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Date: 09 Mar 2008 11:28:48
From: Ace Hole
Subject: Byrne vs. Fischer parts 1 + 2
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My local paper's chess column printed the Byrne vs. Fischer (us champs
1963) today and I can't find a win after 22)Nce2 I searched google for
this move in annotations but no one mentions it. I don't see how black
can get to the king after he goes to e1. I'm sure I'm missing
something simple.
In searching for this game, I ran across Byrne vs. Fischer 1956 (the
"game of the century") and after 12)Nxa4 Nxe4 13)Qb4 seems like the
most obvious move to me but again none of the anotators mention it.
Again I'm sure I'm missing something simple.
Can anyone help me see the error of my ways in these two moves?
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Date: 14 Mar 2008 00:37:42
From: Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod)
Subject: Re: Byrne vs. Fischer parts 1 + 2
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On 14, 12:08 am, "Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod)"
<[email protected] > wrote:
> On 9, 11:28 am, Ace Hole <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > My local paper's chess column printed the Byrne vs. Fischer
> > (us champs 1963)
>
> That was GM Robert Byrne.
>
> > In searching for this game, I ran across Byrne vs. Fischer 1956
> > (the "game of the century")
>
> That was IM Donald Byrne, younger brother of Robert.
> Donald Byrne showed off by early resigning, which
> only had annoyed Robert Fischer (and for a good
> reason).
>
> Regards,
>
> Wlod
I am sorry - it was Robert who was in a hurrry
to resign, while Donald was actually checkmated.
Wlod
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Date: 14 Mar 2008 00:08:23
From: Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod)
Subject: Re: Byrne vs. Fischer parts 1 + 2
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On 9, 11:28 am, Ace Hole <[email protected] > wrote:
> My local paper's chess column printed the Byrne vs. Fischer
> (us champs 1963)
That was GM Robert Byrne.
> In searching for this game, I ran across Byrne vs. Fischer 1956
> (the "game of the century")
That was IM Donald Byrne, younger brother of Robert.
Donald Byrne showed off by early resigning, which
only had annoyed Robert Fischer (and for a good
reason).
Regards,
Wlod
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Date: 13 Mar 2008 14:39:35
From: Freelancer7
Subject: Re: Byrne vs. Fischer parts 1 + 2
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"Ace Hole" <[email protected] > wrote in message
news:e346dbe1-cfa7-44dc-a585-2ea11ac0ba77@m34g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> My local paper's chess column printed the Byrne vs. Fischer (us champs
> 1963) today and I can't find a win after 22)Nce2 I searched google for
> this move in annotations but no one mentions it. I don't see how black
> can get to the king after he goes to e1. I'm sure I'm missing
> something simple.
>
> In searching for this game, I ran across Byrne vs. Fischer 1956 (the
> "game of the century") and after 12)Nxa4 Nxe4 13)Qb4 seems like the
> most obvious move to me but again none of the anotators mention it.
> Again I'm sure I'm missing something simple.
>
> Can anyone help me see the error of my ways in these two moves?
Your computer will tell you the answer in a second.
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Date: 09 Mar 2008 15:20:33
From:
Subject: Re: Byrne vs. Fischer parts 1 + 2
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On 9, 3:42=A0pm, Ace Hole <[email protected] > wrote:
> On 9, 2:52=A0pm, [email protected] wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 9, 2:28=A0pm, Ace Hole <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > My local paper's chess column printed the Byrne vs. Fischer (us champs=
> > > 1963) today and I can't find a win after 22)Nce2 I searched google for=
> > > this move in annotations but no one mentions it. I don't see how black=
> > > can get to the king after he goes to e1. I'm sure I'm missing
> > > something simple.
>
> > 22.Nce2 Qh3+ 23.Ke1 Qxh2 and White cannot stop 24...Qg1# without
> > enormous material loss.
>
> > > In searching for this game, I ran across Byrne vs. Fischer 1956 (the
> > > "game of the century") and after 12)Nxa4 Nxe4 13)Qb4 seems like the
> > > most obvious move to me but again none of the anotators mention it.
> > > Again I'm sure I'm missing something simple.
>
> > It seems to me that after 13.Qb4 Nxg5 14.Nxg5 Bxd1 15.Kxd1 b5 16.Nc5
> > (or worse, 16.Nc3 a5 17.Qb3 Qxd4+) 16...Bxd4 17.Nd3 Qd5 Black, for the
> > relatively small investment of two knights in exchange for a rook and
> > two pawns, has a tremendous attack.
>
> I was thinking that after 13)...Qxh2 14)Q moves - the king could
> escape to the queenside via d2 but now I see that a. there is no good
> square for the queen to move to and b. simply Bh6 would slam that door
> shut!
>
> I am embarrassed to admit that I was analysing 14)...Nxg5 15)Qxg5 - I
> hadn't had my coffee yet! thanks for the help.
That would be a tough move to make from b4! ;-)
You're welcome. :-)
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Date: 09 Mar 2008 13:16:46
From: Offramp
Subject: Re: Byrne vs. Fischer parts 1 + 2
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I believe that Fischer was the first to state that in certain
symmetrical positions (Grunfelds, eg) black stood better. Absolute
genius!.
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Date: 09 Mar 2008 12:42:14
From: Ace Hole
Subject: Re: Byrne vs. Fischer parts 1 + 2
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On 9, 2:52=A0pm, [email protected] wrote:
> On 9, 2:28=A0pm, Ace Hole <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > My local paper's chess column printed the Byrne vs. Fischer (us champs
> > 1963) today and I can't find a win after 22)Nce2 I searched google for
> > this move in annotations but no one mentions it. I don't see how black
> > can get to the king after he goes to e1. I'm sure I'm missing
> > something simple.
>
> 22.Nce2 Qh3+ 23.Ke1 Qxh2 and White cannot stop 24...Qg1# without
> enormous material loss.
>
> > In searching for this game, I ran across Byrne vs. Fischer 1956 (the
> > "game of the century") and after 12)Nxa4 Nxe4 13)Qb4 seems like the
> > most obvious move to me but again none of the anotators mention it.
> > Again I'm sure I'm missing something simple.
>
> It seems to me that after 13.Qb4 Nxg5 14.Nxg5 Bxd1 15.Kxd1 b5 16.Nc5
> (or worse, 16.Nc3 a5 17.Qb3 Qxd4+) 16...Bxd4 17.Nd3 Qd5 Black, for the
> relatively small investment of two knights in exchange for a rook and
> two pawns, has a tremendous attack.
I was thinking that after 13)...Qxh2 14)Q moves - the king could
escape to the queenside via d2 but now I see that a. there is no good
square for the queen to move to and b. simply Bh6 would slam that door
shut!
I am embarrassed to admit that I was analysing 14)...Nxg5 15)Qxg5 - I
hadn't had my coffee yet! thanks for the help.
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Date: 09 Mar 2008 11:52:41
From:
Subject: Re: Byrne vs. Fischer parts 1 + 2
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On 9, 2:28=A0pm, Ace Hole <[email protected] > wrote:
> My local paper's chess column printed the Byrne vs. Fischer (us champs
> 1963) today and I can't find a win after 22)Nce2 I searched google for
> this move in annotations but no one mentions it. I don't see how black
> can get to the king after he goes to e1. I'm sure I'm missing
> something simple.
22.Nce2 Qh3+ 23.Ke1 Qxh2 and White cannot stop 24...Qg1# without
enormous material loss.
> In searching for this game, I ran across Byrne vs. Fischer 1956 (the
> "game of the century") and after 12)Nxa4 Nxe4 13)Qb4 seems like the
> most obvious move to me but again none of the anotators mention it.
> Again I'm sure I'm missing something simple.
It seems to me that after 13.Qb4 Nxg5 14.Nxg5 Bxd1 15.Kxd1 b5 16.Nc5
(or worse, 16.Nc3 a5 17.Qb3 Qxd4+) 16...Bxd4 17.Nd3 Qd5 Black, for the
relatively small investment of two knights in exchange for a rook and
two pawns, has a tremendous attack.
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