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Date: 08 Dec 2008 20:20:30
From: Tantale
Subject: No computer can solve this study of Troitzky
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Try Rybka 3 , Fritz 11 , ...
http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=ENksXh3mOFM
jmrw
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Date: 11 Dec 2008 19:24:43
From: Clifford Stern
Subject: Re: No computer can solve this study of Troitzky
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On Mon, 8 Dec 2008 20:20:30 +0100, "Tantale" <[email protected] > wrote:
>Try Rybka 3 , Fritz 11 , ...
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>http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=ENksXh3mOFM
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>jmrw
The accompanying music is sensational!
I'm not very knowledgable about opera - what is it from?
Clifford Stern
[email protected]
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Date: 13 Dec 2008 18:02:20
From: Tantale
Subject: Re: No computer can solve this study of Troitzky
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"Clifford Stern" <[email protected] > a �crit dans le message de news:
[email protected]...
> On Mon, 8 Dec 2008 20:20:30 +0100, "Tantale" <[email protected]> wrote:
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>>Try Rybka 3 , Fritz 11 , ...
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>>http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=ENksXh3mOFM
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>>jmrw
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> The accompanying music is sensational!
> I'm not very knowledgable about opera - what is it from?
>
> Clifford Stern
> [email protected]
In french it is "Le Choeur des boh�miennes" dans la Traviata de Verdi
jmrw
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Date: 08 Dec 2008 16:58:36
From:
Subject: Re: No computer can solve this study of Troitzky
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On Dec 8, 2:20=A0pm, "Tantale" <[email protected] > wrote:
> Try Rybka 3 , Fritz 11 , ...
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> http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=3DENksXh3mOFM
Interesting indeed, thank you for presenting this. No one quite like
Troitzky. I let Fritz8 go at for about half an hour, and it got
nowhere. Is Black really unable to extricate his king from the
confining net White shows in your video?
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Date: 09 Dec 2008 08:20:11
From:
Subject: Re: No computer can solve this study of Troitzky
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On Dec 9, 10:48=A0am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:
> On Dec 9, 8:36=A0pm, "Tantale" <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > >I didn't understand what is the purpose of this video. In the end
> > >Black can play c7. It is not win for any of the player? Looks like a
> > >drawn game.
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> > On f7 White King to c3 for example. White Wins.
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> > jmrw
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> Show me the complete moves till mate after Black plays f3-f2.
There is no need for that. In the final position on the video, after
1...f2 2.N-any, Black has only 2...f1(Q or whatever). Then, after
3.Nxf1, we have a position of B+N vs. bare King, that has long been
known to be theoretically won for White.
Mate then is a matter of elementary technique. White drives the
black king to a corner square of the bishop's color, i.e. h1 or a8 in
this case, and delivers mate. One such position would be black K on
a8, White K on b6, N on a6, and B on c6. To see illustrations of the
technique, get any decent book on endgames, e.g. "Basic Chess Endings"
by Fine, or "Fundamental Chess Endings" by Mueller and Lamprecht.
B+N vs K is the most difficult of the basic mates, and depending on
the position it can take 30+ moves to force mate. But there was no
need for Troitzky to play out to mate; for the purposes endgame
studies, reaching a theoretically won position is enough.
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Date: 09 Dec 2008 07:48:42
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: No computer can solve this study of Troitzky
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On Dec 9, 8:36=A0pm, "Tantale" <[email protected] > wrote:
> >I didn't understand what is the purpose of this video. In the end
> >Black can play c7. It is not win for any of the player? Looks like a
> >drawn game.
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> On f7 White King to c3 for example. White Wins.
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> jmrw
Show me the complete moves till mate after Black plays f3-f2.
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 09 Dec 2008 07:27:16
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: No computer can solve this study of Troitzky
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> > Try Rybka 3 , Fritz 11 , ...
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> >http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=3DENksXh3mOFM
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> =A0 Interesting indeed, thank you for presenting this. No one quite like
> Troitzky. I let Fritz8 go at for about half an hour, and it got
> nowhere. Is Black really unable to extricate his king from the
> confining net White shows in your video?
I didn't understand what is the purpose of this video. In the end
Black can play c7. It is not win for any of the player? Looks like a
drawn game.
Is there any Mate in 4/5?
75 plys or 37 random Moves were played. Were they forced moves?
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 09 Dec 2008 16:36:04
From: Tantale
Subject: Re: No computer can solve this study of Troitzky
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>I didn't understand what is the purpose of this video. In the end
>Black can play c7. It is not win for any of the player? Looks like a
>drawn game.
On f7 White King to c3 for example. White Wins.
jmrw
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Date: 09 Dec 2008 08:20:30
From: Tantale
Subject: Re: No computer can solve this study of Troitzky
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<[email protected] > a �crit dans le message de news:
28eb80da-da90-49f7-844d-b23fc1deefbd@d23g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 8, 2:20 pm, "Tantale" <[email protected] > wrote:
> Try Rybka 3 , Fritz 11 , ...
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> http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=ENksXh3mOFM
Interesting indeed, thank you for presenting this. No one quite like
Troitzky. I let Fritz8 go at for about half an hour, and it got
nowhere. Is Black really unable to extricate his king from the
confining net White shows in your video?
Yes, White has to stalemate Black King on any square and then wins.
jmrw
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