USCF Defendants to dismiss her lawsuit in Texas. > > Each response is a little bit different. For example, her response to > Goichberg's motion to dismiss adds new paragraphs 11, 14 and 15. > > Her response to Karl Kronenberger adds new paragraphs 13-16. > > Here is her response to the USCF's motion to dismiss. All of the other > responses are the same or add a few new paragraphs. > > http://www.anusha.com/polgar-response-to-uscf-motion.pdf > > Sam Sloan
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Date: 22 Oct 2008 20:26:59
From: samsloan
Subject: Re: Susan Polgar Responds to USCF motions to Dismiss Her Lawsuit
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[quote="Allen"]I did check the link. The last page and next to last page has personal addresses for those served. Including Sam Slaons on the next to last page.[/quote] The only personal address it has is my own address which is public knowledge since it was published in every issue of Chess Life while I was on the board. The other three addresses are the addresses of the offices of the three law firms, two of which represent the USCF, involved in the case, Susan Polgar vs. USCF. I take it that you are among those who do not want the general USCF forum membership to know about the status of this litigation. Why is that? Sam Sloan
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Date: 22 Oct 2008 16:49:00
From: samsloan
Subject: Re: Susan Polgar Responds to USCF motions to Dismiss Her Lawsuit
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[quote="tsawmiller"]Mr. Sloan, You are referring to the lawsuit link that also contained some USCF member addresses. Brian Mottershead was listed first, which was sufficient for me to disallow the post. Why don't you stop being so contrary and just post the text minus the address information? Is that REALLY so hard to do? Tim Sawmiller Chair MOC[/quote] Mr. Sawmiller, It appears that you are not even bothering to look at the document I am trying to post. In this instance, what I am attempting to post is this link: http://www.anusha.com/polgar-response-to-uscf-motion.pdf This is a link to a PDF File of a document I downloaded from PACER. It happens to contain the telephone number of the attorney who filed the document in federal court. It is not "personal information". It simply contains the public telephone number of a large law firm. It does not contain the private telephone number or the address of Brian Mottershead or of any other person. Have you even looked at it? I cannot simply delete the telephone number because it is a PDF File and a PDF File cannot be modified. I am surprised that you do not know this. How did you get to be moderator if you did not know that? That is why I write that it is absurd and ridiculous to deny this posting to the USCF Issues Forum under such a pretext. Sam Sloan
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Date: 23 Oct 2008 11:23:29
From: foad
Subject: Re: Susan Polgar Responds to USCF motions to Dismiss Her Lawsuit
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"samsloan" <[email protected] > wrote in message news:40b82d9c-f453-4d51-b21f-1cc08dde11b8@k16g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... > This is a link to a PDF File of a document I downloaded from PACER. It > happens to contain the telephone number of the attorney who filed the > document in federal court. It is not "personal information". It simply > contains the public telephone number of a large law firm. > > It does not contain the private telephone number or the address of > Brian Mottershead or of any other person. Er imbecile, it contains the names and address of the defendants on pages 11 and 12. Brian Mottershead 118 Nxxxxx Fxxxx Road Cxxxxxx, MA 01741 Brian Lafferty 111 Cxxxxx Pxxxx Lxx Mxxxxx, MA 01106 etc >Have you even looked at it? Fans of irony take note. > I cannot simply delete the telephone number because it is a PDF File > and a PDF File cannot be modified. I am surprised that you do not know > this. How did you get to be moderator if you did not know that? > > That is why I write that it is absurd and ridiculous to deny this > posting to the USCF Issues Forum under such a pretext. So to recap: you're either stupid or lying. Which is it?
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Date: 22 Oct 2008 16:08:33
From: samsloan
Subject: Re: Susan Polgar Responds to USCF motions to Dismiss Her Lawsuit
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On Oct 22, 3:19=A0pm, "foad" <[email protected] > wrote: > You seem pretty up on the status of the litigation. Obssessed even. Clear= ly > nobody's blocking your access to information. > > If the USCF thinks its in its own best interest to not provide a forum wh= ere > petty disgusting little creatures such as yourself gossip about fanciful > interpretations of made up details of an ongoing lawsuit that "has the > potential to put the USCF out of busines", I agree with them. You are the > worst. advocate. ever. I have better access to the information than any other USCF member because I am one of the 15 defendants plus I am on the service list so I get served directly with any papers and pleadings that are filed. What we have here is one moderator, Tim Sawmiller of Michigan, who consistently manufactures various pretexts under which I am not allowed to post things. In this instance, what I am attempting to post is this link: http://www.anusha.com/polgar-response-to-uscf-motion.pdf This is a link to a PDF File of a document I downloaded from PACER. It happens to contain the telephone number of the attorney who filed the document in federal court. It is not "personal information". It is simply the public telephone number of a large law firm. That is why I write that it is absurd and ridiculous to deny this posting to the USCF Issues Forum under such a pretext. Sam Sloan
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Date: 23 Oct 2008 11:17:07
From: foad
Subject: Re: Susan Polgar Responds to USCF motions to Dismiss Her Lawsuit
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"samsloan" <[email protected] > wrote in message news:fc8ae8a0-cded-45ab-98ba-5484d5b26276@u75g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... On Oct 22, 3:19 pm, "foad" <[email protected] > wrote: > You seem pretty up on the status of the litigation. Obssessed even. > Clearly > nobody's blocking your access to information. > > If the USCF thinks its in its own best interest to not provide a forum > where > petty disgusting little creatures such as yourself gossip about fanciful > interpretations of made up details of an ongoing lawsuit that "has the > potential to put the USCF out of busines", I agree with them. You are the > worst. advocate. ever. I have better access to the information than any other USCF member because I am one of the 15 defendants plus I am on the service list so I get served directly with any papers and pleadings that are filed. What we have here is one moderator, Tim Sawmiller of Michigan, who consistently manufactures various pretexts under which I am not allowed to post things. =============== If I moderated a forum I'd do the same thing. You're a nitwit, you're a liar, and you're a bore. You bring nothing to the table, you contribute nothing to the discussion, and from all available evidence here you're a petty, snivelling, coward and an appalling human being. In this instance, what I am attempting to post is this link: http://www.anusha.com/polgar-response-to-uscf-motion.pdf This is a link to a PDF File of a document I downloaded from PACER. It happens to contain the telephone number of the attorney who filed the document in federal court. It is not "personal information". It is simply the public telephone number of a large law firm. That is why I write that it is absurd and ridiculous to deny this posting to the USCF Issues Forum under such a pretext. ================== The forum rule states "Do not post . . . personal information of others." The document in question contains personal information: the names, addresses and in your case telephone number, of the various defendants. Thus you may not post it. Full stop. If this Sawmiller guy's busting your balls about it more power to him. In any event, you should stop blubbering about it, you come across as a big girl's blouse.
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Date: 22 Oct 2008 11:42:32
From: samsloan
Subject: Re: Susan Polgar Responds to USCF motions to Dismiss Her Lawsuit
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Tim Sawmiller still continues to refuse to allow a link to the pleading filed by the attorney for Susan Polgar to be posted in the USCF Issues Forum. Please note that the objection by Mr. Sawmiller to this particular posting was not that the posting contained objectionable language, and indeed it did not, but rather because the posting contained the telephone number and the address of the attorney representing Polgar in the lawsuit, Polgar vs. USCF. Mr. Sawmiller quoted the provision of the AUG which states: "Do not post phone numbers, email addresses or other personal information of others." This is quite obviously an absurd and ridiculous interpretation of the rules by Mr. Sawmiller to say that the telephone number of the law firm that filed the motion must be deleted. In addition, I wish to point out that is the USCF were a publicly traded company, the company would be REQUIRED to disclose this information to the stockholders. The Polgar vs. USCF lawsuit clearly has the potential to put the USCF out of business and the moderators should be required to let the membership know about the current status of the litigation. Sam Sloan
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Date: 22 Oct 2008 19:19:03
From: foad
Subject: Re: Susan Polgar Responds to USCF motions to Dismiss Her Lawsuit
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"samsloan" <[email protected] > wrote in message news:[email protected]... > This is quite obviously an absurd and ridiculous interpretation of the > rules by Mr. Sawmiller to say that the telephone number of the law > firm that filed the motion must be deleted. Allow me to rebut your "reasoning" completely: No. > In addition, I wish to point out that is the USCF were a publicly > traded company, the company would be REQUIRED to disclose this > information to the stockholders. And if the USCF were a pig and it had wings it'd be a flying pig. But it's not. And it's not publically traded either so you don't have a point. And even if it were REQUIRED to disclose in big capital letters the opposing attorney's phone number, which seems to be your claim, that they have a duty to post a phone number, which is absurd, even if they did, they wouldn't be REQUIRED to post it in your favorite dopey chatroom. > The Polgar vs. USCF lawsuit clearly > has the potential to put the USCF out of business and the moderators > should be required to let the membership know about the current status > of the litigation. You seem pretty up on the status of the litigation. Obssessed even. Clearly nobody's blocking your access to information. If the USCF thinks its in its own best interest to not provide a forum where petty disgusting little creatures such as yourself gossip about fanciful interpretations of made up details of an ongoing lawsuit that "has the potential to put the USCF out of busines", I agree with them. You are the worst. advocate. ever.
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Date: 19 Oct 2008 09:28:44
From: jblubaugh
Subject: Re: Susan Polgar Responds to USCF motions to Dismiss Her Lawsuit
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On Oct 19, 10:42=A0am, J=FCrgen R. <[email protected] > wrote: > > Then explain why, when Susan Polgar agreed to settle her case against > > FIDE in Polgar vs. FIDE, under which FIDE agreed to pay her attorney's > > fees only, Susan went around telling the world that she had "won" the > > case? > > > Sam Sloan > > People who usually lose cherish a rare victory disproportionately > > Why do you still run around bragging about your embarrassing > performance before the Supreme Court, even though you lost your dealer's > license? Well, Jurgen, it appears you always have comments on these kinds of things and they are always the same. Everyone is always guilty in your eyes and any attempt by them to claim they are innocent or to seek justice is embarrassing. I find you to be embarrassing with your closed eyes approach to everything. I am a bridge player who suffered an injustice and I was accused and convicted in the bridge world for something I did not do. I have taken my case to the Supreme Court and I am considering filing another round of law suits against the American Contract Bridge League. I have handicaps that Jurgen dismisses and this organization came after me for purely political motives. It seems Jurgen spews his nonsense on other forums too. JB
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Date: 31 Oct 2008 22:35:51
From: marika
Subject: Re: Susan Polgar Responds to USCF motions to Dismiss Her Lawsuit
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"jblubaugh" <[email protected] > wrote in message news:a6bb032f-6321-4468-81ea-1e08241042f4@x41g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... I am a bridge player who suffered an injustice and I was accused and convicted in the bridge world for something I did not do. I have taken my case to the Supreme Court and I am considering filing another round of law suits against the American Contract Bridge League. I have handicaps that Jurgen dismisses and this organization came after me for purely political motives. It seems Jurgen spews his nonsense on other forums too. JB -------============== bridge to nowhere mk5000 ----- Original Message ----- From: "marika" <[email protected] > Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.australian,alt.usenet.legends.lester-mosley Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 1:01 PM Subject: Re: INTERNATIONAL STUFF - Global Financial Remedy
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Date: 19 Oct 2008 06:47:27
From: samsloan
Subject: Re: Susan Polgar Responds to USCF motions to Dismiss Her Lawsuit
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On Oct 19, 9:12=A0am, "foad" <[email protected] > wrote: > "samsloan" <[email protected]> wrote in message > > news:c6adb71e-d943-471b-a8d3-8292e212f797@u28g2000hsc.googlegroups.com... > > Susan Polgar is suing the USCF and its Executive Director and its > entire Board of Directors, other than herself and her husband. Any > admission that the USCF committed any wrong doing, such as defaming or > harassing her, would consitute an admission that the Executive > Director and the other board members did those things. > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > Wrong, as usual. > > ITFP evidence of settlement is inadmissble to prove liability against the > settling party under Rule 408, much less against a non settling party. > > Compromise and Offers to Compromise > > (a) . . . not admissible ... =A0(1) furnishing or offering or promising t= o > furnish--or accepting or offering or promising to accept--a valuable > consideration in compromising or attempting to compromise the claim > > ITSP, even if admissible, which it's not, settling is not an admission of > guilt, it is a relase from liability in exchange for agreed consideration= . > Any competently drafted settlement agreement says exactly that. > > And ITTP the Board's liability is based either on administrative activiti= es > it undertook and or based upon the actions of one or some or all of the > Board members individually. So an admission by B, even if admissible, whi= ch > it isn't, and even if probative of guilt, which its not, would not taint > particular board members. That is, an admission by A that he is liable fo= r > an action by B is not proof of C's culpability. Then explain why, when Susan Polgar agreed to settle her case against FIDE in Polgar vs. FIDE, under which FIDE agreed to pay her attorney's fees only, Susan went around telling the world that she had "won" the case? Sam Sloan
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Date: 19 Oct 2008 16:42:44
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=FCrgen_R.?=
Subject: AW: Susan Polgar Responds to USCF motions to Dismiss Her Lawsuit
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> > Then explain why, when Susan Polgar agreed to settle her case against > FIDE in Polgar vs. FIDE, under which FIDE agreed to pay her attorney's > fees only, Susan went around telling the world that she had "won" the > case? > > Sam Sloan People who usually lose cherish a rare victory disproportionately Why do you still run around bragging about your embarrassing performance before the Supreme Court, even though you lost your dealer's license?
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Date: 19 Oct 2008 14:34:59
From: foad
Subject: Re: Susan Polgar Responds to USCF motions to Dismiss Her Lawsuit
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"samsloan" <[email protected] > wrote in message news:[email protected]... On Oct 19, 9:12 am, "foad" <[email protected] > wrote: > "samsloan" <[email protected]> wrote in message > > news:c6adb71e-d943-471b-a8d3-8292e212f797@u28g2000hsc.googlegroups.com... > > Susan Polgar is suing the USCF and its Executive Director and its > entire Board of Directors, other than herself and her husband. Any > admission that the USCF committed any wrong doing, such as defaming or > harassing her, would consitute an admission that the Executive > Director and the other board members did those things. > > =========== > > Wrong, as usual. > > ITFP evidence of settlement is inadmissble to prove liability against the > settling party under Rule 408, much less against a non settling party. > > Compromise and Offers to Compromise > > (a) . . . not admissible ... (1) furnishing or offering or promising to > furnish--or accepting or offering or promising to accept--a valuable > consideration in compromising or attempting to compromise the claim > > ITSP, even if admissible, which it's not, settling is not an admission of > guilt, it is a relase from liability in exchange for agreed consideration. > Any competently drafted settlement agreement says exactly that. > > And ITTP the Board's liability is based either on administrative > activities > it undertook and or based upon the actions of one or some or all of the > Board members individually. So an admission by B, even if admissible, > which > it isn't, and even if probative of guilt, which its not, would not taint > particular board members. That is, an admission by A that he is liable for > an action by B is not proof of C's culpability. Then explain why, when Susan Polgar agreed to settle her case against FIDE in Polgar vs. FIDE, under which FIDE agreed to pay her attorney's fees only, Susan went around telling the world that she had "won" the case? ========= I realize that Susan Polgar is your Jesus, but in the real world anything she might have said doesn't effect the federal rules of evidence. You have the critical thinking skills of a sea cucumber. If you weren't such a pompous buffoon you'd be pathetic, nearly.
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Date: 18 Oct 2008 09:50:31
From: samsloan
Subject: Re: Susan Polgar Responds to USCF motions to Dismiss Her Lawsuit
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On Oct 18, 11:12=A0am, "foad" <[email protected] > wrote: > "samsloan" <[email protected]> wrote in message > > news:4bcc9f56-12a0-4f43-9e67-ebcd5ae59a45@l77g2000hse.googlegroups.com... > On Oct 18, 8:34 am, raylopez99 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > On Oct 16, 11:50 am, samsloan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >http://www.anusha.com/polgar-response-to-uscf-motion.pdf > > > Sheez! People actually read these forums? I thought this place was > > dead. No wonder she's asking for $1 damages. A tempest in a teapot; > > nobody really cares. > > >http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/08/nyregion/08chess.html?_r=3D1&oref=3Dsl= ogin > > > Sam (if you're really Sam) do you or do you not appear in a photo with > > this gentleman, N. T. Whitaker, sitting on his knee? It's been > > reproduced in a book on his life. State for the record please. > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Tweed_Whitaker > > > RL > > Susan Polgar is asking for $25 million in damages, not $1 in damages. > > She offered to settle her suit against the USCF (but not against the > individual defendants) for $1 plus an apology from the USCF for all of > the grievous wrongs done to her. This was obviously just a ploy. If > the USCF confessed to these supposedly terrible things, then the > individual defendants would be on the hook. > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > Wrong as usual. Settlement by a joint tortfeasor is not an admission by a > codefendant. The settlement in fact reduces the codefendants liability, i= f > any, by the amount of the settlement. Susan Polgar is suing the USCF and its Executive Director and its entire Board of Directors, other than herself and her husband. Any admission that the USCF committed any wrong doing, such as defaming or harassing her, would consitute an admission that the Executive Director and the other board members did those things. Sam Sloan
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Date: 19 Oct 2008 13:12:28
From: foad
Subject: Re: Susan Polgar Responds to USCF motions to Dismiss Her Lawsuit
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"samsloan" <[email protected] > wrote in message news:c6adb71e-d943-471b-a8d3-8292e212f797@u28g2000hsc.googlegroups.com... Susan Polgar is suing the USCF and its Executive Director and its entire Board of Directors, other than herself and her husband. Any admission that the USCF committed any wrong doing, such as defaming or harassing her, would consitute an admission that the Executive Director and the other board members did those things. =========== Wrong, as usual. ITFP evidence of settlement is inadmissble to prove liability against the settling party under Rule 408, much less against a non settling party. Compromise and Offers to Compromise (a) . . . not admissible ... (1) furnishing or offering or promising to furnish--or accepting or offering or promising to accept--a valuable consideration in compromising or attempting to compromise the claim ITSP, even if admissible, which it's not, settling is not an admission of guilt, it is a relase from liability in exchange for agreed consideration. Any competently drafted settlement agreement says exactly that. And ITTP the Board's liability is based either on administrative activities it undertook and or based upon the actions of one or some or all of the Board members individually. So an admission by B, even if admissible, which it isn't, and even if probative of guilt, which its not, would not taint particular board members. That is, an admission by A that he is liable for an action by B is not proof of C's culpability.
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Date: 18 Oct 2008 07:29:06
From: samsloan
Subject: Re: Susan Polgar Responds to USCF motions to Dismiss Her Lawsuit
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On Oct 18, 10:14=A0am, samsloan <[email protected] > wrote: > On Oct 18, 8:34=A0am, raylopez99 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > On Oct 16, 11:50=A0am, samsloan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >http://www.anusha.com/polgar-response-to-uscf-motion.pdf > > > Sheez! =A0People actually read these forums? =A0I thought this place wa= s > > dead. =A0No wonder she's asking for $1 damages. =A0A tempest in a teapo= t; > > nobody really cares. > > >http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/08/nyregion/08chess.html?_r=3D1&oref=3Dsl= ogin > > > Sam (if you're really Sam) do you or do you not appear in a photo with > > this gentleman, N. T. Whitaker, sitting on his knee? =A0It's been > > reproduced in a book on his life. =A0State for the record please. > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Tweed_Whitaker > > > RL > > Susan Polgar is asking for $25 million in damages, not $1 in damages. > > She offered to settle her suit against the USCF (but not against the > individual defendants) for $1 plus an apology from the USCF for all of > the grievous wrongs done to her. This was obviously just a ploy. If > the USCF confessed to these supposedly terrible things, then the > individual defendants would be on the hook. > > Note that she is suing but for defamation but when asked what > defamatory words were spoken or written against her, she replies that > she does not know but when she has access to the archives then she > will be able to find out what bad things have been said about her. > > Sam Sloan Please note paragraph 3 of her response. It states: 3. Defendant=92s claim that Plaintiff failed to state a claim for defamation because the pleadings fail to provide specific examples and because =93Plaintiff has chosen to sue so many Defendants, Plaintiff needed to specifically state whatever Defendant did or said, when such alleged acts were done and how Plaintiff was damaged by said alleged acts=94 is untenable. Defendant=92s argument is not supported by law, and Defendant=92s claim improperly heightens the =93short and plain statement= =94 pleading requirements of Rule 8. FED. R. CIV. P. 8(a). Plaintiff clearly indicated in Part XVIII of her original petition that the defamatory statements made by defendants are contained in electronic form in archives controlled by Defendants; therefore, Plaintiff=92s ability to state Defendant=92s defamatory statements =93specifically=94is dependant on her access to these archives. In other words, Polgar is claiming that she should be allowed to search the archives so that she can try to find something defamatory said or written about her. Sam Sloan
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Date: 18 Oct 2008 07:14:39
From: samsloan
Subject: Re: Susan Polgar Responds to USCF motions to Dismiss Her Lawsuit
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On Oct 18, 8:34=A0am, raylopez99 <[email protected] > wrote: > On Oct 16, 11:50=A0am, samsloan <[email protected]> wrote: > > >http://www.anusha.com/polgar-response-to-uscf-motion.pdf > > Sheez! =A0People actually read these forums? =A0I thought this place was > dead. =A0No wonder she's asking for $1 damages. =A0A tempest in a teapot; > nobody really cares. > > http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/08/nyregion/08chess.html?_r=3D1&oref=3Dslo= gin > > Sam (if you're really Sam) do you or do you not appear in a photo with > this gentleman, N. T. Whitaker, sitting on his knee? =A0It's been > reproduced in a book on his life. =A0State for the record please. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Tweed_Whitaker > > RL Susan Polgar is asking for $25 million in damages, not $1 in damages. She offered to settle her suit against the USCF (but not against the individual defendants) for $1 plus an apology from the USCF for all of the grievous wrongs done to her. This was obviously just a ploy. If the USCF confessed to these supposedly terrible things, then the individual defendants would be on the hook. Note that she is suing but for defamation but when asked what defamatory words were spoken or written against her, she replies that she does not know but when she has access to the archives then she will be able to find out what bad things have been said about her. Sam Sloan
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Date: 18 Oct 2008 15:12:30
From: foad
Subject: Re: Susan Polgar Responds to USCF motions to Dismiss Her Lawsuit
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"samsloan" <[email protected] > wrote in message news:4bcc9f56-12a0-4f43-9e67-ebcd5ae59a45@l77g2000hse.googlegroups.com... On Oct 18, 8:34 am, raylopez99 <[email protected] > wrote: > On Oct 16, 11:50 am, samsloan <[email protected]> wrote: > > >http://www.anusha.com/polgar-response-to-uscf-motion.pdf > > Sheez! People actually read these forums? I thought this place was > dead. No wonder she's asking for $1 damages. A tempest in a teapot; > nobody really cares. > > http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/08/nyregion/08chess.html?_r=1&oref=slogin > > Sam (if you're really Sam) do you or do you not appear in a photo with > this gentleman, N. T. Whitaker, sitting on his knee? It's been > reproduced in a book on his life. State for the record please. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Tweed_Whitaker > > RL Susan Polgar is asking for $25 million in damages, not $1 in damages. She offered to settle her suit against the USCF (but not against the individual defendants) for $1 plus an apology from the USCF for all of the grievous wrongs done to her. This was obviously just a ploy. If the USCF confessed to these supposedly terrible things, then the individual defendants would be on the hook. ==================== Wrong as usual. Settlement by a joint tortfeasor is not an admission by a codefendant. The settlement in fact reduces the codefendants liability, if any, by the amount of the settlement.
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Date: 18 Oct 2008 05:34:55
From: raylopez99
Subject: Re: Susan Polgar Responds to USCF motions to Dismiss Her Lawsuit
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On Oct 16, 11:50=A0am, samsloan <[email protected] > wrote: > http://www.anusha.com/polgar-response-to-uscf-motion.pdf > Sheez! People actually read these forums? I thought this place was dead. No wonder she's asking for $1 damages. A tempest in a teapot; nobody really cares. http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/08/nyregion/08chess.html?_r=3D1&oref=3Dslogi= n Sam (if you're really Sam) do you or do you not appear in a photo with this gentleman, N. T. Whitaker, sitting on his knee? It's been reproduced in a book on his life. State for the record please. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Tweed_Whitaker RL
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