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Date: 26 Nov 2008 01:57:17
From: Offramp
Subject: Fischer's annotations to his games 1970 to 1972
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D'you remember this ebay item?
<<"Purchased at a Southern California Flea market about 6 years ago,
here are some of Bobby Fischer's personal items presumably from the
infamous storage locker, which was said to have been sold for lack of
rent payment. It is a unique opportunity for someone in the
International Chess community to preserve the legacy of whom many feel
is the most talented chess player of all time. I have tried many times
in the last few years to reach Mr. Fischer about these items, but have
had no response. Briefly summarized, what is being offered is:
1. An original manuscript and galley prints of Bobby's best
selling book, "My 60 most memorable games" (originally titled, My life
in Chess) This covers an entire table top (see Pic) and contains
numerous notes and corrections which shoud make fasinating study for
years to come. (Note, this is said to have been written on a
typewriter which he won at one of his early tournaments) Because of
the high interest in the manuscript, I have scanned a typical one of
the approximate 400 pages of what was then called "52 Tournament
Games" Note, as with the crib books below, the notes do not appear to
be in Mr. Fischer's handwriting, perhaps that of Larry Evans
2. A ceramic plaque given to Bobby, Bahia Blanca, 3/11/71
3. About 20 meticulously crafted "crib" notes for tournament
preparation:
Taimanov as white, English
Taminaov as black, silician
Taminaov as black, Nimzo, Queen's Indian, obojebow's
Taminaov as white, Nimzo, Queen's Indian, obojebow's
Taminaov as black-sicilians
Taimanov as white, QGA,
Taimanov as black, English, Birds,
Taimanov as white,.
Petrosian White, King's indian:samisch
Petrosian as Black, Sicilian Najdorf
Petrosian as Black, Flank
Petrosian as White, Nimzo-Indian-Modern
Petrosian Black, QGD
Petrosian Black, French Winawer
Petrosian White, QGA
Spassky, Black, d4 Quyeen's Gambit, Modern Benoni, Dutch, M
Spassky as White, King's Indian, Grunfeld, Benoni, Nimzo(3 volumes)
Note, each book contains at least 50 games all written by hand or
typewritten (about 1/2 and 1/2) and categorized by opening moves
(please note, the handwritten ones are not by Bobby, sorry if that was
the impression. I was informed that the handwritten ones are most
likely done by British master Bob Wade. Thanks for the info)
4. Informates #2 to 38
5. About 300 foreign chess books (Bobby has been heard to say that he
felt he had one of the best collections anywhere) these are roughly
divided between modern as well as many older issues, Some are signed
"Bobby Fischer"
6. About 200 English language Chess books, many incscribed :to Bobby
with a personal message. One is signed by his mother on his Birthday.
7. About 35 mint copies of Bobby's Book about being incarcerated in
the Pasadena Jail overnight.
8. An original manuscript of a Chess story "End Game" by Walsashek
9. Legal papers about Bobby's attempt to copywrite a Chess move
10. 2 boxes of non chess reading material containing a wide variety of
spiritual, political, religous, and other material of an extremely
personal nature.
11, For an example of the chess books, one box contains the following:
American Chess Quarterly, v1#1-v1#4, 1956 mint bound volume
American Chess Quarterly, v2#1-v2#4, 1962 mint bound volume
Chess Olympiea Skopje 1972
The Soviet School of Chess, Moscow 1958, some water damage
British Chess Magazine, jan-dec 1984 mint bound volume
British Chess Magazine, jan-dec 1985 mint bound volume
Chess magazine, 12 issues, 1889, 1 bound volume
Chess, volume 49, June 84-Mar 85
Chess, volume 50, April 85-feb 86
"My best Games of Chess 1908-1923 Alekhin" hard cover,
"The world's great chess games" Fine, 1951
Europe Echecs, bound volumes 1968
Art of Chess, Mason 1913
Principles of Chess, Mason, 1913
View-Schach, four handed chess, german paperback, 1909
Nouveau Manuel Du Jeu Des Echecs, 1919
Weltgeschichte des Schachs, Lieferung 27, Boris Spassky, german 1972
"Adolf Anderssen", Leipzig, 1912, german, 553 pps, good condition
Title Chess, 72 US Chess Championship
British Chess, 1968, kenneth mathews
"Every Game Check Mate", London 1916
"Chess of Today" Alfred Emery, London, 1923
Comparative Chess, Marshall, 1932, mint
"Chess Openings Ancient and Modern",
"Chess Strategy, Lasker", First Ed. 1921
"Chess Scandals", 1978, '78 world chess championship
Netanya 1971 bulletin, Israel chess federation
"Mar Del Plata, 1968", Argentina Spanish paperback 128 pps
"Das Internationale Schachmeisterturnier BERLIN 1928" german mint
"Warsaw 1935 International Team Tournament", HB, slight water damage
"Carl Schlechter, Sein Leben Und Schaffen von B. Kagan", 1918, spine
damaged
The entire collection is boxed in 17 cardboard boxes, with a total
weight of approximately ~500 lbs.
The bidding was opened on December 09, 2005, at 23:13:49 PST and ends
December 19, 2005, at 23:13:49 PST. The starting bid is US $15,000.00.
So far there have been no offers. >>
(http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=2798 and other sites.)
Priceless stuff. Where is it now? All split up, I suppose. The USCF
should have bought it straight away. even so as to give back.
But I wonder if somewhere, along the mighty pilgrimage of his life, at
some point Fischer write notes to his games from 1969 to 1972?
Normally chess players do write notes - it is supposed to be a way to
improve. But if RJF thought that he was being tuned into by Soviet
spies then he may have completely ignored the games so that the
Russians couldn't see his thoughts about them.
Fischer's thoughts would have been great; but I suppose they are no
longer essential with the advent of computers.
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Date: 26 Nov 2008 16:27:00
From: SAT W-7
Subject: Re: Fischer's annotations to his games 1970 to 1972
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He died already , but he was the best too me too....
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Date: 26 Nov 2008 06:28:05
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Fischer's annotations to his games 1970 to 1972
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On Nov 26, 4:57=A0am, Offramp <[email protected] > wrote:
> But I wonder if somewhere, along the mighty pilgrimage of his life, at
> some point Fischer write notes to his games from 1969 to 1972?
> Normally chess players do write notes - it is supposed to be a way to
> improve. But if RJF thought that he was being tuned into by Soviet
> spies then he may have completely ignored the games so that the
> Russians couldn't see his thoughts about them.
>
> Fischer's thoughts would have been great; but I suppose they are no
> longer essential with the advent of computers.
During the time when Mr. Fischer was ranting
and raving about the loss of his in-storage items,
he tossed in some commentary regarding the
games of other players, such as then world
champion Mr. Kasparov and former champ
Mr. Karpov. Apparently, BF had analyzed
/their games/, and you might be able to extract
a few of the man's thoughts or delusions, as it
were.
The main value of having the annotations of
the players (not just the winner) is that they
can reveal what a player was thinking-- well,
provided he is honest about it. But it is true
that with the advent of powerful computers,
we no longer need worry about missing out
on world champion level move analysis.
In fact, a while back I was perusing the Web
site of Mr. Winter, who seemed in a quandry
over what Mr. Fischer had meant in one of
his brief, published comments about some
chess position. A reader had written in with
a "correction", and BF's response was
something like "Right, Mr. Jones!", yet BF
had repeated his original analysis, rather
than replacing it with the "corrected" line.
I punched the position into my computer
and instantly discovered why: both the
original analysis and the suggested
improvement were of equal (numerical)
value, so even though the move seemed
superior at first blush, it did not "refute" or
substantively improve upon Mr. Fischer's
original analysis. BF apparently decided
to include both-- mystery solved.
Generally speaking, one cannot always
trust what competitors might say, for
there remains the distinct possibility of
a calculaed lie, designed to trick future
opponents. Thus, it may be that an
offhand comment garnered immediately
after a game has concluded will reveal
more truth than something said later
on (when a player may have found an
improvement he wishes to spring, and
revealing the truth might forewarn of the
danger).
More often than not, the creatures who
call themselves "journalists" will try to
foist their own opinions or some hidden
agenda on their victims, posing their
questions in a way as to lead, sway, or
otherwise manipulate the answers, and
thus it is difficult to know what BF may
have thought, except that he definitelty
was hopping mad about his property
being grabbed. I found it a tad surpris-
ing that BF seemed to prize some token
item given to him by a U.S. president;
perhaps it was vanity on his part; getting
recognition from such a famous man,
even if BF despised the government he
represented.
-- help bot
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