Best game by Wlod.

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Date: 10 Dec 2008 08:30:59
From: Sanny
Subject: Best game by Wlod.

Wlod played with Baby level. It was a game of huge sacrifices.

At First wlod gave a pawn sacrifice on move 8.

On move 15th Wlod gave sacrifice of its Bishop for a pawn.

Now GetClub was a pawn up.

On move 21 Wlod sacrifice his Rook for Bishop.

Now GetClub was up by a Rook.

Then on 26th move Wlod found Mate. It was a quick win by sacrificing a
Rook.

Game Played between wlod and baby at GetClub.com

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
wlod: (White)
baby: (Black)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM33403&game=Chess
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

White -- Black
(wlod) -- (baby)

1. e2-e4{12} e7-e5{0}
2. f2-f4{4} Bf8-c5{0}
3. Ng1-f3{4} d7-d6{0}
4. c2-c3{4} Bc5-b6{0}
5. d2-d4{2} Ng8-f6{2}
6. Bf1-d3{8} d6-d5{0}
7. e4-d5{12} e5-f4{2}
8. Ke1-g1{6} Nf6-d5{2}
9. Rf1-e1{6} Ke8-f8{4}
10. c3-c4{10} Nd5-f6{2}
11. Bc1-f4{18} Qd8-d7{2}
12. Kg1-h1{10} Bb6-d4{2}
13. Nf3-d4{12} Qd7-d4{0}
14. Bf4-e5{8} Qd4-d8{2}
15. Nb1-c3{10} Nf6-d7{0}
16. Be5-g7{26} Kf8-g7{2}
17. Qd1-g4{4} Kg7-f8{2}
18. Qg4-h5{14} Nd7-b6{2}
19. Qh5-h6{6} Kf8-g8{2}
20. Re1-e4{14} Bc8-f5{2}
21. Nc3-d5{46} Nb6-d5{2}
22. c4-d5{8} Bf5-e4{0}
23. Bd3-e4{4} Qd8-d7{2}
24. Ra1-e1{18} Qd7-b5{2}
25. b2-b3{12} Qb5-c5{0}
26. Be4-h7{22} Rh8-h7{0}
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wlod: (White)
baby: (Black)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM33403&game=Chess

Well Played. Was this win due to good luck or you really gave these
sacrifices and win in just 26 moves.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Date: 13 Dec 2008 10:15:09
From: Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod)
Subject: Re: Best game by Wlod.

On Dec 13, 12:41 am, Simon Krahnke <[email protected] > wrote:

>
> If you are reading rec.games.chess.misc you
> should be annoyed by Sanny's
> constantly posting off-topic to your group.

I often am. On the other hand, Sanny is an rgcm character,
he is our village you know what, he provides weird
entertainment. And the best of all, check if you have
some extra time, posts by "help bot" (a.k.a. ...).
When he writes about any subject like history of
chess, politics (in particular communism), etc etc etc,
it's all garbage and boring. But when he writes about
GetClub, suddenly he shines, he is entertaining, shows
a great sense of humor. You have to give credit to Sanny
for this highly improbable phenomenon.

> Just as I don't like Sam Sloan and his
> bunch for constantly posting
> off-topic to rec.games.chess.computer.

That's different, that is a rooted in a stupid
but not naive self-interest & antisocial behavior,
with premeditation. Sanny is naive. Don't you love his
question about the mate in one which his master (:-)
level program was about to receive on move 5?

Regards,

Wlod

PS. Hey, sanny, look at what most every
beginner learns within the first ten hours
of their contact with chess:

1.g2-g4 e7-e5
2.f2-f3 Qd8-h4 mate

But in the following game White
plays 2 reasonable moves, and it
challenges the hostile knight on its
third move (and then it's over):

1.e2-e4 Nb8-c6
2.g2-g3 Nc6-d4
3.Ng1-e2 Nd4-f3 mate

Your master program has succeeded
in combining the self-mate ideas from
both of the above games--congratulations!

Wlod

Date: 13 Dec 2008 09:41:10
From: Simon Krahnke
Subject: Re: Best game by Wlod.

* Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod) (2008-12-12) schrieb:

> It's psychological, it has something to do with
> being nice. Sanny is here, one of the fellow participants,
> hence I kind of feel oblidged to try, to giv3e him a break.
> So, despite so many places where one can play chess smoothly,
> with pleasure and satisfaction, I play a masochist and try
> GetClub. But I am not a masochist, and I won't be tempted
> by GetClub anymore, my rgcm loyalty would be displaced :-)

If you are reading rec.games.chess.misc you should be annoyed by Sanny's
constantly posting off-topic to your group.

Just as I don't like Sam Sloan and his bunch for constantly posting
off-topic to rec.games.chess.computer.

mfg, simon .... l

Date: 12 Dec 2008 21:26:13
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Second game by Wlod.

> =A0 In my recent experience, closing the
> browser after every game to avoid any
> build-up ofGetClub'smany problems,
> I've found Baby level to be both quick
> to move and a reasonable tactician,
> though strategically awful.

Thats why The Applet says "Close this Browser" after the game is
complete.

So that new game starts in new Browser.

> =A0 Mr. Wlod is right about the horrible
> issues, such as being forced to close
> the browser and log back in after every
> game-- that sort of thing. =A0 But the
> problems he reports regarding his
> screen seem to be his own peculiar
> affliction; I have no trouble with the
> screen,

Looks like He has some old Slow computer or the RAM in computer is
quite small. Or may be he has opened a lot of web pages while playing
the game.

When you Start a new game Its better to restart your Computer and do
not load any other program. So that maximum resources are given to the
program.

Incase Internet connection is slow that should also be seen.

As when I play with Baby level my moves are played in just 1 second.
While wlod was taking 50 sec to make a move. Something terribly slow
in his computer. Even other players do not complain such a problem.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Date: 12 Dec 2008 16:56:43
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Second game by Wlod.

On Dec 12, 5:44=A0pm, "Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod)"
<[email protected] > wrote:

> Ridiculous! With an exception of one or two interruptions
> (during one of them I was writing about the state
> of affairs to rgcm, in the middle of the game; then GetClub
> got completely confused and I had to start the sugn up
> procedure and getting into the game all over from scratch).
>
> I was moving most of the time within 3-5 seconds. Then
> the board was freezing. My move was not appearing on the
> board until after a long time GetClub finally was making
> it's move, taking easily more than a minute most of the time.

Look, this is the real world, not some fantasy
in which you are a world champion, who is
mollycoddled and fawned over. Things could
be worse-- there could be a war going on, with
bombs exploding all around you and you are
playing on board one against the Alien's best
player (an eight-headed demon) for the future
of mankind, for Earth's very survival!

> > White -- Black
> > (wlod) -- (baby)
>
> > 1. d2-d4{24} Ng8-f6{0}
> > 2. c2-c4{6} g7-g6{0}
> > 3. Nb1-c3{4} Bf8-g7{0}
>
> GetClub made the first 3 moves fast.
> Then it was taking forever virtually
> on each move. These numbers in parentheses
> are ficticious.
>
> > 4. e2-e4{4} d7-d6{0}
> > 5. Bc1-g5{16} Ke8-g8{2}
> > 6. Bf1-e2{138} Nf6-d7{0}
> > 7. Be2-f1{88} f7-f5{0}
>
> Now, you don't expect me to really
> play my bishop back and force in
> the opening, like here: Bf1-e2-f1,
> do you? =A0As the result of the lousy
> interface, I gave away 2 moves!
> This is a game with a 2-move handicap! :-)

It's Baby level, you whiner.

> As in my first game, I felt like not
> playing anymore but once again the years
> of chess discipline have prevailed and
> somehow I continued to play despite the
> unfair, lousy circumstances :-)
>
> > 8. Bf1-e2{144}

My god-- it took you even longer this
time, to come up with exactly the same
move as before!

> c7-c5{0}
>
> Wow, it took me 3 moves to
> develop bishop from f1 to e2 :-)

> > 9. Ng1-f3{366} Nb8-c6{0}
> > 10. d4-d5{34} Bg7-c3{2}
> > 11. b2-c3{10} Nc6-a5{0}
> > 12. e4-f5{78} Rf8-f5{0}
> > 13. Ke1-g1{92} Nd7-b8{2}
> > 14. Rf1-e1{120} Nb8-d7{0}
> > 15. Be2-d3{84} Rf5-f7{0}
> > 16. Bg5-h6{90} Nd7-b8{0}

I believe Baby level is mocking your
play.

> > 17. Nf3-g5{90} Rf7-f6{0}
> > 18. Re1-e3{76} Nb8-d7{0}
> > 19. Qd1-e2{234} Nd7-e5{0}
> > 20. Re3-e5{64} d6-e5{0}
> > 21. Qe2-e5{58} Bc8-d7{0}
> > 22. Ra1-e1{66} e7-e6{0}
> > 23. d5-e6{180} Bd7-c8{0}
> > 24. e6-e7{94} Bc8-f5{0}
> > 25. Qe7-d8{Q}{34} Ra8-d8{0}
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------------=
----=AD-----

> > Since Wlod was thinking 106 sec / move on average and Baby was playing
> > in 0.3 sec / move This game is not Balance.

> > Wlod should play with Easy Level

Well, he has established a pattern of
making excuses for the tough time he's
been having against Baby level, so we
can expect more of the same.

In my recent experience, closing the
browser after every game to avoid any
build-up of GetClub's many problems,
I've found Baby level to be both quick
to move and a reasonable tactician,
though strategically awful.

Mr. Wlod is right about the horrible
issues, such as being forced to close
the browser and log back in after every
game-- that sort of thing. But the
problems he reports regarding his
screen seem to be his own peculiar
affliction; I have no trouble with the
screen, other than White's KR being
invisible at move zero, then magically
appearing as Baby level executes its
first move.
And I find the graphic chess board to
be one of the best ever stolen from a
commercial program-- second only to
the pretty blue board of a Richard
Lang's Chess Genius 2.0, perhaps.
I never use the optional, larger board
to analyse, now that I have reading
glasses which magnify everything.

-- help bot

Date: 12 Dec 2008 14:44:51
From: Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod)
Subject: Re: Second game by Wlod.

On Dec 12, 8:51 am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:

> > GetClub again stopped the game abruptly, when
> > it was lost and about to be checkmated.
>
> It resigned. Earlier it used to keep playing
> and players compained me
> that when there is Mate in 2 It must resign the game.

But it should do so gracefully.

>
> > And after the game, GetClub demands
> > that you close the window!
>
> So that you can start a new game.

Please, go, check other servers and learn
about the user interface and good manners
in the context of an Internet chess game.

> In your Second game GetClub took an
> average 0.3 sec / move while Wlod
> took 106 sec / move.
>
> So Wlod was thinking 350 times more than the baby level.

Ridiculous! With an exception of one or two interruptions
(during one of them I was writing about the state
of affairs to rgcm, in the middle of the game; then GetClub
got completely confused and I had to start the sugn up
procedure and getting into the game all over from scratch).

I was moving most of the time within 3-5 seconds. Then
the board was freezing. My move was not appearing on the
board until after a long time GetClub finally was making
it's move, taking easily more than a minute most of the time.
I learned GetClubs habits and forced myself to take it stoically.
I played especially fast the second stage of the game
(about 2/3 of the game).

> Game Played between wlod and baby at GetClub.com
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> wlod: (White)
> baby: (Black)
> Game Played at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
> View Recorded Game:http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM33835&game=Chess
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> White -- Black
> (wlod) -- (baby)
>
> 1. d2-d4{24} Ng8-f6{0}
> 2. c2-c4{6} g7-g6{0}
> 3. Nb1-c3{4} Bf8-g7{0}

GetClub made the first 3 moves fast.
Then it was taking forever virtually
on each move. These numbers in parentheses
are ficticious.

> 4. e2-e4{4} d7-d6{0}
> 5. Bc1-g5{16} Ke8-g8{2}
> 6. Bf1-e2{138} Nf6-d7{0}
> 7. Be2-f1{88} f7-f5{0}

Now, you don't expect me to really
play my bishop back and force in
the opening, like here: Bf1-e2-f1,
do you? As the result of the lousy
interface, I gave away 2 moves!
This is a game with a 2-move handicap! :-)
As in my first game, I felt like not
playing anymore but once again the years
of chess discipline have prevailed and
somehow I continued to play despite the
unfair, lousy circumstances :-)

> 8. Bf1-e2{144} c7-c5{0}

Wow, it took me 3 moves to
develop bishop from f1 to e2 :-)

> 9. Ng1-f3{366} Nb8-c6{0}
> 10. d4-d5{34} Bg7-c3{2}
> 11. b2-c3{10} Nc6-a5{0}
> 12. e4-f5{78} Rf8-f5{0}
> 13. Ke1-g1{92} Nd7-b8{2}
> 14. Rf1-e1{120} Nb8-d7{0}
> 15. Be2-d3{84} Rf5-f7{0}
> 16. Bg5-h6{90} Nd7-b8{0}
> 17. Nf3-g5{90} Rf7-f6{0}
> 18. Re1-e3{76} Nb8-d7{0}
> 19. Qd1-e2{234} Nd7-e5{0}
> 20. Re3-e5{64} d6-e5{0}
> 21. Qe2-e5{58} Bc8-d7{0}
> 22. Ra1-e1{66} e7-e6{0}
> 23. d5-e6{180} Bd7-c8{0}
> 24. e6-e7{94} Bc8-f5{0}
> 25. Qe7-d8{Q}{34} Ra8-d8{0}
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> wlod: (White)
> baby: (Black)
> Game Played at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
> View Recorded Game:http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM33835&game=Chess
>
> In this game again Wlod sacrificed his Rook for a Knight+Pawn.
> 20 Rxe5
>
> After that Wlod advanced his pawn which threathened the Queen and
> there was a Mate Trap So GetClub Resigned.
>
> Since Wlod was thinking 106 sec / move on average and Baby was playing
> in 0.3 sec / move This game is not Balance.

Yeah, right! :-)

I didn't play anything special. It's just that GetClub
does not have a clue about chess. And that's why the
games against GetClub "are not Balance".

> Wlod should play with Easy Level [...]

I should get the hell out of here! :-)

Wlod

Date: 12 Dec 2008 08:51:54
From: Sanny
Subject: Second game by Wlod.

> GetClub again stopped the game abruptly, when
> it was lost and about to be checkmated.

It resigned. Earlier it used to keep playing and players compained me
that when there is Mate in 2 It must resign the game.

> And after the game, GetClub demands
> that you close the window!

So that you can start a new game.

In your Second game GetClub took an average 0.3 sec / move while Wlod
took 106 sec / move.

So Wlod was thinking 350 times more than the baby level.

Game Played between wlod and baby at GetClub.com

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
wlod: (White)
baby: (Black)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM33835&game=Chess
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

White -- Black
(wlod) -- (baby)

1. d2-d4{24} Ng8-f6{0}
2. c2-c4{6} g7-g6{0}
3. Nb1-c3{4} Bf8-g7{0}
4. e2-e4{4} d7-d6{0}
5. Bc1-g5{16} Ke8-g8{2}
6. Bf1-e2{138} Nf6-d7{0}
7. Be2-f1{88} f7-f5{0}
8. Bf1-e2{144} c7-c5{0}
9. Ng1-f3{366} Nb8-c6{0}
10. d4-d5{34} Bg7-c3{2}
11. b2-c3{10} Nc6-a5{0}
12. e4-f5{78} Rf8-f5{0}
13. Ke1-g1{92} Nd7-b8{2}
14. Rf1-e1{120} Nb8-d7{0}
15. Be2-d3{84} Rf5-f7{0}
16. Bg5-h6{90} Nd7-b8{0}
17. Nf3-g5{90} Rf7-f6{0}
18. Re1-e3{76} Nb8-d7{0}
19. Qd1-e2{234} Nd7-e5{0}
20. Re3-e5{64} d6-e5{0}
21. Qe2-e5{58} Bc8-d7{0}
22. Ra1-e1{66} e7-e6{0}
23. d5-e6{180} Bd7-c8{0}
24. e6-e7{94} Bc8-f5{0}
25. Qe7-d8{Q}{34} Ra8-d8{0}
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
wlod: (White)
baby: (Black)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM33835&game=Chess

In this game again Wlod sacrificed his Rook for a Knight+Pawn.
20 Rxe5

After that Wlod advanced his pawn which threathened the Queen and
there was a Mate Trap So GetClub Resigned.

Since Wlod was thinking 106 sec / move on average and Baby was playing
in 0.3 sec / move This game is not Balance.

Wlod should play with Easy Level which thinks for 60 sec / move Then
Both GetClub and Wlod will be in equal terms.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Date: 12 Dec 2008 02:05:16
From: Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod)
Subject: Re: Best game by Wlod.

On Dec 12, 2:00 am, "Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod)"
<[email protected] > wrote:
> [...] I wanted to get it done.

GetClub again stopped the game abruptly, when
it was lost and about to be checkmated.

And after the game, GetClub demands
that you close the window!

Strange.

Wlod

Date: 13 Dec 2008 12:23:45
From: Kenneth Sloan
Subject: Re: Best game by Wlod.

Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod) wrote:
> On Dec 12, 2:00 am, "Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod)"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> [...] I wanted to get it done.
>
> GetClub again stopped the game abruptly, when
> it was lost and about to be checkmated.
>
> And after the game, GetClub demands
> that you close the window!
>
> Strange.
>
> Wlod

Better is to close the window BEFORE the game.

--
Kenneth Sloan [email protected]
Computer and Information Sciences +1-205-932-2213
University of Alabama at Birmingham FAX +1-205-934-5473
Birmingham, AL 35294-1170 http://KennethRSloan.com/

Date: 12 Dec 2008 02:00:16
From: Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod)
Subject: Re: Best game by Wlod.

On Dec 12, 1:07 am, "Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod)"
<[email protected] > wrote:
>
> Suddenly I see that GetClub made 2 (silly :-) moves.

I meant that instead of showing me one move at the time
it kept one move secret and showed two of them at once.

> And things are sloooow. I don't know if I will
> finish this game.

I am conditioned to finish games. It's hard
to break old habits, even when sticking to
them is irrational. Under the circumstances
I couldn't play well (even relative to my
own strength) but GetClub, despite making
conditions nearly impossible for me, still
had no chance because it does not know
anything about chess, at least at the "baby
level". GetClub instead of 2 sec was taking
a long time on each move. Once I accepted the
lack of feedback, which would show that my
move was accepted, I played without any tension.
GetClub was slooooooow, it was no fun, my eyes
hurt, but otherwise it was an irrelevant
experience. The unpleasant thing was that
I was afraid to switch to other tags/windows,
e.g. to rgcm, because it would cause another
disruption of the game, and I wanted to
get it done.

This poor design is beyond me. I played on
a number of servers, and I never saw anything
even remotely so hopeless.

Sanny, I remember that even ten years ago
there were strong programs on ICC, which
were taking ZERO seconds for the whole game.
And those programs were dumbed down on purpose
and still they were quite strong. They had
different styles. Some were purely tactical
and very fast, other imitated humans. They
played without an opening book, some played
ugly openings on purpose, and they were
still strong. Try ICC for a week, for free,
and see it for yourself.

Regards,

Wlod
in the game.

Date: 12 Dec 2008 01:07:19
From: Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod)
Subject: Re: Best game by Wlod.

On Dec 11, 4:42 pm, help bot <[email protected] > wrote:

>
> I'm not sure why Mr. Wlod would accuse
> GetClub of having awful graphics for the
> chessboard.

I am playing a game right now :-)
I make a move and get no feedback.
Or a piece shows on the board twice,
on the old square AND on the new square,
or somewhere in between, off the center
of a square. In this game, as the result
of all this, somehow GetClub considered my
attempts at a move as two moves forth and back
to the original square: Bf1-e2-f1. Suddenly I see
that GetClub made 2 (silly :-) moves. And things
are sloooow. I don't know if I will finish this game.

Regards,

Wlod

Date: 12 Dec 2008 00:49:40
From: Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod)
Subject: Re: Best game by Wlod.

On Dec 11, 6:40 pm, MeaningWhat <[email protected] > wrote:

> Dude, this is sooo fragged. Your most famous game..
> you practically owe it everybody here to send one of your more
> satisfying gaming experiences.

Dude, I have posted a couple of my games
on rgc* in the past. I mostly lose scores
of my games, including the best of mine,
while I still have some, a random subset.
Here is one, played on ICC. Most likely
my opponent was a computer program--it made
each of its first three moves in 0 seconds.
I don't think that I ever made a move on
Internet in sec. or extremely rarely.

I really won this game quite early, and the rest
of the game was just a dutiful finishing off my
opponent i a won position. Perhaps it's not exciting
to you, dude. Later I may find something more
interesting but perhaps there is no real interest in
the games of low rated amateurs like me. Of course
the ratings in the header of the game are ICC ratings.
On ICC one would get several ratings, one for each
category of the game.

Regards, dude,

Wlod

*********************************

obcy (1829) vs. Trueno (1976) --- 2004.07.25 07:54:26
Rated Standard match, initial time: 15 minutes, increment: 0 seconds

1. e4 (0:02) e6 (0:00)
2. d4 (0:03) d5 (0:00)
3. Nc3 (0:04) Bb4 (0:00)
4. e5 (0:04) Bxc3+ (0:23)
5. bxc3 (0:03) Ne7 (0:25)
6. Qg4 (0:06) O-O (0:28)
7. Bd3 (0:21) Bd7 (0:23)
8. Bg5 (0:05) Nbc6 (0:24)
9. Qh4 (0:24) h6 (0:20)
10. Nf3 (0:25) Re8 (0:23)
11. Bxh6 (0:20) gxh6 (0:18)
12. Qxh6 (0:04) Nf5 (0:20)
13. Bxf5 (0:09) exf5 (0:20)
14. Ng5 (0:05) Nxe5 (0:17)
15. dxe5 (0:34) Rxe5+ (0:16)
16. Kd2 (0:01) Be6 (0:19)
17. Qh7+ (0:22) Kf8 (0:19)
18. Qh8+ (0:06) Ke7 (0:20)
19. Qxe5 (0:08) Kd7 (0:17)
20. Nxe6 (0:39) fxe6 (0:17)
21. Qg7+ (0:08) Kd6 (0:15)
22. h4 (0:02) Qg8 (0:15)
23. Qxg8 (0:05) Rxg8 (0:15)
24. Rag1 (0:13) e5 (0:14)
25. h5 (0:02) Rh8 (0:17)
26. h6 (0:02) Rh7 (0:15)
27. g4 (0:02) fxg4 (0:13)
28. Rxg4 (0:03) Ke7 (0:14)
29. Rg7+ (0:14) Rxg7 (0:15)
30. hxg7 (0:02) Kf7 (0:10)
31. Rg1 (0:01) Kg8 (0:13)
32. Ke3 (0:14) c6 (0:15)
33. c4 (0:08) b6 (0:18)
34. cxd5 (0:10) cxd5 (0:10)
35. c3 (0:08) b5 (0:11)
36. Rg5 (0:03) a5 (0:10)
37. Rxe5 (0:02) Kxg7 (0:10)
38. Rxd5 (0:01) b4 (0:10)
39. Rxa5 (0:34) bxc3 (0:12)
40. Kd3 (0:04) Kf6 (0:10)
41. Kxc3 (0:02) Ke7 (0:10)
42. Rd5 (0:05) Kf6 (0:08)
43. a4 (0:04) Ke7 (0:10)
44. a5 (0:02) Ke6 (0:08)
45. Kc4 (0:02) Kf7 (0:09)
46. a6 (0:05) Ke6 (0:00)
47. a7 (0:02) Kf7 (0:00)
48. a8=Q (0:02) Ke7 (0:00)
49. Qc6 (0:05) Kf8 (0:00)
50. Rd7 (0:03) Kg8 (0:00)
51. Qc8# (0:03)
{Black checkmated} 1-0

Date: 12 Dec 2008 00:19:48
From: Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod)
Subject: Re: Best game by Wlod.

On Dec 11, 9:24 pm, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:

> you should analyze your moves carefully
> on the "Big Board".
>
> You can find "Big Board" Button on side of "Flip" Button.
>
> Bye
> Sanny
>
> Play Chess at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Why the necessity of 2 boards instead of one?

Also, is there any feedback telling the user that
her/his move is accepted? I didn't see any, so
I tried to make the same move more than once, and
the board was getting messy. Some mishap has happened
during the game, some nonsense.

Sanny, thank you for your responsiveness :-)

Wlod

Date: 11 Dec 2008 21:24:51
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Best game by Wlod.

On Dec 12, 4:45=A0am, "Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod)"
<[email protected] > wrote:
> On Dec 11, 3:29 am, Offramp <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > The game in proper pgn style.
>
> How ironic. Despite my low rating I played some good
> games during my chess life, and it has to be this one
> which has received the most public attention. The
> GetClub interface is awful. One cannot even adjust
> the size of the board (I need a large board to see
> tactics).

You can choose : Big Board to analyze a position. Click the Button
"Big Board" After analysing your move, then you can play your move in
small board.

I just tried to get to GetClub again.
> It froze my Mac for a while, then suddenly a position
> popped on the scree, out of context. I didn't know what
> this was about. Then I looked at the position. Oh, it
> was from the previous game between GetClub and me
> which GetClub rudely broke. So, I guess, I should
> play it now. I tried my best, my most patient. I see
> pieces replicated, I have no idea whether or not GetClub
> has accepted my move, and strange things are happening
> on the board.

There was a Old game I have now removed that game. Now you can start a
new game without any trouble.

I suggest you play with Beginner & Easy Levels and think a lot on each
move so that you do not do any blunder. And also since Beginner & Easy
plays very strong you should analyze your moves carefully on the "Big
Board".

You can find "Big Board" Button on side of "Flip" Button.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Date: 11 Dec 2008 16:42:58
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Best game by Wlod.

On Dec 11, 6:45=A0pm, "Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod)"
<[email protected] > wrote:

> The GetClub interface is awful. One cannot even adjust
> the size of the board (I need a large board to see
> tactics).

Some time ago, I was encouraged to try out the
Jester program, to compare against Sanny's
GetClub. I noted that Jester:

1) Had no Web site problems, unlike GC;

2) Was both stronger and faster than GC;

3) Had awful graphics, which affected the
quality of my play significantly.

I'm not sure why Mr. Wlod would accuse
GetClub of having awful graphics for the
chessboard. I personally believe they were
"lifted", shall I say, from one of the better
commercial programs.

His Web site is a mess, however, and I so
often get disconnected in mid-game that I no
longer get angry, but just accept this as an
inescapeable /fact of life/-- like death, taxes,
or the French Defense being, of course,
unsound.

Consider the free GUI (graphic user inter-
face) called Arena. Powerful and good-
looking, it still has a very annoying flaw in
that you cannot move pieces if the square
or cursor-box has inadvertently been left
on any square other than the one you are
attempting to move a man from.

Or consider the old Fritz GUI; it was so
bad that ultimately, the help FAQs directed
users to select "blunder-check" if they
wanted to do a deep analysis, and to select
the alternate option if they wished to merely
check for blunders! Incredible, but true.

As you can see, Sanny now has placed
advertisements on his site in an effort to
make some money, and there are multiple
screens which must be navigated in order
to play a game of chess. Each of these
screens is complex, and loaded up with
extraneous fluff. Such is life.

-- help bot

Date: 11 Dec 2008 15:45:59
From: Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod)
Subject: Re: Best game by Wlod.

On Dec 11, 3:29 am, Offramp <[email protected] > wrote:
> The game in proper pgn style.

How ironic. Despite my low rating I played some good
games during my chess life, and it has to be this one
which has received the most public attention. The
GetClub interface is awful. One cannot even adjust
the size of the board (I need a large board to see
tactics). I just tried to get to GetClub again.
It froze my Mac for a while, then suddenly a position
popped on the scree, out of context. I didn't know what
this was about. Then I looked at the position. Oh, it
was from the previous game between GetClub and me
which GetClub rudely broke. So, I guess, I should
play it now. I tried my best, my most patient. I see
pieces replicated, I have no idea whether or not GetClub
has accepted my move, and strange things are happening
on the board. Occasionally it looks like GetClub makes
a move. The whole scene is a mess. Finally I have enough
of this idiotism. I wonder why did I bother in the first
place. It's psychological, it has something to do with
being nice. Sanny is here, one of the fellow participants,
hence I kind of feel oblidged to try, to giv3e him a break.
So, despite so many places where one can play chess smoothly,
with pleasure and satisfaction, I play a masochist and try
GetClub. But I am not a masochist, and I won't be tempted
by GetClub anymore, my rgcm loyalty would be displaced :-)

I thought about commenting on the comments
but it seems to me that there are some typos
in your pgn, and they slowed me down. Perhaps
I'll come back later at a better time.

After slip of mouse It was hard to
force myself to continue the game.
From the frustration I couldn't
see much for a while.

Thank you for comments, regards,

Wlodek

Date: 12 Dec 2008 03:40:17
From: MeaningWhat
Subject: Re: Best game by Wlod.

Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod) schrieb:
> On Dec 11, 3:29 am, Offramp <[email protected]> wrote:
>> The game in proper pgn style.
>
> How ironic. Despite my low rating I played some good
> games during my chess life, and it has to be this one
> which has received the most public attention.
Dude, this is sooo fragged. Your most famous game..
you practically owe it everybody here to send one of your more
satisfying gaming experiences.

The
> GetClub interface is awful. One cannot even adjust
> the size of the board (I need a large board to see
> tactics). I just tried to get to GetClub again.
> It froze my Mac for a while, then suddenly a position
> popped on the scree, out of context. I didn't know what
> this was about. Then I looked at the position. Oh, it
> was from the previous game between GetClub and me
> which GetClub rudely broke. So, I guess, I should
> play it now. I tried my best, my most patient. I see
> pieces replicated, I have no idea whether or not GetClub
> has accepted my move, and strange things are happening
> on the board. Occasionally it looks like GetClub makes
> a move. The whole scene is a mess. Finally I have enough
> of this idiotism. I wonder why did I bother in the first
> place. It's psychological, it has something to do with
> being nice. Sanny is here, one of the fellow participants,
> hence I kind of feel oblidged to try, to giv3e him a break.
> So, despite so many places where one can play chess smoothly,
> with pleasure and satisfaction, I play a masochist and try
> GetClub. But I am not a masochist, and I won't be tempted
> by GetClub anymore, my rgcm loyalty would be displaced :-)
>
> I thought about commenting on the comments
> but it seems to me that there are some typos
> in your pgn, and they slowed me down. Perhaps
> I'll come back later at a better time.
>
> After slip of mouse It was hard to
> force myself to continue the game.
> From the frustration I couldn't
> see much for a while.
>
> Thank you for comments, regards,
>
> Wlodek

Date: 12 Dec 2008 03:39:50
From: MeaningWhat
Subject: Re: Best game by Wlod.

Date: 11 Dec 2008 05:52:59
From:
Subject: Re: Best game by Wlod.

On Dec 11, 4:29=A0pm, Offramp <[email protected] > wrote:
> The game in proper pgn style.
>
> [Event "Getclub"]
> [Site "Getclub"]
> [Date "2008.12.08"]
> [Round "?"]
> [White "Holsztynski , Wlodzimierz"]
> [Black "Getclub, Baby level"]
> [Result "1-0"]
> [ECO "C30"]
> [Annotator ",Offramp"]
> [PlyCount "52"]
> [EventDate "2008.11.08"]
> [EventType "game"]
> [EventCountry "USA"]
> [SourceDate "2008.12.11"]
>
> 1. e4 e5 2. f4 {A clarion call} Bc5 {Black should take the pawn. In my
> experience he keeps the pawn and has the initiative} 3. Nf3 d6 4. c3
> Bb6 5. d4 Nf6 6. Bd3 d5 {When you are behind in development you should
> not open up the centre} 7. exd5 exf4 (7... e4 8. Qe2 Qe7 9. Bb5+ c6
> 10. d6 Qxd6 11. Bc4 O-O 12. Ne5 {looks good for white}) 8. O-O Nxd5 9.
> Re1+ Kf8 10. c4 Nf6 11. Bxf4 {White is winning} Qd7 {Why block in the
> bishop?} 12. Kh1 ({Surely} 12. Nc3 {is better?} Bxd4+ 13. Nxd4 Qxd4+
> 14. Be3 Qd6 15. Nb5 {and black looks in serious trouble}) 12... Bxd4
> 13. Nxd4 Qxd4 {This looks risky but there doesn't seem to be a
> knockout blow} 14. Be5 Qd8 15. Nc3 Nfd7 {A very bad move. There is
> just nothing right about it.} 16. Bxg7+ {Good one!} Kxg7 17. Qg4+ Kf8
> 18. Qh5 ({My very first thought was} 18. Nd5 {but} Rg8 (18... Nc5 19.
> Qd4) 19. Qf4 Nc6 {seems okay}) 18... Nb6 {Taking this defensive piece
> as far away as it can go. Black now has just a king and a rook on the
> whole 32 squares of the k-side} (18... Rg8 {was best}) 19. Qh6+ Kg8
> 20. Re4 {Oh dear. This move is so illogical that I think it must have
> been mouse slip. It is easy to do; he dropped the rook one square too
> far.} (20. Re3 {wins immediately}) 20... Bf5 21. Nd5 ({With} 21. Rf1
> Bxe4 22. Nxe4 {white would still be winning}) 21... Nxd5 {Now,
> amazingly, black is on top!} 22. cxd5 Bxe4 23. Bxe4 Qd7 {This move,
> which has no meaning, seems to be the only one which does not give
> black a large advantage. The knight needs access to d7. Also the black
> queen should avoid white squares. White's only hopes lie in placing a
> rook on e8 or g3} 24. Re1 Qb5 25. b3 {Gah! He takes time out to rescue
> the b-pawn! Now black can draw} (25. Bd3 Qd7 26. Re3 {wins}) 25... Qc5
> (25... Nd7 26. Qg5+ Kf8 27. Qh6+ Kg8 {=3D}) (25... Qd7 {??} 26. Re3
> {wins}) 26. Bxh7+ {Yes! Humans rule!} Rxh7 1-0

Good analysis.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Date: 11 Dec 2008 03:29:55
From: Offramp
Subject: Re: Best game by Wlod.

The game in proper pgn style.

[Event "Getclub"]
[Site "Getclub"]
[Date "2008.12.08"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Holsztynski , Wlodzimierz"]
[Black "Getclub, Baby level"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "C30"]
[Annotator ",Offramp"]
[PlyCount "52"]
[EventDate "2008.11.08"]
[EventType "game"]
[EventCountry "USA"]
[SourceDate "2008.12.11"]

1. e4 e5 2. f4 {A clarion call} Bc5 {Black should take the pawn. In my
experience he keeps the pawn and has the initiative} 3. Nf3 d6 4. c3
Bb6 5. d4 Nf6 6. Bd3 d5 {When you are behind in development you should
not open up the centre} 7. exd5 exf4 (7... e4 8. Qe2 Qe7 9. Bb5+ c6
10. d6 Qxd6 11. Bc4 O-O 12. Ne5 {looks good for white}) 8. O-O Nxd5 9.
Re1+ Kf8 10. c4 Nf6 11. Bxf4 {White is winning} Qd7 {Why block in the
bishop?} 12. Kh1 ({Surely} 12. Nc3 {is better?} Bxd4+ 13. Nxd4 Qxd4+
14. Be3 Qd6 15. Nb5 {and black looks in serious trouble}) 12... Bxd4
13. Nxd4 Qxd4 {This looks risky but there doesn't seem to be a
knockout blow} 14. Be5 Qd8 15. Nc3 Nfd7 {A very bad move. There is
just nothing right about it.} 16. Bxg7+ {Good one!} Kxg7 17. Qg4+ Kf8
18. Qh5 ({My very first thought was} 18. Nd5 {but} Rg8 (18... Nc5 19.
Qd4) 19. Qf4 Nc6 {seems okay}) 18... Nb6 {Taking this defensive piece
as far away as it can go. Black now has just a king and a rook on the
whole 32 squares of the k-side} (18... Rg8 {was best}) 19. Qh6+ Kg8
20. Re4 {Oh dear. This move is so illogical that I think it must have
been mouse slip. It is easy to do; he dropped the rook one square too
far.} (20. Re3 {wins immediately}) 20... Bf5 21. Nd5 ({With} 21. Rf1
Bxe4 22. Nxe4 {white would still be winning}) 21... Nxd5 {Now,
amazingly, black is on top!} 22. cxd5 Bxe4 23. Bxe4 Qd7 {This move,
which has no meaning, seems to be the only one which does not give
black a large advantage. The knight needs access to d7. Also the black
queen should avoid white squares. White's only hopes lie in placing a
rook on e8 or g3} 24. Re1 Qb5 25. b3 {Gah! He takes time out to rescue
the b-pawn! Now black can draw} (25. Bd3 Qd7 26. Re3 {wins}) 25... Qc5
(25... Nd7 26. Qg5+ Kf8 27. Qh6+ Kg8 {=}) (25... Qd7 {??} 26. Re3
{wins}) 26. Bxh7+ {Yes! Humans rule!} Rxh7 1-0

Date: 10 Dec 2008 21:44:54
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Best game by Wlod... er, not

> =A0 Sanny, your Baby level is simply not
> good enough to play decent chess, at
> two seconds per move. =A0 Better to look
> over some of GetClub's better games--
> likely its games on Advance or Master
> level. =A0 Unfortunately, few players will
> have the patience to endure such
> levels.

You skipped the Beginner & Easy Levels which play in 10-20 sec / move
and 40-60 sec / move respectively.

Playing Easy Level is very difficult and it plays in 1 min / move.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Date: 10 Dec 2008 19:55:34
From: help bot
Subject: Best game by Wlod... er, not

On Dec 10, 11:30=A0am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:

> Wlod played with Baby level. It was a game of huge sacrifices.
>
> At First wlod gave a pawn sacrifice on move 8.

In this kind of position, it is a mistake to take
the f4 pawn with the intention of trying to hold
onto it. Obviously, Black ought to have tried
7. ...e4 instead.

> On move 15th Wlod gave sacrifice of its Bishop for a pawn.
>
> Now GetClub was a pawn up.

It was on move sixteen that White needlessly
sacrificed his Bishop for a couple of spite-
checks (what fun).

> On move 21 Wlod sacrifice his Rook for Bishop.
>
> Now GetClub was up by a Rook.

That was not a sacrifice; it was a hang.
Why weak players have so much trouble
distinguishing these things escapes me.

> Then on 26th move Wlod found Mate.

This much is correct.

--

White generally had the better of it up to
move eighteen, when Black found the
horrific move ...Nb6.

Then, as Mr. Wlod explained, White let
slip his Rook on the wrong square, and
after the subsequent errors, 21. Nd5 and
22. cxd5, Black was simply winning.

However, there followed -- for the
second time -- the awful ...Qd7, and the
worse still ...Qb5 (which loses outright to
the obvious move, Bd3). Mr. Wlod erred
again with the silly move p-b3, and Black
was, miraculously, back in the game.

Unfortunately, the GetClub program is
steadfast in its refusal to develop more
than one or two pieces, so we saw yet
another senseless Queen move,
resulting in an obvious back-rank mate.

Sanny, your Baby level is simply not
good enough to play decent chess, at
two seconds per move. Better to look
over some of GetClub's better games--
likely its games on Advance or Master
level. Unfortunately, few players will
have the patience to endure such
levels.

-- help bot

Date: 10 Dec 2008 10:45:40
From: Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod)
Subject: Re: Best game by Wlod.

On Dec 10, 8:30 am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:

The title of Sanny's post is silly, and the game
was silly. I am sooo rusty, it was my first game
in a long time. After difficulties with the GetClub
interface, and after 4am it was just foolish to
play. GetClub played some meaningless moves so I was
in good shape. Then I overshot my move, I meant
20.Re3, but of course, but somehow I clicked off (?)
and got my rook on e4. A few moves later, when I
was about to checkmate the GetClub it broke the game,
which is quite unpleasant. I didn't know what to think
about GetClub manners. It did the same in the next game!
Suddenly the game is over.

> Wlod played with Baby level. It was a game of huge sacrifices.
>
> At First wlod gave a pawn sacrifice on move 8.
>
> On move 15th Wlod gave sacrifice of its Bishop for a pawn.
>
> Now GetClub was a pawn up.
>
> On move 21 Wlod sacrifice his Rook for Bishop.

:-) As I have mentioned, it was
a result of frustration. I meant 20.Re3. Then
perhaps 21.Rae1 22.Rg3 mate, that was the threat
and something along this line was supposed to happen.

> Now GetClub was up by a Rook.
>
> Then on 26th move Wlod found Mate. It was a quick win by sacrificing a
> Rook.
>
> Game Played between wlod and baby at GetClub.com

Sunny, it's not a big deal, it's ok that you have posted
my foolish game but it would be still nice if you asked
me first in private. I was way too sleepy to say more
about the game except to repeat that while I more or
less was routinely developing my pieces, GetClub made
a couple of moves which to me had no meaning. In King's
Gambit it is not advisable to play like this, each
moves counts, as I learned by losing some tournament
games with KG (while overall I had a plus score I think).

Regards,

Wlod

> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> wlod: (White)
> baby: (Black)
> Game Played at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
> View Recorded Game:http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM33403&game=Chess
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> White -- Black
> (wlod) -- (baby)
>
> 1. e2-e4{12} e7-e5{0}
> 2. f2-f4{4} Bf8-c5{0}
> 3. Ng1-f3{4} d7-d6{0}
> 4. c2-c3{4} Bc5-b6{0}
> 5. d2-d4{2} Ng8-f6{2}
> 6. Bf1-d3{8} d6-d5{0}
> 7. e4-d5{12} e5-f4{2}
> 8. Ke1-g1{6} Nf6-d5{2}
> 9. Rf1-e1{6} Ke8-f8{4}
> 10. c3-c4{10} Nd5-f6{2}
> 11. Bc1-f4{18} Qd8-d7{2}
> 12. Kg1-h1{10} Bb6-d4{2}
> 13. Nf3-d4{12} Qd7-d4{0}
> 14. Bf4-e5{8} Qd4-d8{2}
> 15. Nb1-c3{10} Nf6-d7{0}
> 16. Be5-g7{26} Kf8-g7{2}
> 17. Qd1-g4{4} Kg7-f8{2}
> 18. Qg4-h5{14} Nd7-b6{2}
> 19. Qh5-h6{6} Kf8-g8{2}
> 20. Re1-e4{14} Bc8-f5{2}
> 21. Nc3-d5{46} Nb6-d5{2}
> 22. c4-d5{8} Bf5-e4{0}
> 23. Bd3-e4{4} Qd8-d7{2}
> 24. Ra1-e1{18} Qd7-b5{2}
> 25. b2-b3{12} Qb5-c5{0}
> 26. Be4-h7{22} Rh8-h7{0}
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> wlod: (White)
> baby: (Black)
> Game Played at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
> View Recorded Game:http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM33403&game=Chess
>
> Well Played. Was this win due to good luck or you really gave these
> sacrifices and win in just 26 moves.
>
> Bye
> Sanny
>
> Play Chess at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Date: 10 Dec 2008 10:23:31
From: None
Subject: Re: Best game by Wlod.

On Dec 10, 1:18=A0pm, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:
> > Have you ever considered analyzing your stupid engine's games with
> > another program that actually plays good chess? If so, you might have
> > been able to discover for yourself that Baby walked into a Mate in 3
> > in a drawish position.
>
> Baby thinks for just 2 sec / move so may be it missed that move.
>
> Beginner & Easy Levels would have played better game.
>
> Bye
> Sanny
>
> Play Chess =A0at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Spammmmmmerrrrrrrr

Date: 10 Dec 2008 10:18:08
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Best game by Wlod.

> Have you ever considered analyzing your stupid engine's games with
> another program that actually plays good chess? If so, you might have
> been able to discover for yourself that Baby walked into a Mate in 3
> in a drawish position.

Baby thinks for just 2 sec / move so may be it missed that move.

Beginner & Easy Levels would have played better game.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Date: 10 Dec 2008 10:14:26
From:
Subject: Re: Best game by Wlod.

On Dec 10, 8:30=A0am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:
> Was this win due to good luck or you really gave these
> sacrifices and win in just 26 moves.

Have you ever considered analyzing your stupid engine's games with
another program that actually plays good chess? If so, you might have
been able to discover for yourself that Baby walked into a Mate in 3
in a drawish position.

Damn, Sanny, you're hopeless.

jm

Date: 10 Dec 2008 17:52:46
From: Stephan Bird
Subject: Re: Best game by Wlod.

On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:30:59 -0800 in
[email protected], Sanny
<[email protected] > wrote:

> Wlod played with Baby level. It was a game of huge sacrifices.
>
> At First wlod gave a pawn sacrifice on move 8.
>
> On move 15th Wlod gave sacrifice of its Bishop for a pawn.
>
> Now GetClub was a pawn up.
>
> On move 21 Wlod sacrifice his Rook for Bishop.
>
> Now GetClub was up by a Rook.

I thought you said in <1b4a5e10-76e2-4821-b00a-
[email protected] > that you were not a slave to the
pawn=1, bishop; knight=3; rook=5; queen=9 mentality and not thinking that just
because you have material equality that the game is equal.

Or is this a re-introduced bug?

Stephan

--
Stephan Bird MChem(Hons) AMRSC
[email protected]
Currently in Macclesfield, Cheshire