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Date: 05 Jan 2005 03:49:24
From: RobertA289
Subject: Opening question
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As soon as I got into The Ideas Behind the Chess Openings by Reuben Fine, I
reached a point in which I was confused. The first opening, the Centre Game is
shown as 1. e4 e5 2. d4 exd4 3. Qxd4 Nc6 4. Qe3 Nf6 5. Nc3 Be7
6. Bd2 d5 7. exd5 Nxd5 8. Nxd5 Qxd5 9. Ne2 Bg4 10. Nf4 Qd7
11. f3 O-O-O.
The next move white castles queenside. However, I do not see a problem with
taking the bishop with the f-pawn. I'm sure that the reason is an obvious one,
but I can not find a move for black to even the advantage, and being confused
by the first opening is rather embarassing. If anyone has the answer to my
problem, please help
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Date: 05 Jan 2005 09:07:17
From: Chad J. Cox
Subject: Re: Opening question
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On 05 Jan 2005 03:49:24 GMT, [email protected] (RobertA289) wrote:
>As soon as I got into The Ideas Behind the Chess Openings by Reuben Fine, I
>reached a point in which I was confused. The first opening, the Centre Game is
>shown as 1. e4 e5 2. d4 exd4 3. Qxd4 Nc6 4. Qe3 Nf6 5. Nc3 Be7
> 6. Bd2 d5 7. exd5 Nxd5 8. Nxd5 Qxd5 9. Ne2 Bg4 10. Nf4 Qd7
> 11. f3 O-O-O.
>The next move white castles queenside. However, I do not see a problem with
>taking the bishop with the f-pawn. I'm sure that the reason is an obvious one,
>but I can not find a move for black to even the advantage, and being confused
>by the first opening is rather embarassing. If anyone has the answer to my
>problem, please help
12. fxg4 Bh4+
13. g3 Rhe8
The Queen is forcefully lost.
This game was played in 1930 between Mir Sultan Khan and Frank James
Marshall. On move 12 white chose to castle long and eventually won the
game. The annotated game is below, courtesy of Chessbase.
[Event "Liege"]
[Site "Liege"]
[Date "1930.??.??"]
[Round "4"]
[White "Sultan Khan, Mir"]
[Black "Marshall, Frank James"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "C22"]
[Annotator "ChessBase"]
[PlyCount "51"]
[EventDate "1930.??.??"]
[EventType "tourn"]
[EventRounds "11"]
[EventCountry "BEL"]
[Source "ChessBase"]
1. e4 e5 2. d4 exd4 3. Qxd4 Nc6 4. Qe3 Nf6 5. Nc3 (5. Be2 Qe7 (5...
Be7 6. e5
Nd5 7. Qg3 g6 8. Nf3 d6 9. O-O O-O 10. Bh6 $16 {Smolenski-Vzdorov,corr
1965}) (
5... Bb4+ $2 6. c3 Ba5 7. e5 Nd5 8. Qg3 Qe7 $1 (8... O-O 9. Bh6) 9.
Nf3 f6 10.
exf6 (10. Bc4 Nb6 11. Bd3 Nd5 (11... fxe5 $1 12. b4 e4 13. Kd1 $132)
12. Be4
Nb6 13. Bxc6 bxc6 14. b4 {Tarrasch}) 10... Nxf6 11. Be3 d6 12. Nbd2
Be6 (12...
Bd7 $142) 13. Ng5 Bd7 14. O-O O-O 15. Rae1 h6 16. Nh3 Bxh3 17. Qxh3
Qf7 (17...
Qd7 18. Bc4+ {/\Be6}) 18. Bd1 Kh8 19. Bb3 d5 20. Nf3 $16
{Paulsen-Tarrasch}) 6.
Nc3 d5 7. exd5 Nb4 8. Bd3 Nfxd5 $15 {Mason-Schlechter,Paris 1900}) (5.
e5 Ng4
6. Qe2 (6. Qe4 d5 7. exd6+ Be6 8. Ba6 (8. dxc7 Qd1+ $1) 8... Qxd6 9.
Bxb7 Qb4+
10. Qxb4 Nxb4 11. Na3 Rb8 $15 {Mieses-Burn,Wroclaw 1912}) 6... d6
(6... d5 7.
h3 Ngxe5 (7... Nh6 8. Bxh6 gxh6 9. Nf3 $14) 8. f4 $14) 7. f3 (7. h3
Ngxe5 $1 8.
f4 Qh4+ 9. Kd1 Nd4 10. Qe4 Qf2 $17) (7. exd6+ Be6 $15 8. dxc7 Qxc7 9.
Nf3 (9.
h3 Nge5 $1 10. Nc3 O-O-O 11. Bd2 Bc4 $17) 9... Bc5 10. Be3 Nxe3 11.
fxe3 O-O
$17 {Makovec-Maroczy,Budapest 1895}) 7... Nh6 (7... Ngxe5 $6 8. f4 Nd4
9. Qe4
c5 10. Na3 $1 (10. fxe5 $6 d5 $1 {/\Bf5}) 10... Bf5 (10... Qh4+ 11. g3
Qg4 12.
Bg2 $1) 11. Qe3 Bxc2 (11... Qa5+ 12. Kf2 $1) 12. fxe5 Qh4+ 13. Kd2
$16) 8. Bxh6
(8. exd6+ Be6 9. dxc7 Qxc7 $17) 8... Qh4+ $15) (5. Bd2 {-- >
Marosi-Majdanics})
(5. Bc4 Bb4+ 6. c3 (6. Bd2 O-O 7. Ne2 d5 $17) 6... Ba5 7. Nf3 Bb6 8.
Qf4 $15)
5... Be7 (5... d6 6. Bd2 Be7 7. O-O-O O-O 8. Qg3 a6 9. f4 $14 {
Hase-Karpov,Skoplje(ol) 1972}) (5... Bb4 {-- > Kupreichik-Estrin}) 6.
Bd2 (6.
Bc4 Nb4 (6... O-O 7. Bd2 (7. Nge2 $2 Ng4 8. Qd2 Bc5 9. Nd1 Qe7 10. f3
Qh4+ 11.
g3 Nge5 $1 12. gxh4 Nxf3+ 13. Kf1 d5 $1 $17
{Troianescu-Spasski,Bucuresti 1953}
) 7... d6 8. O-O-O Be6 $10) 7. Qd2 (7. Bb3 d5) 7... O-O (7... c6 8. a3
d5 9.
Bb3 d4 10. Nce2 Na6 11. e5 Nd7 12. Nf3 $14 {Gusev-Borisenko,USSR
1955}) 8. a3
Nc6 9. Nge2 Bc5 10. b4 Bb6 11. Bb2 a5 12. O-O $10
{Soloviev-Judovich,USSR 1955}
) (6. Qg3 O-O (6... Nb4 $5) 7. Bh6 Ne8 8. Bf4 d6 9. O-O-O Be6 10. h4
Bf6 11.
Bg5 Qd7 12. Nd5 Bxd5 13. exd5 $14 {Winawer-Janovski,Nuernberg 1896})
6... d5 (
6... O-O 7. O-O-O d5) 7. exd5 Nxd5 8. Nxd5 (8. Qg3 Nxc3 9. Bxc3 Bf6
$15 {
Chigorin-Znosko_Borovski,Peterburg 1906}) 8... Qxd5 9. Ne2 (9. Nf3 $5)
9... Bg4
(9... O-O 10. Nc3 Qc5 $10 {Tartakower-Rellstab,Kemeri 1937}) 10. Nf4
Qd7 11. f3
O-O-O 12. O-O-O (12. fxg4 $6 Bh4+ 13. Kd1 Rhe8 14. Qd3 Qxg4+ 15. Be2
Rxe2 $1
16. Qxe2 Qxf4 17. Kc1 Nd4 $17) 12... Rhe8 $2 (12... Bf5 13. Bd3 Bf6
$15) 13.
fxg4 Bb4 (13... Bg5) 14. Qf2 $16 Bc5 15. Qf3 Re3 16. Qd5 Qe7 17. Qf5+
Kb8 18.
Nd3 Rdxd3 19. Bxd3 Nd4 20. Qxh7 a6 21. Bxe3 Qxe3+ 22. Kb1 Nc6 23. Qe4
Qh6 24.
c3 Bd6 25. h4 Ne5 26. Bc2 1-0
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Date: 05 Jan 2005 12:22:08
From: David Richerby
Subject: Re: Opening question
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[email protected] (RobertA289) wrote:
> As soon as I got into The Ideas Behind the Chess Openings by Reuben
> Fine, I reached a point in which I was confused. The first opening,
> the Centre Game is shown as 1.e4 e5 2.d4 exd4 3.Qxd4 Nc6 4.Qe3 Nf6
> 5.Nc3 Be7 6.Bd2 d5 7.exd5 Nxd5 8.Nxd5 Qxd5 9.Ne2 Bg4 10.Nf4 Qd7 11.f3
> O-O-O.
>
> The next move white castles queenside. However, I do not see a problem
> with taking the bishop with the f-pawn.
Other people have supplied the winning lines for Black if white takes the
bishop. The advice to consider checks and pins is good.
I'm surprised that Fine, writing in a book for beginners would describe
those moves as `quite normal' with no comment when Black apparently hangs
a bishop, especially when he remarks on White's 7.Ne2 `White must not
castle because his a-pawn is undefended'. Surely, anyone who needs to be
told that a pawn will hang if the rook moves needs at least a hint about
why he's written `11... O-O-O! [...] and Black has freer development'
rather than `11... O-O-O?? 12.fxg4 Black is a piece down and should
consider resigning' ?
Dave.
--
David Richerby Flammable Windows (TM): it's like a
www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~davidr/ graphical user interface but it burns
really easily!
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Date: 05 Jan 2005 04:40:42
From: Ed Seedhouse
Subject: Re: Opening question
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On 05 Jan 2005 03:49:24 GMT, [email protected] (RobertA289) wrote:
>As soon as I got into The Ideas Behind the Chess Openings by Reuben Fine, I
>reached a point in which I was confused. The first opening, the Centre Game is
>shown as 1. e4 e5 2. d4 exd4 3. Qxd4 Nc6 4. Qe3 Nf6 5. Nc3 Be7
> 6. Bd2 d5 7. exd5 Nxd5 8. Nxd5 Qxd5 9. Ne2 Bg4 10. Nf4 Qd7
> 11. f3 O-O-O.
>The next move white castles queenside. However, I do not see a problem with
>taking the bishop with the f-pawn. I'm sure that the reason is an obvious one,
>but I can not find a move for black to even the advantage, and being confused
>by the first opening is rather embarassing. If anyone has the answer to my
>problem, please help
A good hint, is to always examine checks. For instance after 12 fg
bh4+ suggests itself since it opens the K file so that a black R may
come over and pin the white Queen.
So, 12. fg?? bg4+ and if 13 b3 then Rhe8 wins white's Queen. Or 13
Kd1 Rhe8 14 Qd3 (Qb3?? Re1##) Qxg4+ with a powerful and probably
winning attack, definitely worth the material invested and more. Take
the time to do a little analysis to convince yourself of this.
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Date: 04 Jan 2005 20:29:29
From: Mike Murray
Subject: Re: Opening question
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On 05 Jan 2005 03:49:24 GMT, [email protected] (RobertA289) wrote:
>As soon as I got into The Ideas Behind the Chess Openings by Reuben Fine, I
>reached a point in which I was confused. The first opening, the Centre Game is
>shown as 1. e4 e5 2. d4 exd4 3. Qxd4 Nc6 4. Qe3 Nf6 5. Nc3 Be7
> 6. Bd2 d5 7. exd5 Nxd5 8. Nxd5 Qxd5 9. Ne2 Bg4 10. Nf4 Qd7
> 11. f3 O-O-O.
>The next move white castles queenside. However, I do not see a problem with
>taking the bishop with the f-pawn. I'm sure that the reason is an obvious one,
>but I can not find a move for black to even the advantage, and being confused
>by the first opening is rather embarassing. If anyone has the answer to my
>problem, please help
It might not be all that obvious to us guppies, but Fritz wasn't
confused.
12 PxB B-R5ch and if P-N3? the Queen gets pinned. So the King has to
move 13 K-Q1 KR-K1 and the Queen can't move away from the QB because
of mate. If 14 Q-QB3 R-K8mate because the Bish is pinned. So 14 Q-Q3
seems forced and now QxNPch when 15 Q-KB3 fails to R-K8 mate again.
So 15 B-K2 is forced, but after 15 ... RxB!, 16 QxR/2 QxN, white can't
play 17 P-KN3 because of RxBch, 18 QxR Q-B6ch snagging the Rook.
White's game sucks. Black's already has a Pawn for the exchange and
will probably win something else soon.
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