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Date: 28 Oct 2007 16:22:53
From: samsloan
Subject: Polgar Wars: Polgar Group Declares Victory
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I find it amazing when those who are a queen down in the endgame claim
that they are winning when the rest of the world can see that they are
losing.
Remember, during the Invasion of Iraq there was this official Iraq
government spokesman dubbed by the press as "Baghdad Bob" who daily
showed up for his TV interview in which he would claim that the
American forces were being decimated, driven back, wiped out,
surrounded, had no way to escape and so on, when in reality the
American forces were advancing rapidly, winning every battle (if you
could even call them battles). Even when the American forces had
entered Saddam's Hussein's palaces and set up offices there, Baghdad
Bob was still on TV claiming that the Americans had been utterly
destroyed.
Now, we are having the same sort of things going on here in the Polgar
Wars. The Polgar Group has taken to declaring victory. Kind of reminds
one of the way that George W. Bush declared the "end of hostilities"
in Iraq. Here are some examples:
gregory on Fri Oct 26, 2007 4:43 pm #75593
I see that you too are upset that your evidence and case is falling
apart Sam.
Last edited by gregory on Fri Oct 26, 2007 4:44 pm, edited 1 time in
total.
Gregory Alexander
http://susanpolgar.blogspot.com/2007/10/saturday-open-forum_27.html
Things are really looking bad to Sloan and his supporters, isn't it?
http://goddesschess.blogspot.com/
Saturday, October 27, 2007 4:38:00 PM
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Date: 29 Oct 2007 12:28:06
From: samsloan
Subject: Re: Polgar Wars: Polgar Group Declares Victory
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The goddesschess comment is at:
http://goddesschess.blogspot.com/2007/10/susan-polgar.html
I have just posted two comments and I am waiting to see if she will
respond, or if she will just delete my comments in the style of her
hero, Susan Polgar.
Meanwhile, I am wondering if Janet Newton is a USCF Member. Her name
is not listed in the MSA. Possibly she is a parent member. She
certainly seems interested in chess. She has a blog about "Chess News
about Women". She donated a $300 brilliancy prize to the US Woman's
Championship, which eventually got paid after some mishaps and the
usual messups by Bill Hall, our Executive Director who somehow forgot
about the money. (He seems to have problems with things like that.)
I am remembering that when I first got involved with Susan Polgar in
Budapest Hungary in 1986, it seemed that she was constantly at war
with the entire Hungarian Chess Federation and had no friends and
allies and indeed she seemed to be at war with the entire country of
Hungary as well. At that time, I had only heard her side of the story
and she seemed to be in the right and I could not understand why so
many people seemed to have so much against her.
I never really get to hear the other side of the story, but it seems
that history is repeating itself and again we have the situation of
Polgar vs. The Rest of the World (save a few remaining supporters like
Janet Newton).
Sam Sloan
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Date: 29 Oct 2007 13:19:58
From: gilgames
Subject: Re: Polgar Wars: Polgar Group Declares Victory
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Do not crosspost
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Date: 28 Oct 2007 22:52:01
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Polgar Wars: Polgar Group Declares Victory
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On Oct 29, 8:50 am, help bot <[email protected] > wrote:
> On Oct 28, 11:22 am, samsloan <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > I find it amazing when those who are a queen down in the endgame claim
> > that they are winning when the rest of the world can see that they are
> > losing.
>
> > Remember, during the Invasion of Iraq there was this official Iraq
> > government spokesman dubbed by the press as "Baghdad Bob" who daily
> > showed up for his TV interview in which he would claim that the
> > American forces were being decimated, driven back, wiped out,
> > surrounded, had no way to escape and so on, when in reality the
> > American forces were advancing rapidly, winning every battle (if you
> > could even call them battles). Even when the American forces had
> > entered Saddam's Hussein's palaces and set up offices there, Baghdad
> > Bob was still on TV claiming that the Americans had been utterly
> > destroyed.
>
> This is a bit subtle, but apparently, correct. After convincing
> the enemy that they are "on top" and "in control" by allowing
> them to sit on top of your belly and pound your arms and sides
> with their fists, only THEN are you in a position to gain control
> of the situation, to lull them into a false sense of security and
> launch a decisive counter attack. Some call it jujitsu, others
> call it rope-a-dope.
>
> > Now, we are having the same sort of things going on here in the Polgar
> > Wars. The Polgar Group has taken to declaring victory. Kind of reminds
> > one of the way that George W. Bush declared the "end of hostilities"
> > in Iraq. Here are some examples:
>
> I heard that GB hung up a sign which read "MISSION
> ACCOMPLISHED!", while others hung one that read
> "BLOOD FOR OIL".
>
> > gregory on Fri Oct 26, 2007 4:43 pm #75593
> > I see that you too are upset that your evidence and case is falling
> > apart Sam.
>
> > Last edited by gregory on Fri Oct 26, 2007 4:44 pm, edited 1 time in
> > total.
> > Gregory Alexander
>
> >http://susanpolgar.blogspot.com/2007/10/saturday-open-forum_27.html
>
> > Things are really looking bad to Sloan and his supporters, isn't it?
>
> >http://goddesschess.blogspot.com/
>
> > Saturday, October 27, 2007 4:38:00 PM
>
> I expect the SS case to fail via some technicality, or
> because he may be unable to show that his reputation or
> the USCF election was seriously affected -- or something
> like that. But even if so, it may not have been in vain if
> just one slimeball is rooted out of the USCF establishment
> for good. But for that to happen, it may require a certain
> degree of competence... and thus, I am not holding my
> breath.
>
> -- help bot
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Date: 29 Oct 2007 04:42:40
From: gilgames
Subject: Re: Polgar Wars: Polgar Group Declares Victory
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Do not crosspost
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Date: 29 Oct 2007 12:45:17
From: Kenneth Sloan
Subject: Re: Polgar Wars: Polgar Group Declares Victory
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gilgames wrote:
> Do not crosspost
Good idea, Guy.
--
Kenneth Sloan [email protected]
Computer and Information Sciences +1-205-932-2213
University of Alabama at Birmingham FAX +1-205-934-5473
Birmingham, AL 35294-1170 http://KennethRSloan.com/
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Date: 28 Oct 2007 20:50:20
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Polgar Wars: Polgar Group Declares Victory
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On Oct 28, 11:22 am, samsloan <[email protected] > wrote:
> I find it amazing when those who are a queen down in the endgame claim
> that they are winning when the rest of the world can see that they are
> losing.
>
> Remember, during the Invasion of Iraq there was this official Iraq
> government spokesman dubbed by the press as "Baghdad Bob" who daily
> showed up for his TV interview in which he would claim that the
> American forces were being decimated, driven back, wiped out,
> surrounded, had no way to escape and so on, when in reality the
> American forces were advancing rapidly, winning every battle (if you
> could even call them battles). Even when the American forces had
> entered Saddam's Hussein's palaces and set up offices there, Baghdad
> Bob was still on TV claiming that the Americans had been utterly
> destroyed.
This is a bit subtle, but apparently, correct. After convincing
the enemy that they are "on top" and "in control" by allowing
them to sit on top of your belly and pound your arms and sides
with their fists, only THEN are you in a position to gain control
of the situation, to lull them into a false sense of security and
launch a decisive counter attack. Some call it jujitsu, others
call it rope-a-dope.
> Now, we are having the same sort of things going on here in the Polgar
> Wars. The Polgar Group has taken to declaring victory. Kind of reminds
> one of the way that George W. Bush declared the "end of hostilities"
> in Iraq. Here are some examples:
I heard that GB hung up a sign which read "MISSION
ACCOMPLISHED!", while others hung one that read
"BLOOD FOR OIL".
> gregory on Fri Oct 26, 2007 4:43 pm #75593
> I see that you too are upset that your evidence and case is falling
> apart Sam.
>
> Last edited by gregory on Fri Oct 26, 2007 4:44 pm, edited 1 time in
> total.
> Gregory Alexander
>
> http://susanpolgar.blogspot.com/2007/10/saturday-open-forum_27.html
>
> Things are really looking bad to Sloan and his supporters, isn't it?
>
> http://goddesschess.blogspot.com/
>
> Saturday, October 27, 2007 4:38:00 PM
I expect the SS case to fail via some technicality, or
because he may be unable to show that his reputation or
the USCF election was seriously affected -- or something
like that. But even if so, it may not have been in vain if
just one slimeball is rooted out of the USCF establishment
for good. But for that to happen, it may require a certain
degree of competence... and thus, I am not holding my
breath.
-- help bot
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Date: 29 Oct 2007 04:42:06
From: gilgames
Subject: Re: Polgar Wars: Polgar Group Declares Victory
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Stop crossposting
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Date: 28 Oct 2007 12:25:45
From:
Subject: Re: Polgar Wars: Polgar Group Declares Victory
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On Oct 28, 12:56 pm, "Chess One" <[email protected] > wrote:
> I find it amazing when those who are a queen down in the endgame claim
> that they are winning when the rest of the world can see that they are
> losing.
>
> **Three pawns down, in a losing endgame, Sam Sloan relies on a dozen
> opposite colored lawyering advocates posturing away in a usenet kangaroo
> trial, to maybe get a draw? Common decency, plus the rule of law seemingly
> being the objectionable game of the Polgar Gang.
>
> <comparison ot War in Iraq, snipped>
>
> <active complaints to alt.chess,rec.games.chess.computer,soc.culture.magyar
> also snipped, since Sam Sloan continues to find their objections to
> cross-posting 'amazing'>
>
> Now, we are having the same sort of things going on here in the Polgar
> Wars. The Polgar Group has taken to declaring victory. Kind of reminds
> one of the way that George W. Bush declared the "end of hostilities"
> in Iraq. Here are some examples:
>
> **A shame to abbreviate such deep thinking - but the loser here is chess
> itself. There can be no winners, unless these witless actions for which
> Sloan himself is a sacrificial pawn, represent an eventual leveling of the
> federation itself - so what is both good and bad about it, all dissapear.
>
> **What else Sam Sloan cares for than himself is entirely unknown, since he
> has never written a disinterested comment about chess in his life. He is
> either the Hero, or, if frustrated in the latest attempt [some 1,000 heroic
> actions this past year alone], then some others are proven the very Devil's
> deisciples for frustrating him, with their... sobriety?
>
> Phil Innes
> Vermont
Phil
Stop this: "Common decency, plus the rule of law seemingly
being the objectionable game of the Polgar Gang."
Paul Troung has threateend to kill me, about 20 times. These people
understand nothing but
hatred. IT's high time they learn to take what they dish out. I reject
your statement.
cus Roberts
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Date: 28 Oct 2007 19:38:32
From: Chess One
Subject: Re: Polgar Wars: Polgar Group Declares Victory
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<[email protected] > wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Phil
>
> Stop this: "Common decency, plus the rule of law seemingly
> being the objectionable game of the Polgar Gang."
>
> Paul Troung has threateend to kill me, about 20 times.
You are lucky he isn't me, since I never threaten anyone 20 times with
anything that could get be locked up.
> These people
> understand nothing but
> hatred. IT's high time they learn to take what they dish out. I reject
> your statement.
That's fine with me. You still love me? <rofl >
I mean, you doubt my judgement, which is fine with me, since I am not out to
convert anyone to any cause - but like any fallible being want to say, "I
see this", and witness my own perspective on things, right or wrong - what
can anyone do otherwise?
In respect of Dr. Moskow's millions, I don't vary that perspective very much
at all - although to be fair - no-one ever offered me millions to do
anything, so I am untested in this respect.
But what you should know, cus, is that no one ever offered me 10 cents
either.
I once described myself to a Prince of a realm as 'independently poor'.
<this was a really funny comment to him, and we talked long after >
I do not mind we disagree.
Cordially, Phil Innes
> cus Roberts
>
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Date: 28 Oct 2007 18:39:21
From: gilgames
Subject: Re: Polgar Wars: Polgar Group Declares Victory
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Do not crosaspost
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Date: 28 Oct 2007 17:56:44
From: Chess One
Subject: Re: Polgar Wars: Polgar Group Declares Victory
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I find it amazing when those who are a queen down in the endgame claim
that they are winning when the rest of the world can see that they are
losing.
**Three pawns down, in a losing endgame, Sam Sloan relies on a dozen
opposite colored lawyering advocates posturing away in a usenet kangaroo
trial, to maybe get a draw? Common decency, plus the rule of law seemingly
being the objectionable game of the Polgar Gang.
<comparison ot War in Iraq, snipped >
<active complaints to alt.chess,rec.games.chess.computer,soc.culture.magyar
also snipped, since Sam Sloan continues to find their objections to
cross-posting 'amazing' >
Now, we are having the same sort of things going on here in the Polgar
Wars. The Polgar Group has taken to declaring victory. Kind of reminds
one of the way that George W. Bush declared the "end of hostilities"
in Iraq. Here are some examples:
**A shame to abbreviate such deep thinking - but the loser here is chess
itself. There can be no winners, unless these witless actions for which
Sloan himself is a sacrificial pawn, represent an eventual leveling of the
federation itself - so what is both good and bad about it, all dissapear.
**What else Sam Sloan cares for than himself is entirely unknown, since he
has never written a disinterested comment about chess in his life. He is
either the Hero, or, if frustrated in the latest attempt [some 1,000 heroic
actions this past year alone], then some others are proven the very Devil's
deisciples for frustrating him, with their... sobriety?
Phil Innes
Vermont
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