November 3-4, 2007 USCF Executive Board Meeting

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Date: 05 Nov 2007 16:47:11
From: Sam Sloan
Subject: November 3-4, 2007 USCF Executive Board Meeting

[quote="mnibb"]This can probably be directed to Mike Nolan about some
of the rambling conversation I heard on the web cast today. Someone
during the early conversation about rating the FIDE events was talking
about pricing. They were talking something about some "back of the
envelope calculations" of what it costs to rate a game being about
$.25 - $.30 being this being the cause for raising the fees for rating
games this December.

If todays ramblings are any indication of the way the EB has
traditionally done business and the way this decision has been made,
it is not a wonder we are having a few problems.[/quote]

k Nibbelin is finally beginning to get the picture, a picture many
of us have known about for some time.

I had to sit through five of these board meetings, so I have
experienced this.

When I was on the board it was never quite so bad as this. This was
because whenever the conversation strayed to far from the topic, I was
willing to tell the other board members so. Also, I would let Joel
Channing tell two or three of his non-funny jokes that everybody else
was supposed to laugh at, but after that I would tell him to cut it
out. This gave some observers the impression that I was running the
meeting.

Although it was bad even when I was on the board, I did manage to keep
it moving. One of the low points yesterday came when Bill Goichberg
suddenly decided to change the February 2-3, 2008 board meeting from
Las Vegas to Los Angeles. Goichberg said that Las Vegas was
objectionable because it is associated with gambling which creates a
bad image for the board (but why did Goichberg insist for some time
that the finals of the 2007 US Championship be held in Las Vegas?).
Goichberg said that if the meeting cannot be held in California, he
wants it held online. Truong protested that he cannot go to California
for "certain reasons" which he declined to state but he was willing to
go to any of the other 49 states.

Goichberg insisted that the meeting be held in Los Angeles because he
is going to be there anyway and it is not convenient for him to be
anywhere else. Those of us watching from the Internet audience know
why Goichberg is going to be in Los Angeles in early February. It is
because that is horse-racing season in Southern California and the
Santa Anita Race Track will be open. Goichberg plays the horses.
Ironic is it not that Goichberg does not want to be in Las Vegas
because it is associated with gambling.

The horses are running at Santa Anita Race Track at that time of the
year because it is too cold for the horses to race in other parts of
the country.

http://www.santaanita.com/news/events.php

Sam Sloan

Date: 11 Nov 2007 10:05:33
From: samsloan
Subject: Re: November 3-4, 2007 USCF Executive Board Meeting

[quote="Harry Payne"][quote="samsloan"][quote="Harry Payne"] I
am sure things have improved. And I meant no disrepect asking you. I
can only think about my reaction had my bank accounts become frozen.
But let us hope the issue is close to being resolved.[/quote]

Why are you sure things have improved?

Sam Sloan[/quote]

Because Sam, there are some very capable members on the
board. Of which you could have been one had you not made wild
statements before you checked them out. I have no doubt you are
concerned about the USCF. And felt that way very strongly. Then
instead of bringing suit against those I thought you had a good case
against , you rambled off bringing suit against the USCF, the State of
Texas , and I can't even remember who all else. You tangent at times
Sam and that hurts your credibility.IMHO[/quote]

Harry, I am wondering why you feel that I need to "check out" the
other members of the board. I have personally known every member of
the board for more than twenty years, some for more than 40 years,
with the sole exception of Joel Channing, whom I first met when he
first ran for election of 2005. As far as I know, you are a newcomer
who has met them only once. That was at the board meeting on May
21-22, 2007 in Stillwater, Oklahoma that you attended.

Sam Sloan

Date: 10 Nov 2007 04:16:43
From: samsloan
Subject: Re: November 3-4, 2007 USCF Executive Board Meeting

[quote="chessoffice"] At the meeting this past weekend, we concluded
more than an hour ahead of schedule.

Bill Goichberg[/quote]

That was because nothing got done. The major issues facing the board
and the federation were ignored, with the board acting like the
proverbial ostrich who, when faced with danger, sticks his head in the
sand.

Sam Sloan

Date: 07 Nov 2007 08:55:16
From: samsloan
Subject: Re: November 3-4, 2007 USCF Executive Board Meeting

[quote="ueschessmom"]True enough but I still have hope (maybe
misplaced) that the USCF could take leadership on some of these issues
and can help to push along some of the work that people have been
doing in the field. I thought Tim Redman raised some interesting
issues in his recent post about the benefits of chess for an aging
population concerned with maintaining mental and physical agility.[/
quote]

I hope that you will kindly recall that I raised this issue of chess
for the elderly in my campaign statement, along with my campaign to
greatly expand scholastic chess.

I lost the election and as you could plainly see neither of these
issues have been brought up by the new board.

Do you recall that when I proposed to sell blocks of USCF memberships
at discount rated to public schools, Bill Goichberg came onto this
forum to complain that I had hijacked an existing issue.

But, as you can see, I brought this up at every one of the five board
meetings that I attended when I was on the board, and now that I have
lost the election none of these issues have been brought up by anybody
who is on the board now.

Also, perhaps you may recall that there were two candidates who said
that if elected they were going to develop military chess, college
chess, correspondence chess, this kind of chess and that kind of chess
and so on.

Now that they have been elected, there has been no mention, none
whatever, of these different supposed chess programs.

Sam Sloan

Date: 06 Nov 2007 03:17:36
From: help bot
Subject: Re: November 3-4, 2007 USCF Executive Board Meeting

On Nov 6, 5:02 am, Andrew Usher <[email protected] > wrote:

> This is false. The word 'that' in a restrictive clause can be used
> equally for people or things so doesn't imply anything.

Your second sentence doesn't make sense. Like the
one constructed by Mr. Sloan, you have made a boo
boo, only yours appears to be leaving out an entire word,
whereas he merely revealed an appalling attitude toward
women /as goods/.

> I myself

Redundant; who else could "I" refer to /but/ yourself?
; >D

> generally use it instead of 'who' in those situations.

I hope you do not encounter /those situations/ very
often.

> But maybe you were just being sarcastic to intsult Sloan?

No, I was being observant of Mr. Sloan. It is much like
a Freudian slip, or a case where one of the Evans ratpack
reveals his innermost fears by attributing it ("projecting")
to a hated critic. In fact, I was not merely observant:
very soon after I wrote my observation, it was confirmed
by a follow up post by none other than Sam Sloan.

-- help bot

Date: 06 Nov 2007 02:02:39
From: Andrew Usher
Subject: Re: November 3-4, 2007 USCF Executive Board Meeting

On Nov 5, 10:20 pm, help bot <[email protected] > wrote:

> > There is not a single woman in the world that can't be bought.
>
> *Who* can't be bought. Using the term "that" for a human being
> indicates a process of trading of goods (Mr. Sloan probably did
> not even realize he was doing this). It is comforting to know that
> whatever monies SS gains from his many lawsuits will be put to
> good use.

This is false. The word 'that' in a restrictive clause can be used
equally
for people or things so doesn't imply anything. I myself generally use
it instead of 'who' in those situations.

But maybe you were just being sarcastic to intsult Sloan?

Andrew Usher

Date: 06 Nov 2007 00:26:55
From: help bot
Subject: Re: November 3-4, 2007 USCF Executive Board Meeting

On Nov 6, 1:01 am, [email protected] wrote:

> Who cares? I don't give a shit. I want to warn parnets of the dangers
> that these criminal predators, Paul Troung and Susan Polgar
> represent to the public's chidlren.
>
> I do not care who replaces them, as long as they never return
> to threaten to kill again.

Much like Mr. Sloan, you can't seem to keep your
stories straight.

In many postings, you have accused Paul Truong of
threatening to kill you, but just above the story changes
to Susan Polgar and PT. This serves to undermine
the credibility of your stories. Also there is the idea
that since you are still alive, either the "threat" was
vacuous, or else you perhaps are a hard man to find
(or maybe the killers just haven't gotten around to it
...YET). I don't know, but staying alive just seems to
be counterproductive for you; if you were dead the
story would have a certain fundamental soundness,
an irrefutable basis in reality on which to build. Add
in the observation that although there are innumerable
threats, nobody has as yet stopped the alleged killers
by following through on them, and the story lacks
oomph.

My recommendation is to move on the the next
chapter: stop writing about what the hero is *going
to do* and write about him actually nailing the villain
of the plot. In short: the villain is tried and convicted,
his wife betrays him, the hero wins the day -- the
usual stuff. You can only keep the air of suspense
going for so long, before it becomes stale.

-- editor bot

Date: 06 Nov 2007 00:04:00
From: help bot
Subject: Re: November 3-4, 2007 USCF Executive Board Meeting

On Nov 5, 10:34 pm, [email protected] wrote:

> All I am waiting on is GM Larry Evans book to file a lawsuit.

FYI: chess books cannot file lawsuits; only people can
do that.

-- help bot

Date: 05 Nov 2007 22:01:44
From:
Subject: Re: November 3-4, 2007 USCF Executive Board Meeting

On Nov 5, 10:32 pm, help bot <[email protected] > wrote:
> On Nov 5, 10:34 pm, [email protected] wrote:
>
> > This is the end of the Chess Federation. None of the parents will
> > ALLOW their children to play chess, for
> > Fear of MOLESTATION.
>
> > This chess association is about to pay in a court of law. No matter
> > what you do, the realizes that this is the beginning
> > of the end. Nobody can save the image of chess after thsi starts.
>
> I for one hope this is not just another empty blast of hot air.
>
> But let's say for a moment that all the evil scum are ousted:
> what do you think will replace them, apart from different evil
> scum?
>
> As we saw when Mr. Sloan was in office, these people
> collect into small groups which then allow their leaders
> to dictate the voting, and one man, with one vote, can do
> nothing more than observe and complain. In fact, it often
> happens that the first priority of evil scum is to rid them-
> selves of irritants like SS.
>
> -- help bot

Who cares? I don't give a shit. I want to warn parnets of the dangers
that these criminal predators, Paul Troung and Susan Polgar
represent to the public's chidlren.

I do not care who replaces them, as long as they never return
to threaten to kill again.

cus Robers

Date: 05 Nov 2007 20:32:05
From: help bot
Subject: Re: November 3-4, 2007 USCF Executive Board Meeting

On Nov 5, 10:34 pm, [email protected] wrote:

> This is the end of the Chess Federation. None of the parents will
> ALLOW their children to play chess, for
> Fear of MOLESTATION.
>
> This chess association is about to pay in a court of law. No matter
> what you do, the realizes that this is the beginning
> of the end. Nobody can save the image of chess after thsi starts.

I for one hope this is not just another empty blast of hot air.

But let's say for a moment that all the evil scum are ousted:
what do you think will replace them, apart from different evil
scum?

As we saw when Mr. Sloan was in office, these people
collect into small groups which then allow their leaders
to dictate the voting, and one man, with one vote, can do
nothing more than observe and complain. In fact, it often
happens that the first priority of evil scum is to rid them-
selves of irritants like SS.

-- help bot

Date: 05 Nov 2007 20:20:26
From: help bot
Subject: Re: November 3-4, 2007 USCF Executive Board Meeting

On Nov 5, 6:05 pm, samsloan <[email protected] > wrote:
> On Nov 5, 4:56 pm, "Chess One" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > **Despite your, no doubt unconscious, sexist language relating to women,
> > there is one thing very sure about Susan Polgar, that she cannot be bought.
>
> > Phil Innes
>
> There is not a single woman in the world that can't be bought.

*Who* can't be bought. Using the term "that" for a human being
indicates a process of trading of goods (Mr. Sloan probably did
not even realize he was doing this). It is comforting to know that
whatever monies SS gains from his many lawsuits will be put to
good use.

-- help bot

Date: 05 Nov 2007 19:34:34
From:
Subject: Re: November 3-4, 2007 USCF Executive Board Meeting

On Nov 5, 8:39 pm, [email protected] wrote:
> On Nov 5, 5:12 pm, Taylor Kingston <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 5, 5:16 pm, [email protected] wrote:
>
> > > Don't say anyone can't be bought. I have encounctered tens of millions
> > > of dollars in my rather young life at 38,
>
> > What does it mean to have "encounctered [sic] tens of millions of
> > dollars"? When I was about 10 years old, I saw a display of one
> > hundred $10,000 bills, i.e. one million dollars cash, in a glass case
> > at a Las Vegas casino. If I went back and looked at it 20 times, could
> > I be said to have "encountered tens of millions"?
> > Is our cus saying he's currently worth tens of millions? In that
> > case, cus, have I got a deal for you. There's this bridge in
> > Brooklyn I'm selling at a big discount... interested?
>
> We will see what happens to the Chess Federation
> in the coming weeks. If you think that the Exexutive Board member(s)
> can threaten to kill me,
> I got a response for that in an Chicago, courtroom. I don't think it
> takes a net worth
> of more than 10,000 dollars to settle this, once and forall.
>
> I'll sue for damages, and sue to remove Troung, put the old back, and
> sue to remove Goichberg.
> I put Sam Sloan back, just becasue it upsets people who falsely claim
> to care about chess.
>
> The legal response is quite effective. You will then spend the next
> few months wondering about what
> a Chicago judge will do. Beyond the money, you must then deal with Sam
> Sloan back, again, as an
> EB member. Talyor, you deserve Sam Sloan as your leader.
>
> Paul and Susan have some growing up to do. When you threaten to kill a
> man, you had better execute
> your threat. Most chess players run away, I will make certain Paul and
> Susan Polgar quit using their
> office to make death threats.
>
> All that costs is 5 to 10,000 dollars.
>
> cus Roberts

All I am waiting on is GM Larry Evans book to file a lawsuit. The book
will help convince the judge of the CORRUPTION
in Chess politics.

1. Damages for death threats, harassment by USCF President Bill
Goichberg (armed guards, demands of money for an EB seat, covering up
child molestation)
2. Claims against Susan Polgar and Harold Winston, for stalking my
sister
3. Claims against Troung, for threatening to kill me
4. Motion to reinstate the old board
5. Motion to remove Goicherg from the old board, which will be the new
board, or the old board, due to a conflict of interest
6. Motion to add Roberts to serve in Goichberig's place

Goichberg's offer to sell me a seat as a Patron EB member can be used
to REMOVE HIM FORM OFFICE. He is trying to sell
A EB seat.

Then, after these motions, I won't accept ANY DEAL AT ALL. I will
demand discovery and a TRIAL.

This is the end of the Chess Federation. None of the parents will
ALLOW their children to play chess, for
Fear of MOLESTATION.

This chess association is about to pay in a court of law. No matter
what you do, the realizes that this is the beginning
of the end. Nobody can save the image of chess after thsi starts.

There will be no peace.

cus Roberts
former USCF Vice President

Date: 05 Nov 2007 18:39:01
From:
Subject: Re: November 3-4, 2007 USCF Executive Board Meeting

On Nov 5, 5:12 pm, Taylor Kingston <[email protected] > wrote:
> On Nov 5, 5:16 pm, [email protected] wrote:
>
>
>
> > Don't say anyone can't be bought. I have encounctered tens of millions
> > of dollars in my rather young life at 38,
>
> What does it mean to have "encounctered [sic] tens of millions of
> dollars"? When I was about 10 years old, I saw a display of one
> hundred $10,000 bills, i.e. one million dollars cash, in a glass case
> at a Las Vegas casino. If I went back and looked at it 20 times, could
> I be said to have "encountered tens of millions"?
> Is our cus saying he's currently worth tens of millions? In that
> case, cus, have I got a deal for you. There's this bridge in
> Brooklyn I'm selling at a big discount... interested?

We will see what happens to the Chess Federation
in the coming weeks. If you think that the Exexutive Board member(s)
can threaten to kill me,
I got a response for that in an Chicago, courtroom. I don't think it
takes a net worth
of more than 10,000 dollars to settle this, once and forall.

I'll sue for damages, and sue to remove Troung, put the old back, and
sue to remove Goichberg.
I put Sam Sloan back, just becasue it upsets people who falsely claim
to care about chess.

The legal response is quite effective. You will then spend the next
few months wondering about what
a Chicago judge will do. Beyond the money, you must then deal with Sam
Sloan back, again, as an
EB member. Talyor, you deserve Sam Sloan as your leader.

Paul and Susan have some growing up to do. When you threaten to kill a
man, you had better execute
your threat. Most chess players run away, I will make certain Paul and
Susan Polgar quit using their
office to make death threats.

All that costs is 5 to 10,000 dollars.

cus Roberts

Date: 05 Nov 2007 17:06:49
From: Taylor Kingston
Subject: Re: November 3-4, 2007 USCF Executive Board Meeting

On Nov 5, 6:05 pm, samsloan <[email protected] > wrote:
>
> There is not a single woman in the world that can't be bought.

Sam Sloan, Plato's archetype of the philosopher-king.

Date: 05 Nov 2007 15:12:42
From: Taylor Kingston
Subject: Re: November 3-4, 2007 USCF Executive Board Meeting

On Nov 5, 5:16 pm, [email protected] wrote:
>
> Don't say anyone can't be bought. I have encounctered tens of millions
> of dollars in my rather young life at 38,

What does it mean to have "encounctered [sic] tens of millions of
dollars"? When I was about 10 years old, I saw a display of one
hundred $10,000 bills, i.e. one million dollars cash, in a glass case
at a Las Vegas casino. If I went back and looked at it 20 times, could
I be said to have "encountered tens of millions"?
Is our cus saying he's currently worth tens of millions? In that
case, cus, have I got a deal for you. There's this bridge in
Brooklyn I'm selling at a big discount... interested?

Date: 05 Nov 2007 15:05:36
From: samsloan
Subject: Re: November 3-4, 2007 USCF Executive Board Meeting

On Nov 5, 4:56 pm, "Chess One" <[email protected] > wrote:

> **Despite your, no doubt unconscious, sexist language relating to women,
> there is one thing very sure about Susan Polgar, that she cannot be bought.
>
> Phil Innes

There is not a single woman in the world that can't be bought.

Date: 06 Nov 2007 12:32:25
From: Chess One
Subject: Re: November 3-4, 2007 USCF Executive Board Meeting

"samsloan" <[email protected] > wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Nov 5, 4:56 pm, "Chess One" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> **Despite your, no doubt unconscious, sexist language relating to women,
>> there is one thing very sure about Susan Polgar, that she cannot be
>> bought.
>>
>> Phil Innes
>
> There is not a single woman in the world that can't be bought.

From your experience?

Some men do not need to buy their women, or possess in that sense ~ though
this evidently comes with maturity rather than age.

And some women avoid men who try to ~ I suggest that is another tribe of
females entirely, so quite logically the realm of personal orientation
determines the resultant conclusion.

Phil Innes

Date: 05 Nov 2007 14:20:08
From:
Subject: Re: November 3-4, 2007 USCF Executive Board Meeting

[email protected] wrote:
> On Nov 5, 3:56 pm, "Chess One" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > I detected a change in Channing during the meeting. He was the only
> > board member who made any reference to the "Fake Sam Sloan" matter and
> > he did so several times.
> >
> > I suspect that Joel Channing is no longer in bed with Polgar and is no
> > longer her strongest supporter on the board. He seems to have turned
> > away from her much as Erik Anderson and Eric Moskow have done.
> >
> > **Despite your, no doubt unconscious, sexist language relating to women,
> > there is one thing very sure about Susan Polgar, that she cannot be bought.
> >
> > Phil Innes
> >
> > These newsgroups deleted:
> > rec.games.chess.computer,misc.legal,soc.culture.usa
> >
> > Sam Sloan
>
> Phil
>
> Don't say anyone can't be bought. I have encounctered tens of millions
> of dollars in my
> rather young life at 38, and I learned that EVERYONE has a price,
> unless they are afraid of
> going to hell. If Susan can avoid selling her soul, she CAN be bought.
>
> cus Roberts

If that were the case, wouldn't you have been able to purchase some
support in the chess world? Rather than being universally regraded as
a deranged buffoon?

Date: 05 Nov 2007 22:16:03
From:
Subject: Re: November 3-4, 2007 USCF Executive Board Meeting

On Nov 5, 3:56 pm, "Chess One" <[email protected] > wrote:
> I detected a change in Channing during the meeting. He was the only
> board member who made any reference to the "Fake Sam Sloan" matter and
> he did so several times.
>
> I suspect that Joel Channing is no longer in bed with Polgar and is no
> longer her strongest supporter on the board. He seems to have turned
> away from her much as Erik Anderson and Eric Moskow have done.
>
> **Despite your, no doubt unconscious, sexist language relating to women,
> there is one thing very sure about Susan Polgar, that she cannot be bought.
>
> Phil Innes
>
> These newsgroups deleted:
> rec.games.chess.computer,misc.legal,soc.culture.usa
>
> Sam Sloan

Phil

Don't say anyone can't be bought. I have encounctered tens of millions
of dollars in my
rather young life at 38, and I learned that EVERYONE has a price,
unless they are afraid of
going to hell. If Susan can avoid selling her soul, she CAN be bought.

cus Roberts

Date: 06 Nov 2007 12:24:43
From: Chess One
Subject: Re: November 3-4, 2007 USCF Executive Board Meeting

<[email protected] > wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

> Phil
>
> Don't say anyone can't be bought. I have encounctered tens of millions
> of dollars in my
> rather young life at 38, and I learned that EVERYONE has a price,
> unless they are afraid of
> going to hell. If Susan can avoid selling her soul, she CAN be bought.
>
> cus Roberts

cus, why are we talking about her? Let'$ talk about me and you, and see
if you can prove me wrong and you right? Fair enough?

Seriously, no one really knows what they will do until they have been
tested. Also fair? And sometimes its the case that previous Villains act
like Saints when the going gets interesting.

Phil Innes

Date: 05 Nov 2007 11:23:57
From: samsloan
Subject: Re: November 3-4, 2007 USCF Executive Board Meeting

Date: 05 Nov 2007 21:56:32
From: Chess One
Subject: Re: November 3-4, 2007 USCF Executive Board Meeting

I detected a change in Channing during the meeting. He was the only
board member who made any reference to the "Fake Sam Sloan" matter and
he did so several times.

I suspect that Joel Channing is no longer in bed with Polgar and is no
longer her strongest supporter on the board. He seems to have turned
away from her much as Erik Anderson and Eric Moskow have done.

**Despite your, no doubt unconscious, sexist language relating to women,
there is one thing very sure about Susan Polgar, that she cannot be bought.

Phil Innes

These newsgroups deleted:
rec.games.chess.computer,misc.legal,soc.culture.usa

Sam Sloan