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Date: 13 Oct 2008 14:22:47
From: Offramp
Subject: Can you help to identify this Botvinnik-Romanovsky Leningrad 1927
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I am puzzled by the following game. It was in a collection from
www.ruschess.com, in with the 5th USSR Ch of 1927. Botvinnik was 16 at
the time, yet in the Ch of that year he drew with Romanovsky. In what
event was this game played?
[Event "Ch URS"]
[Site "Leningrad (Russia)"]
[Date "1927.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Romanovsky, Peter Arsenievich"]
[Black "Botvinnik, Mikhail M"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "A09"]
[PlyCount "137"]
[EventDate "1927.??.??"]
1. Nf3 d5 2. c4 d4 3. b4 g6 4. Bb2 Bg7 5. g3 b6 6. Bg2 Bb7 7. O-O e5
8. d3 Ne7
9. Nbd2 O-O 10. Nb3 Nd7 11. c5 a5 12. bxa5 bxa5 13. a4 Bd5 14. Ba3 Nc6
15. Nfd2
Nf6 16. Qc2 Re8 17. Ne4 Rb8 18. Nbd2 Nxe4 19. Nxe4 f5 20. Nd6 Bb3 21.
Qc1 cxd6
22. Bxc6 Re6 23. cxd6 Bf8 24. d7 Bh6 25. Qc5 Bf8 26. Qxf8+ Qxf8 27.
Bxf8 Kxf8
28. Rfc1 Rd6 29. Rab1 Rb4 30. Bb5 Ke7 31. Rc8 Rxd7 32. Bxd7 Kxd7 33.
Ra8 Bc2
34. Rxb4 axb4 35. a5 Kc7 36. a6 b3 37. a7 Kb7 38. Rb8+ Kxa7 39. Rb4 e4
40. Kf1
exd3 41. exd3 Bxd3+ 42. Ke1 Bc2 43. Kd2 d3 44. Kc3 Ka6 45. h4 Ka7 46.
Rb5 h5
47. Rb4 Ka6 48. Rb8 Ka5 49. Rg8 d2 50. Kxd2 f4 51. gxf4 Kb4 52. Rb8+
Kc4 53.
Rc8+ Kd4 54. f3 Bf5 55. Rb8 Kc4 56. Rb7 Bc2 57. Rc7+ Kd4 58. Ra7 Kc4
59. Ra4+
Kb5 60. Re4 Kc5 61. Kc3 Kc6 62. Rd4 Kc5 63. Rd2 Kb5 64. Rxc2 bxc2 65.
Kxc2 Kc6
66. Kd3 Kd7 67. Ke4 Ke6 68. f5+ gxf5+ 69. Kd4 1-0
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Date: 20 Oct 2008 11:20:53
From:
Subject: Re: Can you help to identify this Botvinnik-Romanovsky Leningrad 1927
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On Oct 20, 1:49=A0pm, Chvsanchez <[email protected] > wrote:
> From "Achieving the Aim" by Botvinnik:
>
> "In the summer of 1927 I took part in a six-man double-round
> tournament. I lived in a dacha at Sestroretsk, spent all day on the
> beach... and twice a week I paid a visit to Leningrad. The journey was
> by train... In the second half I lost the decisive game to Romanovsky
> and came second. I was put in the list of candidates, fifth in line,
> for admission to the USSR Championship. But the 'candidate' was
> already feared; my games were published in the papers."
>
> From "Partidas selectas I" by Botvinnik:
>
> "En el verano de [1927], en el club de ajedrez del Palacio de los
> trabajadores transcurri=F3 un match-torneo a doble ronda con 6 conocidos
> ajedrecistas. Fueron P. Romanovski, S. Gothlif, A. Model, Y. Rojlin,
> V. Ragozin y [yo].
>
> Para m=ED la competici=F3n ten=EDa un especial significado, porque en el
> oto=F1o de 1927 deb=EDa celebrarse el 5=BA Campeonato de la URSS; en caso=
de
> una actuaci=F3n favorable en el match-torneo podr=EDa inclu=EDrseme en el
> n=FAmero de candidatos a participar en el campeonato.
>
> Jugu=E9 el torneo con gran energ=EDa, perdiendo solamente con Piotr
> Arsenievich Romanovski, y gan=E9 a los restantes. Me sent=EDa muy bien:
> viv=EDa en una dacha en Sestroretsk (pas=E9 todo el tiempo en la playa),
> dos veces a la semana iba a Leningrado..."
Here is the above passage in English, in case anyone wants a
translation:
In the summer of 1927, in the chess club at the Palace of Labor, a
double-round tournament of six well-known players was held. These were
P. Romanovsky, S. Gothilf, A. Model, Y. Rokhlin, V. Ragozin and
myself.
For me the competition was of great significance, since in the
autumn of 1927 the next USSR Championship, the 5th, was due to take
place; in the event of a successful performance in the match-
tournament there was a possibility of me being included in the list of
candidates for the championship.
I conducted the tournament with great energy, losing only my match
to Romanovsky, and winning the rest. I felt splendid. I lived at the
dacha in Sestroretsk (where I spent all the time on the beach), and
twice a week I traveled to Leningrad =85
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Date: 20 Oct 2008 11:07:43
From: Offramp
Subject: Re: Can you help to identify this Botvinnik-Romanovsky Leningrad 1927
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Chvsanchez wrote:
> From "Achieving the Aim" by Botvinnik:
>
> "In the summer of 1927 I took part in a six-man double-round
> tournament. I lived in a dacha at Sestroretsk, spent all day on the
> beach... and twice a week I paid a visit to Leningrad. The journey was
> by train... In the second half I lost the decisive game to Romanovsky
> and came second. I was put in the list of candidates, fifth in line,
> for admission to the USSR Championship. But the 'candidate' was
> already feared; my games were published in the papers."
>
> From "Partidas selectas I" by Botvinnik:
>
> "En el verano de [1927], en el club de ajedrez del Palacio de los
> trabajadores transcurri=EF=BF=BD un match-torneo a doble ronda con 6 cono=
cidos
> ajedrecistas. Fueron P. Romanovski, S. Gothlif, A. Model, Y. Rojlin,
> V. Ragozin y [yo].
>
> Para m=EF=BF=BD la competici=EF=BF=BDn ten=EF=BF=BDa un especial signific=
ado, porque en el
> oto=EF=BF=BDo de 1927 deb=EF=BF=BDa celebrarse el 5=EF=BF=BD Campeonato d=
e la URSS; en caso de
> una actuaci=EF=BF=BDn favorable en el match-torneo podr=EF=BF=BDa inclu=
=EF=BF=BDrseme en el
> n=EF=BF=BDmero de candidatos a participar en el campeonato.
>
> Jugu=EF=BF=BD el torneo con gran energ=EF=BF=BDa, perdiendo solamente con=
Piotr
> Arsenievich Romanovski, y gan=EF=BF=BD a los restantes. Me sent=EF=BF=BDa=
muy bien:
> viv=EF=BF=BDa en una dacha en Sestroretsk (pas=EF=BF=BD todo el tiempo en=
la playa),
> dos veces a la semana iba a Leningrado..."
>
>
> On 18 oct, 11:29, Offramp <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On Oct 18, 2:26 pm, [email protected] wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Oct 13, 5:22 pm, Offramp <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > > I am puzzled by the following game. It was in a collection fromwww.=
ruschess.com, in with the 5th USSR Ch of 1927. Botvinnik was 16 at
> > > > the time, yet in the Ch of that year he drew with Romanovsky. In wh=
at
> > > > event was this game played?
> >
> > > > [Event "Ch URS"]
> > > > [Site "Leningrad (Russia)"]
> > > > [Date "1927.??.??"]
> > > > [Round "?"]
> > > > [White "Romanovsky, Peter Arsenievich"]
> > > > [Black "Botvinnik, Mikhail M"]
> > > > [Result "1-0"]
> > > > [ECO "A09"]
> > > > [PlyCount "137"]
> > > > [EventDate "1927.??.??"]
> >
> > > > 1. Nf3 d5 2. c4 d4 3. b4 g6 4. Bb2 Bg7 5. g3 b6 6. Bg2 Bb7 7. O-O e=
5
> > > > 8. d3 Ne7
> > > > 9. Nbd2 O-O 10. Nb3 Nd7 11. c5 a5 12. bxa5 bxa5 13. a4 Bd5 14. Ba3 =
Nc6
> > > > 15. Nfd2
> > > > Nf6 16. Qc2 Re8 17. Ne4 Rb8 18. Nbd2 Nxe4 19. Nxe4 f5 20. Nd6 Bb3 2=
1.
> > > > Qc1 cxd6
> > > > 22. Bxc6 Re6 23. cxd6 Bf8 24. d7 Bh6 25. Qc5 Bf8 26. Qxf8+ Qxf8 27.
> > > > Bxf8 Kxf8
> > > > 28. Rfc1 Rd6 29. Rab1 Rb4 30. Bb5 Ke7 31. Rc8 Rxd7 32. Bxd7 Kxd7 33=
.
> > > > Ra8 Bc2
> > > > 34. Rxb4 axb4 35. a5 Kc7 36. a6 b3 37. a7 Kb7 38. Rb8+ Kxa7 39. Rb4=
e4
> > > > 40. Kf1
> > > > exd3 41. exd3 Bxd3+ 42. Ke1 Bc2 43. Kd2 d3 44. Kc3 Ka6 45. h4 Ka7 4=
6.
> > > > Rb5 h5
> > > > 47. Rb4 Ka6 48. Rb8 Ka5 49. Rg8 d2 50. Kxd2 f4 51. gxf4 Kb4 52. Rb8=
+
> > > > Kc4 53.
> > > > Rc8+ Kd4 54. f3 Bf5 55. Rb8 Kc4 56. Rb7 Bc2 57. Rc7+ Kd4 58. Ra7 Kc=
4
> > > > 59. Ra4+
> > > > Kb5 60. Re4 Kc5 61. Kc3 Kc6 62. Rd4 Kc5 63. Rd2 Kb5 64. Rxc2 bxc2 6=
5.
> > > > Kxc2 Kc6
> > > > 66. Kd3 Kd7 67. Ke4 Ke6 68. f5+ gxf5+ 69. Kd4 1-0
> >
> > > =EF=BF=BD Hmmm, Chessbase does not have this game at all, nor any gam=
e in
> > > which Romanovsky beat Botvinnik. Their game from the 1927 USSR Ch was
> > > a 47-move draw in which Romanovsky played an interesting form of
> > > Philidor's Defense:
> >
> > > [Event "URS-ch05"]
> > > [Site "Moscow"]
> > > [Date "1927.??.??"]
> > > [Round "6"]
> > > [White "Botvinnik, Mikhail"]
> > > [Black "Romanovsky, Peter Arsenievich"]
> > > [Result "1/2-1/2"]
> > > [ECO "C41"]
> > > [PlyCount "94"]
> > > [EventDate "1927.09.26"]
> >
> > > 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 Nf6 4. Nc3 Nbd7 5. Bc4 Be7 6. O-O O-O 7. Qe2
> > > c6 8. a4 Qc7 9. Rd1 h6 10. Ba2 a6 11. h3 Kh7 12. Nh4 g6 13. Nf3 Ng8
> > > 14. Bb3 Ndf6 15. Be3 Bd7 16. a5 Rae8 17. dxe5 dxe5 18. Bb6 Qb8 19. Rd=
2
> > > Bc8 20. Rad1 Nh5 21. Qe3 g5 22. Na4 g4 23. hxg4 Bxg4 24. Nc5 Ngf6 25.
> > > Re1 Nf4 26. Nd3 Nxd3 27. Rxd3 Nh5 28. Nh2 Bg5 29. Qc5 Be7 30. Qe3 Bg5
> > > 31. Qc5 Be7 32. Qc3 Qc8 33. g3 f6 34. Qd2 Be6 35. Bxe6 Qxe6 36. Qe2
> > > Ng7 37. Red1 Rf7 38. Rd7 Bf8 39. Rxf7 Qxf7 40. Ng4 h5 41. Ne3 Re6 42.
> > > Qc4 Kg6 43. Kg2 Rd6 44. Rxd6 Bxd6 45. Qxf7+ Kxf7 46. Kh3 Kg6 47. f4
> > > exf4 1/2-1/2
> >
> > > =EF=BF=BD Checking the crosstables at the back of "Botvinnik's Best G=
ames
> > > 1925-1941," I see one event in which Romanovsky won a game with
> > > Botvinnik. It is listed as simply "Six-player Tournament, Leningrad."
> > > There's no date, but its placement compared to other events makes it
> > > 1927. Romanovsky scored 9-1 (+8 -0 =3D2) to finish atop Botvinnik
> > > (7=EF=BF=BD-2=EF=BF=BD), Model (5-5), Gottgilf (3=EF=BF=BD-6=EF=BF=BD=
), Ragozin =EF=BF=BDand Rokhlin (2=EF=BF=BD-7=EF=BF=BD).
> > > =EF=BF=BD Your game being a Botvinnik loss, it is naturally not inclu=
ded in
> > > the book, but I would bet it probably came from that event.
> >
> > That is great stuff, Mr Kingston. I was trying to exclude the game
> > from the USSR Ch series and I think you have now done so!
> >
> > Thanks again
> >
> > Alan- Ocultar texto de la cita -
> >
> > - Mostrar texto de la cita -
Superbomundo! Muchas gracias!
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Date: 20 Oct 2008 10:49:10
From: Chvsanchez
Subject: Re: Can you help to identify this Botvinnik-Romanovsky Leningrad 1927
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From "Achieving the Aim" by Botvinnik:
"In the summer of 1927 I took part in a six-man double-round
tournament. I lived in a dacha at Sestroretsk, spent all day on the
beach... and twice a week I paid a visit to Leningrad. The journey was
by train... In the second half I lost the decisive game to Romanovsky
and came second. I was put in the list of candidates, fifth in line,
for admission to the USSR Championship. But the 'candidate' was
already feared; my games were published in the papers."
From "Partidas selectas I" by Botvinnik:
"En el verano de [1927], en el club de ajedrez del Palacio de los
trabajadores transcurri=F3 un match-torneo a doble ronda con 6 conocidos
ajedrecistas. Fueron P. Romanovski, S. Gothlif, A. Model, Y. Rojlin,
V. Ragozin y [yo].
Para m=ED la competici=F3n ten=EDa un especial significado, porque en el
oto=F1o de 1927 deb=EDa celebrarse el 5=BA Campeonato de la URSS; en caso d=
e
una actuaci=F3n favorable en el match-torneo podr=EDa inclu=EDrseme en el
n=FAmero de candidatos a participar en el campeonato.
Jugu=E9 el torneo con gran energ=EDa, perdiendo solamente con Piotr
Arsenievich Romanovski, y gan=E9 a los restantes. Me sent=EDa muy bien:
viv=EDa en una dacha en Sestroretsk (pas=E9 todo el tiempo en la playa),
dos veces a la semana iba a Leningrado..."
On 18 oct, 11:29, Offramp <[email protected] > wrote:
> On Oct 18, 2:26 pm, [email protected] wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 13, 5:22 pm, Offramp <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > I am puzzled by the following game. It was in a collection fromwww.ru=
schess.com, in with the 5th USSR Ch of 1927. Botvinnik was 16 at
> > > the time, yet in the Ch of that year he drew with Romanovsky. In what
> > > event was this game played?
>
> > > [Event "Ch URS"]
> > > [Site "Leningrad (Russia)"]
> > > [Date "1927.??.??"]
> > > [Round "?"]
> > > [White "Romanovsky, Peter Arsenievich"]
> > > [Black "Botvinnik, Mikhail M"]
> > > [Result "1-0"]
> > > [ECO "A09"]
> > > [PlyCount "137"]
> > > [EventDate "1927.??.??"]
>
> > > 1. Nf3 d5 2. c4 d4 3. b4 g6 4. Bb2 Bg7 5. g3 b6 6. Bg2 Bb7 7. O-O e5
> > > 8. d3 Ne7
> > > 9. Nbd2 O-O 10. Nb3 Nd7 11. c5 a5 12. bxa5 bxa5 13. a4 Bd5 14. Ba3 Nc=
6
> > > 15. Nfd2
> > > Nf6 16. Qc2 Re8 17. Ne4 Rb8 18. Nbd2 Nxe4 19. Nxe4 f5 20. Nd6 Bb3 21.
> > > Qc1 cxd6
> > > 22. Bxc6 Re6 23. cxd6 Bf8 24. d7 Bh6 25. Qc5 Bf8 26. Qxf8+ Qxf8 27.
> > > Bxf8 Kxf8
> > > 28. Rfc1 Rd6 29. Rab1 Rb4 30. Bb5 Ke7 31. Rc8 Rxd7 32. Bxd7 Kxd7 33.
> > > Ra8 Bc2
> > > 34. Rxb4 axb4 35. a5 Kc7 36. a6 b3 37. a7 Kb7 38. Rb8+ Kxa7 39. Rb4 e=
4
> > > 40. Kf1
> > > exd3 41. exd3 Bxd3+ 42. Ke1 Bc2 43. Kd2 d3 44. Kc3 Ka6 45. h4 Ka7 46.
> > > Rb5 h5
> > > 47. Rb4 Ka6 48. Rb8 Ka5 49. Rg8 d2 50. Kxd2 f4 51. gxf4 Kb4 52. Rb8+
> > > Kc4 53.
> > > Rc8+ Kd4 54. f3 Bf5 55. Rb8 Kc4 56. Rb7 Bc2 57. Rc7+ Kd4 58. Ra7 Kc4
> > > 59. Ra4+
> > > Kb5 60. Re4 Kc5 61. Kc3 Kc6 62. Rd4 Kc5 63. Rd2 Kb5 64. Rxc2 bxc2 65.
> > > Kxc2 Kc6
> > > 66. Kd3 Kd7 67. Ke4 Ke6 68. f5+ gxf5+ 69. Kd4 1-0
>
> > =A0 Hmmm, Chessbase does not have this game at all, nor any game in
> > which Romanovsky beat Botvinnik. Their game from the 1927 USSR Ch was
> > a 47-move draw in which Romanovsky played an interesting form of
> > Philidor's Defense:
>
> > [Event "URS-ch05"]
> > [Site "Moscow"]
> > [Date "1927.??.??"]
> > [Round "6"]
> > [White "Botvinnik, Mikhail"]
> > [Black "Romanovsky, Peter Arsenievich"]
> > [Result "1/2-1/2"]
> > [ECO "C41"]
> > [PlyCount "94"]
> > [EventDate "1927.09.26"]
>
> > 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 Nf6 4. Nc3 Nbd7 5. Bc4 Be7 6. O-O O-O 7. Qe2
> > c6 8. a4 Qc7 9. Rd1 h6 10. Ba2 a6 11. h3 Kh7 12. Nh4 g6 13. Nf3 Ng8
> > 14. Bb3 Ndf6 15. Be3 Bd7 16. a5 Rae8 17. dxe5 dxe5 18. Bb6 Qb8 19. Rd2
> > Bc8 20. Rad1 Nh5 21. Qe3 g5 22. Na4 g4 23. hxg4 Bxg4 24. Nc5 Ngf6 25.
> > Re1 Nf4 26. Nd3 Nxd3 27. Rxd3 Nh5 28. Nh2 Bg5 29. Qc5 Be7 30. Qe3 Bg5
> > 31. Qc5 Be7 32. Qc3 Qc8 33. g3 f6 34. Qd2 Be6 35. Bxe6 Qxe6 36. Qe2
> > Ng7 37. Red1 Rf7 38. Rd7 Bf8 39. Rxf7 Qxf7 40. Ng4 h5 41. Ne3 Re6 42.
> > Qc4 Kg6 43. Kg2 Rd6 44. Rxd6 Bxd6 45. Qxf7+ Kxf7 46. Kh3 Kg6 47. f4
> > exf4 1/2-1/2
>
> > =A0 Checking the crosstables at the back of "Botvinnik's Best Games
> > 1925-1941," I see one event in which Romanovsky won a game with
> > Botvinnik. It is listed as simply "Six-player Tournament, Leningrad."
> > There's no date, but its placement compared to other events makes it
> > 1927. Romanovsky scored 9-1 (+8 -0 =3D2) to finish atop Botvinnik
> > (7=BD-2=BD), Model (5-5), Gottgilf (3=BD-6=BD), Ragozin =A0and Rokhlin =
(2=BD-7=BD).
> > =A0 Your game being a Botvinnik loss, it is naturally not included in
> > the book, but I would bet it probably came from that event.
>
> That is great stuff, Mr Kingston. I was trying to exclude the game
> from the USSR Ch series and I think you have now done so!
>
> Thanks again
>
> Alan- Ocultar texto de la cita -
>
> - Mostrar texto de la cita -
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Date: 18 Oct 2008 07:29:45
From: Offramp
Subject: Re: Can you help to identify this Botvinnik-Romanovsky Leningrad 1927
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On Oct 18, 2:26 pm, [email protected] wrote:
> On Oct 13, 5:22 pm, Offramp <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I am puzzled by the following game. It was in a collection fromwww.rusc=
hess.com, in with the 5th USSR Ch of 1927. Botvinnik was 16 at
> > the time, yet in the Ch of that year he drew with Romanovsky. In what
> > event was this game played?
>
> > [Event "Ch URS"]
> > [Site "Leningrad (Russia)"]
> > [Date "1927.??.??"]
> > [Round "?"]
> > [White "Romanovsky, Peter Arsenievich"]
> > [Black "Botvinnik, Mikhail M"]
> > [Result "1-0"]
> > [ECO "A09"]
> > [PlyCount "137"]
> > [EventDate "1927.??.??"]
>
> > 1. Nf3 d5 2. c4 d4 3. b4 g6 4. Bb2 Bg7 5. g3 b6 6. Bg2 Bb7 7. O-O e5
> > 8. d3 Ne7
> > 9. Nbd2 O-O 10. Nb3 Nd7 11. c5 a5 12. bxa5 bxa5 13. a4 Bd5 14. Ba3 Nc6
> > 15. Nfd2
> > Nf6 16. Qc2 Re8 17. Ne4 Rb8 18. Nbd2 Nxe4 19. Nxe4 f5 20. Nd6 Bb3 21.
> > Qc1 cxd6
> > 22. Bxc6 Re6 23. cxd6 Bf8 24. d7 Bh6 25. Qc5 Bf8 26. Qxf8+ Qxf8 27.
> > Bxf8 Kxf8
> > 28. Rfc1 Rd6 29. Rab1 Rb4 30. Bb5 Ke7 31. Rc8 Rxd7 32. Bxd7 Kxd7 33.
> > Ra8 Bc2
> > 34. Rxb4 axb4 35. a5 Kc7 36. a6 b3 37. a7 Kb7 38. Rb8+ Kxa7 39. Rb4 e4
> > 40. Kf1
> > exd3 41. exd3 Bxd3+ 42. Ke1 Bc2 43. Kd2 d3 44. Kc3 Ka6 45. h4 Ka7 46.
> > Rb5 h5
> > 47. Rb4 Ka6 48. Rb8 Ka5 49. Rg8 d2 50. Kxd2 f4 51. gxf4 Kb4 52. Rb8+
> > Kc4 53.
> > Rc8+ Kd4 54. f3 Bf5 55. Rb8 Kc4 56. Rb7 Bc2 57. Rc7+ Kd4 58. Ra7 Kc4
> > 59. Ra4+
> > Kb5 60. Re4 Kc5 61. Kc3 Kc6 62. Rd4 Kc5 63. Rd2 Kb5 64. Rxc2 bxc2 65.
> > Kxc2 Kc6
> > 66. Kd3 Kd7 67. Ke4 Ke6 68. f5+ gxf5+ 69. Kd4 1-0
>
> Hmmm, Chessbase does not have this game at all, nor any game in
> which Romanovsky beat Botvinnik. Their game from the 1927 USSR Ch was
> a 47-move draw in which Romanovsky played an interesting form of
> Philidor's Defense:
>
> [Event "URS-ch05"]
> [Site "Moscow"]
> [Date "1927.??.??"]
> [Round "6"]
> [White "Botvinnik, Mikhail"]
> [Black "Romanovsky, Peter Arsenievich"]
> [Result "1/2-1/2"]
> [ECO "C41"]
> [PlyCount "94"]
> [EventDate "1927.09.26"]
>
> 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 Nf6 4. Nc3 Nbd7 5. Bc4 Be7 6. O-O O-O 7. Qe2
> c6 8. a4 Qc7 9. Rd1 h6 10. Ba2 a6 11. h3 Kh7 12. Nh4 g6 13. Nf3 Ng8
> 14. Bb3 Ndf6 15. Be3 Bd7 16. a5 Rae8 17. dxe5 dxe5 18. Bb6 Qb8 19. Rd2
> Bc8 20. Rad1 Nh5 21. Qe3 g5 22. Na4 g4 23. hxg4 Bxg4 24. Nc5 Ngf6 25.
> Re1 Nf4 26. Nd3 Nxd3 27. Rxd3 Nh5 28. Nh2 Bg5 29. Qc5 Be7 30. Qe3 Bg5
> 31. Qc5 Be7 32. Qc3 Qc8 33. g3 f6 34. Qd2 Be6 35. Bxe6 Qxe6 36. Qe2
> Ng7 37. Red1 Rf7 38. Rd7 Bf8 39. Rxf7 Qxf7 40. Ng4 h5 41. Ne3 Re6 42.
> Qc4 Kg6 43. Kg2 Rd6 44. Rxd6 Bxd6 45. Qxf7+ Kxf7 46. Kh3 Kg6 47. f4
> exf4 1/2-1/2
>
> Checking the crosstables at the back of "Botvinnik's Best Games
> 1925-1941," I see one event in which Romanovsky won a game with
> Botvinnik. It is listed as simply "Six-player Tournament, Leningrad."
> There's no date, but its placement compared to other events makes it
> 1927. Romanovsky scored 9-1 (+8 -0 =3D2) to finish atop Botvinnik
> (7=BD-2=BD), Model (5-5), Gottgilf (3=BD-6=BD), Ragozin and Rokhlin (2=
=BD-7=BD).
> Your game being a Botvinnik loss, it is naturally not included in
> the book, but I would bet it probably came from that event.
That is great stuff, Mr Kingston. I was trying to exclude the game
from the USSR Ch series and I think you have now done so!
Thanks again
Alan
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Date: 18 Oct 2008 06:26:11
From:
Subject: Re: Can you help to identify this Botvinnik-Romanovsky Leningrad 1927
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On Oct 13, 5:22=A0pm, Offramp <[email protected] > wrote:
> I am puzzled by the following game. It was in a collection fromwww.rusche=
ss.com, in with the 5th USSR Ch of 1927. Botvinnik was 16 at
> the time, yet in the Ch of that year he drew with Romanovsky. In what
> event was this game played?
>
> [Event "Ch URS"]
> [Site "Leningrad (Russia)"]
> [Date "1927.??.??"]
> [Round "?"]
> [White "Romanovsky, Peter Arsenievich"]
> [Black "Botvinnik, Mikhail M"]
> [Result "1-0"]
> [ECO "A09"]
> [PlyCount "137"]
> [EventDate "1927.??.??"]
>
> 1. Nf3 d5 2. c4 d4 3. b4 g6 4. Bb2 Bg7 5. g3 b6 6. Bg2 Bb7 7. O-O e5
> 8. d3 Ne7
> 9. Nbd2 O-O 10. Nb3 Nd7 11. c5 a5 12. bxa5 bxa5 13. a4 Bd5 14. Ba3 Nc6
> 15. Nfd2
> Nf6 16. Qc2 Re8 17. Ne4 Rb8 18. Nbd2 Nxe4 19. Nxe4 f5 20. Nd6 Bb3 21.
> Qc1 cxd6
> 22. Bxc6 Re6 23. cxd6 Bf8 24. d7 Bh6 25. Qc5 Bf8 26. Qxf8+ Qxf8 27.
> Bxf8 Kxf8
> 28. Rfc1 Rd6 29. Rab1 Rb4 30. Bb5 Ke7 31. Rc8 Rxd7 32. Bxd7 Kxd7 33.
> Ra8 Bc2
> 34. Rxb4 axb4 35. a5 Kc7 36. a6 b3 37. a7 Kb7 38. Rb8+ Kxa7 39. Rb4 e4
> 40. Kf1
> exd3 41. exd3 Bxd3+ 42. Ke1 Bc2 43. Kd2 d3 44. Kc3 Ka6 45. h4 Ka7 46.
> Rb5 h5
> 47. Rb4 Ka6 48. Rb8 Ka5 49. Rg8 d2 50. Kxd2 f4 51. gxf4 Kb4 52. Rb8+
> Kc4 53.
> Rc8+ Kd4 54. f3 Bf5 55. Rb8 Kc4 56. Rb7 Bc2 57. Rc7+ Kd4 58. Ra7 Kc4
> 59. Ra4+
> Kb5 60. Re4 Kc5 61. Kc3 Kc6 62. Rd4 Kc5 63. Rd2 Kb5 64. Rxc2 bxc2 65.
> Kxc2 Kc6
> 66. Kd3 Kd7 67. Ke4 Ke6 68. f5+ gxf5+ 69. Kd4 1-0
Hmmm, Chessbase does not have this game at all, nor any game in
which Romanovsky beat Botvinnik. Their game from the 1927 USSR Ch was
a 47-move draw in which Romanovsky played an interesting form of
Philidor's Defense:
[Event "URS-ch05"]
[Site "Moscow"]
[Date "1927.??.??"]
[Round "6"]
[White "Botvinnik, Mikhail"]
[Black "Romanovsky, Peter Arsenievich"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "C41"]
[PlyCount "94"]
[EventDate "1927.09.26"]
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 Nf6 4. Nc3 Nbd7 5. Bc4 Be7 6. O-O O-O 7. Qe2
c6 8. a4 Qc7 9. Rd1 h6 10. Ba2 a6 11. h3 Kh7 12. Nh4 g6 13. Nf3 Ng8
14. Bb3 Ndf6 15. Be3 Bd7 16. a5 Rae8 17. dxe5 dxe5 18. Bb6 Qb8 19. Rd2
Bc8 20. Rad1 Nh5 21. Qe3 g5 22. Na4 g4 23. hxg4 Bxg4 24. Nc5 Ngf6 25.
Re1 Nf4 26. Nd3 Nxd3 27. Rxd3 Nh5 28. Nh2 Bg5 29. Qc5 Be7 30. Qe3 Bg5
31. Qc5 Be7 32. Qc3 Qc8 33. g3 f6 34. Qd2 Be6 35. Bxe6 Qxe6 36. Qe2
Ng7 37. Red1 Rf7 38. Rd7 Bf8 39. Rxf7 Qxf7 40. Ng4 h5 41. Ne3 Re6 42.
Qc4 Kg6 43. Kg2 Rd6 44. Rxd6 Bxd6 45. Qxf7+ Kxf7 46. Kh3 Kg6 47. f4
exf4 1/2-1/2
Checking the crosstables at the back of "Botvinnik's Best Games
1925-1941," I see one event in which Romanovsky won a game with
Botvinnik. It is listed as simply "Six-player Tournament, Leningrad."
There's no date, but its placement compared to other events makes it
1927. Romanovsky scored 9-1 (+8 -0 =3D2) to finish atop Botvinnik
(7=BD-2=BD), Model (5-5), Gottgilf (3=BD-6=BD), Ragozin and Rokhlin (2=BD-=
7=BD).
Your game being a Botvinnik loss, it is naturally not included in
the book, but I would bet it probably came from that event.
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Date: 15 Oct 2008 09:58:39
From: Offramp
Subject: Re: Can you help to identify this Botvinnik-Romanovsky Leningrad 1927
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On Oct 13, 10:22=A0pm, Offramp <[email protected] > wrote:
Thanks for the response, Phil.
Google always tells me that there is something seriously wrong with
the Ruschess site. I always get a warning. That's why I only look at
it on the work computer.
I may try and have a look tomorrow.
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Date: 15 Oct 2008 09:49:02
From: Chess One
Subject: Re: Can you help to identify this Botvinnik-Romanovsky Leningrad 1927 game
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If you go back to Ruschess [I helped name that site!] and at the top right
of the screen there is an icon for questions and answer - so ask boris
yeshan your question.
i do not have cross tables for 1927 Soviet Championship, but note that
Romanovsky and Bohatirchuk shared first place. Romanovsky first won it in
1923. Botvinnik fitst won it in 1931.
web searches found:
The fifth Soviet championship was played in Moscow from 26 ix until 25 x
1927. Sixteen-years-old Botvinnik made his debut among the twenty-one
players. The youth played well in the Hall of Columns, but the real battle
went between the radiologist Bohatirchuk and bank worker Romanovsky.
Romanovsky led by one point, when the penultimate round began. He lost to
Grigoriev and Bohatirchuk caught up. The leaders played draws in the final
round. They shared the first place with 14�/21, followed by Dus-Chotimirsky
and Model with 13, Botvinnik and Makogonov with 12�, Nenarokov with 11,
Grigoriev with 10� and Ilyin Zhenevsky with 10 points. A match for the
championship did not take place, because Bohatirchuk had medical duties.
Here is another URL which contains the games, round by round
http://www.pgnmentor.com/events/SovietChamp1927/
But ah! the crosstable:
5th USSR Championship, Moscow 1927
September 26 - October 25
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
1. Bohatirchuk, Fedor x 0 1 1 1 1 1 � � 1 � � � 1 1 � 1 � � � 1
14�- 5�
2. Romanovsky, Peter 1 x 0 � � � 1 0 1 � 0 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 � 1 1
14�- 5�
3. Duz-Khotimirski, Alexander 0 1 x 1 � 0 1 � 0 0 � 1 � 1 1 � 1 � 1 1 1
13 - 7
4. Model, Abram 0 � 0 x 1 0 0 1 � 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 0
13 - 7
5. Botvinnik, Mikhail 0 � � 0 x 1 � 1 1 1 1 0 1 � 0 1 � � 1 � 1
12�- 7�
6. Makogonov, Vladimir 0 � 1 1 0 x � 1 1 � � 0 � 0 1 � � 1 1 1 1
12�- 7�
7. Nenarokov, Vladimir 0 0 0 1 � � x 1 1 � � � 1 1 0 1 0 � � � 1
11 - 9
8. Grigoriev, Nikolai � 1 � 0 0 0 0 x � � � 0 1 1 1 � 1 � 1 0 1
10�- 9�
9. Ilyin-Genevsky, Alexander � 0 1 � 0 0 0 � x � � 1 1 1 0 1 0 0 � 1 1
10 -10
10. Pavlov-Pyanov 0 � 1 0 0 � � � � x � 1 0 0 1 1 1 � 0 � �
9�-10�
11. Rabinovich, Ilya � 1 � 0 0 � � � � � x 1 � 0 0 � 1 1 0 � �
9�-10�
12. Freyman, Sergey � 0 0 0 1 1 � 1 0 0 0 x 1 1 1 0 0 1 0 1 �
9�-10�
13. Sergeev, Vladimir � 0 � 0 0 � 0 0 0 1 � 0 x 1 � 1 � 1 1 � �
9 -11
14. Perfiliev, Alexander 0 0 0 0 � 1 0 0 0 1 1 0 0 x 1 � 0 1 1 � 1
8�-11�
15. Vilner, Yakov 0 0 0 0 1 0 1 0 1 0 1 0 � 0 x 0 � 0 1 1 1
8 -12
16. Rokhlin, Yakov � 0 � 0 0 � 0 � 0 0 � 1 0 � 1 x � � 1 0 1
8 -12
17. Seleznyev 0 0 0 0 � � 1 0 1 0 0 1 � 1 � � x � � � 0
8 -12
18. Kaspersky, Anton � 0 � 0 � 0 � � 1 � 0 0 0 0 1 � � x 0 1 �
7�-12�
19. Rauzer, Vsevolod � � 0 0 0 0 � 0 � 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 � 1 x 1 0
7�-12�
20. Smorodsky, Andrey � 0 0 1 � 0 � 1 0 � � 0 � � 0 1 � 0 0 x 0
7 -13
21. Kholodkevich, Khrisogon 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 � � � � 0 0 0 1 � 1 1 x
6�-13�
found at http://members.aol.com/graemecree/chesschamps/ussr/ussr05.htm
cordially, phil innes
"Offramp" <[email protected] > wrote in message
news:a1880f1e-928e-4e19-91b6-edf7255cb5c9@u75g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>I am puzzled by the following game. It was in a collection from
> www.ruschess.com, in with the 5th USSR Ch of 1927. Botvinnik was 16 at
> the time, yet in the Ch of that year he drew with Romanovsky. In what
> event was this game played?
>
> [Event "Ch URS"]
> [Site "Leningrad (Russia)"]
> [Date "1927.??.??"]
> [Round "?"]
> [White "Romanovsky, Peter Arsenievich"]
> [Black "Botvinnik, Mikhail M"]
> [Result "1-0"]
> [ECO "A09"]
> [PlyCount "137"]
> [EventDate "1927.??.??"]
>
> 1. Nf3 d5 2. c4 d4 3. b4 g6 4. Bb2 Bg7 5. g3 b6 6. Bg2 Bb7 7. O-O e5
> 8. d3 Ne7
> 9. Nbd2 O-O 10. Nb3 Nd7 11. c5 a5 12. bxa5 bxa5 13. a4 Bd5 14. Ba3 Nc6
> 15. Nfd2
> Nf6 16. Qc2 Re8 17. Ne4 Rb8 18. Nbd2 Nxe4 19. Nxe4 f5 20. Nd6 Bb3 21.
> Qc1 cxd6
> 22. Bxc6 Re6 23. cxd6 Bf8 24. d7 Bh6 25. Qc5 Bf8 26. Qxf8+ Qxf8 27.
> Bxf8 Kxf8
> 28. Rfc1 Rd6 29. Rab1 Rb4 30. Bb5 Ke7 31. Rc8 Rxd7 32. Bxd7 Kxd7 33.
> Ra8 Bc2
> 34. Rxb4 axb4 35. a5 Kc7 36. a6 b3 37. a7 Kb7 38. Rb8+ Kxa7 39. Rb4 e4
> 40. Kf1
> exd3 41. exd3 Bxd3+ 42. Ke1 Bc2 43. Kd2 d3 44. Kc3 Ka6 45. h4 Ka7 46.
> Rb5 h5
> 47. Rb4 Ka6 48. Rb8 Ka5 49. Rg8 d2 50. Kxd2 f4 51. gxf4 Kb4 52. Rb8+
> Kc4 53.
> Rc8+ Kd4 54. f3 Bf5 55. Rb8 Kc4 56. Rb7 Bc2 57. Rc7+ Kd4 58. Ra7 Kc4
> 59. Ra4+
> Kb5 60. Re4 Kc5 61. Kc3 Kc6 62. Rd4 Kc5 63. Rd2 Kb5 64. Rxc2 bxc2 65.
> Kxc2 Kc6
> 66. Kd3 Kd7 67. Ke4 Ke6 68. f5+ gxf5+ 69. Kd4 1-0
>
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