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Date: 22 Mar 2008 22:49:57
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Subject: Anyone know anyone who sells chess variant pieces?
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Hey, anyone have a lead on this? I would like to get pieces of the
Capablanca chess variety (Knight-Rook, Knight-Bishop), but my search
on the web has come up empty. Anyone have any possible leads here on
this?
Thanks...
- Rich
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Date: 06 Apr 2008 12:13:10
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Subject: Re: Anyone know anyone who sells chess variant pieces?
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On Apr 6, 12:18 pm, Quadibloc <[email protected] > wrote:
> On 23, 12:49 am, [email protected] wrote:
>
> > Hey, anyone have a lead on this? I would like to get pieces of the
> > Capablanca chess variety (Knight-Rook, Knight-Bishop), but my search
> > on the web has come up empty. Anyone have any possible leads here on
> > this?
>
> I found *this* link:
>
> http://houseofstaunton.com/Store/product_name=The+Seirawan+Chess+Plas...
>
> which also explains why Yasir Seirawan chose new names for the
> Princess and Empress, calling them the Elephant and the Hawk. He
> wanted something that he could tradek and license to these people.
>
> John Savard
Part of my wondering about variant pieces, is that, in conversations
with the Seirawan group, they only want their pieces to be used with
his game, not adopted anywhere else. This ends up leaving the chess
variant community left hanging, and why I was asking this question. I
do wish the Seirawan group well, and hope their game gets a
following. IAGO, etc... will still press on here, and my quest to get
variant pieces for the community use (generic) will still be sought
out. As of this point Seirawan chess, unfortunately, won't be having
anything to do with IAGO, despite my desire otherwise.
As a temporary solution, I will be using PlunderChess pieces for this
purpose. The designer of the game doesn't mind them being uses as
Capablanca style pieces. I am going to see if I can find some other
option for this. If I find an answer I will post it here.
- Rich
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Date: 06 Apr 2008 09:18:17
From: Quadibloc
Subject: Re: Anyone know anyone who sells chess variant pieces?
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On 23, 12:49 am, [email protected] wrote:
> Hey, anyone have a lead on this? I would like to get pieces of the
> Capablanca chess variety (Knight-Rook, Knight-Bishop), but my search
> on the web has come up empty. Anyone have any possible leads here on
> this?
I found *this* link:
http://houseofstaunton.com/Store/product_name=The+Seirawan+Chess+Plastic+Tournament+Chessmen+-+3.75+inch+King+Height+/exact_match=exact
which also explains why Yasir Seirawan chose new names for the
Princess and Empress, calling them the Elephant and the Hawk. He
wanted something that he could tradek and license to these people.
John Savard
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Date: 29 Mar 2008 13:01:44
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Subject: Re: Anyone know anyone who sells chess variant pieces?
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On 29, 4:48 am, "Rob Bakker" <[email protected] >
wrote:
> Richard,
>
> Did you look at this site?http://www.superchess.nl/indexengels.htm
>
> A Dutch based guy, with a serious chess variant who also created the pieces
> in wood for the concepts he designed.
I ran into that. It looks like a good mix of pieces. However, he may
object strongly to people using his pieces for other variants. Also,
my feeling is the pieces make for a decent secondary set of pieces, or
mapping to the modern variety, but as priy pieces, they look too
abstract. I did happen to email them, asking them questions, but they
haven't gotten back to me.
What I find is that the approach most people take with variants isn't
favorable to their growth and promotion, but set up to maximize the
revenues generated from a very small pool. The risk-reward ratio is
often too high for people to consider getting serious about anyone
variant, let alone spending money on it. If it isn't for the money,
it is for the TIME issues. As a result, I believe if there can be a
generic and universal version of pieces that the community of players
of chess and variants can adapt, and use, in a lot of different ways
(decouple the pieces from the rules), it might provide a chance for
them to catch on, and a ket get created for the pieces.
- Rich
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Date: 29 Mar 2008 09:48:08
From: Rob Bakker
Subject: Re: Anyone know anyone who sells chess variant pieces?
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Richard,
Did you look at this site?
http://www.superchess.nl/indexengels.htm
A Dutch based guy, with a serious chess variant who also created the pieces
in wood for the concepts he designed.
<[email protected] > schreef in bericht
news:cea6fcff-770d-4fc0-9a49-0d717160b5b1@d62g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> Hey, anyone have a lead on this? I would like to get pieces of the
> Capablanca chess variety (Knight-Rook, Knight-Bishop), but my search
> on the web has come up empty. Anyone have any possible leads here on
> this?
>
> Thanks...
> - Rich
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Date: 24 Mar 2008 19:01:37
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Subject: Re: Anyone know anyone who sells chess variant pieces?
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On 23, 11:41 am, [email protected] wrote:
> On 23, 11:03 am, [email protected] wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 23, 8:21 am, [email protected] wrote:
>
> > > On 23, 1:49 am, [email protected] wrote:
>
> > > > Hey, anyone have a lead on this? I would like to get pieces of the
> > > > Capablanca chess variety (Knight-Rook, Knight-Bishop), but my search
> > > > on the web has come up empty. Anyone have any possible leads here on
> > > > this?
>
> > > > Thanks...
> > > > - Rich
>
> > > Rich,
>
> > > Capablanca pieces are used in Christian Freeling's chess variant
> > > "Grand Chess," where they are called the shal and the Cardinal. I
> > > don't have a Grand Chess set myself, but I believe they are still sold
> > > on Freeling's website. The physical representation of the Capablanca
> > > pieces is somewhat crude (horses with things growing out of their
> > > heads), but Grand Chess as a chess variant is excellent --- the key is
> > > the back row, which is empty except for the rooks, allowing for much
> > > more freedom in setting up defense and attack.
>
> > > Steve
>
> > Do you have a link to the specific purchase page? I found his site:http://mindsports.nl/index-mindsports.html
>
> > But I don't see a store on there.
>
> > Also I am in the United States. I would like to be able to order them
> > and have lower cost shipping. I would like to get them to experiment
> > with an 8x8 version of Freeling's game, and also a version of
> > Capablanca that uses gating to get the Cap pieces on the board. In
> > addition, I have another one more standard I am working on, based on
> > the same gating concept to I would like to try out. I might look to
> > also code it up in Zillions, but need to figure out how to do gating.
> > Fairly soon, I will be getting the IAGO Chess rules up on the variant
> > site. I am doing final tweaks.
>
> > - Rich- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Rich,
>
> Click on the box that says "Grand Chess Hex Dame Boards and Sets."
> The sets are way out of my price range but they do look nice.
>
> I would caution against an 8x8 variant of the game. Freeling's 10x10
> board greatly increases piece maneuverability and alleviates the
> staleness that tends to haunt the opening in chess-type games.
>
> What is "gating," by the way? Is that some special method of entering
> chess pieces onto the board?
>
> Steve
By the way, IAGO Chess rules can be found here:
http://www.chessvariants.org/index/msdisplay.php?itemid=MSiagochesssyste
- Rich
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Date: 23 Mar 2008 13:45:16
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Subject: Re: Anyone know anyone who sells chess variant pieces?
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On 23, 11:41 am, [email protected] wrote:
> Rich,
>
> Click on the box that says "Grand Chess Hex Dame Boards and Sets."
> The sets are way out of my price range but they do look nice.
Ok, I did see it. I wonder if there is a way in the USA to get it. I
didn't see exactly where to click, but I see the pieces.
> I would caution against an 8x8 variant of the game. Freeling's 10x10
> board greatly increases piece maneuverability and alleviates the
> staleness that tends to haunt the opening in chess-type games.
I will explain how gating works below (it is a concept that is seen).
The way it works in an opening it makes the opening not fixed.
> What is "gating," by the way? Is that some special method of entering
> chess pieces onto the board?
Gating is a specialized version of a drop, that is a way t get new
pieces on the board, from a non-fixed position. The difference
between a drop (Shogi style, placing pieces on a board in a zone) and
gating, is that gating is connected to pieces on the board by some
rules specific to the game. Pawn promotion would be a form of
gating. In this, the pawn is taken off the board, and a promote piece
is added.
Besides promotion, multiple chess variants in the past have used
gating in different ways. One starts with a chess knight that can
leave behind a piece on a space it vacated.
In 2007, Seirawan and Harper, thinking what to do to make chess
exciting again, used gating as a way to get pieces on the board in the
start of the game. They have a NR and a NB piece off the board. As a
piece in the back row moves out, a player can bring either the NR and
the NB into the game. The end result is a very wide open book, and a
game that is more dynamic. This approach can be used to bring other
pieces into chess. They don't call it gating though. It is just part
of their game. To be able to have it recognized as a new move type
for IAGO, it was called gating. When gating is referred to, the
version Seirawan and Harper use, is what is meant.
So, with gating, you not only get the new Capablanca pieces and a way
to a non-fixed opening. You also have a way to even add different
pieces later, or change the number of pieces off the board.
What is going on with IAGO is that the initial conversations with the
Seirawan chess people had been negative. They don't want the game
involved with IAGO (in form of IAGO World Tour) and don't want their
game changed in any way. They also have little regard for the variant
community (their changing the name and look away from the traditional
Capablanca and Grand Chess look and names is proof of this), so IAGO
has been looking for alternate way to use gating. The IAGO rules, as
a result, are sufficiently different from Seirawan Chess, and also set
up to be an evolving game of chess that can continue to change and
adapt. I will be looking, fairly soon, to get the rules up for IAGO
Chess on the chessvariants website for discussion.
- Rich
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Date: 23 Mar 2008 08:41:29
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Subject: Re: Anyone know anyone who sells chess variant pieces?
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On 23, 11:03=A0am, [email protected] wrote:
> On 23, 8:21 am, [email protected] wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 23, 1:49 am, [email protected] wrote:
>
> > > Hey, anyone have a lead on this? I would like to get pieces of the
> > > Capablanca chess variety (Knight-Rook, Knight-Bishop), but my search
> > > on the web has come up empty. Anyone have any possible leads here on
> > > this?
>
> > > Thanks...
> > > - Rich
>
> > Rich,
>
> > Capablanca pieces are used in Christian Freeling's chess variant
> > "Grand Chess," where they are called the shal and the Cardinal. =A0I
> > don't have a Grand Chess set myself, but I believe they are still sold
> > on Freeling's website. =A0The physical representation of the Capablanca
> > pieces is somewhat crude (horses with things growing out of their
> > heads), but Grand Chess as a chess variant is excellent --- the key is
> > the back row, which is empty except for the rooks, allowing for much
> > more freedom in setting up defense and attack.
>
> > Steve
>
> Do you have a link to the specific purchase page? =A0I found his site:http=
://mindsports.nl/index-mindsports.html
>
> But I don't see a store on there.
>
> Also I am in the United States. =A0I would like to be able to order them
> and have lower cost shipping. =A0I would like to get them to experiment
> with an 8x8 version of Freeling's game, and also a version of
> Capablanca that uses gating to get the Cap pieces on the board. =A0In
> addition, I have another one more standard I am working on, based on
> the same gating concept to I would like to try out. =A0I might look to
> also code it up in Zillions, but need to figure out how to do gating.
> Fairly soon, I will be getting the IAGO Chess rules up on the variant
> site. =A0I am doing final tweaks.
>
> - Rich- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Rich,
Click on the box that says "Grand Chess Hex Dame Boards and Sets."
The sets are way out of my price range but they do look nice.
I would caution against an 8x8 variant of the game. Freeling's 10x10
board greatly increases piece maneuverability and alleviates the
staleness that tends to haunt the opening in chess-type games.
What is "gating," by the way? Is that some special method of entering
chess pieces onto the board?
Steve
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Date: 23 Mar 2008 08:03:52
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Subject: Re: Anyone know anyone who sells chess variant pieces?
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On 23, 8:21 am, [email protected] wrote:
> On 23, 1:49 am, [email protected] wrote:
>
> > Hey, anyone have a lead on this? I would like to get pieces of the
> > Capablanca chess variety (Knight-Rook, Knight-Bishop), but my search
> > on the web has come up empty. Anyone have any possible leads here on
> > this?
>
> > Thanks...
> > - Rich
>
> Rich,
>
> Capablanca pieces are used in Christian Freeling's chess variant
> "Grand Chess," where they are called the shal and the Cardinal. I
> don't have a Grand Chess set myself, but I believe they are still sold
> on Freeling's website. The physical representation of the Capablanca
> pieces is somewhat crude (horses with things growing out of their
> heads), but Grand Chess as a chess variant is excellent --- the key is
> the back row, which is empty except for the rooks, allowing for much
> more freedom in setting up defense and attack.
>
> Steve
Do you have a link to the specific purchase page? I found his site:
http://mindsports.nl/index-mindsports.html
But I don't see a store on there.
Also I am in the United States. I would like to be able to order them
and have lower cost shipping. I would like to get them to experiment
with an 8x8 version of Freeling's game, and also a version of
Capablanca that uses gating to get the Cap pieces on the board. In
addition, I have another one more standard I am working on, based on
the same gating concept to I would like to try out. I might look to
also code it up in Zillions, but need to figure out how to do gating.
Fairly soon, I will be getting the IAGO Chess rules up on the variant
site. I am doing final tweaks.
- Rich
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Date: 23 Mar 2008 05:21:51
From:
Subject: Re: Anyone know anyone who sells chess variant pieces?
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On 23, 1:49=A0am, [email protected] wrote:
> Hey, anyone have a lead on this? I would like to get pieces of the
> Capablanca chess variety (Knight-Rook, Knight-Bishop), but my search
> on the web has come up empty. Anyone have any possible leads here on
> this?
>
> Thanks...
> - Rich
Rich,
Capablanca pieces are used in Christian Freeling's chess variant
"Grand Chess," where they are called the shal and the Cardinal. I
don't have a Grand Chess set myself, but I believe they are still sold
on Freeling's website. The physical representation of the Capablanca
pieces is somewhat crude (horses with things growing out of their
heads), but Grand Chess as a chess variant is excellent --- the key is
the back row, which is empty except for the rooks, allowing for much
more freedom in setting up defense and attack.
Steve
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