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Date: 13 Mar 2008 04:02:22
From: RookHouse
Subject: New Trivia Picture
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Name the players, location, and year of the tournament:
http://www.rookhouse.com/blog/?p=146
Enjoy,
Morphy
http://www.rookhouse.com/blog/
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Date: 13 Mar 2008 20:43:29
From: Offramp
Subject: Re: New Trivia Picture
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Jaffe and Chajes were like ... have you ever read The Castle by Franz
Kafka? They were like Arthur and Jeremiah. K said that it was
impossible to tell them apart and he could not be bothered to remember
which one was which - so he called them both by one name.
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Date: 13 Mar 2008 16:46:33
From: RookHouse
Subject: Re: New Trivia Picture
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On 13, 2:46=A0pm, [email protected] wrote:
>
> =A0 I remembered Cassel also as the writer of the introduction to
> Capablanca's book on the 1921 Lasker match. An interesting bit of
> trivia: my copy of that book (a 1977 Dover reprint) must have once
> been the property of Latvian GM Aivars Gipslis, or at least someone
> asked him to autograph it.
>
As I mentioned on my blog, you guys provided more information than I
actually had myself. I've had this picture in my database for over a
year now and had only previously identified the players.
I did not have the names of the non-players in the photo (Paredes,
Ponce, E.Corzo, Cassel, S.Capablanca), so thank you for clearing this
up for me.
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Date: 13 Mar 2008 12:46:38
From:
Subject: Re: New Trivia Picture
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On 13, 3:34=A0pm, Anders Thulin <[email protected] >
wrote:
> [email protected] wrote:
> > =A0 Thank you, Anders. Actually, I read that article by Winter some
> > months ago, but the photo obviously did not lodge in my memory.
>
> =A0 =A0It stuck in mine, but not for the chess players -- for Hartwig
> Cassel, the long-mustachioed gentleman in the 2nd row middle, who had ches=
s
> columns in several New York newspapers, and edited American Chess Bulletin=
,
> a rekably readable periodical, at the time.
>
> --
> Anders Thulin =A0 =A0 anders*thulin.name =A0 =A0http://www.anders.thulin.n=
ame/
I remembered Cassel also as the writer of the introduction to
Capablanca's book on the 1921 Lasker match. An interesting bit of
trivia: my copy of that book (a 1977 Dover reprint) must have once
been the property of Latvian GM Aivars Gipslis, or at least someone
asked him to autograph it.
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Date: 13 Mar 2008 12:18:19
From:
Subject: Re: New Trivia Picture
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On 13, 3:13=A0pm, Anders Thulin <[email protected] >
wrote:
> [email protected] wrote:
> > =A0 A, D, and F can be ruled out immediately due to the absence of other=
> > important players (Lasker, Rubinstein, Tarrasch, oczy, Alekhine
> > etc.),
>
> =A0 =A0That is, I assume, on the assumption that it is an official photo,
> and thus that all (or almost all) players are present.
>
> =A0 =A0But there is a possibility that it is a non-official photo, and
> that it was taken at a coffe-house with some tournament participants,
> some non-participating players who were there anyway, and a number of
> random local people.
>
> =A0 =A0Also ... the format is a bit odd. I suspect a cut-down picture,
> which makes it even more difficult to make anything but guesses.
> (But perhaps any cut-away part contained important information?)
>
> =A0 =A0The conditions really need to be stated from the beginning.
>
> > =A0 So that makes New York 1913 a likely suspect. However, I have some
> > reservations. Norman T. Whitaker, who finished =3D8th-9th, seems to be
> > missing from the photo. Also, that event was held in January, but the
> > hat-rack in the background shows nothing but straw hats - more
> > appropriate to summer than winter.
>
> =A0 =A0A caricature from New York 1913 published in Wiener Schachzeitung
> shows Jaff=E9 in straw hat, so I would not exclude New York just on that
> point. (However, another of them seems have Chajes head over Kupchik's
> name, so I wouldn't be too sure, either.)
>
> =A0 =A0A quick search on the net also indicates that January 1913 was rath=
er
> on the warm side. (I found a note that said that January 2006 was the
> fourth warmest on record in New York, and that it tied with ... January 19=
13!
> 2006 was apparently a winter when they played golf in shorts in Massachuse=
tts.)
>
> > =A0 So, I wouldn't be surprised if it was Havana 1913 (where straw hats
> > would make sense, and where Kupchik also played but Whitaker did not)
> > and the others in the photo were tournament officials.
>
> =A0 =A0Well, Havana 1913 is right, even if New York was unseasonably warm =
that year.
>
> =A0 =A0"Anti-clockwise from bottom left: C. Jaffe, F.J. shall, O. Chaje=
s, A. Kupchik,
> R. Blanco, L. Paredes, A. Ponce, E. Corzo, H. Cassel, S. Capablanca, J. Co=
rzo,
> J.R. Capablanca, D. Janowsky."
>
> =A0 =A0Seehttp://www.chesshistory.com/winter/extra/jaffe.htmlsome screens =
down.
>
> --
> Anders Thulin =A0 =A0 anders*thulin.name =A0 =A0http://www.anders.thulin.n=
ame/
Thank you, Anders. Actually, I read that article by Winter some
months ago, but the photo obviously did not lodge in my memory.
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Date: 13 Mar 2008 19:34:30
From: Anders Thulin
Subject: Re: New Trivia Picture
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[email protected] wrote:
> Thank you, Anders. Actually, I read that article by Winter some
> months ago, but the photo obviously did not lodge in my memory.
It stuck in mine, but not for the chess players -- for Hartwig
Cassel, the long-mustachioed gentleman in the 2nd row middle, who had chess
columns in several New York newspapers, and edited American Chess Bulletin,
a rekably readable periodical, at the time.
--
Anders Thulin anders*thulin.name http://www.anders.thulin.name/
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Date: 13 Mar 2008 12:03:14
From: Offramp
Subject: Re: New Trivia Picture
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On 13, 6:43 pm, [email protected] wrote:
> On 13, 9:17 am, [email protected] wrote:
> I'm fairly sure also that the man seated front and center is Oscar
> Chajes. However, this does nothing to sway the evidence toward either
> Havana or New York 1913, since Chajes played in both.
Perhaps it was Jaffe.
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Date: 13 Mar 2008 11:43:44
From:
Subject: Re: New Trivia Picture
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On 13, 9:17=A0am, [email protected] wrote:
> On 13, 7:02 am, RookHouse <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Name the players, location, and year of the tournament:http://www.rookho=
use.com/blog/?p=3D146
>
> > Enjoy,
> > Morphyhttp://www.rookhouse.com/blog/
>
> =A0 If this is a serious tournament (as opposed to, say, thematic or
> rapid transit), the presence of Janowski and Capablanca (standing, far
> left) and shall (seated, second from left), narrows it down to:
>
> =A0 (A) San Sebastian 1911
> =A0 (B) Havana 1913
> =A0 (C) New York 1913
> =A0 (D) St. Petersburg 1914
> =A0 (E) New York 1918
> =A0 (F) New York 1924
>
> =A0 A, D, and F can be ruled out immediately due to the absence of other
> important players (Lasker, Rubinstein, Tarrasch, oczy, Alekhine
> etc.), plus everyone is too young for it to be 1924. B is possible,
> but Havana 1913 had only 7 players, while the photo shows 13 (or 14,
> if the man way in the back at right is counted). E likewise had only
> 7, and I don't see Bora Kostic. C did have 14, including Abraham
> Kupchik, and the man seated second from right looks like him.
> =A0 So that makes New York 1913 a likely suspect. However, I have some
> reservations. Norman T. Whitaker, who finished =3D8th-9th, seems to be
> missing from the photo. Also, that event was held in January, but the
> hat-rack in the background shows nothing but straw hats - more
> appropriate to summer than winter.
> =A0 So, I wouldn't be surprised if it was Havana 1913 (where straw hats
> would make sense, and where Kupchik also played but Whitaker did not)
> and the others in the photo were tournament officials. Or else it was
> some other event entirely, that I've missed or my sources omit.
I'm fairly sure also that the man seated front and center is Oscar
Chajes. However, this does nothing to sway the evidence toward either
Havana or New York 1913, since Chajes played in both.
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Date: 13 Mar 2008 10:52:23
From: zdrakec
Subject: Re: New Trivia Picture
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On 13, 8:17=A0am, [email protected] wrote:
> On 13, 7:02 am, RookHouse <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Name the players, location, and year of the tournament:http://www.rookho=
use.com/blog/?p=3D146
>
> > Enjoy,
> > Morphyhttp://www.rookhouse.com/blog/
>
> =A0 If this is a serious tournament (as opposed to, say, thematic or
> rapid transit), the presence of Janowski and Capablanca (standing, far
> left) and shall (seated, second from left), narrows it down to:
>
> =A0 (A) San Sebastian 1911
> =A0 (B) Havana 1913
> =A0 (C) New York 1913
> =A0 (D) St. Petersburg 1914
> =A0 (E) New York 1918
> =A0 (F) New York 1924
>
> =A0 A, D, and F can be ruled out immediately due to the absence of other
> important players (Lasker, Rubinstein, Tarrasch, oczy, Alekhine
> etc.), plus everyone is too young for it to be 1924. B is possible,
> but Havana 1913 had only 7 players, while the photo shows 13 (or 14,
> if the man way in the back at right is counted). E likewise had only
> 7, and I don't see Bora Kostic. C did have 14, including Abraham
> Kupchik, and the man seated second from right looks like him.
> =A0 So that makes New York 1913 a likely suspect. However, I have some
> reservations. Norman T. Whitaker, who finished =3D8th-9th, seems to be
> missing from the photo. Also, that event was held in January, but the
> hat-rack in the background shows nothing but straw hats - more
> appropriate to summer than winter.
> =A0 So, I wouldn't be surprised if it was Havana 1913 (where straw hats
> would make sense, and where Kupchik also played but Whitaker did not)
> and the others in the photo were tournament officials. Or else it was
> some other event entirely, that I've missed or my sources omit.
Dammit, Taylor, but you are good.
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Date: 13 Mar 2008 14:37:45
From: David Richerby
Subject: Re: New Trivia Picture
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RookHouse <[email protected] > wrote:
> Name the players, location, and year of the tournament:
> http://www.rookhouse.com/blog/?p=146
They're all Garry Kasparov, except the one third from the left on the
back row, who is Judit Polgar, and the step ladder, who is Peter Leko.
It was taken at the fancy dress party on the rest day of Linares 2001.
Do I win a prize?
Dave.
--
David Richerby Dangerous Postman (TM): it's like a
www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~davidr/ man who delivers the mail but it could
explode at any minute!
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Date: 13 Mar 2008 06:17:26
From:
Subject: Re: New Trivia Picture
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On 13, 7:02 am, RookHouse <[email protected] > wrote:
> Name the players, location, and year of the tournament:http://www.rookhouse.com/blog/?p=146
>
> Enjoy,
> Morphyhttp://www.rookhouse.com/blog/
If this is a serious tournament (as opposed to, say, thematic or
rapid transit), the presence of Janowski and Capablanca (standing, far
left) and shall (seated, second from left), narrows it down to:
(A) San Sebastian 1911
(B) Havana 1913
(C) New York 1913
(D) St. Petersburg 1914
(E) New York 1918
(F) New York 1924
A, D, and F can be ruled out immediately due to the absence of other
important players (Lasker, Rubinstein, Tarrasch, oczy, Alekhine
etc.), plus everyone is too young for it to be 1924. B is possible,
but Havana 1913 had only 7 players, while the photo shows 13 (or 14,
if the man way in the back at right is counted). E likewise had only
7, and I don't see Bora Kostic. C did have 14, including Abraham
Kupchik, and the man seated second from right looks like him.
So that makes New York 1913 a likely suspect. However, I have some
reservations. Norman T. Whitaker, who finished =8th-9th, seems to be
missing from the photo. Also, that event was held in January, but the
hat-rack in the background shows nothing but straw hats - more
appropriate to summer than winter.
So, I wouldn't be surprised if it was Havana 1913 (where straw hats
would make sense, and where Kupchik also played but Whitaker did not)
and the others in the photo were tournament officials. Or else it was
some other event entirely, that I've missed or my sources omit.
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Date: 13 Mar 2008 19:13:05
From: Anders Thulin
Subject: Re: New Trivia Picture
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[email protected] wrote:
> A, D, and F can be ruled out immediately due to the absence of other
> important players (Lasker, Rubinstein, Tarrasch, oczy, Alekhine
> etc.),
That is, I assume, on the assumption that it is an official photo,
and thus that all (or almost all) players are present.
But there is a possibility that it is a non-official photo, and
that it was taken at a coffe-house with some tournament participants,
some non-participating players who were there anyway, and a number of
random local people.
Also ... the format is a bit odd. I suspect a cut-down picture,
which makes it even more difficult to make anything but guesses.
(But perhaps any cut-away part contained important information?)
The conditions really need to be stated from the beginning.
> So that makes New York 1913 a likely suspect. However, I have some
> reservations. Norman T. Whitaker, who finished =8th-9th, seems to be
> missing from the photo. Also, that event was held in January, but the
> hat-rack in the background shows nothing but straw hats - more
> appropriate to summer than winter.
A caricature from New York 1913 published in Wiener Schachzeitung
shows Jaff� in straw hat, so I would not exclude New York just on that
point. (However, another of them seems have Chajes head over Kupchik's
name, so I wouldn't be too sure, either.)
A quick search on the net also indicates that January 1913 was rather
on the warm side. (I found a note that said that January 2006 was the
fourth warmest on record in New York, and that it tied with ... January 1913!
2006 was apparently a winter when they played golf in shorts in Massachusetts.)
> So, I wouldn't be surprised if it was Havana 1913 (where straw hats
> would make sense, and where Kupchik also played but Whitaker did not)
> and the others in the photo were tournament officials.
Well, Havana 1913 is right, even if New York was unseasonably warm that year.
"Anti-clockwise from bottom left: C. Jaffe, F.J. shall, O. Chajes, A. Kupchik,
R. Blanco, L. Paredes, A. Ponce, E. Corzo, H. Cassel, S. Capablanca, J. Corzo,
J.R. Capablanca, D. Janowsky."
See http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/extra/jaffe.html some screens down.
--
Anders Thulin anders*thulin.name http://www.anders.thulin.name/
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