Fischer, Fine, Kasparov on the USCF

Main

Date: 26 Oct 2007 05:52:08
From: [email protected]
Subject: Fischer, Fine, Kasparov on the USCF

CHESS LIES

BOBBY FISCHER: "I have nothing to do with them...I would appreciate it
if all my fans canceled their subscriptions to their horrible magazine
Chess Life. I call it Chess Lies and withdrew from the membership of
this organization."

REUBEN FINE: "The USCF is a meaningless paper organization, generally
antagonistic to the needs of its masters."

GARRY KASPAROV: "The small minded leaders of the USCF try to keep it
an amateur game and must be purged like entrenched Communist
bureaucrats."

Date: 31 Oct 2007 13:33:07
From: samsloan
Subject: Re: Fischer, Fine, Kasparov on the USCF

On Oct 31, 4:05 pm, "Chess One" <[email protected] > wrote:

> my writing gets to twice as many people as read chess life per month, more
> than that, and its not luck nor money that propels it. don't worry about
> this - its nothing to do with you
>
> phil innes

I wonder why he is proud of the fact that his unintelligible nonsense
"gets to twice as many people as read chess life per month"? Since
nobody can figure out what he is trying to say, is that something to
be proud of?

Sam Sloan

Date: 31 Oct 2007 21:17:09
From: Chess One
Subject: Re: Fischer, Fine, Kasparov on the USCF

"samsloan" <[email protected] > wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Oct 31, 4:05 pm, "Chess One" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> my writing gets to twice as many people as read chess life per month,
>> more
>> than that, and its not luck nor money that propels it. don't worry about
>> this - its nothing to do with you
>>
>> phil innes
>
> I wonder why he is proud of the fact that his unintelligible nonsense
> "gets to twice as many people as read chess life per month"? Since
> nobody can figure out what he is trying to say, is that something to
> be proud of?

nobody times 5,000 every day

sad, but true. and in your newsgroup you provide, what? 90% of the
'messages' - if I didn't stimulate a Delegate's 'thinking' it would be
completely dead!

how reduced you are, Sloan, to so obviously resent every level of success.

here it is modest notoriety, and only because it is challenged by an
abusenik who writes about episodes of dead 'c' players.

but every day you write 10 trashy stories about either Polgar or Truong, and
can you really think anyone here doesn't understand why that is?

R

O

F

L

!

!

!

you don't even understand the uses people put you to, you political patzer!
the very thing you want, is the thing you attack because you cannot possess
it - because no-one can possess that - or it kills it

ponder that a bit, or ask Larry what it means :)

Phil Innes

> Sam Sloan
>

Date: 28 Oct 2007 22:38:01
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Fischer, Fine, Kasparov on the USCF

On Oct 28, 6:04 pm, David Richerby <[email protected] >
wrote:
> [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:
> > BOBBY FISCHER: "..."
> > REUBEN FINE: "..."
> > GARRY KASPAROV: "..."
>
> Citations, please. When and where were these things said?

The dramatic effect would be ruined if Mr. Parr had placed
these quotes into their proper perspectives, and that of course
would defeat the whole purpose of the piece.

Upon further reflection, it suddenly hit me why BF's request
could and would not be granted by the members: they did not
merely "subscribe" to Chess Life -- oh no! The USCF had a
stranglehold on official chess ratings, and by bundling this
service along with a subscription to CL, they effectively
forced USCF-rated players to buy the rag, regardless of its
inherent quality. This has been true since the advent of
published USCF ratings, so when folks like me who barely
had time to read /part/ of CL got ads in the mail from English
language competitors, the easy choice was to decline and
just keep reading the second-rate rag we got as a matter of
course. This keting strategy has artificially kept Chess
Life afloat for decades, in spite of everything.

-- help bot

Date: 28 Oct 2007 23:04:45
From: David Richerby
Subject: Re: Fischer, Fine, Kasparov on the USCF

[email protected] <[email protected] > wrote:
> BOBBY FISCHER: "..."
> REUBEN FINE: "..."
> GARRY KASPAROV: "..."

Citations, please. When and where were these things said?

Dave.

--
David Richerby Fluorescent Indelible Book (TM): it's
www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~davidr/ like a romantic novel but it can't be
erased and it'll hurt your eyes!

Date: 26 Oct 2007 18:23:20
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Fischer, Fine, Kasparov on the USCF

On Oct 26, 6:03 pm, samsloan <[email protected] > wrote:

> Gregory Alexander does not seem to be at all concerned that my
> reputation was ruined by 2463 Fake Sam Sloan postings, plus the
> reputations of several other individuals were harmed as well.

In what way was your reputation "ruined" by anyone
other than yourself? Unless you have everyone in rgc
killfiled, I don't see how you could reasonably hold that
your reputation was intact before the Fake Sloan
postings started.

Perhaps what you meant was that in spite of all your
own efforts, the Fake Sloan still somehow managed to
inflict even more damage to what little remained of your
already-ruined reputation. No, wait -- that won't get you
beans in a lawsuit for money damages. (shrugs)

-- help bot

Date: 26 Oct 2007 18:16:19
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Fischer, Fine, Kasparov on the USCF

On Oct 26, 5:43 pm, Mike Murray <[email protected] > wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 20:29:27 GMT, "Chess One" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >What will you do with yourself after all this is resolved by grown-ups?
>
> Probably make do with watching you make a fool of yourself over and
> over. Same old, same old. Been there, done that. But it beats
> working.
>
> When do you plan to take a refresher in English comp and training in
> use of spelling and syntax checkers?

I would not advise IM Innes to try and make the switch
to checkers; those guys are really tough, and will draw
the daylights out of you. At least with chess he can
fire up Rybka and win any time he wants.

As for growing up -- that leads to growing old, which
leads to dyin', and dyin', to me, don't sound like all that
much fun.

-- redneck bot

Date: 26 Oct 2007 18:05:19
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Fischer, Fine, Kasparov on the USCF

On Oct 26, 7:52 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected] > wrote:
> CHESS LIES
>
> BOBBY FISCHER: "I have nothing to do with them...I would appreciate it
> if all my fans canceled their subscriptions to their horrible magazine
> Chess Life. I call it Chess Lies and withdrew from the membership of
> this organization."
>
> REUBEN FINE: "The USCF is a meaningless paper organization, generally
> antagonistic to the needs of its masters."
>
> GARRY KASPAROV: "The small minded leaders of the USCF try to keep it
> an amateur game and must be purged like entrenched Communist
> bureaucrats."

It seems to me that these criticisms fall into different
categories:

RF and GK were attacking the USCF for not catering to
the desire$ of the elite players; but BF, OTOH, was saying
that Chess Life -- the magazine -- was full of lies. This
makes sense if you think about it, because the USCF *did*
cater to the desires of BF, did support him against FIDE.

The withdrawal from membership was irrelevant; BF no
longer played in any USCF tournaments, didn't like their
magazine, and certainly didn't need a "member discount"
on equipment or supplies.

As for purging "entrenched" Commie "bureaucrats", this
was accomplished when Mr. Kasparov's own organization
dumped him in favor of a better man; when rulers become
so self-obsessed that they forget they are not gods, it's
time for a change. As far as that fiasco went, Mr.
Kasparov's own effort failed even more miserably than the
USCF has, for it is still breathing (okay, wheezing).

-- help bot

Date: 26 Oct 2007 16:03:34
From: samsloan
Subject: Re: Fischer, Fine, Kasparov on the USCF

[quote="gregory"]Brian,

It has been proven that your allegation is false; that is, people can
easily do this and your evidence means nothing. I am not suprised that
you are upset after the amount of grand-standing that was done.

However, I am suprised that[b] it does not concern you at all[/b] that
peoples reputations can be ruined, badly I might add, by a simple
hack.

I will no longer answer your, or Brian's L's questions.[/quote]

Gregory Alexander does not seem to be at all concerned that my
reputation was ruined by 2463 Fake Sam Sloan postings, plus the
reputations of several other individuals were harmed as well.

He is only concerned about the reputations of himself, Polgar and
Truong.

Sam Sloan

Date: 26 Oct 2007 15:49:39
From: samsloan
Subject: Re: Fischer, Fine, Kasparov on the USCF

By the way, it seems to me that the new Polgar/Truong/Gregory
Alexander website and forum is on the verge of dying out.

http://www.chessdiscussion.com/

After getting off to a good start with hundreds of registered users
and postings in the first few days, there have been very few postings
recently except for postings by Susan herself.

By the way, what happened to Paul Truong? No word has been heard from
him recently, unless all of the posts by "Susan" are actually by
Truong.

Of course, one reason why that forum may be dying out is that posters
quickly discover that any posting asking embarrassing questions or
that does not heap the highest praise on Polgar, Truong and Alexander
will be deleted.

Sam Sloan

Date: 26 Oct 2007 23:21:54
From: Chess One
Subject: Re: Fischer, Fine, Kasparov on the USCF

"samsloan" <[email protected] > wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> By the way, it seems to me that the new Polgar/Truong/Gregory
> Alexander website and forum is on the verge of dying out.
>
> http://www.chessdiscussion.com/
>
> After getting off to a good start with hundreds of registered users
> and postings in the first few days, there have been very few postings
> recently except for postings by Susan herself.
>
> By the way, what happened to Paul Truong? No word has been heard from
> him recently, unless all of the posts by "Susan" are actually by
> Truong.

Actually they are made by me and Lex, since we plan to take over the world.
We did away with the other people, according to plan. Ok with you? [Is it
though? How come you write about it? - Nothing you write ever seems to have
a reason that doesn't come off as other than vel Comic Hero talk of
villains and such - thousands of villainousnouses!]

We have been paid nineteen million thousand dollars to do so, and heck, its
better than daytime tv; though Maud is getting sick of Harry, and leaning
towards Edgard, who she doesn't know is gay, neither do the audience, since
he really is, but is playing a straight role as a handsome vet who has seen
troubles, and now is chastened, but straight and true thereby - compared
with him, other people seem so cheap - yet, she is loyal, and is afraid for
Harry, who is like to do dramatic things and accuse everyone - even his own
family, of draggin him up wrong - and who once bought 30 megabucks tickets
then immediately ripped them all to pieces and threw them into the bin!
Anyway...

We also get the use of the secret Polgar Center Lear Jet, which can get us
down to Polgar Island quick as a flash for the weekends, so we can visit
Gata's Camel which he won in Kalmykia, thanks to the Great Leader who
thoughtfully gave it to him.

Dang! Gotta go... gotta pack my toothbrush... have a great weekend!@

BTW - I also had arthroscopic surgery, and I'll tell you about it after i
get back. Hear its goining to rain in NY all tomorrow.But we need rain, no?

Cordially, Le Penguin

> Of course, one reason why that forum may be dying out is that posters
> quickly discover that any posting asking embarrassing questions or
> that does not heap the highest praise on Polgar, Truong and Alexander
> will be deleted.
> Sam Sloan
>

Date: 26 Oct 2007 19:53:07
From: Kenneth Sloan
Subject: Re: Fischer, Fine, Kasparov on the USCF

Chess One wrote:
>
> Dang! Gotta go... gotta pack my toothbrush...

Toothbrush? I thought you were British?

--
Kenneth Sloan [email protected]
Computer and Information Sciences +1-205-932-2213
University of Alabama at Birmingham FAX +1-205-934-5473
Birmingham, AL 35294-1170 http://KennethRSloan.com/

Date: 26 Oct 2007 14:01:53
From: Taylor Kingston
Subject: Re: Fischer, Fine, Kasparov on the USCF

On Oct 26, 2:46 pm, Offramp <[email protected] > wrote:
> On Oct 26, 1:52 pm, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > REUBEN FINE: "The USCF is a meaningless paper organization, generally
> > antagonistic to the needs of its masters."
>
> When were these said? Last month? Ten years ago??

This appears to be a slight misquotation of something Fine wrote in
1976, in the second edition of "The World's Great Chess Games," page
224. Fine wrote "The USCF *_was_* [not is] a meaningless paper
organization," referring to the USCF's failure to resist Soviet
political machinations in deciding how a successor to world champion
Alekhine was to be determined. The full paragraph:

"Unfortunately for the Western masters the Soviet political
organization was stronger than that of the West. The U.S. Chess
Federation was a meaningless paper organization, generally
antagonistic to the needs of its masters. The Dutch Chess Federation
did not choose to act. The FIDE was impotent.
"The result was a rescheduling of the tournament for the following
year ..."

So in that sentence Fine was referring specifically to the USCF in
1947. How long he continued to hold this opinion, or if he ever
changed his mind, I am not sure.

Date: 28 Oct 2007 23:12:40
From: David Richerby
Subject: Re: Fischer, Fine, Kasparov on the USCF

Taylor Kingston <[email protected] > wrote:
> This appears to be a slight misquotation of something Fine wrote in
> 1976, in the second edition of "The World's Great Chess Games," page
> 224. Fine wrote "The USCF *_was_* [not is] a meaningless paper
> organization," [...]
>
> So in that sentence Fine was referring specifically to the USCF in
> 1947. How long he continued to hold this opinion, or if he ever
> changed his mind, I am not sure.

Well, presumably, if Fine had still believed in 1976 that the USCF was
a meaningless paper organization and so on, he'd have used the present
tense or a construction like `The USCF was and still is...' or `The
USCF, then as it is now, was...'

Dave.

--
David Richerby Transparent Impossible Whisky (TM):
www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~davidr/ it's like a single-malt whisky but
it can't exist and you can see right
through it!

Date: 26 Oct 2007 20:44:50
From: SBD
Subject: Re: Fischer, Fine, Kasparov on the USCF

On Oct 26, 1:47 pm, samsloan <[email protected] > wrote:
> On Oct 26, 2:05 pm, SBD <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > On Oct 26, 7:52 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > CHESS LIES
>
> > > BOBBY FISCHER: "I have nothing to do with them...I would appreciate it
> > > if all my fans canceled their subscriptions to their horrible magazine
> > > Chess Life. I call it Chess Lies and withdrew from the membership of
> > > this organization."
>
> > Weren't you editor of Chess Life when he made that statement?
>
> No, he was not. That statement was made in Yugoslavia during the 1992
> match with Boris Spassky. Parr was the editor of Chess Life in around
> 1985.
>
> Sam Sloan

Oh, so it was after Parr ruined it. Makes sense.

Date: 26 Oct 2007 20:05:42
From: Chess One
Subject: Re: Fischer, Fine, Kasparov on the USCF

<[email protected] > wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> CHESS LIES
>
>
> BOBBY FISCHER: "I have nothing to do with them...I would appreciate it
> if all my fans canceled their subscriptions to their horrible magazine
> Chess Life. I call it Chess Lies and withdrew from the membership of
> this organization."
>
> REUBEN FINE: "The USCF is a meaningless paper organization, generally
> antagonistic to the needs of its masters."
>
>
> GARRY KASPAROV: "The small minded leaders of the USCF try to keep it
> an amateur game and must be purged like entrenched Communist
> bureaucrats."

"dead" Garry Kasparov

"frozen" Anatoly Karpov

but larry, here we have the denouement: i know everthing, have done so for a
long time. and if it is the wish of the federation to contest current issues
with lawyers, we should all look around for 3 nuns to administer the ratings
system. what else is there to regret?

Phil Innes

Date: 26 Oct 2007 11:47:30
From: samsloan
Subject: Re: Fischer, Fine, Kasparov on the USCF

On Oct 26, 2:05 pm, SBD <[email protected] > wrote:
> On Oct 26, 7:52 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > CHESS LIES
>
> > BOBBY FISCHER: "I have nothing to do with them...I would appreciate it
> > if all my fans canceled their subscriptions to their horrible magazine
> > Chess Life. I call it Chess Lies and withdrew from the membership of
> > this organization."
>
> Weren't you editor of Chess Life when he made that statement?

No, he was not. That statement was made in Yugoslavia during the 1992
match with Boris Spassky. Parr was the editor of Chess Life in around
1985.

Sam Sloan

Date: 26 Oct 2007 18:46:48
From: Offramp
Subject: Re: Fischer, Fine, Kasparov on the USCF

On Oct 26, 1:52 pm, "[email protected]" <[email protected] > wrote:
> CHESS LIES
>
> BOBBY FISCHER: "I have nothing to do with them...I would appreciate it
> if all my fans canceled their subscriptions to their horrible magazine
> Chess Life. I call it Chess Lies and withdrew from the membership of
> this organization."
>
> REUBEN FINE: "The USCF is a meaningless paper organization, generally
> antagonistic to the needs of its masters."
>
> GARRY KASPAROV: "The small minded leaders of the USCF try to keep it
> an amateur game and must be purged like entrenched Communist
> bureaucrats."

When were these said? Last month? Ten years ago??

Date: 26 Oct 2007 13:08:17
From: Mike Murray
Subject: Re: Fischer, Fine, Kasparov on the USCF

On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 18:46:48 -0000, Offramp <[email protected] >
wrote:

>On Oct 26, 1:52 pm, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> CHESS LIES

>> BOBBY FISCHER: "I have nothing to do with them...I would appreciate it
>> if all my fans canceled their subscriptions to their horrible magazine
>> Chess Life. I call it Chess Lies and withdrew from the membership of
>> this organization."

>> REUBEN FINE: "The USCF is a meaningless paper organization, generally
>> antagonistic to the needs of its masters."

>> GARRY KASPAROV: "The small minded leaders of the USCF try to keep it
>> an amateur game and must be purged like entrenched Communist
>> bureaucrats."

>When were these said? Last month? Ten years ago??

Rumor has it that Fine was consulted via the Ouija board a couple days
ago.

Date: 26 Oct 2007 20:29:27
From: Chess One
Subject: Re: Fischer, Fine, Kasparov on the USCF

"Mike Murray" <[email protected] > wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 18:46:48 -0000, Offramp <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>On Oct 26, 1:52 pm, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> CHESS LIES
>
>>> BOBBY FISCHER: "I have nothing to do with them...I would appreciate it
>>> if all my fans canceled their subscriptions to their horrible magazine
>>> Chess Life. I call it Chess Lies and withdrew from the membership of
>>> this organization."
>
>>> REUBEN FINE: "The USCF is a meaningless paper organization, generally
>>> antagonistic to the needs of its masters."
>
>>> GARRY KASPAROV: "The small minded leaders of the USCF try to keep it
>>> an amateur game and must be purged like entrenched Communist
>>> bureaucrats."
>
>>When were these said? Last month? Ten years ago??

What is it to you, Sir?

> Rumor has it that Fine was consulted via the Ouija board a couple days
> ago.

Yes. I understand that is your level of inquiry.

What will you do with yourself after all this is resolved by grown-ups?

Phil Innes

Date: 26 Oct 2007 15:43:15
From: Mike Murray
Subject: Re: Fischer, Fine, Kasparov on the USCF

On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 20:29:27 GMT, "Chess One" <[email protected] >
wrote:

>What will you do with yourself after all this is resolved by grown-ups?

Probably make do with watching you make a fool of yourself over and
over. Same old, same old. Been there, done that. But it beats
working.

When do you plan to take a refresher in English comp and training in
use of spelling and syntax checkers?

Date: 26 Oct 2007 23:06:26
From: Chess One
Subject: Re: Fischer, Fine, Kasparov on the USCF

"Mike Murray" <[email protected] > wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 20:29:27 GMT, "Chess One" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>
>>What will you do with yourself after all this is resolved by grown-ups?
>
> Probably make do with watching you make a fool of yourself over and
> over. Same old, same old. Been there, done that. But it beats
> working.

sure, man. how cool

> When do you plan to take a refresher in English comp and training in
> use of spelling and syntax checkers?

what is it to you? you nixed the previous inquiry, as you do all such
questions

how quickly you abandon your subject matter and all your certainties! -
suspecting nothing at all - you would not make a good journalist, nor a
jurer, come to that

but this is but pain or enthusiasm, until you know yourself why you write
anything at all, you cannot explain it to me

pi

Date: 26 Oct 2007 16:30:08
From: Mike Murray
Subject: Re: Fischer, Fine, Kasparov on the USCF

On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 23:06:26 GMT, "Chess One" <[email protected] >
wrote:

>how quickly you abandon your subject matter and all your certainties! -
>suspecting nothing at all

It's only when you're unsure of yourself that you repeat the same
"subject matter" over and over, Phil. Well, I suppose sometimes you
forget what you said, so you say it again or argue with it, but that's
a personal quirk on your part.

>- you would not make a good journalist, nor a
>jurer, come to that

Ya mean, just cause I'd sit there making little nooses out of pieces
of string, and drawing my index finger across my throat periodically?
They'd know I was only funnin' a little, wouldn't they?

>but this is but pain or enthusiasm, until you know yourself why you write
>anything at all, you cannot explain it to me

But I've never tried to explain to you why I write. In fact, I'm
unable to explain to myself why I write to you. Given your inability
to understand less complicated issues, why waste the bandwidth? I
mean, there's only a few billion terabytes to go around.

Date: 31 Oct 2007 20:05:26
From: Chess One
Subject: Re: Fischer, Fine, Kasparov on the USCF

"Mike Murray" <[email protected] > wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 23:06:26 GMT, "Chess One" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>
>>how quickly you abandon your subject matter and all your certainties! -
>>suspecting nothing at all
>
> It's only when you're unsure of yourself that you repeat the same
> "subject matter" over and over, Phil.

tell me, swami. but, tell me something... ?

> Well, I suppose sometimes you
> forget what you said, so you say it again or argue with it, but that's
> a personal quirk on your part.

that's telling? what is the subject?

>>- you would not make a good journalist, nor a
>>jurer, come to that
>
> Ya mean, just cause I'd sit there making little nooses out of pieces
> of string, and drawing my index finger across my throat periodically?

no - that's what you mean. if you want to write to others interest its not
good to use strawmen analogies, since even children know you are faking
something

> They'd know I was only funnin' a little, wouldn't they?

yes - they'd think you were nutz

>>but this is but pain or enthusiasm, until you know yourself why you write
>>anything at all, you cannot explain it to me
>
> But I've never tried to explain to you why I write. In fact, I'm
> unable to explain to myself why I write to you.

quite! and on being asked, you still can't say. and if you don't know what
you are doing, maybe you should not so easily dismiss /motive/, and i'm
talking yours, since those who do know what they are doing can play you like
the old banjo ;)

> Given your inability
> to understand less complicated issues, why waste the bandwidth?

what a weak trope - but answer yourself, since you waste it as equally

> I
> mean, there's only a few billion terabytes to go around.

and that was some contribution to content? no! - as a journalist you would
have to do more - and there are 3 rules;-

1) never encourage more burocracy - instead ask why previous measures are
abandoned

2) don't try to change anyone's opinion, instead, if you can get anyone to
open their mind to a subject for as much as 10 minutes, you will be a genius
at the journalistic business [even though they land back where they
started]. be personally disinterested in the result

3) it's not about you, its about them; therefore assume nothing in raising
content issues, but connect with several possible orientations, the main one
being not about conclusions, but about how to look at something in the first
place

my writing gets to twice as many people as read chess life per month, more
than that, and its not luck nor money that propels it. don't worry about
this - its nothing to do with you

phil innes

Date: 26 Oct 2007 18:05:09
From: SBD
Subject: Re: Fischer, Fine, Kasparov on the USCF

Date: 26 Oct 2007 10:42:27
From:
Subject: Re: Fischer, Fine, Kasparov on the USCF

On Oct 26, 12:08 pm, Mike Murray <[email protected] > wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 09:13:44 -0700, Mike Murray
>
>
>
>
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 05:52:08 -0700, "[email protected]"
> ><[email protected]> wrote:
> >> CHESS LIES
> >>BOBBY FISCHER: "I have nothing to do with them...I would appreciate it
> >>if all my fans canceled their subscriptions to their horrible magazine
> >>Chess Life. I call it Chess Lies and withdrew from the membership of
> >>this organization."
> >>REUBEN FINE: "The USCF is a meaningless paper organization, generally
> >>antagonistic to the needs of its masters."
> >>GARRY KASPAROV: "The small minded leaders of the USCF try to keep it
> >>an amateur game and must be purged like entrenched Communist
> >>bureaucrats."
> >Didn't take this one long to get copied onto the Polgar blog (sans
> >attribution and with the order of the quotes shuffled).
> >http://chessdiscussion.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=452
> > I guess it shows they're still *reading* usenet, even if not posting.
>
> Shortly after I posted this, Susan Polgar edited her post to add:
>
> 'I do not know if these quotes are completely accurate or not but it
> was sent to me this morning. I have never heard them before. Perhaps
> someone can verify the authenticity of these quotes. Unfortunately, if
> true, it is quite sad."
>
> I guess she didn't want people to get the impression they are actually
> *reading* this forum.
>
> This is getting pretty funny.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Humor is the only way to deal with this. Without a sense of humor,
anyone would
run away from the Chess Federation. Texas Tech will have to drop the
entire
chess program over this. I grew up in Austin, and I love to lobby
state legislatures.
All I have to do is start calling names on the radio, and the entire
chess program
collapses.

Do you think the Governor of Texas wants anti chess radio ads? After
raido ads are
run against Polgar and her Chess institute, her contract can't be
renewed. Texas
Tech is dependant on the Texas Legislature, for money. The powers that
be in Texas
will view ALL chessplayers as people that can't be trusted.

No matter what "side" of this civil war you are on, you need to laugh.
The entire cast of
characters borders on a truly insanse group of people.

cus Roberts

Date: 26 Oct 2007 16:50:58
From: samsloan
Subject: Re: Fischer, Fine, Kasparov on the USCF

On Oct 26, 12:13 pm, Mike Murray <[email protected] > wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 05:52:08 -0700, "[email protected]"
>
>
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > CHESS LIES
>
> >BOBBY FISCHER: "I have nothing to do with them...I would appreciate it
> >if all my fans canceled their subscriptions to their horrible magazine
> >Chess Life. I call it Chess Lies and withdrew from the membership of
> >this organization."
>
> >REUBEN FINE: "The USCF is a meaningless paper organization, generally
> >antagonistic to the needs of its masters."
>
> >GARRY KASPAROV: "The small minded leaders of the USCF try to keep it
> >an amateur game and must be purged like entrenched Communist
> >bureaucrats."
>
> Didn't take this one long to get copied onto the Polgar blog (sans
> attribution and with the order of the quotes shuffled).
>
> http://chessdiscussion.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=452
>
> I guess it shows they're still *reading* usenet, even if not posting.

I just went over there to look and saw some funny things.

Many of the posters there apparently do not realize that that forum is
heavily moderated, and nothing negative about Polgar or Truong is
allowed to be posted there.

I also found the following statement by Gregory Alexander to be funny:

"If I was not so ingrained in this community, I would immediately quit
the USCF after this. I am sure that others feel this way to and will
walk away. Dirty politics..."

You would never know from this that Gregory Alexander just joined the
USCF for the first time a few months ago and played his first USCF
rated game of chess in August. Thus, he is not "ingrained in this
community". He is a newcomer here.

Expecting that forum to provide you with the real information about
Polgar is like expecting the Fox TV Network to tell you the truth
about George W. Bush.

Sam Sloan

Date: 26 Oct 2007 09:13:44
From: Mike Murray
Subject: Re: Fischer, Fine, Kasparov on the USCF

On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 05:52:08 -0700, "[email protected]"
<[email protected] > wrote:

>
> CHESS LIES
>
>
>BOBBY FISCHER: "I have nothing to do with them...I would appreciate it
>if all my fans canceled their subscriptions to their horrible magazine
>Chess Life. I call it Chess Lies and withdrew from the membership of
>this organization."
>
>REUBEN FINE: "The USCF is a meaningless paper organization, generally
>antagonistic to the needs of its masters."
>
>
>GARRY KASPAROV: "The small minded leaders of the USCF try to keep it
>an amateur game and must be purged like entrenched Communist
>bureaucrats."

Didn't take this one long to get copied onto the Polgar blog (sans
attribution and with the order of the quotes shuffled).

http://chessdiscussion.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=452

I guess it shows they're still *reading* usenet, even if not posting.

Date: 26 Oct 2007 10:08:24
From: Mike Murray
Subject: Re: Fischer, Fine, Kasparov on the USCF

On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 09:13:44 -0700, Mike Murray
<[email protected] > wrote:

>On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 05:52:08 -0700, "[email protected]"
><[email protected]> wrote:

>> CHESS LIES

>>BOBBY FISCHER: "I have nothing to do with them...I would appreciate it
>>if all my fans canceled their subscriptions to their horrible magazine
>>Chess Life. I call it Chess Lies and withdrew from the membership of
>>this organization."

>>REUBEN FINE: "The USCF is a meaningless paper organization, generally
>>antagonistic to the needs of its masters."

>>GARRY KASPAROV: "The small minded leaders of the USCF try to keep it
>>an amateur game and must be purged like entrenched Communist
>>bureaucrats."

>Didn't take this one long to get copied onto the Polgar blog (sans
>attribution and with the order of the quotes shuffled).

>http://chessdiscussion.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=452

> I guess it shows they're still *reading* usenet, even if not posting.

Shortly after I posted this, Susan Polgar edited her post to add:

'I do not know if these quotes are completely accurate or not but it
was sent to me this morning. I have never heard them before. Perhaps
someone can verify the authenticity of these quotes. Unfortunately, if
true, it is quite sad."

I guess she didn't want people to get the impression they are actually
*reading* this forum.

This is getting pretty funny.