How much will you bet, Sam?

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Date: 13 Mar 2008 13:30:18
From:
Subject: How much will you bet, Sam?

In another thread, Sam Sloan wrote:

"The fact is that Taylor Kingston has never beaten a master."

Would you care to bet on that, Sam? If so, how much? I'd like a
minimum bet of at least $10,000, but I'll go higher if you like.

Date: 21 Mar 2008 01:47:13
From: Offramp
Subject: Re: Start your Challenge.

On 20, 11:15 pm, help bot <[email protected] > wrote:
> On 20, 9:24 am, [email protected] wrote:
>
> > > "it" here refers to the "Bet of $10,000" If the number of games are
> > > increased we get much correct results. As the judgement based on 1
> > > game may be wrong.
>
> > Sanny, you have failed to understand the bet. The bet is about a
> > matter of established fact: whether or not I have ever beaten an
> > officially titled chess master in an official chess game. Sloan claims
> > I have not, I know that I have. It has nothing to do with playing more
> > games. I am willing to bet $10,000 that I have already beaten a
> > master.
>
> As I understand the rules, Mr. Sloan would
> have to pay Mr. Kingston $10K for every
> game in which he defeated a USCF master.
> For this contest, a "master" is considered
> to be someone USCF-rated at least 2200,
> including the feeble-minded ones who were
> sitting on their rating floors. We don't care
> about wall charts and so forth, but will take
> the cross-tables on the USCF Web site as
> definitive (despite the USCF's dismal record).
>
> -- help bot

No.
It is three matches, the first to begin on ch 10th 2010.
The matches are the first to 10 wins, draws not counting (I have never
understood this 'draws not counting' provision - of course they don't
count!).
If the score reaches 9-9 then one player has to win by two clear
points, as in the last set at tennis. For example 652,233-652,231.
The time limit is one second a move plus one minute a move. This gives
the brilliant possibility of someone sitting at the table but losing
on time before move 1.
The match will be financed by the USCF, which has put up $2,000,000 in
Chinese-Pacific Railway Shares as a first prize. Second prize is a
laptop.
Free entrance will be given to all 300,000 children registered as
members of the USCF, so a good crowd is guaranteed.
Can you guess who the arbiter will be?
SPOILER SPACE

The arbiter will be that star of Gravity's Rainbow, Mickey Rooney!

Date: 20 Mar 2008 16:15:53
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Start your Challenge.

On 20, 9:24 am, [email protected] wrote:

> > "it" here refers to the "Bet of $10,000" If the number of games are
> > increased we get much correct results. As the judgement based on 1
> > game may be wrong.
>
> Sanny, you have failed to understand the bet. The bet is about a
> matter of established fact: whether or not I have ever beaten an
> officially titled chess master in an official chess game. Sloan claims
> I have not, I know that I have. It has nothing to do with playing more
> games. I am willing to bet $10,000 that I have already beaten a
> master.

As I understand the rules, Mr. Sloan would
have to pay Mr. Kingston $10K for every
game in which he defeated a USCF master.
For this contest, a "master" is considered
to be someone USCF-rated at least 2200,
including the feeble-minded ones who were
sitting on their rating floors. We don't care
about wall charts and so forth, but will take
the cross-tables on the USCF Web site as
definitive (despite the USCF's dismal record).

-- help bot

Date: 20 Mar 2008 06:24:36
From:
Subject: Re: Start your Challenge.

On 20, 12:49=A0am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:
> On 19, 12:33=A0pm, "Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod)"
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On 14, 1:24 am, Sanny <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > We should not leave it on chances/luck.
>
> > Sanny, what is your "it" in the above statement?
>
> > =3D=3D=3D=3D
> > Wlod
>
> "it" here refers to the "Bet of $10,000" If the number of games are
> increased we get much correct results. As the judgement based on 1
> game may be wrong.

Sanny, you have failed to understand the bet. The bet is about a
matter of established fact: whether or not I have ever beaten an
officially titled chess master in an official chess game. Sloan claims
I have not, I know that I have. It has nothing to do with playing more
games. I am willing to bet $10,000 that I have already beaten a
master.
I did not seriously think Sloan would take the bet. I just wanted to
show what a liar and coward he is. He does not even have the courage
to admit he was wrong.
What's funny about this (and it also shows even more clearly how
dishonest and inept Sam Sloan is), is that a victory of mine over a
USCF master has already been published here on this newsgroup. I
posted it in 2006, in response to a request from Sloan. So he actually
has already seen that I have beaten a master, yet he still claimed I
have not.
That's the way it is with Sam Sloan. The same lies get repeated over
and over.

Date: 19 Mar 2008 21:49:09
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Start your Challenge.

On 19, 12:33=A0pm, "Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod)"
<[email protected] > wrote:
> On 14, 1:24 am, Sanny <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > We should not leave it on chances/luck.
>
> Sanny, what is your "it" in the above statement?
>
> =3D=3D=3D=3D
> Wlod

"it" here refers to the "Bet of $10,000" If the number of games are
increased we get much correct results. As the judgement based on 1
game may be wrong.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Date: 19 Mar 2008 09:43:56
From: Rob
Subject: Re: How much will you bet, Sam?

On 19, 7:59=A0am, [email protected] wrote:
> On 19, 3:29=A0am, "Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod)"
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On 13, 1:30 pm, [email protected] wrote:
>
> > > =A0 In another thread, Sam Sloan wrote:
>
> > > =A0 "The fact is that Taylor Kingston
> > > has never beaten a master."
>
> > > =A0 Would you care to bet on that, Sam?
> > > If so, how much? I'd like a
> > > minimum bet of at least $10,000,
> > > but I'll go higher if you like.
>
> > Does it have to be Sam?
>
> =A0 Well, Sam's the only one to say such a thing here, as far as I know.

And he will never bet you either, with real money thats his.

Date: 19 Mar 2008 05:59:17
From:
Subject: Re: How much will you bet, Sam?

On 19, 3:29=A0am, "Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod)"
<[email protected] > wrote:
> On 13, 1:30 pm, [email protected] wrote:
>
> > =A0 In another thread, Sam Sloan wrote:
>
> > =A0 "The fact is that Taylor Kingston
> > has never beaten a master."
>
> > =A0 Would you care to bet on that, Sam?
> > If so, how much? I'd like a
> > minimum bet of at least $10,000,
> > but I'll go higher if you like.
>
> Does it have to be Sam?

Well, Sam's the only one to say such a thing here, as far as I know.

Date: 19 Mar 2008 00:33:53
From: Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod)
Subject: Re: Start your Challenge.

On 14, 1:24 am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:

>
> We should not leave it on chances/luck.

Sanny, what is your "it" in the above statement?

====
Wlod

Date: 19 Mar 2008 00:29:22
From: Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod)
Subject: Re: How much will you bet, Sam?

On 13, 1:30 pm, [email protected] wrote:
> In another thread, Sam Sloan wrote:
>
> "The fact is that Taylor Kingston
> has never beaten a master."
>
> Would you care to bet on that, Sam?
> If so, how much? I'd like a
> minimum bet of at least $10,000,
> but I'll go higher if you like.

Does it have to be Sam?

Wlod

Date: 18 Mar 2008 15:26:26
From: help bot
Subject: Re: How much will you bet, Sam?

On 16, 10:40 am, [email protected] wrote:

> I have beaten someone who has since become a FIDE Master, but that
> was not the "officially titled USCF master" I had in mind. His USCF
> rating was only 2114 at the time I won (now it's 2423), and I don't
> think he had a FIDE rating yet, so it would not be accurate to say "I
> beat an FM" based on that game.
>
> > Obviously, when Mr. Sloan used the term
> > "master", he must have been referring to
> > the title of /FIDE master/, commonly
> > abbreviated as "FM".

I was just trying to help poor Mr. Sloan out;
of course, he (or his clone) was silly to assert
that TK has "never" beaten even one master.
(I know Class C players who have done that.)

> No, I took it to mean USCF master, i.e. someone rated 2200+ OTB, or
> in postal chess, who had reached a rating of at least 1700 under the
> Harkness system in effect when I played postal chess circa 1966-86. In
> that system, Master was 1700-1899, Senior Master 1900+.

So then, your *peak* rating would likely have
been in or around 1986, while the rating for
Larry Evans corresponds to the date of writing
his article, and the rating for John Nunn would
correspond to the writing of his comment. In
short, about 2600 FIDE for John Nunn, and
perhaps 2400 USCF for Larry Evans, if we
generously grant him a floor. Not that it
really matters; I don't buy into this authority
garbage, but for the benefit of those who do,
it is useful to point out that LE was not even
close to being strong enough to make such
a claim. Now, a Gary Kasparov might find a
few followers... or a Bobby Fischer.

> Good! Then surely Sam can afford to risk $10,000, eh? Why then is he
> hiding like a terrified mouse?

His bookie told him to, after calculating the
odds!

> I seem to recall that I did annotate a few Sloan games here a few
> years back, when he was hyping his favorite Damiano "Defense" as a
> forced win for Black

Well, when I came along he was saying
that he liked his chances against opponents
below a certain level, maybe Class A or lower.
People kept insisting that even their pet rock
could refute this line, but Mr. Sloan refuted
this by presenting actual games from recent
events in which he had been reasonably
successful.

> As I said, been there, done that, and Sam's games don't interest me
> much. I have better games to go through, for example those of Max
> Judd, for the next installment of Jeremy Spinrad's column. appearing
> in about two weeks.

God help us! The nearly-IMnes creature
will once again rave about how the Winter
ratpackers can only write about such
players as this Max Judd, about whom
nobody (internationally) much cares. Why
can't you guys who work for Edward
Winter write about somebody good-- say,
Bobby Fischer? Nobody ever writes about
him, and it is said he could give women
Knight odds, computers Rook odds, and
Anatoly Karpov, pawn and move; granted,
he is mainly of interest to local folks in
the greater New York area... never mind.

-- help bot

Date: 18 Mar 2008 15:14:35
From: SBD
Subject: Re: How much will you bet, Sam?

On 18, 5:05=A0pm, help bot <[email protected] > wrote:
>
> =A0 Come on-- show us you're not just
> whistling Dixie: do the work to back up
> your carefree speculations.

Larry? Do the work? That's a good one.

Date: 18 Mar 2008 15:05:22
From: help bot
Subject: Re: How much will you bet, Sam?

On 16, 9:12 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected] > wrote:

> I hereby renew my challenge to NMnot Taylor
> Kingston to take a polygraph test about whether
> either of us used bogus names on this forum.

You know, those tests only detect "stress",
a problem for people who feel guilty or are
fearful when they lie. Trouble is, many liars
are the chronic type, the kind of people who
feel nothing at all, who do not stress-out,
and who therefore are undetectable liars
insofar as this particular test goes.

I hear that sodium pentathol is far more
reliable, for it takes away the mind's
/ability/ to lie, to deceive. Trouble is, there
are nasty side-effects: nausea, internal
bleeding, brain damage, heart or kidney
failure, various internal rupturing and
hemmoraging --- this is a test which was
obviously /designed for/ Larry Parr types!

> Is he such an economic failure that he cannot
> muster $10,000 to determine whether this writer ever
> posted under such jr, wmiketwo and any other
> monickers that he would care to have me deny when
> taking such a polygraph test?

Maybe for $10K, he wants /more/; maybe
TK wants questions about what are your
biggest weaknesses in the King-pawn
openings... what is your favorite color...
what is the nature of your relationship to
the mafia... have you ever been a member
of the Libertarian Party... what do you play
as White... are you weak as in the
endgame as they say?

> Will NMnot Taylor Kingston finally tell us whether he
> ever or never posted under the names of Paulie Graf and
> Xylothist, among others?

Sheesh. Just stop whining about this and
do one of your famous "syntax analyses";
follow up with a careful examination of the
thousands of lines of headers, in which you
can show everyone how Paulie Graf always
posted from the same location as TK, even
when he traveled to Venice or Haiti.

Come on-- show us you're not just
whistling Dixie: do the work to back up
your carefree speculations.

-- help bot

Date: 16 Mar 2008 07:40:38
From:
Subject: Re: How much will you bet, Sam?

On 15, 6:45=A0pm, help bot <[email protected] > wrote:
> On 15, 3:37 pm, [email protected] wrote:
>
> > =A0 I present again Sam Sloan's claim:
>
> > =A0 "The fact is that Taylor Kingston has never beaten a master."
>
> > =A0 Interested readers can check the original post here:http://tinyurl.c=
om/27n2xd
>
> > =A0 Sam's claim is quite absolute and unequivocal

> > and also
> > unequivocally false. I have challenged Sam to put his money where his
> > mouth is. I have 10,000 actual, official American dollars that say I
> > have beaten an actual officially-titled USCF master in an actual,
> > serious, USCF-rated chess game.
>
> =A0 Who cares? =A0The question is, have you
> ever beaten a REAL master -- that is, one
> certified as such by FIDE, the official
> organization recognized the world over as
> the only corrupt entity with the power and
> influence necessary to buy everyone off
> and thus, reign supreme.

I have beaten someone who has since become a FIDE Master, but that
was not the "officially titled USCF master" I had in mind. His USCF
rating was only 2114 at the time I won (now it's 2423), and I don't
think he had a FIDE rating yet, so it would not be accurate to say "I
beat an FM" based on that game.

> =A0 Obviously, when Mr. Sloan used the term
> "master", he must have been referring to
> the title of /FIDE master/, commonly
> abbreviated as "FM".

No, I took it to mean USCF master, i.e. someone rated 2200+ OTB, or
in postal chess, who had reached a rating of at least 1700 under the
Harkness system in effect when I played postal chess circa 1966-86. In
that system, Master was 1700-1899, Senior Master 1900+.

>
> > =A0 1. Sam is such an economic failure that he can't muster ten bucks in=

> > the same place at the same time, let alone ten thousand.
>
> =A0 We can rule this out on the basis that
> Mr. Sloan has often entered such big-
> money tournaments as the World Open;
> real chess players know that Mr.
> Goichberg does not give away entries
> for free.

Good! Then surely Sam can afford to risk $10,000, eh? Why then is he
hiding like a terrified mouse?

> > =A0 2. Sam has perhaps been trying to arrange a loan for the bet, acting=

> > on the "greater fool" theory, but has not been able to find anyone
> > more foolish than himself.
> > =A0 3. Sam is not sane, and cannot distinguish between factual truth and=

> > his own dream-world.
>
> =A0 Irrelevant. =A0Nutters have always had a
> decided tendency to excel at chess.

A good point!

> > =A0 4. Sam is an inveterate liar and smear-monger who will say anything,=

> > but he slinks away in silence when his lies are exposed.
>
> =A0 I like this one.

Yes, I conisder it the most likely explanation.

> =A0 But I think an alternate explanation
> might be that Mr. Sloan was looking to
> "show off" his wins against some USCF
> masters, and wanted a challenge to
> produce them here.

I seem to recall that I did annotate a few Sloan games here a few
years back, when he was hyping his favorite Damiano "Defense" as a
forced win for Black

> =A0(Instead, he got a
> mindless "give me $10K" diversion.)
>
> =A0 Rather than blather on about money,
> why not show us some annotations of
> Mr. Sloan's many famous games? =A0As
> we know, even Dr. Phil IMnes can do
> this, using the latest version of Rybka
> in conjunction with the Fritz interface,
> but that lends a rather robot-like style to
> the writing. =A0We have been told that the
> style of TK is that of a careful researcher,
> a flawless technician, a nearly-a-genius,

I strive to be worthy of the first and second designations, but
errare humanum est and all that. The third, not even close.

> and Mr. Sloan's efforts could use a good
> looking over.

As I said, been there, done that, and Sam's games don't interest me
much. I have better games to go through, for example those of Max
Judd, for the next installment of Jeremy Spinrad's column. appearing
in about two weeks.

Date: 16 Mar 2008 06:12:49
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: How much will you bet, Sam?

KINGSTON REPEATS HIS CHALLENGE TO SAM

<I have challenged Sam to put his money where his
mouth is. I have 10,000 actual, official American
dollars that say I have beaten an actual officially-titled
USCF master in an actual, serious, USCF-rated chess
gameI propose this bet not out of egotism; I readily
acknowledge that my chess-playing achievements are
nothing great. But it takes only one contrary instance to
refute "never," and I can always use a few bucks. Our
Sam expressed his opinion with great vehemence and
certainty, yet since I proposed the bet, he has remained
silenton the subject. If he is so sure, what's the problem?
He'd make an easy ten grand. > -- Taylor Kingston

EVER OR NEVER

I hereby renew my challenge to NMnot Taylor
Kingston to take a polygraph test about whether
either of us used bogus names on this forum.
.
Is he such an economic failure that he cannot
muster $10,000 to determine whether this writer ever
posted under such jr, wmiketwo and any other
monickers that he would care to have me deny when
taking such a polygraph test?

Taylor Kingston, who now tells us he is no great
shakes as a player (though always keeping his 2300+
Elo claim for, perhaps, less knowledgable audiences),
wants to bet about whether he ever defeated a master.

The idea here is that Sam used the "never" word, which
is incautious and frequently wrong when describing the lives
of anyone other than the only one we really know: our own.

Will NMnot Taylor Kingston finally tell us whether he
ever or never posted under the names of Paulie Graf and
Xylothist, among others? He can certainly use the word
"never" with some assurance on this point. Let us hear from him.

As Taylor Kingston, our class A player, put the
matter on June 5, 2005, in a susurrus of sauvely
expressed dishonesty: "Still, on the subject of
playing strength, I have never claimed to be any great
player, but I think with a peak Elo of 2300+, and a
top ranking of, as I recall, #46 in the country, I was
a tad better than weak."

You gotta love that "Still," "I think," and
above all "as I recall." His practice is to purr
when he lies outright.

Yours, Larry Parr

[email protected] wrote:
> I present again Sam Sloan's claim:
>
> "The fact is that Taylor Kingston has never beaten a master."
>
> Interested readers can check the original post here: http://tinyurl.com/27n2xd
>
> Sam's claim is quite absolute and unequivocal, and also
> unequivocally false. I have challenged Sam to put his money where his
> mouth is. I have 10,000 actual, official American dollars that say I
> have beaten an actual officially-titled USCF master in an actual,
> serious, USCF-rated chess game.
> I propose this bet not out of egotism; I readily acknowledge that my
> chess-playing achievements are nothing great. But it takes only one
> contrary instance to refute "never," and I can always use a few
> bucks.
> Our Sam expressed his opinion with great vehemence and certainty,
> yet since I proposed the bet, he has remained silent on the subject.
> If he is so sure, what's the problem? He'd make an easy ten grand. As
> I see it, the problems could be any or all of the following:
>
> 1. Sam is such an economic failure that he can't muster ten bucks in
> the same place at the same time, let alone ten thousand.
> 2. Sam has perhaps been trying to arrange a loan for the bet, acting
> on the "greater fool" theory, but has not been able to find anyone
> more foolish than himself.
> 3. Sam is not sane, and cannot distinguish between factual truth and
> his own dream-world.
> 4. Sam is an inveterate liar and smear-monger who will say anything,
> but he slinks away in silence when his lies are exposed.

Date: 15 Mar 2008 15:45:22
From: help bot
Subject: Re: How much will you bet, Sam?

On 15, 3:37 pm, [email protected] wrote:

> I present again Sam Sloan's claim:
>
> "The fact is that Taylor Kingston has never beaten a master."
>
> Interested readers can check the original post here:http://tinyurl.com/27n2xd
>
> Sam's claim is quite absolute and unequivocal

Not necessarily...

> and also
> unequivocally false. I have challenged Sam to put his money where his
> mouth is. I have 10,000 actual, official American dollars that say I
> have beaten an actual officially-titled USCF master in an actual,
> serious, USCF-rated chess game.

Who cares? The question is, have you
ever beaten a REAL master -- that is, one
certified as such by FIDE, the official
organization recognized the world over as
the only corrupt entity with the power and
influence necessary to buy everyone off
and thus, reign supreme.

Obviously, when Mr. Sloan used the term
"master", he must have been referring to
the title of /FIDE master/, commonly
abbreviated as "FM". Here is a list of
games in which Sam Sloan has defeated
FIDE masters:

And here are some examples of him
drawing IMs and GMs:

(Sorry, I'm having technical problems
with the scanner, so these game scores
might not display correctly on your
screen.)

> 1. Sam is such an economic failure that he can't muster ten bucks in
> the same place at the same time, let alone ten thousand.

We can rule this out on the basis that
Mr. Sloan has often entered such big-
money tournaments as the World Open;
real chess players know that Mr.
Goichberg does not give away entries
for free.

> 2. Sam has perhaps been trying to arrange a loan for the bet, acting
> on the "greater fool" theory, but has not been able to find anyone
> more foolish than himself.

> 3. Sam is not sane, and cannot distinguish between factual truth and
> his own dream-world.

Irrelevant. Nutters have always had a
decided tendency to excel at chess.

> 4. Sam is an inveterate liar and smear-monger who will say anything,
> but he slinks away in silence when his lies are exposed.

I like this one.

But I think an alternate explanation
might be that Mr. Sloan was looking to
"show off" his wins against some USCF
masters, and wanted a challenge to
produce them here. (Instead, he got a
mindless "give me $10K" diversion.)

Rather than blather on about money,
why not show us some annotations of
Mr. Sloan's many famous games? As
we know, even Dr. Phil IMnes can do
this, using the latest version of Rybka
in conjunction with the Fritz interface,
but that lends a rather robot-like style to
the writing. We have been told that the
style of TK is that of a careful researcher,
a flawless technician, a nearly-a-genius,
and Mr. Sloan's efforts could use a good
looking over.

-- help bot

Date: 15 Mar 2008 15:17:52
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Start your Challenge.

On 14, 5:03 am, Offramp <[email protected] > wrote:

> Three matches, all of them first to 10 wins, draws not counting. The
> first match to begin ch 10, 2010. If the score reaches 8-8 then I
> don't know what the fcku's going to happen.

You already specified that: the match would
continue until one of the two players reaches
a score of ten wins. (Why do so many folks
have trouble with such /simple logic/?)

The real issue is, what happens if both
players get to ten wins at exactly the same
time? ; >D

Date: 15 Mar 2008 12:37:05
From:
Subject: Re: How much will you bet, Sam?

I present again Sam Sloan's claim:

"The fact is that Taylor Kingston has never beaten a master."

Interested readers can check the original post here: http://tinyurl.com/27n2xd

Sam's claim is quite absolute and unequivocal, and also
unequivocally false. I have challenged Sam to put his money where his
mouth is. I have 10,000 actual, official American dollars that say I
have beaten an actual officially-titled USCF master in an actual,
serious, USCF-rated chess game.
I propose this bet not out of egotism; I readily acknowledge that my
chess-playing achievements are nothing great. But it takes only one
contrary instance to refute "never," and I can always use a few
bucks.
Our Sam expressed his opinion with great vehemence and certainty,
yet since I proposed the bet, he has remained silent on the subject.
If he is so sure, what's the problem? He'd make an easy ten grand. As
I see it, the problems could be any or all of the following:

1. Sam is such an economic failure that he can't muster ten bucks in
the same place at the same time, let alone ten thousand.
2. Sam has perhaps been trying to arrange a loan for the bet, acting
on the "greater fool" theory, but has not been able to find anyone
more foolish than himself.
3. Sam is not sane, and cannot distinguish between factual truth and
his own dream-world.
4. Sam is an inveterate liar and smear-monger who will say anything,
but he slinks away in silence when his lies are exposed.

Date: 14 Mar 2008 22:56:00
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: How much will you bet, Sam?

On 14, 5:53=A0pm, [email protected] wrote:
> =A0=A0 In another thread, Sam Sloan wrote:
>
> =A0=A0 "The fact is that Taylor Kingston has never beaten a master."
>
> =A0=A0 Would you care to bet on that, Sam? If so, how much? I'd like a
> =A0minimum bet of at least $10,000, but I'll go higher if you like.
>
> =A0 Well, we've heard from three people, none of them Sam Sloan, and
> none of them addressing the point here. Come on, Sam, put up or shut
> up.

Sam has gone into winter Sleep ZZZzzzzz..... May be he wakes up next
year.... ZZZzzzzz......

Date: 14 Mar 2008 14:47:10
From: Louis Blair
Subject: Re: How much will you bet, Sam?

On 13, 8:35=A0pm, "[email protected]" <[email protected] > wrote:
7 THE PAULIE-GRAF CHALLENGE
7
7 =A0 =A0 =A0 Concerning NMnot Taylor Kingston's challenge to
7 Sam Sloan for a $10,000 or larger bet: =A0I may as well
7 renew my challenge to NMnot and, given his recent
7 contributions to this site, one David Kane.
7
7 =A0 =A0 =A0 The bet size would be $10,000 plus another
7 several thousand to cover my travel and other
7 expenses Stateside for a polygraph test.
7
7 =A0 =A0 =A0 The question asked of me would be whether I ever
7 posted under bogus names such as wmiketwo, jr or any
7 other name my adversaries would care to adduce.
7 We can easily agree on a third party as stakesholder.
7 I would prefer a disinterested referee with the
7 respective funds placed in escrow.
7
7 =A0 =A0 =A0 Mr. 2300+ Elo would be asked whether he posted
7 under such monickers as paulie graf and Xylothist.
7
7 =A0 =A0 =A0 Heh, heh, heh.
7
7 =A0 =A0 =A0 I'm a ready teddie for such a bet. =A0Perhaps the
7 Messrs. David Kane, Louie Blair and Taylor Kingston
7 can pool their resources to fund their side of the bet.
7
7 Yours, Larry Parr

_
"I hereby issue a $10,000 lie detector
challenge to gutless Larry Parr!" - Vince
Hart (26 Feb 2006 07:47:25 -0800)
_
"What will be asked?" - Larry Parr
(26 Feb 2006 18:17:37 -0800)
_
"We can start with whether or not I am 'help bot'"
- Vince Hart (27 Feb 2006 04:51:14 -0800)
_
"Let's start with whether I genuinely suspect that
Vinnie Hart is our Help Bot. I certainly do but, of
course, I can't prove it." - Larry Parr (27 Feb 2006
16:50:41 -0800)
_
(Larry Parr subsequently changed his mind about the
identity of helpbot.)

Date: 14 Mar 2008 05:53:00
From:
Subject: Re: How much will you bet, Sam?

=A0 In another thread, Sam Sloan wrote:

=A0 "The fact is that Taylor Kingston has never beaten a master."

=A0 Would you care to bet on that, Sam? If so, how much? I'd like a
minimum bet of at least $10,000, but I'll go higher if you like.

Well, we've heard from three people, none of them Sam Sloan, and
none of them addressing the point here. Come on, Sam, put up or shut
up.

Date: 14 Mar 2008 02:03:54
From: Offramp
Subject: Re: Start your Challenge.

On 14, 8:24 am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:
> > "The fact is that Taylor Kingston has never beaten a master."
>
> > Would you care to bet on that, Sam? If so, how much? I'd like a
> > minimum bet of at least $10,000, but I'll go higher if you like.
>
> We should not leave it on chances/luck. There should be 3 Matches. And
> the person winning 2/3 or Maximum wins will be declared winner.

Three matches, all of them first to 10 wins, draws not counting. The
first match to begin ch 10, 2010. If the score reaches 8-8 then I
don't know what the fcku's going to happen.

Date: 14 Mar 2008 01:24:21
From: Sanny
Subject: Start your Challenge.

> =A0 "The fact is that Taylor Kingston has never beaten a master."
>
> =A0 Would you care to bet on that, Sam? If so, how much? I'd like a
> minimum bet of at least $10,000, but I'll go higher if you like.

We should not leave it on chances/luck. There should be 3 Matches. And
the person winning 2/3 or Maximum wins will be declared winner.

As in Chess sometimes good players make blunders. So taking 3 games
will give better judgement.

Master Level at GetClub plays somewhat like a Master in Middle game.

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

So have 3 games with Master Level and see how many of them can you
win. I suppose you will need 3 days for completing 3 games with Master
Level.

If Taylor Kingston win 2/3 games Sam Sloan will pay $10,000 to Taylor
Kingston and if Taylor kinggston looses more games to Master Level,
Then Taylor Kingston will pay to SamSloan.

If the Players (Sam Sloan/ Taylor Kingston) are poor (Financial
Problem) we can have Match for $1000 or even $100. Depending on their
financial status.

And the Winner send me 10% of your Earning for suggesting such an
idea.

2 things

1. Taylor Kingston will not take help from his Fritz Computer.
2. Will not refer any Books for Opening.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Date: 13 Mar 2008 20:39:37
From: Offramp
Subject: Re: How much will you bet, Sam?

On 14, 3:35 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected] > wrote:

> I would prefer a disinterested referee

He won't be hard to find YAAAAWN

Date: 13 Mar 2008 20:35:09
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: How much will you bet, Sam?

THE PAULIE-GRAF CHALLENGE

Concerning NMnot Taylor Kingston's challenge to
Sam Sloan for a $10,000 or larger bet: I may as well
renew my challenge to NMnot and, given his recent
contributions to this site, one David Kane.

The bet size would be $10,000 plus another
several thousand to cover my travel and other
expenses Stateside for a polygraph test.

The question asked of me would be whether I ever
posted under bogus names such as wmiketwo, jr or any
other name my adversaries would care to adduce.
We can easily agree on a third party as stakesholder.
I would prefer a disinterested referee with the
respective funds placed in escrow.

Mr. 2300+ Elo would be asked whether he posted
under such monickers as paulie graf and Xylothist.

Heh, heh, heh.

I'm a ready teddie for such a bet. Perhaps the
Messrs. David Kane, Louie Blair and Taylor Kingston
can pool their resources to fund their side of the bet.

Yours, Larry Parr

Date: 13 Mar 2008 19:12:59
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: How much will you bet, Sam?

SLAMMIN' SAMMY SLOAN

The Rapper-Tapper man has returned -- not to
confirm his initial statement that Taylor Kingston
did not contribute a shining moment when he
claimed to be 2300+ Elo.

Nope, Rapper-Tapper does this new song and
dance: I originally put the pressure on Kingston re
his playing strength. So what?

The issue was not a comment by me but the kind of
battering that NMnot Kingston was taking from Slammin'
Sammy during the delicious debate over their playing a
grudge match for money. Kingston chickened out on the
grounds that he couldn't stand to be in the same room and
breathe the same air with Sloan. Bill Brock, to his credit,
accepted the challenge and lost to Sam Sloan in Chicago.
.
Slammin' Sammy gets the credit or discredit for
brutally cornering into a weakminded lie.

Rapper-Tapper's rap-a-tappin'-tappin' on behalf
of his forum ally has nothing to do with Kingston's
idiotic lie that he was rated 2300+ Elo at the "peak"
of his career, whereas he was always a solid A player.

My money is on Sloan if Mr. 2300+ Elo ever
dares to face him over-the-board.

Yours, Larry Parr