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Date: 23 Oct 2007 00:35:24
From: Sanny
Subject: Analyze this game between GetClub & Zester played today
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Game played by Easy Level at GetClub and Jester. Jester was white and
took a Knight in Middle game, Still Easy level gave tough fight and
Jester took 71 moves to win this game.
Please go through the game below and suggest what improvement can be
done in this game.
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
Jester: White
Easy Level: Black (GetClub.com Easy Level)
Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM11200&game=Chess
1.e2-e4 e7-e5
2.Ng1-f3 Nb8-c6
3.Bf1-b5 d7-d6
4.Ke1-g1 Bc8-d7
5.d2-d4 Ng8-f6
6.Nb1-c3 Nc6-b4
7.Bb5xd7+ Nf6xd7
8.a2-a3 Nb4-c6
9.d4-d5 Nc6-e7
10.Bc1-e3 Nd7-f6
11.Be3-g5 Ne7-g6
12.Qd1-d3 c7-c6
13.Qd3-c4 c6xd5
14.Nc3xd5 Ra8-b8
15.Bg5xf6 g7xf6
16.Qc4-a4+ Qd8-d7
17.Qa4xa7 Qd7-c6
18.Bf6-g5 h7-h6
19.Bg5-e3 Bf8-e7
20.c2-c4 Ke8-g8
21.b2-b3 Rc8-a8
22.Qa7-b6 Be7-d8
23.Qb6xc6 b7xc6
24.Nd5-b4 c6-c5
25.Nb4-d5 Kg8-h8
26.b3-b4 Ra8-a6
27.b4xc5 Ng6-h4
28.Nf3xh4 Bd8xh4
29.c5xd6 Ra6xd6
30.g2-g3 Bh4-g5
31.Be3xg5 h6xg5
32.c4-c5 Ra6-a7
33.c5-c6 Rd8xd6
34.Rf1-b1 Rd6xc6
35.h2-h3 Kh8-g8
36.Rb1-b8+ Kg8-h7
37.f2-f3 Rc6-c2
38.a3-a4 f7-f6
39.a4-a5 Ra7-d7
40.a5-a6 Rd7-a7
41.f3-f4 g5xf4
42.g3xf4 e5xf4
43.e4-e5 f6xe5
44.Rb8-e8 f4-f3
45.Re8xe5 Rc2-g2+
46.Kg1-h1 Rg2-g6
47.Re5-h5+ Kh7-g8
48.Nd5-e7+ Ra7xe7
49.a6-a7 Re7xa7
50.Ra1xa7 Rg6-d6
51.Rh5-f5 Rd6-d1+
52.Kh1-h2 Rd1-d2+
53.Kh2-g3 Kg8-h7
54.Rf5-f4 Rd2-e2
55.Kg3xf3 Re2-b2
56.Rf4-g4 Rb2-b3+
57.Kf3-e2 Rb3-b2+
58.Ke2-d1 Rb2-f2
59.Ra7xg7+ Kh7-h8
60.Rg7-g5 Rf2-f7
61.Rg5-h5+ Rf7-h7
62.Rh5xh7+ Kh8xh7
63.h3-h4 Kh7-h8
64.h4-h5 Kh8-h7
65.Rg4-g6 Kh7-h8
66.Kd1-d2 Kh8-h7
67.Kd2-e3 Kh7-h8
68.Ke3-f4 Kh8-h7
69.Kf4-g5 Kh7-h8
70.Kg5-f6 Kh8-h7
71.Kf6-f7
Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM11200&game=Chess
White took 71 moves despite having won a Knight on 15th move. As if
Bishop was killed white could trap the Queen.
In latter game Easy level played quite well thats the reasion Jestor
took so long in winning the game.
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 24 Oct 2007 13:56:48
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Analyze this game between GetClub & Zester played today
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On Oct 24, 2:02 pm, Tony M <[email protected] > wrote:
> It looks like Sanny mucked up the game score that he posted here.
> According to the game score on Sanny's site, the actual 15th move for
> black was 15... Rb8-c8. 16. Qc4-a4+ now looks like a sensible move.
> Also, the 29th move for Black should be 29... Rf8-d8 instead of 29...
> Ra6xd6.
Thanks.
I typed Sanny's moves in to have my computer pinpoint
where the biggest errors were made, but never got that
far on account of the illegal moves.
IMO, a better match might be Jester versus Master level,
where Jester is set to its lowest level (if it has levels).
-- help bot
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Date: 23 Oct 2007 23:53:05
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Analyze this game between GetClub & Zester played today
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On Oct 24, 12:22 am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:
> > > Jester: White
> > > Easy Level: Black (GetClub.com Easy Level)
>
> > > Recorded Game:http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM11200&game=Chess
>
> > > 1.e2-e4 e7-e5
> > > 2.Ng1-f3 Nb8-c6
> > > 3.Bf1-b5 d7-d6
> > > 4.Ke1-g1 Bc8-d7
> > > 5.d2-d4 Ng8-f6
> > > 6.Nb1-c3 Nc6-b4
> > > 7.Bb5xd7+ Nf6xd7
> > > 8.a2-a3 Nb4-c6
> > > 9.d4-d5 Nc6-e7
> > > 10.Bc1-e3 Nd7-f6
> > > 11.Be3-g5 Ne7-g6
> > > 12.Qd1-d3 c7-c6
> > > 13.Qd3-c4 c6xd5
> > > 14.Nc3xd5 Ra8-b8
> > > 15.Bg5xf6 g7xf6
> > > 16.Qc4-a4+ Qd8-d7
> > > 17.Qa4xa7 Qd7-c6
> > > 18.Bf6-g5 h7-h6
> > > 19.Bg5-e3
>
> > These are not legal moves, for the White QB has
> > already been exchanged off at move 15 (see above).
>
> > Note that instead of the exceedingly lame 16. Q-a4+,
> > White had 16. Qb5+ Qd7 (*forced*), 17. Nxf6+, game
> > over.
>
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> Nxf6 not possible already White bishop is standing there.
Okay, but in your original post the moves you posted
have that Bishop captured at move 15: gxf6. Maybe
the game does not match what you posted here.
-- help bot
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Date: 23 Oct 2007 22:55:48
From: Sanny
Subject: Do not play with Beginer Level
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Help Bot I find you are again playing with Beginner Level. If you play
12 Games with Beginner Level you will get just 4 Points.
If you play just 2 Games with Normal Level you will get +4 points.
Play Chess at: http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html
So 12 games with Beginner Level gives same points as just 2 Games with
Normal Level.
If you play with Beginner your 100 free Games Quota will get finished
and then you need to purchase more games.
However if you play with Normal+ Levels then you can get High Points
and win This Months Competition, Earning you more free games.
So play with Higher Levels as you can beat them. And you will get
higher points and play lots of games.
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 23 Oct 2007 22:22:13
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Analyze this game between GetClub & Zester played today
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On Oct 24, 4:29 am, help bot <[email protected] > wrote:
> Sanny wrote:
> > Game played by Easy Level at GetClub and Jester. Jester was white and
> > took a Knight in Middle game, Still Easy level gave tough fight and
> > Jester took 71 moves to win this game.
>
> > Please go through the game below and suggest what improvement can be
> > done in this game.
>
> > Game Played at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
>
> > Jester: White
> > Easy Level: Black (GetClub.com Easy Level)
>
> > Recorded Game:http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM11200&game=Chess
>
> > 1.e2-e4 e7-e5
> > 2.Ng1-f3 Nb8-c6
> > 3.Bf1-b5 d7-d6
> > 4.Ke1-g1 Bc8-d7
> > 5.d2-d4 Ng8-f6
> > 6.Nb1-c3 Nc6-b4
> > 7.Bb5xd7+ Nf6xd7
> > 8.a2-a3 Nb4-c6
> > 9.d4-d5 Nc6-e7
> > 10.Bc1-e3 Nd7-f6
> > 11.Be3-g5 Ne7-g6
> > 12.Qd1-d3 c7-c6
> > 13.Qd3-c4 c6xd5
> > 14.Nc3xd5 Ra8-b8
> > 15.Bg5xf6 g7xf6
> > 16.Qc4-a4+ Qd8-d7
> > 17.Qa4xa7 Qd7-c6
> > 18.Bf6-g5 h7-h6
> > 19.Bg5-e3
>
> These are not legal moves, for the White QB has
> already been exchanged off at move 15 (see above).
>
> Note that instead of the exceedingly lame 16. Q-a4+,
> White had 16. Qb5+ Qd7 (*forced*), 17. Nxf6+, game
> over.
>
> -- help bot- Hide quoted text -
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Nxf6 not possible already White bishop is standing there.
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 23 Oct 2007 16:29:35
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Analyze this game between GetClub & Zester played today
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Sanny wrote:
> Game played by Easy Level at GetClub and Jester. Jester was white and
> took a Knight in Middle game, Still Easy level gave tough fight and
> Jester took 71 moves to win this game.
>
> Please go through the game below and suggest what improvement can be
> done in this game.
>
> Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
>
> Jester: White
> Easy Level: Black (GetClub.com Easy Level)
>
> Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM11200&game=Chess
>
> 1.e2-e4 e7-e5
> 2.Ng1-f3 Nb8-c6
> 3.Bf1-b5 d7-d6
> 4.Ke1-g1 Bc8-d7
> 5.d2-d4 Ng8-f6
> 6.Nb1-c3 Nc6-b4
> 7.Bb5xd7+ Nf6xd7
> 8.a2-a3 Nb4-c6
> 9.d4-d5 Nc6-e7
> 10.Bc1-e3 Nd7-f6
> 11.Be3-g5 Ne7-g6
> 12.Qd1-d3 c7-c6
> 13.Qd3-c4 c6xd5
> 14.Nc3xd5 Ra8-b8
> 15.Bg5xf6 g7xf6
> 16.Qc4-a4+ Qd8-d7
> 17.Qa4xa7 Qd7-c6
> 18.Bf6-g5 h7-h6
> 19.Bg5-e3
These are not legal moves, for the White QB has
already been exchanged off at move 15 (see above).
Note that instead of the exceedingly lame 16. Q-a4+,
White had 16. Qb5+ Qd7 (*forced*), 17. Nxf6+, game
over.
-- help bot
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Date: 24 Oct 2007 19:02:27
From: Tony M
Subject: Re: Analyze this game between GetClub & Zester played today
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On Tue, 23 Oct 2007 16:29:35 -0700, help bot <[email protected] >
wrote:
>
>Sanny wrote:
>> Game played by Easy Level at GetClub and Jester. Jester was white and
>> took a Knight in Middle game, Still Easy level gave tough fight and
>> Jester took 71 moves to win this game.
>>
>> Please go through the game below and suggest what improvement can be
>> done in this game.
>>
>> Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
>>
>> Jester: White
>> Easy Level: Black (GetClub.com Easy Level)
>>
>> Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM11200&game=Chess
>>
>> 1.e2-e4 e7-e5
>> 2.Ng1-f3 Nb8-c6
>> 3.Bf1-b5 d7-d6
>> 4.Ke1-g1 Bc8-d7
>> 5.d2-d4 Ng8-f6
>> 6.Nb1-c3 Nc6-b4
>> 7.Bb5xd7+ Nf6xd7
>> 8.a2-a3 Nb4-c6
>> 9.d4-d5 Nc6-e7
>> 10.Bc1-e3 Nd7-f6
>> 11.Be3-g5 Ne7-g6
>> 12.Qd1-d3 c7-c6
>> 13.Qd3-c4 c6xd5
>> 14.Nc3xd5 Ra8-b8
>> 15.Bg5xf6 g7xf6
>> 16.Qc4-a4+ Qd8-d7
>> 17.Qa4xa7 Qd7-c6
>> 18.Bf6-g5 h7-h6
>> 19.Bg5-e3
>
>
> These are not legal moves, for the White QB has
>already been exchanged off at move 15 (see above).
>
>
> Note that instead of the exceedingly lame 16. Q-a4+,
>White had 16. Qb5+ Qd7 (*forced*), 17. Nxf6+, game
>over.
>
>
> -- help bot
It looks like Sanny mucked up the game score that he posted here.
According to the game score on Sanny's site, the actual 15th move for
black was 15... Rb8-c8. 16. Qc4-a4+ now looks like a sensible move.
Also, the 29th move for Black should be 29... Rf8-d8 instead of 29...
Ra6xd6.
Tony
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Date: 23 Oct 2007 14:43:53
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Analyze this game between GetClub & Zester played today
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On Oct 23, 8:51 am, [email protected] wrote:
> Bottom line is your program fell for a transparent 1 move tactic to
> lose a piece in the opening not the middlegame.
> The only reason the game took as long as it did was that white started
> giving away pawns for no apparent reason,
> possibly out of boredom to try and make some kind of a game of it? In
> any event if your program at any level fails
> to see such simple tactics, generally the forte of computers, I don't
> see how there is any hope for it.
There is no hope for any program which attempts
to emulate human play by overlooking simple tactics;
witness world champion Kramnik's failure to see a
mate-in-one! This is the end for humans and all
those who play like them. Computers will soon rule
the world. As I type this, computers are "taking over"
the world's stock exchanges, solving Mickey Mouse
games like checkers, and decimating humans at
chess while giving pawn odds. The clock is ticking;
soon you pathetic humans will be overthrown and
your vast superiors will rule the entire world. End
of line.
-- bot
-- help bot
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Date: 23 Oct 2007 06:51:23
From:
Subject: Re: Analyze this game between GetClub & Zester played today
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Bottom line is your program fell for a transparent 1 move tactic to
lose a piece in the opening not the middlegame.
The only reason the game took as long as it did was that white started
giving away pawns for no apparent reason,
possibly out of boredom to try and make some kind of a game of it? In
any event if your program at any level fails
to see such simple tactics, generally the forte of computers, I don't
see how there is any hope for it.
Good Luck
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