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Date: 20 Aug 2008 08:13:26
From: [email protected]
Subject: Canadian Chess Federation folding?
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In a message dated 8/20/2008 8:08:04 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
Subj: [fide-chess] Chess Fed of Canada quits publishing its magazine
Date:8/20/2008 8:08:04 AM Pacific Daylight Time
From:[email protected]
Things are even worse north of the border.
You may ask, "Worse? how can it be worse?"
I asked the same question. But it is.
The Chess Federation of Canada stopped publishing its magazine
without even the courtesy of a note. A governor of the CFC said that
not only did they stop the magazine, they are selling their offices
and are trying to find someone to outsource their equipment and
books.
CFC might just collapse in the near future.
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Date: 05 Sep 2008 11:04:54
From: none
Subject: Re: Canadian Chess Federation folding?
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On Sep 5, 11:00=A0am, samsloan <[email protected] > wrote:
> On Sep 5, 10:32=A0am, none <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > As long as Bill and that weasel Shultz are pulling the strings the
> > USCF will be an economic disaster.
>
> Dear Mr. Truong,
>
> Don Schultz is completely out of it. I do not expect him back.
>
> I am surprised you say these things about him because he supported
> your dearly beloved until the very end.
>
> Sam Sloan
Dear Mr. Truong,
--you idiot, I'm not PT
Don Schultz is completely out of it. I do not expect him back.
--Hard to believe he is not still working the phones and sending the
Emails...like that scoop he gave you about Marinello's sexual
leanings...what a weasel...not pulling strings?...don't make me
laugh...it might rupture my colostomy bag.
I am surprised you say these things about him because he supported
your dearly beloved until the very end.
--He has no clue as to who is my "dearly beloved".
Sam Sloan
--The president of Ishitu Press.
--Here is a new scandal for you: Why doesn't the 2007 form 990 of the
Polgar foundation list their "grants given" pursuant to the 990
instructions? Why does HT list his address as Florida and not NY where
he lived?
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Date: 08 Sep 2008 17:03:06
From: Brian Lafferty
Subject: Re: Canadian Chess Federation folding?
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none wrote:
> On Sep 5, 11:00 am, samsloan <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Sep 5, 10:32 am, none <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> As long as Bill and that weasel Shultz are pulling the strings the
>>> USCF will be an economic disaster.
>> Dear Mr. Truong,
>>
>> Don Schultz is completely out of it. I do not expect him back.
>>
>> I am surprised you say these things about him because he supported
>> your dearly beloved until the very end.
>>
>> Sam Sloan
>
> Dear Mr. Truong,
>
> --you idiot, I'm not PT
>
> Don Schultz is completely out of it. I do not expect him back.
>
> --Hard to believe he is not still working the phones and sending the
> Emails...like that scoop he gave you about Marinello's sexual
> leanings...what a weasel...not pulling strings?...don't make me
> laugh...it might rupture my colostomy bag.
>
> I am surprised you say these things about him because he supported
> your dearly beloved until the very end.
>
> --He has no clue as to who is my "dearly beloved".
>
> Sam Sloan
>
> --The president of Ishitu Press.
>
> --Here is a new scandal for you: Why doesn't the 2007 form 990 of the
> Polgar foundation list their "grants given" pursuant to the 990
> instructions? Why does HT list his address as Florida and not NY where
> he lived?
archived
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Date: 05 Sep 2008 08:00:55
From: samsloan
Subject: Re: Canadian Chess Federation folding?
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On Sep 5, 10:32=A0am, none <[email protected] > wrote:
> As long as Bill and that weasel Shultz are pulling the strings the
> USCF will be an economic disaster.
Dear Mr. Truong,
Don Schultz is completely out of it. I do not expect him back.
I am surprised you say these things about him because he supported
your dearly beloved until the very end.
Sam Sloan
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Date: 05 Sep 2008 07:32:43
From: none
Subject: Re: Canadian Chess Federation folding?
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On Sep 5, 2:30=A0am, "[email protected]" <[email protected] > wrote:
> =A0USCCF -- US CONTINENTIAL CHESS FEDERATION
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0 For the record, I do not predict the demise of
> the USCF. =A0I have repeatedly written that "there will
> always be a USCF." =A0But it is increasingly likely,
> though not inevitable (see an alternative mentioned
> below) that the Federation will become a
> hole-in-the-wall office acting as a tournament
> sanctioning body, rating, and clearing house.
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0 The downhill slide has been pronounced since the
> turn of the century. Whatever eventually emerges
> will be very different from what we have now.
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0 However, the most likely outcome is that the
> USCF becomes Bill Goichberg's USCCF after a fire sale.
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0 There is a real political looting element now
> circling the corporate body that may soon become a
> carcass ripe for the picking. =A0The insiders always
> make good money at a liquidation. =A0Goichberg seems
> well-positioned to pocket a half million or more.
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0 Lest anyone read the above as necessarily a
> criticism of Goichberg, I will stipulate that possibly
> his successor USCCF will be a more dynamic
> servant of chess than the current USCF. =A0One might
> have some harsh words about the hypocrisy involved in
> the scuttling process, but that is another issue.
>
> Yours, Larry Parr
>
>
>
> [email protected] wrote:
> > On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 11:12:05 -0700 (PDT), SBD <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
>
> > >On Aug 20, 11:45 am, Rob <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > >> Larry,
> > >> It sounds not very unlike the USCF's problems.
>
> > >No more so than any other fed is struggling with money problems, Rob.
>
> > >Actually Larry's Chicken Little proposal (number 3,457 of his "the sky
> > >is falling" pronouncements) that the CFC will fold is very premature,
> > >and the reason I think so is because of something Larry has always
> > >supposedly lobbied for - disclosure.
>
> > The CFC is having huge financial problems. =A0And could quite likely
> > fold.
>
> > >The statement that the magazine was stopped without a note seems
> > >inaccurate to me, but I won't contest Parr's statement until I
> > >research it some more.
>
> > Actually as a CFC member this is VERY accurate. =A0As a matter of fact
> > my last 'renewal' letter sent in Aug. was still advertising the
> > magazine when it had been cancelled 6 months earlier.
>
> > The CFC has only a small article on its web page announcing the
> > cancelation of the print magazine. =A0Members have not been told
> > properly.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
As long as Bill and that weasel Shultz are pulling the strings the
USCF will be an economic disaster.
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Date: 04 Sep 2008 23:30:32
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Canadian Chess Federation folding?
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USCCF -- US CONTINENTIAL CHESS FEDERATION
For the record, I do not predict the demise of
the USCF. I have repeatedly written that "there will
always be a USCF." But it is increasingly likely,
though not inevitable (see an alternative mentioned
below) that the Federation will become a
hole-in-the-wall office acting as a tournament
sanctioning body, rating, and clearing house.
The downhill slide has been pronounced since the
turn of the century. Whatever eventually emerges
will be very different from what we have now.
However, the most likely outcome is that the
USCF becomes Bill Goichberg's USCCF after a fire sale.
There is a real political looting element now
circling the corporate body that may soon become a
carcass ripe for the picking. The insiders always
make good money at a liquidation. Goichberg seems
well-positioned to pocket a half million or more.
Lest anyone read the above as necessarily a
criticism of Goichberg, I will stipulate that possibly
his successor USCCF will be a more dynamic
servant of chess than the current USCF. One might
have some harsh words about the hypocrisy involved in
the scuttling process, but that is another issue.
Yours, Larry Parr
[email protected] wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 11:12:05 -0700 (PDT), SBD <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >On Aug 20, 11:45 am, Rob <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> Larry,
> >> It sounds not very unlike the USCF's problems.
> >
> >No more so than any other fed is struggling with money problems, Rob.
> >
> >Actually Larry's Chicken Little proposal (number 3,457 of his "the sky
> >is falling" pronouncements) that the CFC will fold is very premature,
> >and the reason I think so is because of something Larry has always
> >supposedly lobbied for - disclosure.
> >
> The CFC is having huge financial problems. And could quite likely
> fold.
>
>
> >The statement that the magazine was stopped without a note seems
> >inaccurate to me, but I won't contest Parr's statement until I
> >research it some more.
> >
>
> Actually as a CFC member this is VERY accurate. As a matter of fact
> my last 'renewal' letter sent in Aug. was still advertising the
> magazine when it had been cancelled 6 months earlier.
>
> The CFC has only a small article on its web page announcing the
> cancelation of the print magazine. Members have not been told
> properly.
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Date: 21 Aug 2008 07:39:52
From: SBD
Subject: Re: Canadian Chess Federation folding?
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On Aug 20, 4:42 pm, Rob <[email protected] > wrote:
> My pronouncement was unresearched. Just going from what I have read
> posted here about stopping the publication. There is a slight
> similarity in selling their offices but the USCF reinvested again.(7%
> interest for 15 years on the mortgage, I think) But the CFC is, I
> think, a much smaller organization than the USCF and may have access
> to less financial support.
A smaller organization needs less financial support; in fact, perhaps
the US fed tries to do too much, spreading itself too thin?
> I agree with you here too. If the end ever does come for the USCF, it
> will go down with about as much grace as a wounded water buffalo and
> the turmoil created in the wake of it's death throes would not be one
> easily righted.
Too many people too heavily invested in the future of the
organization; I've seen what happens when such organizations fail and
it isn't pretty. In that case, hopefully the state orgs take care of
chess in their states while trying to figure out what to do.
That said, I don't see the USCF in death throes, my guess is it will
outlast many of its critics. You can limp along the way they are going
for a long time.
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Date: 20 Aug 2008 14:42:58
From: Rob
Subject: Re: Canadian Chess Federation folding?
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On Aug 20, 1:12=A0pm, SBD <[email protected] > wrote:
> On Aug 20, 11:45 am, Rob <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Larry,
> > It sounds not very unlike the USCF's problems.
>
> No more so than any other fed is struggling with money problems, Rob.
>
> Actually Larry's Chicken Little proposal (number 3,457 of his "the sky
> is falling" pronouncements) that the CFC will fold is very premature,
> and the reason I think so is because of something Larry has always
> supposedly lobbied for - disclosure.
>
> Go to the CFC website and view the various white papers and such. They
> have been very clear that they are in trouble for some time.
>
> The statement that the magazine was stopped without a note seems
> inaccurate to me, but I won't contest Parr's statement until I
> research it some more.
My pronouncement was unresearched. Just going from what I have read
posted here about stopping the publication. There is a slight
similarity in selling their offices but the USCF reinvested again.(7%
interest for 15 years on the mortgage, I think) But the CFC is, I
think, a much smaller organization than the USCF and may have access
to less financial support.
> But I think this is an organization that communicates with its
> members, and thus, if they do fold, any transition to a new org
> should =A0be easier, but I actually think this is one of the few
> organizations that could successfully "reorganize." The USCF? if it
> does die, that will be a violent death, again, my opinion.... and no
> one to pick up the pieces.
I agree with you here too. If the end ever does come for the USCF, it
will go down with about as much grace as a wounded water buffalo and
the turmoil created in the wake of it's death throes would not be one
easily righted.
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Date: 20 Aug 2008 11:12:05
From: SBD
Subject: Re: Canadian Chess Federation folding?
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On Aug 20, 11:45 am, Rob <[email protected] > wrote:
> Larry,
> It sounds not very unlike the USCF's problems.
No more so than any other fed is struggling with money problems, Rob.
Actually Larry's Chicken Little proposal (number 3,457 of his "the sky
is falling" pronouncements) that the CFC will fold is very premature,
and the reason I think so is because of something Larry has always
supposedly lobbied for - disclosure.
Go to the CFC website and view the various white papers and such. They
have been very clear that they are in trouble for some time.
The statement that the magazine was stopped without a note seems
inaccurate to me, but I won't contest Parr's statement until I
research it some more.
But I think this is an organization that communicates with its
members, and thus, if they do fold, any transition to a new org
should be easier, but I actually think this is one of the few
organizations that could successfully "reorganize." The USCF? if it
does die, that will be a violent death, again, my opinion.... and no
one to pick up the pieces.
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Date: 05 Sep 2008 03:58:59
From:
Subject: Re: Canadian Chess Federation folding?
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On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 11:12:05 -0700 (PDT), SBD <[email protected] >
wrote:
>On Aug 20, 11:45 am, Rob <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Larry,
>> It sounds not very unlike the USCF's problems.
>
>No more so than any other fed is struggling with money problems, Rob.
>
>Actually Larry's Chicken Little proposal (number 3,457 of his "the sky
>is falling" pronouncements) that the CFC will fold is very premature,
>and the reason I think so is because of something Larry has always
>supposedly lobbied for - disclosure.
>
The CFC is having huge financial problems. And could quite likely
fold.
>The statement that the magazine was stopped without a note seems
>inaccurate to me, but I won't contest Parr's statement until I
>research it some more.
>
Actually as a CFC member this is VERY accurate. As a matter of fact
my last 'renewal' letter sent in Aug. was still advertising the
magazine when it had been cancelled 6 months earlier.
The CFC has only a small article on its web page announcing the
cancelation of the print magazine. Members have not been told
properly.
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Date: 20 Aug 2008 17:54:27
From: Ray Gordon, creator of the \pivot\
Subject: Re: Canadian Chess Federation folding?
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The USCF? if it
> does die, that will be a violent death, again, my opinion.... and no
> one to pick up the pieces.
ICC will pick them up, not that they need to.
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Date: 20 Aug 2008 09:45:28
From: Rob
Subject: Re: Canadian Chess Federation folding?
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On Aug 20, 10:13=A0am, "[email protected]" <[email protected] > wrote:
> In a message dated 8/20/2008 8:08:04 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
>
> [email protected] writes:
>
> Subj: [fide-chess] Chess Fed of Canada quits publishing its magazine
> Date:8/20/2008 8:08:04 AM Pacific Daylight Time
> From:[email protected]
>
> Things are even worse north of the border.
> You may ask, "Worse? how can it be worse?"
> I asked the same question. But it is.
>
> The Chess Federation of Canada stopped publishing its magazine
> without even the courtesy of a note. A governor of the CFC said that
> not only did they stop the magazine, they are selling their offices
> and are trying to find someone to outsource their equipment and
> books.
> CFC might just collapse in the near future.
Larry,
It sounds not very unlike the USCF's problems.
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