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Date: 15 Jun 2008 00:15:16
From: Sanny
Subject: GetClub Chess made Twice Better.
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Today again GetClub Chess was further improved and it will play Twice
Better. This time a bug was removed.
1 week back GetClub was 16 times weaker than Normal Level. Now GetClub
Chess is just 8 times weaker than Rybka.
So The move Rybka takes 5 seconds to think, GetClub will take 5*8 = 40
Seconds.
So in 40 seconds GetClub will play same move that Rybka thinks in 5
seconds.
Still GetClub is just 8 times weaker than Rybka.
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
Here is a game between Rybka (5 sec / move) and GetClub Easy Level
(20-30 sec / move).
GetClub was getting 4 times more time but since GetClub is 8 times
weaker it could not stand against Rybka Tactics longer.
Easy Level lost the game in 38 moves. that was an improvement. Earlier
Easy Level could stand till just 32 moves against Rybka and we see an
increase of "6" moves due to improvements.
Game Played between Rybka and easy at GetClub.com
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Rybka : (White)
easy: (Black)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM20740&game=Chess
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White -- Black
(Rybka ) -- (easy)
1. d2-d4{2} d7-d5{0}
2. c2-c4{8} e7-e6{0}
3. e2-e3{14} Ng8-f6{30}
4. Nb1-c3{20} Nb8-c6{26}
5. Ng1-f3{16} Bf8-d6{22}
6. c4-c5{24} Bd6-e7{30}
7. Bf1-d3{20} Ke8-g8{22}
8. Ke1-g1{16} Nf6-g4{20}
9. h2-h3{18} Ng4-f6{26}
10. a2-a3{14} Bc8-d7{32}
11. b2-b4{16} b7-b6{26}
12. b4-b5{18} Nc6-a5{50}
13. c5-c6{14} Bd7-c6{30}
14. b5-c6{12} Na5-c6{32}
15. Qd1-a4{16} Qd8-d6{28}
16. Bc1-d2{24} g7-g6{20}
17. Rf1-c1{30} Ra8-d8{30}
18. Nc3-b5{20} Qd6-d7{22}
19. Qa4-c2{18} Nc6-d4{36}
20. e3-d4{18} c7-c5{28}
21. Nf3-e5{16} Qd7-b7{42}
22. d4-c5{22} Be7-c5{46}
23. Bd2-h6{22} Qb7-a8{40}
24. Qc2-b2{34} Nf6-h5{20}
25. Bh6-f8{18} Rd8-f8{20}
26. Ne5-d7{24} Rf8-c8{78}
27. Qb2-e5{18} Rc8-c6{26}
28. Ra1-b1{24} a7-a6{20}
29. Rc1-c5{14} b6-c5{32}
30. Nb5-d6{12} c5-c4{22}
31. Rb1-b8{14} Qa8-b8{24}
32. Nd7-b8{6} Rc6-b6{34}
33. Nd6-f7{16} Kg8-f7{34}
34. Qe5-c7{12} Kf7-f6{20}
35. Nb8-d7{18} Kf6-g5{20}
36. Qc7-b6{12} c4-d3{46}
37. Qb6-e3{12} Kg5-h4{24}
38. g2-g3{16} Nh5-g3{0}
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Rybka : (White)
easy: (Black)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM20740&game=Chess
Are the Chess players seeing improvement in GetClub Game?
Do you see how good the GetClub defend its king for 38 moves?
It was Easy Level and it was taking 4 times more time than Rybka But
Rybka is 8 times stronger So Rybka had the upper hand.
I think now, Normal Level will be able to DRAW with Rybka very easily.
And may be Normal Level wins against Rybka in some games. I will have
a match against Normal Level if possible and see what happens.
Normal thinks 16 times more than Rybka. But Rybka is Only 8 times
Stronger So Normal Level will have upper hand.
Now on Help Bot will find it much difficult to win the Higher Levels.
Start a new game and see how good it plays now.
Thankyou all for your suggestions, because of which the game is so
much improved.
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 18 Jun 2008 12:33:38
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Difficult game by Zebediah
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On Jun 18, 11:37 am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:
> Zebediah played a tough game against Master Level.
>
> Two things I do not understand.
>
> 1. Why he do not take the Knight on 14th, 15th and 16th Move. He could
> have easily taken the knight?
Because, after the pawn recaptures, White will
lose his Knight on f3 since it cannot safely move
due to the attack on the h-file.
> 2. In the end He sacrificed his Rook for a pawn Still found Mate in 5.
GetClub defended poorly. Take R/f-b8, for instance;
this was about the worst move on the board, apart
from moving something to a square attacked by an
enemy pawn.
> Game Played between zebediah and master at GetClub.com
> 21. d5-d6{460}
This is the /signature/ of a computer. As I said
before, I wouldn't worry over Zeb's computer
beating the GetClub program like carrots. You
are lucky he doesn't use Rybka 3.0, which will
pulverize GC like zuchinni.
-- help bot
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Date: 18 Jun 2008 11:21:51
From:
Subject: Re: Difficult game by Zebediah
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On Jun 18, 8:37=A0am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:
> Zebediah played a tough game against Master Level.
>
> Two things I do not understand.
>
> 1. Why he do not take the Knight on 14th, 15th and 16th Move. He could
> have easily taken the knight?
Because he was toying with you. GetClub was lost in the opening.
> 2. In the end He sacrificed his Rook for a pawn Still found Mate in 5.
Actually, after Rxh4 Qxh4, it's a Mate in 2.
> Don't you think GetClub is playing Stronger games now?
Quite the contrary; this is one of the worst games I've ever seen from
Master level.
jm
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Date: 18 Jun 2008 08:57:27
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Rybka still 260,000 times Stronger than GetClub.
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> I still have not noticed any computer-like
> strength at tactical play; there is something
> wrong when I can -- fairly easily, in fact --
> out-calculate an AMD Turion64 computer.
> TheGetClubprogram is probably below
> 2000 strength-- which explains how I can
> beat it like a carrot.
You have not Played with Master Level after the improvement. Play a
game with Master Level and tell how it played.
I find you are playing with Fast Easy Level instead. Master thinks 16
times longer So makes much better moves than Easy Level.
Each higher level thinks 4 times longer than lower level.
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 18 Jun 2008 08:54:04
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: GetClub Chess made Twice Better.
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On Jun 18, 2:26=A0pm, "ave" <[email protected] > wrote:
> > Normally Master Level will play in 10-20 min.
> > Only Once in a game it will take more than an hour.
>
> If achessprogram, at any point, takes more than 60 seconds to make a move=
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> I will just not play with that program ever again. Whether it's made twic=
e,
> twenty or a hundred times better. No way would I ever wait even close to =
an
> hour for a responce.
>
> ave
Master is the Highest Level.
Play With Beginner Level: 5-10 sec / move (For Fair Players)
Play With Easy Level: 20-40 sec / move (For good Players)
Play With Normal Level: 1-2 min / move (For Tournament Players)
Play With Master Level: 5-10 min / move (For High Rated Players)
So Beginner & Easy are quite fast and play reasionable.
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 19 Jun 2008 10:05:03
From: ave
Subject: Re: GetClub Chess made Twice Better.
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> Play With ...
I don't want to play with it at all. Really.
ave
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Date: 18 Jun 2008 08:37:06
From: Sanny
Subject: Difficult game by Zebediah
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Zebediah played a tough game against Master Level.
Two things I do not understand.
1. Why he do not take the Knight on 14th, 15th and 16th Move. He could
have easily taken the knight?
2. In the end He sacrificed his Rook for a pawn Still found Mate in 5.
Game Played between zebediah and master at GetClub.com
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zebediah: (White)
master: (Black)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM20911&game=Chess
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White -- Black
(zebediah) -- (master)
1. d2-d4{4} d7-d5{0}
2. c2-c4{2} e7-e6{0}
3. Nb1-c3{4} Ng8-f6{0}
4. Ng1-f3{4} c7-c6{0}
5. e2-e3{146} d5-c4{758}
6. Bf1-c4{28} Bf8-d6{498}
7. Ke1-g1{128} b7-b5{578}
8. Bc4-d3{118} b5-b4{488}
9. Nc3-e2{192} Bc8-a6{944}
10. Bd3-a6{2404} Nb8-a6{0}
11. Qd1-d3{4} Na6-b8{602}
12. e3-e4{368} Nf6-g4{776}
13. h2-h3{350} h7-h5{474}
14. Rf1-d1{1452} Nb8-d7{518}
15. Bc1-g5{572} Bd6-e7{554}
16. Bg5-e7{984} Qd8-e7{736}
17. Ra1-c1{1236} Ng4-f6{378}
18. Rc1-c6{1530} Ke8-g8{0}
19. d4-d5{402} e6-d5{322}
20. e4-d5{12} Nd7-e5{408}
21. d5-d6{460} Ne5-f3{566}
22. Qd3-f3{2038} Qe7-e5{0}
23. Ne2-f4{438} Rf8-b8{426}
24. Nf4-d5{592} Nf6-d5{652}
25. Qf3-d5{12} Qe5-b2{526}
26. Rc6-c7{64} Qb2-f6{708}
27. d6-d7{792} Qf6-d8{630}
28. Rd1-c1{24} h5-h4{422}
29. Rc1-c4{568} a7-a5{442}
30. Rc4-f4{13044} b4-b3{674}
31. Qd5-f7{58} Kg8-h8{348}
32. Rf4-h4{298} Qd8-h4{4}
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zebediah: (White)
master: (Black)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM20911&game=Chess
Don't you think GetClub is playing Stronger games now?
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 18 Jun 2008 00:50:51
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Rybka still 260,000 times Stronger than GetClub.
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On Jun 18, 2:49 am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:
> > > Yes, Rybka was 8 times Stronger thanGetClubwhen I told you. But
> > > after playing 2 more games It looks like now Rybka is 20-40 times
> > > Stronger thanGetClub. I think that Rybka has also improved in last
> > > week.
??? Are you playing some beta version, which
is updated weekly (or daily)? As far as I know,
the new version has yet to be released, so we
are stuck with the crummy, weak 3000-rated old
one for a while.
> > > I was thinkingGetClubNormal Level is playing as good as Rybka at 5
> > > seconds because there was a draw game. But latter I played 2 games
> > > between Normal & Rybka, I found Rybka won both the games in just 40
> > > moves.
>
> > > So Again I thinkGetClubis 20-40 times weaker than Rybka. SoGetClub
> > > plays a move in 30 seconds what Rybka will think in just 1 second.
>
> > > And Master Level which thinks 64 times longer will be able to win
> > > Rybka.
Wrong.
> > > I assume my descision only based on the results of games played.
Wrong. GC Master level has never beaten
Rybka; that's because it sometimes chooses
very bad moves, no matter how much time is
used.
> > > So Correct isGetClubis 20-40 times weaker than Rybka. This is the
> > > case whenGetClubRuns on my old Computer. And Rybka is tunning on a
> > > fast Server.
Speed is not the only thing which determines
the strength of play. The crucial aspect is the
handling of tactics; done incorrectly, as with
the GC program, strength becomes severely
limited.
I have played countless games at GetClub
where I switch screens and read emails, etc.,
while the program chugs away, sometimes
for well over an hour. In no case have I seen
all this wheel-spinning converted into sound,
deeply-considered positional play, as one
might expect from a human grandmaster in
tournament time controls (i.e. ~3 minutes
per move).
I still have not noticed any computer-like
strength at tactical play; there is something
wrong when I can -- fairly easily, in fact --
out-calculate an AMD Turion64 computer.
The GetClub program is probably below
2000 strength-- which explains how I can
beat it like a carrot.
-- help bot
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Date: 17 Jun 2008 23:49:48
From: Sanny
Subject: Rybka still 260,000 times Stronger than GetClub.
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On Jun 18, 10:40=A0am, [email protected] wrote:
> On Jun 17, 9:32=A0pm, Sanny <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > > I saw you say in two different posts thatGetClubwas now only 8 times
> > > weaker than Rybka. You were very specific about that number. But now
> > > you say that it is 10-20 times weaker AND that number is not correct?
> > > Then what's the point of comparing specifically against Rybka?
>
> > Yes, Rybka was 8 times Stronger thanGetClubwhen I told you. But
> > after playing 2 more games It looks like now Rybka is 20-40 times
> > Stronger thanGetClub. I think that Rybka has also improved in last
> > week.
>
> > I was thinkingGetClubNormal Level is playing as good as Rybka at 5
> > seconds because there was a draw game. But latter I played 2 games
> > between Normal & Rybka, I found Rybka won both the games in just 40
> > moves.
>
> > So Again I thinkGetClubis 20-40 times weaker than Rybka. SoGetClub
> > plays a move in 30 seconds what Rybka will think in just 1 second.
>
> > And Master Level which thinks 64 times longer will be able to win
> > Rybka.
>
> > I assume my descision only based on the results of games played. It is
> > interesting to note that the results change so much.
>
> > So Correct isGetClubis 20-40 times weaker than Rybka. This is the
> > case whenGetClubRuns on my old Computer. And Rybka is tunning on a
> > fast Server.
>
> > Bye
> > Sanny
>
> > PlayChessat:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
>
> You are making one very basic assumption that is almost certainly not
> true. You are assuming that, given enough time,GetClubwill find the
> same moves that Rybka finds at a particular time control (five seconds
> per move, for example).
>
> However, there appear to be many cases in whichGetClubplays moves
> that are so poor that Rybka would NEVER play them, even if it had only
> one second to think. Therefore, your whole method of comparison is
> invalid.
>
> I'm going to go out on a limb and try to estimate the true
> relationship between Rybka andGetClub. First of all, I am going to
> assume that, at one minute per move,GetClubplays around 1700. I am
> making this assumption based on various postings that I've seen.
> Secondly, I'm going to make the assumption that Rybka plays around
> 2600 at the same time control. I'm sure many people will disagree with
> those two guesses, and that's fine.
Ok that may be correct Correct According to me for 1 min/move Rybka:
3100, GetClub: 2200. Still a difference of 3100-2200=3D900.
Assuming Strength is Twice with +50 ratings.
Rybka is 2^18 times stronger than GetClub. 260,000 Times Stronger.
> Finally, I'm going to use the very general rule that each DOUBLING of
> CPU speed (which you seem to equate to strength, which is a very poor
> thing to assume, but I'm going to go along with it) increases rating
> by about 50 points. Therefore, withGetClubplaying around 900 points
> lower than Rybka, this would mean that Rybka is 2^18 (approximately
> 260,000) times weaker than Rybka.
Rybka is 260,000 Times Stronger than getclub So a long way to go.
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 17 Jun 2008 22:40:18
From:
Subject: Re: GetClub Chess made Twice Better.
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On Jun 17, 9:32=A0pm, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:
> > I saw you say in two different posts thatGetClubwas now only 8 times
> > weaker than Rybka. You were very specific about that number. But now
> > you say that it is 10-20 times weaker AND that number is not correct?
> > Then what's the point of comparing specifically against Rybka?
>
> Yes, Rybka was 8 times Stronger than GetClub when I told you. But
> after playing 2 more games It looks like now Rybka is 20-40 times
> Stronger than GetClub. I think that Rybka has also improved in last
> week.
>
> I was thinking GetClub Normal Level is playing as good as Rybka at 5
> seconds because there was a draw game. But latter I played 2 games
> between Normal & Rybka, I found Rybka won both the games in just 40
> moves.
>
> So Again I think GetClub is 20-40 times weaker than Rybka. So GetClub
> plays a move in 30 seconds what Rybka will think in just 1 second.
>
> And Master Level which thinks 64 times longer will be able to win
> Rybka.
>
> I assume my descision only based on the results of games played. It is
> interesting to note that the results change so much.
>
> So Correct is GetClub is 20-40 times weaker than Rybka. This is the
> case when GetClub Runs on my old Computer. And Rybka is tunning on a
> fast Server.
>
> Bye
> Sanny
>
> Play Chess at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
You are making one very basic assumption that is almost certainly not
true. You are assuming that, given enough time, GetClub will find the
same moves that Rybka finds at a particular time control (five seconds
per move, for example).
However, there appear to be many cases in which GetClub plays moves
that are so poor that Rybka would NEVER play them, even if it had only
one second to think. Therefore, your whole method of comparison is
invalid.
I'm going to go out on a limb and try to estimate the true
relationship between Rybka and GetClub. First of all, I am going to
assume that, at one minute per move, GetClub plays around 1700. I am
making this assumption based on various postings that I've seen.
Secondly, I'm going to make the assumption that Rybka plays around
2600 at the same time control. I'm sure many people will disagree with
those two guesses, and that's fine.
Finally, I'm going to use the very general rule that each DOUBLING of
CPU speed (which you seem to equate to strength, which is a very poor
thing to assume, but I'm going to go along with it) increases rating
by about 50 points. Therefore, with GetClub playing around 900 points
lower than Rybka, this would mean that Rybka is 2^18 (approximately
260,000) times weaker than Rybka.
You see how silly your comparisons are?
jm
jm
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Date: 17 Jun 2008 21:32:17
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: GetClub Chess made Twice Better.
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> I saw you say in two different posts thatGetClubwas now only 8 times
> weaker than Rybka. You were very specific about that number. But now
> you say that it is 10-20 times weaker AND that number is not correct?
> Then what's the point of comparing specifically against Rybka?
Yes, Rybka was 8 times Stronger than GetClub when I told you. But
after playing 2 more games It looks like now Rybka is 20-40 times
Stronger than GetClub. I think that Rybka has also improved in last
week.
I was thinking GetClub Normal Level is playing as good as Rybka at 5
seconds because there was a draw game. But latter I played 2 games
between Normal & Rybka, I found Rybka won both the games in just 40
moves.
So Again I think GetClub is 20-40 times weaker than Rybka. So GetClub
plays a move in 30 seconds what Rybka will think in just 1 second.
And Master Level which thinks 64 times longer will be able to win
Rybka.
I assume my descision only based on the results of games played. It is
interesting to note that the results change so much.
So Correct is GetClub is 20-40 times weaker than Rybka. This is the
case when GetClub Runs on my old Computer. And Rybka is tunning on a
fast Server.
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 17 Jun 2008 17:15:20
From:
Subject: Re: GetClub Chess made Twice Better.
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On Jun 17, 12:50=A0pm, SBD <[email protected] > wrote:
> On Jun 17, 12:42 pm, "J.D. Walker" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > [email protected] wrote:
> > >> Still GetClub is just 8 times weaker than Rybka.
>
> > > If Rybka is rated about 3000 ELO then GitClub, being 8 times weaker,
> > > would be rated around 375 ELO. =A0Maybe for once Sanny has it right!
>
> > Why would anyone want to play a program rated 375 that also cheats?
> > Perhaps, in the great diversity of our world, there is some strange
> > person that really enjoys being cheated by a chess program that plays
> > about as weakly as a trained chimp...
>
> As evidenced by the popularity of Stanley Random Chess (SRC)?
Wow! Haven't heard that term in a LONG time. :-D
jm
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Date: 17 Jun 2008 12:50:56
From: SBD
Subject: Re: GetClub Chess made Twice Better.
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On Jun 17, 12:42 pm, "J.D. Walker" <[email protected] > wrote:
> [email protected] wrote:
> >> Still GetClub is just 8 times weaker than Rybka.
>
> > If Rybka is rated about 3000 ELO then GitClub, being 8 times weaker,
> > would be rated around 375 ELO. Maybe for once Sanny has it right!
>
> Why would anyone want to play a program rated 375 that also cheats?
> Perhaps, in the great diversity of our world, there is some strange
> person that really enjoys being cheated by a chess program that plays
> about as weakly as a trained chimp...
As evidenced by the popularity of Stanley Random Chess (SRC)?
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Date: 17 Jun 2008 10:29:18
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: GetClub Chess made Twice Better.
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> Still GetClub is just 8 times weaker than Rybka.
If Rybka is rated about 3000 ELO then GitClub, being 8 times weaker,
would be rated around 375 ELO. Maybe for once Sanny has it right!
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Date: 17 Jun 2008 10:42:37
From: J.D. Walker
Subject: Re: GetClub Chess made Twice Better.
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[email protected] wrote:
>> Still GetClub is just 8 times weaker than Rybka.
>
> If Rybka is rated about 3000 ELO then GitClub, being 8 times weaker,
> would be rated around 375 ELO. Maybe for once Sanny has it right!
Why would anyone want to play a program rated 375 that also cheats?
Perhaps, in the great diversity of our world, there is some strange
person that really enjoys being cheated by a chess program that plays
about as weakly as a trained chimp...
--
"Do that which is right..."
Rev. J.D. Walker
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Date: 18 Jun 2008 16:11:25
From: nobody
Subject: Re: GetClub Chess made Twice Better.
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J.D. Walker wrote:
>
> [email protected] wrote:
> >> Still GetClub is just 8 times weaker than Rybka.
> >
> > If Rybka is rated about 3000 ELO then GitClub, being 8 times weaker,
> > would be rated around 375 ELO. Maybe for once Sanny has it right!
>
> Why would anyone want to play a program rated 375 that also cheats?
> Perhaps, in the great diversity of our world, there is some strange
> person that really enjoys being cheated by a chess program that plays
> about as weakly as a trained chimp...
Funnily enough, I'd never before considered helpbot 'strange' but now
that you mention it - yes, it does take all kinds doesn't it? Also iirc,
Taylor Kingston was an earlier gitclub procrastinator, who now seems to
have seen the light & moved on, so to speak..
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Date: 17 Jun 2008 09:25:58
From:
Subject: Re: GetClub Chess made Twice Better.
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On Jun 17, 4:35=A0am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:
> On Jun 17, 8:34=A0am, [email protected] wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 15, 12:15=A0am, Sanny <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > StillGetClubis just 8 times weaker than Rybka.
>
> > You do realize that you now only get three more "GetClub'sstrength
> > has been doubled" posts before you're engine is supposed to be equal
> > to Rybka, right?
>
> > Three more....
>
> > Actually, I think that if anybody did the math on the absolutely
> > ludicrous improvements that Sanny has claimed, thatGetClubwas
> > originally about 148,000 times weaker than Rybka.
>
> > jm
>
> Yes, 2 years Back GetClub was atleast 100,000 times weaker than Rybka.
> I remember Beginner Level taking 2 hours for a move while now it plays
> much stronger move in just 5 seconds.
>
> Now, It is very difficult to improve the game further. So I do not
> think GetClub can get Equal to Rybka easily. Now, I have stopped
> improving the game as it is very difficult to improve it further.
>
> Rybka is still 10-20 times Stronger than GetClub. But the comparision
> is not correct Since Rybka is running on a server and GetClub on a Old
> System.
>
> If anyone has Rybka Play a game and tell me how good Normal Level
> plays against Rybka.
>
> Bye
> Sanny
>
> Play Chess at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
I saw you say in two different posts that GetClub was now only 8 times
weaker than Rybka. You were very specific about that number. But now
you say that it is 10-20 times weaker AND that number is not correct?
Then what's the point of comparing specifically against Rybka?
Sanny, I strongly suggest to you that you just worry about improving
your engine in and of itself, and let other people make the
comparisons to other engines. You clearly have no idea how weak your
engine is.
jm
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Date: 18 Jun 2008 15:01:45
From: Thomas T. Veldhouse
Subject: Re: GetClub Chess made Twice Better.
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In rec.games.chess.computer [email protected] wrote:
>
> I saw you say in two different posts that GetClub was now only 8 times
> weaker than Rybka. You were very specific about that number. But now
> you say that it is 10-20 times weaker AND that number is not correct?
> Then what's the point of comparing specifically against Rybka?
>
> Sanny, I strongly suggest to you that you just worry about improving
> your engine in and of itself, and let other people make the
> comparisons to other engines. You clearly have no idea how weak your
> engine is.
>
I wish everybody would just ignore COMPLETELY the Sanny SPAM troll. That is
the only reason he come here ... the ONLY REASON, and that is to put his URL
all over the place. If you all quit talking to the guy, he will hush up an go
away.
Please?
--
Thomas T. Veldhouse
Religion is a crutch, but that's okay... humanity is a cripple.
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Date: 17 Jun 2008 08:55:18
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: GetClub Chess made Twice Better.
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On Jun 17, 7:52=A0pm, Bjoern <[email protected] > wrote:
> Sanny wrote:
> > Master will play in 10-20 min and Maximum 1.5 hours if earth is
> > falling. But never greater than that.
>
> That comment just makes me laugh. Mast Level has just taken well over
> 6000 seconds to make a move and seems to take over an hour for a lot of
> the moves. And even then it makes dreadful tactical mistakes. Really,
> the computer should just forfeit the game if it can't keep to the time
> limit.
If it is taking more than 1.5 hours Close the Browser and restart the
game. I think there is some error. Else It will always play in 1.5
hour as after that Computer is forced to make the best move even if it
gives out a Rook/Queen.
Restart and see it plays faster or not.
Normally Master Level will play in 10-20 min. Only Once in a game it
will take more than an hour.
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 18 Jun 2008 10:26:21
From: ave
Subject: Re: GetClub Chess made Twice Better.
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> Normally Master Level will play in 10-20 min.
> Only Once in a game it will take more than an hour.
If a chess program, at any point, takes more than 60 seconds to make a move.
I will just not play with that program ever again. Whether it's made twice,
twenty or a hundred times better. No way would I ever wait even close to an
hour for a responce.
ave
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Date: 17 Jun 2008 05:26:17
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: GetClub Chess made Twice Better.
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> =A0 I've been avoiding radically sharp play, in favor
> of dull, closed openings; that's because the
> program does silly things on its own and I want
> to give it maximum leeway to do so, not force it
> to find "correct" moves by making direct threats
> early on. =A0The down-side is that the games are
> rather boring for spectators, and yes, it often
> takes me a lot of moves to win.
Yes, I saw you won Normal Level in 70 Moves. So Master will be too
heavy for you.
Remember again: Never play with Advance Level unless you can deveote 6
hours dor a few moves.
Master will play in 10-20 min and Maximum 1.5 hours if earth is
falling. But never greater than that.
Each Higher Level takes 4 times more time than Lower Level and its
depth of search is usually 2 more than the lower one.
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 17 Jun 2008 16:52:07
From: Bjoern
Subject: Re: GetClub Chess made Twice Better.
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Sanny wrote:
> Master will play in 10-20 min and Maximum 1.5 hours if earth is
> falling. But never greater than that.
That comment just makes me laugh. Mast Level has just taken well over
6000 seconds to make a move and seems to take over an hour for a lot of
the moves. And even then it makes dreadful tactical mistakes. Really,
the computer should just forfeit the game if it can't keep to the time
limit.
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Date: 17 Jun 2008 04:35:52
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: GetClub Chess made Twice Better.
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On Jun 17, 8:34=A0am, [email protected] wrote:
> On Jun 15, 12:15=A0am, Sanny <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > StillGetClubis just 8 times weaker than Rybka.
>
> You do realize that you now only get three more "GetClub'sstrength
> has been doubled" posts before you're engine is supposed to be equal
> to Rybka, right?
>
> Three more....
>
> Actually, I think that if anybody did the math on the absolutely
> ludicrous improvements that Sanny has claimed, thatGetClubwas
> originally about 148,000 times weaker than Rybka.
>
> jm
Yes, 2 years Back GetClub was atleast 100,000 times weaker than Rybka.
I remember Beginner Level taking 2 hours for a move while now it plays
much stronger move in just 5 seconds.
Now, It is very difficult to improve the game further. So I do not
think GetClub can get Equal to Rybka easily. Now, I have stopped
improving the game as it is very difficult to improve it further.
Rybka is still 10-20 times Stronger than GetClub. But the comparision
is not correct Since Rybka is running on a server and GetClub on a Old
System.
If anyone has Rybka Play a game and tell me how good Normal Level
plays against Rybka.
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 16 Jun 2008 20:34:43
From:
Subject: Re: GetClub Chess made Twice Better.
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On Jun 15, 12:15=A0am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:
>
> Still GetClub is just 8 times weaker than Rybka.
>
You do realize that you now only get three more "GetClub's strength
has been doubled" posts before you're engine is supposed to be equal
to Rybka, right?
Three more....
Actually, I think that if anybody did the math on the absolutely
ludicrous improvements that Sanny has claimed, that GetClub was
originally about 148,000 times weaker than Rybka.
jm
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Date: 16 Jun 2008 20:16:22
From: help bot
Subject: Re: GetClub Chess made Twice Better.
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On Jun 16, 10:43 pm, "[email protected]" <[email protected] >
wrote:
> > Wow, that means it's rated about 6000 now.
>
> The rating is now so high that 32 bit integers do not suffice.
What about "00000000000000000000000000001600" ?
> > Look out ChessBase, when GetClub is available to consumers, your goose
> > is cooked.
>
> GitClub scoffs at inferior trash such as Rybka and Shredder. GitClub
> doesn't even acknowledge lowlife junk such as Hiarcs and Fritz. They
> are mere carrots, nay, even celery or rutabagas.
>
> In viral fashion, the strength of GitClub doubles with every new
> posting Sanny pulls out of his butt.
I just played the Normal level again, as suggested
by Sanny. He will undoubtedly be here tonight, to
brag about how it took me a lot of moves to mop up,
and to announce another of his imaginary two-fold
speed-ups.
A very closed game, nobody made any particular
headway until some pawn exchanges took place
midway through. Then the program hung a pawn
and got itself into a nasty pin, costing it decisive
material. The final third of the game was just a
routine mop-up job. Still, it plays far better than,
say, the Boris Diplomat or the Atari2600 used to.
(Note to Sanny: 2600 was just a model number,
not a chess rating.)
I've been avoiding radically sharp play, in favor
of dull, closed openings; that's because the
program does silly things on its own and I want
to give it maximum leeway to do so, not force it
to find "correct" moves by making direct threats
early on. The down-side is that the games are
rather boring for spectators, and yes, it often
takes me a lot of moves to win.
-- help bot
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Date: 16 Jun 2008 19:43:50
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: GetClub Chess made Twice Better.
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> Wow, that means it's rated about 6000 now.
The rating is now so high that 32 bit integers do not suffice.
> Look out ChessBase, when GetClub is available to consumers, your goose
> is cooked.
GitClub scoffs at inferior trash such as Rybka and Shredder. GitClub
doesn't even acknowledge lowlife junk such as Hiarcs and Fritz. They
are mere carrots, nay, even celery or rutabagas.
In viral fashion, the strength of GitClub doubles with every new
posting Sanny pulls out of his butt.
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Date: 15 Jun 2008 08:44:41
From: geepeedee
Subject: Re: GetClub Chess made Twice Better.
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On Jun 15, 3:15=A0am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:
> Today again GetClub Chess was further improved and it will play Twice
> Better. This time a bug was removed.
>
> 1 week back GetClub was 16 times weaker than Normal Level. Now GetClub
> Chess is just 8 times weaker than Rybka.
>
> So The move Rybka takes 5 seconds to think, GetClub will take 5*8 =3D 40
> Seconds.
>
> So in 40 seconds GetClub will play same move that Rybka thinks in 5
> seconds.
>
> Still GetClub is just 8 times weaker than Rybka.
>
> Play Chess at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
>
> Here is a game between Rybka (5 sec / move) and GetClub Easy Level
> (20-30 sec / move).
>
> GetClub was getting 4 times more time but since GetClub is 8 times
> weaker it could not stand against Rybka Tactics longer.
>
> Easy Level lost the game in 38 moves. that was an improvement. Earlier
> Easy Level could stand till just 32 moves against Rybka and we see an
> increase of "6" moves due to improvements.
>
> Game Played between Rybka and easy at GetClub.com
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------=
-=AD-----
> Rybka : (White)
> easy: (Black)
> Game Played at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
> View Recorded Game:http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=3DDM20740&game=
=3DChess
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------=
-=AD-----
>
> White -- Black
> (Rybka ) -- (easy)
>
> 1. d2-d4{2} d7-d5{0}
> 2. c2-c4{8} e7-e6{0}
> 3. e2-e3{14} Ng8-f6{30}
> 4. Nb1-c3{20} Nb8-c6{26}
> 5. Ng1-f3{16} Bf8-d6{22}
> 6. c4-c5{24} Bd6-e7{30}
> 7. Bf1-d3{20} Ke8-g8{22}
> 8. Ke1-g1{16} Nf6-g4{20}
> 9. h2-h3{18} Ng4-f6{26}
> 10. a2-a3{14} Bc8-d7{32}
> 11. b2-b4{16} b7-b6{26}
> 12. b4-b5{18} Nc6-a5{50}
> 13. c5-c6{14} Bd7-c6{30}
> 14. b5-c6{12} Na5-c6{32}
> 15. Qd1-a4{16} Qd8-d6{28}
> 16. Bc1-d2{24} g7-g6{20}
> 17. Rf1-c1{30} Ra8-d8{30}
> 18. Nc3-b5{20} Qd6-d7{22}
> 19. Qa4-c2{18} Nc6-d4{36}
> 20. e3-d4{18} c7-c5{28}
> 21. Nf3-e5{16} Qd7-b7{42}
> 22. d4-c5{22} Be7-c5{46}
> 23. Bd2-h6{22} Qb7-a8{40}
> 24. Qc2-b2{34} Nf6-h5{20}
> 25. Bh6-f8{18} Rd8-f8{20}
> 26. Ne5-d7{24} Rf8-c8{78}
> 27. Qb2-e5{18} Rc8-c6{26}
> 28. Ra1-b1{24} a7-a6{20}
> 29. Rc1-c5{14} b6-c5{32}
> 30. Nb5-d6{12} c5-c4{22}
> 31. Rb1-b8{14} Qa8-b8{24}
> 32. Nd7-b8{6} Rc6-b6{34}
> 33. Nd6-f7{16} Kg8-f7{34}
> 34. Qe5-c7{12} Kf7-f6{20}
> 35. Nb8-d7{18} Kf6-g5{20}
> 36. Qc7-b6{12} c4-d3{46}
> 37. Qb6-e3{12} Kg5-h4{24}
> 38. g2-g3{16} Nh5-g3{0}
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------=
-=AD-----
> =A0Rybka : (White)
> easy: (Black)
> Game Played at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
> View Recorded Game:http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=3DDM20740&game=
=3DChess
>
> Are the Chess players seeing improvement in GetClub Game?
>
> Do you see how good the GetClub defend its king for 38 moves?
>
> It was Easy Level and it was taking 4 times more time than Rybka But
> Rybka is 8 times stronger So Rybka had the upper hand.
>
> I think now, Normal Level will be able to DRAW with Rybka very easily.
> And may be Normal Level wins against Rybka in some games. I will have
> a match against Normal Level if possible and see what happens.
>
> Normal thinks 16 times more than Rybka. But Rybka is Only 8 times
> Stronger So Normal Level will have upper hand.
>
> Now on Help Bot will find it much difficult to win the Higher Levels.
> Start a new game and see how good it plays now.
>
> Thankyou all for your suggestions, because of which the game is so
> much improved.
>
> Bye
> Sanny
>
> Play Chess at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
Wow, that means it's rated about 6000 now.
Look out ChessBase, when GetClub is available to consumers, your goose
is cooked.
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