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Date: 22 Jul 2008 13:43:35
From: [email protected]
Subject: Earliest Game score known from the New World
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Just curious as to what is known. There was plenty of chess before the
automaton came to the US, but I do not know of game scores. I have an
1827 game in which a Philadelphia lady beats the automaton (I am
guessing that this is what Wikipedia means when referring to the 1st
modern female player in 1830; there are certainly many female players
known but they may mean this is the first game score of a female
player), but I imagine this can be beaten.
Jerry Spinrad
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Date: 22 Jul 2008 18:43:21
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Earliest Game score known from the New World
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On Jul 22, 6:07=A0pm, Mike Murray <[email protected] > wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 13:43:35 -0700 (PDT),
> "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >Just curious as to what is known. There was plenty of chess before the
> >automaton came to the US, but I do not know of game scores. I have an
> >1827 game in which a Philadelphia lady beats the automaton (I am
> >guessing that this is what Wikipedia means when referring to the 1st
> >modern female player in 1830; there are certainly many female players
> >known but they may mean this is the first game score of a female
> >player), but I imagine this can be beaten.
>
> >Jerry Spinrad
>
> Any Ben Franklin vs. Ms/Mrs/Miss "x" ?
It seems unlikely to me that Ben Franklin would have recorded games;
1st, we would all know them, and 2d, it was quite rare to record moves
in those days (even many masters of later periods never recorded their
games). I would think more likely sources would involve strong players
such as BL Oliver, or players who frequented some of the early chess
clubs in the New World we know about. The problem of finding them is
that there were no chess journals to record them in until many years
later, so they have to be either quoted from a later date, published
in individual stories not part of a chess column, or found in private
records. Still, I would bet that occasionaly stray games from around
1800 can be found somewhere; I just am curious what would be
considered a valuable find.
Jerry Spinrad
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Date: 22 Jul 2008 16:07:01
From: Mike Murray
Subject: Re: Earliest Game score known from the New World
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On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 13:43:35 -0700 (PDT),
"[email protected]" <[email protected] >
wrote:
>Just curious as to what is known. There was plenty of chess before the
>automaton came to the US, but I do not know of game scores. I have an
>1827 game in which a Philadelphia lady beats the automaton (I am
>guessing that this is what Wikipedia means when referring to the 1st
>modern female player in 1830; there are certainly many female players
>known but they may mean this is the first game score of a female
>player), but I imagine this can be beaten.
>
>Jerry Spinrad
Any Ben Franklin vs. Ms/Mrs/Miss "x" ?
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