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Date: 04 Aug 2008 10:40:26
From: RookHouse
Subject: Elmira Telegraph tournament of 1884 ??
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An excerpt (by G.H.D. Gossip) from the August 1894 edition of Frank
Leslie's Popular Monthly reads:
"Jackson W. Showalter, the present American champion, first came into
prominence by winning first prize in a correspondence tournament of
the Elmira Telegram, playing forty games and winning them all."
I have 3 Showalter games (versus Barwick, McFarlane, Crystal) from
1884 that indicate they were of the Elmira Telegraph tournament. Is
this the correct year of the tournment and is there ANY more
information on it out there (more games, number of games, crosstable,
etc.) ??
Thank You,
Rook House
www.rookhouse.com/blog
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Date: 06 Aug 2008 08:29:22
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Subject: Re: Elmira Telegraph tournament of 1884 ??
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On Aug 6, 7:42=A0am, "Chess One" <[email protected] > wrote:
> "RookHouse" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> I apologize in advance for my ignorance, but what is Sunnucks?
>
> **Pardon me, I should have written it in full:- Its an older publication,
> useful for its extensive cross tables:
I would agree with Phil that this is a very useful book; the ten
bucks I spent for my copy a few years ago has been a very good
investment. But I would not call its crosstable content "extensive."
Its crosstables are mainly limited to the Hastings Congresses of 1920
to 1969, FIDE Interzonals and Candidates Tournaments 1948-1967,
Women's World Championships 1927-1950, and the two Piatigorsky Cups
(1963 and 1966).
Under "Tournaments, International 1851-1949" it gives the location,
year, and winner(s) for most major events, and under "Tournaments,
International -- Results 1950-1968" it provides the same data plus a
full list of players, their scores and final standings for each event.
However, no crosstables there.
> The Encyclopaedia of Chess, by Anne Sunnucks. copyright 1970. Publ: St.
> Martin's Press, NY.
>
> Anne was the British Woman Champion 1957, 1958 and 1965. and an
> international woman master since 1954. She was combined services champion
> 1968. Olympiad 1966. Britain v USSR match 1954, and qualified for womans =
W
> Ch series, and W CH corres series.
>
> Her contributors to the Ency. were
>
> Prof M. Euwe
> Dr. J. Penrose
> AJ Roycroft
> BP Barnes
> J Woodcock
> B. Cafferty
> Elaine Pritchard =A0[!!]
> D. Hooper
> AJ Hodgkinson
> DJ Morgan
>
> she also acknowledges some 100 other contributors with special thanks to =
Mr.
> H. J. J. Slavekoorde of the Royal Dutch Chess Federation.
>
> what a list! I note she even has a contributor from Andorra!
>
> Her typescript seems to have been checked by the combined services too.
>
> Among usual sorts of entries there are also very odd ones; in the
> illustrations there is one: Ballet Chess. Checkmate as performed by the
> Royal Ballet on BBC television. The picture shows the troupe in Egyptian
> outfits ...
>
> About 585 pages, and good info for about 1965 and before.
>
> Cordially, Phil Innes
>
> --Kevin
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Date: 06 Aug 2008 07:20:26
From: RookHouse
Subject: Re: Elmira Telegraph tournament of 1884 ??
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On Aug 6, 7:42=A0am, "Chess One" <[email protected] > wrote:
>
> **Pardon me, I should have written it in full:- Its an older publication,
> useful for its extensive cross tables:
>
> The Encyclopaedia of Chess, by Anne Sunnucks. copyright 1970. Publ: St.
> Martin's Press, NY.
>
> Anne was the British Woman Champion 1957, 1958 and 1965. and an
> international woman master since 1954. She was combined services champion
> 1968. Olympiad 1966. Britain v USSR match 1954, and qualified for womans =
W
> Ch series, and W CH corres series.
>
> Her contributors to the Ency. were
>
> Prof M. Euwe
> Dr. J. Penrose
> AJ Roycroft
> BP Barnes
> J Woodcock
> B. Cafferty
> Elaine Pritchard =A0[!!]
> D. Hooper
> AJ Hodgkinson
> DJ Morgan
>
> she also acknowledges some 100 other contributors with special thanks to =
Mr.
> H. J. J. Slavekoorde of the Royal Dutch Chess Federation.
>
> what a list! I note she even has a contributor from Andorra!
>
> Her typescript seems to have been checked by the combined services too.
>
> Among usual sorts of entries there are also very odd ones; in the
> illustrations there is one: Ballet Chess. Checkmate as performed by the
> Royal Ballet on BBC television. The picture shows the troupe in Egyptian
> outfits ...
>
> About 585 pages, and good info for about 1965 and before.
>
> Cordially, Phil Innes
>
Thanks for the explanation, I'm completely sold. I just ordered a
used copy off Alibris.
I have gathered quite the library of chess reference books over the
last two years, so feel free to ask for my possible assistance in any
research endeavors that you come across.
--Kevin
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Date: 05 Aug 2008 14:55:33
From: RookHouse
Subject: Re: Elmira Telegraph tournament of 1884 ??
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On Aug 5, 1:27=A0pm, "Chess One" <[email protected] > wrote:
>
> I couldn't find anything for you in Sunnucks, so didn't write my nothing.
> She began her entry of =A0Showalter with his participation in the
> international distance-play event 2 years later. She concluded it with hi=
s
> match-record against significant individual opponents, all later, from
> memory now, from '91. Phil Innes
>
I apologize in advance for my ignorance, but what is Sunnucks?
Thanks for responding, Phil.
--Kevin
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Date: 06 Aug 2008 07:42:47
From: Chess One
Subject: Re: Elmira Telegraph tournament of 1884 ??
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"RookHouse" <[email protected] > wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
On Aug 5, 1:27 pm, "Chess One" <[email protected] > wrote:
>
> I couldn't find anything for you in Sunnucks, so didn't write my nothing.
> She began her entry of Showalter with his participation in the
> international distance-play event 2 years later. She concluded it with his
> match-record against significant individual opponents, all later, from
> memory now, from '91. Phil Innes
>
I apologize in advance for my ignorance, but what is Sunnucks?
Thanks for responding, Phil.
**Pardon me, I should have written it in full:- Its an older publication,
useful for its extensive cross tables:
The Encyclopaedia of Chess, by Anne Sunnucks. copyright 1970. Publ: St.
Martin's Press, NY.
Anne was the British Woman Champion 1957, 1958 and 1965. and an
international woman master since 1954. She was combined services champion
1968. Olympiad 1966. Britain v USSR match 1954, and qualified for womans W
Ch series, and W CH corres series.
Her contributors to the Ency. were
Prof M. Euwe
Dr. J. Penrose
AJ Roycroft
BP Barnes
J Woodcock
B. Cafferty
Elaine Pritchard [!!]
D. Hooper
AJ Hodgkinson
DJ Morgan
she also acknowledges some 100 other contributors with special thanks to Mr.
H. J. J. Slavekoorde of the Royal Dutch Chess Federation.
what a list! I note she even has a contributor from Andorra!
Her typescript seems to have been checked by the combined services too.
Among usual sorts of entries there are also very odd ones; in the
illustrations there is one: Ballet Chess. Checkmate as performed by the
Royal Ballet on BBC television. The picture shows the troupe in Egyptian
outfits ...
About 585 pages, and good info for about 1965 and before.
Cordially, Phil Innes
--Kevin
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Date: 05 Aug 2008 08:58:19
From: RookHouse
Subject: Re: Elmira Telegraph tournament of 1884 ??
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On Aug 4, 6:56 pm, "[email protected]"
<[email protected] > wrote:
> Oops, my mistake. I searched my notes for Elmira, and when I found the
> Elmira and Cincinnati tournaments listed together, I assumed it was
> Showalter since those are the tournaments mentioned in Showalter's
> obit. Sorry!
No problem. I thought you were messing with me or something.
I tried to search the NYT archives for something on the Elmira
tournament, but found nothing. I have also posed some Showalter
questions directly to Edward Winter.
We'll see what he comes up with. Thanks for helping.
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Date: 05 Aug 2008 13:27:14
From: Chess One
Subject: Re: Elmira Telegraph tournament of 1884 ??
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"RookHouse" <[email protected] > wrote in message
news:48caf31f-877f-4137-a9be-9222cf4eb5e5@x35g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 4, 6:56 pm, "[email protected]"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Oops, my mistake. I searched my notes for Elmira, and when I found the
>> Elmira and Cincinnati tournaments listed together, I assumed it was
>> Showalter since those are the tournaments mentioned in Showalter's
>> obit. Sorry!
>
> No problem. I thought you were messing with me or something.
>
> I tried to search the NYT archives for something on the Elmira
> tournament, but found nothing. I have also posed some Showalter
> questions directly to Edward Winter.
>
> We'll see what he comes up with. Thanks for helping.
I couldn't find anything for you in Sunnucks, so didn't write my nothing.
She began her entry of Showalter with his participation in the
international distance-play event 2 years later. She concluded it with his
match-record against significant individual opponents, all later, from
memory now, from '91. Phil Innes
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Date: 04 Aug 2008 16:14:05
From: RookHouse
Subject: Re: Elmira Telegraph tournament of 1884 ??
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On Aug 4, 6:56=A0pm, "[email protected]"
<[email protected] > wrote:
>
> Oops, my mistake. I searched my notes for Elmira, and when I found the
> Elmira and Cincinnati tournaments listed together, I assumed it was
> Showalter since those are the tournaments mentioned in Showalter's
> obit. Sorry!
>
No problem. I thought you were messing with me or something.
I tried to search the NYT archives for something on the Elmira
tournament, but found nothing. I also tried to solicit information
from the "great and powerful Oz" ..... or Edward Winter. He just
gruffed at me and accused me having a picture of Lipschutz on my blog
that he supposedly "owns". Big surprise.
Oh well, I'll keep searching. Thanks for helping.
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Date: 04 Aug 2008 15:56:55
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Elmira Telegraph tournament of 1884 ??
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On Aug 4, 5:46=A0pm, RookHouse <[email protected] > wrote:
> On Aug 4, 5:24=A0pm, "[email protected]"<jeremy.p.spin...@v=
anderbilt.edu > wrote:
>
> > Check out the Brooklyn Eagle of January, 30, 1898; this is an article
> > discussing each player from the cable match. It is available for free
> > on the net.
>
> I have that article in front of me. =A0It refers to Frank B. Walker (not
> Showalter) as "making a credible score in the Cincinnati Commercial
> Correspondance tourney, he was obliged to retire, but later entered
> the one conducted under the auspices of the Elmira Telegram and
> secured a place in the final, although those were never played off."
>
> Was this some kind of test or something?
Oops, my mistake. I searched my notes for Elmira, and when I found the
Elmira and Cincinnati tournaments listed together, I assumed it was
Showalter since those are the tournaments mentioned in Showalter's
obit. Sorry!
Jerry Spinrad
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Date: 04 Aug 2008 15:46:37
From: RookHouse
Subject: Re: Elmira Telegraph tournament of 1884 ??
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On Aug 4, 5:24=A0pm, "[email protected]"
<[email protected] > wrote:
>
> Check out the Brooklyn Eagle of January, 30, 1898; this is an article
> discussing each player from the cable match. It is available for free
> on the net.
>
I have that article in front of me. It refers to Frank B. Walker (not
Showalter) as "making a credible score in the Cincinnati Commercial
Correspondance tourney, he was obliged to retire, but later entered
the one conducted under the auspices of the Elmira Telegram and
secured a place in the final, although those were never played off."
Was this some kind of test or something?
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Date: 04 Aug 2008 15:35:14
From: RookHouse
Subject: Re: Elmira Telegraph tournament of 1884 ??
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On Aug 4, 5:24=A0pm, "[email protected]"
<[email protected] > wrote:
>
> Check out the Brooklyn Eagle of January, 30, 1898; this is an article
> discussing each player from the cable match. It is available for free
> on the net.
>
I have the article in front of me and there is no mention of the
Cincinnati tournament or the Elmira tournament.
I am looking at the article on page 27 (of 32) in the January 30, 1898
edition of The Brooklyn Daily Eagle.
The article maily talks about Walter Penn Shipley, Franklin K. Young,
and Sidney P. Johnson. It barely mentions Showalter. Is there a
second article in this edition that I am overlooking?
-- Thanks
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Date: 04 Aug 2008 14:24:26
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Elmira Telegraph tournament of 1884 ??
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On Aug 4, 3:40=A0pm, RookHouse <[email protected] > wrote:
> On Aug 4, 2:48=A0pm, "[email protected]"<jeremy.p.spin...@v=
anderbilt.edu > wrote:
>
> > By some accounts, Showalter also had a good score in the Cincinnati
> > Commercial correspondence tournament before the Elmira tournament, but
> > had to withdraw.
>
> I am having trouble finding sources on this statement, can you
> elaborate a little further?
Check out the Brooklyn Eagle of January, 30, 1898; this is an article
discussing each player from the cable match. It is available for free
on the net.
Jerry Spinrad
>
> Thanks
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Date: 04 Aug 2008 13:40:00
From: RookHouse
Subject: Re: Elmira Telegraph tournament of 1884 ??
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On Aug 4, 2:48=A0pm, "[email protected]"
<[email protected] > wrote:
>
> By some accounts, Showalter also had a good score in the Cincinnati
> Commercial correspondence tournament before the Elmira tournament, but
> had to withdraw.
>
I am having trouble finding sources on this statement, can you
elaborate a little further?
Thanks
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Date: 04 Aug 2008 11:48:22
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Elmira Telegraph tournament of 1884 ??
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Still working on what to send you. The Brooklyn Eagle of Jabuary 30,
1898 gives a slightly different account; it said that Showalter
secured a spot in the finals of the Elmira Telegram correspondence
tournament, but that the finals were never played off.
By some accounts, Showalter also had a good score in the Cincinnati
Commercial correspondence tournament before the Elmira tournament, but
had to withdraw. His NY Times obit (Feb 7, 1935) says that Showalter
finished 1st in both the Cincinnati and Elmira tournaments. I
recommend next trying to track how the Elmira tournament closed; did
the column fold, and if so was the tournament played to completion
elsewhere, or did Showalter win clearly as the accounts say?
Jerry Spinrad
On Aug 4, 12:40=A0pm, RookHouse <[email protected] > wrote:
> An excerpt (by G.H.D. Gossip) from the August 1894 edition of Frank
> Leslie's Popular Monthly reads:
>
> "Jackson W. Showalter, the present American champion, first came into
> prominence by winning first prize in a correspondence tournament of
> the Elmira Telegram, playing forty games and winning them all."
>
> I have 3 Showalter games (versus Barwick, McFarlane, Crystal) from
> 1884 that indicate they were of the Elmira Telegraph tournament. =A0Is
> this the correct year of the tournment and is there ANY more
> information on it out there (more games, number of games, crosstable,
> etc.) ??
>
> Thank You,
> Rook Housewww.rookhouse.com/blog
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