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Date: 31 Aug 2007 23:39:48
From: Sanny
Subject: Winners for Aug 2007 at GetClub Chess.
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This month the Winners at GetClub are (Aug 2007)
1st. zebediah : Points Awarded 35.3 Win ($5.00 as Prize)
2nd sanjay11 : Points Awarded 4.7 Win ($2.00 as Prize)
3rd help bot : Points Awarded 4.5 Win ($1.00 as Prize)
4th apple3feet : Points Awarded 4.3 Win ($1.00 as Prize)
5th bonsai : Points Awarded 2.8 Win ($1.00 as Prize)
6th softtanks : Points Awarded 1.6 Win ($1.00 as Prize)
Games Played at: http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html
This month the competition will be much tougher as Help bot and
apple3feet joined Later. Zebediah has beaten Taylor kingston Score and
is Ranked IInd at GetClub Chess.
Here are the All time Toppers at GetClub
1st Nomorechess (Rating: 1411)
2nd Zebediah (Rating 1319)
3rd Taylor Kingston (Rating: 1315)
4th Chrisf (Rating: 1288)
5th Bob (Rating: 1190)
So The rating are changing every month. And it is very tough to reach
higher levels at GetClub Chess.
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 04 Sep 2007 03:20:22
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Winners for Aug 2007 at GetClub Chess.
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On Sep 4, 3:13 am, tin Brown <
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Date: 04 Sep 2007 01:24:47
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Winners for Aug 2007 at GetClub Chess.
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Suppose we allow that Java is so slow that it is akin
> > to runningSanny'schess program on an old 386
> > machine; that would mean he only has to compete
> > at the Class A level to "equal"Fritzversion one. Hmm.
>
> I am not really inclined to sign up to his club just to test Fritz(1)
> against his engine.
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
Play Games at GetClub Chess and win Prizes if you are Topper. Many
players are playing here and you will find a tough competition here.
It takes just 20 seconds to signup and verify your Email. And then you
can play as long as you want.
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date:
From: Martin Brown
Subject: Re: Winners for Aug 2007 at GetClub Chess.
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Date: 03 Sep 2007 22:47:57
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Winners for Aug 2007 at GetClub Chess.
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> players in that it has beaten me a few times. My
> deepest concern is Rob Mitchell's perfect 2-0 score
> against the program; is this not proof positive that it
> cannot really playchess? Even IM Innes has beaten
> it like a carrot, and he's not really any good.
>
Those were the games played when Getclub Chess was very weak. Now the
things are not so easy. It will be difficult to beat higher levels by
players.
Now I see no one is playing with Normal & Master Level. As Beginner &
Easy are difficult to handle.
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 03 Sep 2007 20:08:22
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Winners for Aug 2007 at GetClub Chess.
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On Sep 3, 7:50 pm, Taylor Kingston <[email protected] > wrote:
> > Any-bot-y else notice how the critics seem afraid to
> > tackle Sanny's challenge? Matching up his program
> > against Fritz version one I mean. Not Rybka version
> > one(!!), but Fritz, or Shredder.
>
> Hey, if someone can find a 1.0 version of Fritz, they're welcome to
> test it against Sanny's program.
I never had version one nor even heard of "Fritz" until
it reached much later editions. The SSDF rating list now
puts it at 1907 on an old 386 computer, and this same
list has Rybka at nearly 3000, but on modern hardware.
Suppose we allow that Java is so slow that it is akin
to running Sanny's chess program on an old 386
machine; that would mean he only has to compete
at the Class A level to "equal" Fritz version one. Hmm.
Now think about it: the program clearly does dumb
things routinely which no Class A player would do, but
remember that tactics are 90+% of the game. And the
program does not resign in drawn positions like some
humans have done, nor does it ever get tired or just
miss pxR like some masters do in GM Soltis' book
on brilliancies. It's difficult to give credit for playing
at the Class A level when the program does so many
dumb things, but then if you consider overall strength
and disregard style, it certainly is better than most
players in that it has beaten me a few times. My
deepest concern is Rob Mitchell's perfect 2-0 score
against the program; is this not proof positive that it
cannot really play chess? Even IM Innes has beaten
it like a carrot, and he's not really any good.
Maybe I will dig out an old chess program on a 5.25"
floppy disk and test it against Sanny's. Let me see...
DOS 3.0, ...um, copy a: chess.exe c: chess.exe, er,
run chess.exe? No, run is probably a BASIC command.
Um, just chess.exe [enter]? I can run it in a DOS box
under Windows 2.0 -- no, that OS was only good for
crash testing. This is not going to be easy... .
-- help bot
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Date: 03 Sep 2007 17:50:33
From: Taylor Kingston
Subject: Re: Winners for Aug 2007 at GetClub Chess.
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On Sep 3, 8:17 pm, help bot <[email protected] > wrote:
> On Sep 3, 2:08 pm, Kenneth Sloan <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Taylor Kingston wrote:
> > > On Sep 3, 1:22 am, Sanny <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >>>> I think you should compare Getclub1 with Fritz1.
> > >>>> WhenGetClubreaches 8th version it will beat fritz8
> > >>> But Sanny, you said it could beat Fritz8 already! On 22 August you
> > >>> said here "GetClubChessbeat Worlds Strongest Computer Game !!!"
> > >>> Surely then it should beat Fritz8, which is nowhere near the strongestchessprogram. Yet Fritz beat yours easily. Your program is really pretty lousy atchess.
> > >>> And every time this is proven -- and it has been proven many, many,
> > >>> many times -- all you do is make silly excuses. Sanny, you need to
> > >>> quit lying and making ridiculous claims.
> > >> That was another Java Program which boast of being strongest in the
> > >> world. My Program was able to beat it becauase that made a blunder and
> > >> gave away its bishop for no reasion.
>
> > > Sanny, you remind of a guy who says "I am the tallest man in the
> > > world!" When someone points out that you are only 5 feet 6 inches
> > > tall, and that there many men 6 and even 7 feet tall or more, you try
> > > to explain that they are not really men, or that they live on a
> > > different world, or that theirs is a different kind of tallness than
> > > what you meant.
>
> > Sanny teased his hair this morning, so today he is even taller!
>
> Actor Alan Ladd wore elevator shoes and fast-motion
> cameras to beat up on much bigger foes like Earnest
> Borgnine, in fist fights. Bruce Lee had no difficulties
> whatever versus much tall men except when he ran into
> Kareem Abdul Jabbar, who was an expert fighter in the
> movie Game of Death.
>
> Any-bot-y else notice how the critics seem afraid to
> tackle Sanny's challenge? Matching up his program
> against Fritz version one I mean. Not Rybka version
> one(!!), but Fritz, or Shredder.
Hey, if someone can find a 1.0 version of Fritz, they're welcome to
test it against Sanny's program.
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Date: 03 Sep 2007 17:17:21
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Winners for Aug 2007 at GetClub Chess.
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On Sep 3, 2:08 pm, Kenneth Sloan <[email protected] > wrote:
> Taylor Kingston wrote:
> > On Sep 3, 1:22 am, Sanny <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>> I think you should compare Getclub1 with Fritz1.
> >>>> WhenGetClubreaches 8th version it will beat fritz8
> >>> But Sanny, you said it could beat Fritz8 already! On 22 August you
> >>> said here "GetClubChessbeat Worlds Strongest Computer Game !!!"
> >>> Surely then it should beat Fritz8, which is nowhere near the strongestchessprogram. Yet Fritz beat yours easily. Your program is really pretty lousy atchess.
> >>> And every time this is proven -- and it has been proven many, many,
> >>> many times -- all you do is make silly excuses. Sanny, you need to
> >>> quit lying and making ridiculous claims.
> >> That was another Java Program which boast of being strongest in the
> >> world. My Program was able to beat it becauase that made a blunder and
> >> gave away its bishop for no reasion.
>
> > Sanny, you remind of a guy who says "I am the tallest man in the
> > world!" When someone points out that you are only 5 feet 6 inches
> > tall, and that there many men 6 and even 7 feet tall or more, you try
> > to explain that they are not really men, or that they live on a
> > different world, or that theirs is a different kind of tallness than
> > what you meant.
>
> Sanny teased his hair this morning, so today he is even taller!
Actor Alan Ladd wore elevator shoes and fast-motion
cameras to beat up on much bigger foes like Earnest
Borgnine, in fist fights. Bruce Lee had no difficulties
whatever versus much tall men except when he ran into
Kareem Abdul Jabbar, who was an expert fighter in the
movie Game of Death.
Any-bot-y else notice how the critics seem afraid to
tackle Sanny's challenge? Matching up his program
against Fritz version one I mean. Not Rybka version
one(!!), but Fritz, or Shredder.
-- help bot
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Date: 03 Sep 2007 10:53:36
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Winners for Aug 2007 at GetClub Chess.
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On Sep 3, 10:48 pm, Bjoern <[email protected] > wrote:
> Sanny wrote:
>
> > Beginner: 1700
> > Easy: 1800
> > Normal: 1900
> > Master: 2000
>
> > Is the Above rating Correct, What do Fritz8 Say?
>
> I say
> Beginner: 1200
> Easy: 1250
> Normal: 1280
> Master: 1300
Have you beaten GetClub Chess after it was Improved? Today it beat
Nomorechess Twice. And soon it will beat others too.
Bye
Sanny.
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 03 Sep 2007 10:47:38
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Winners for Aug 2007 at GetClub Chess.
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On Sep 3, 10:39 pm, Taylor Kingston <[email protected] > wrote:
> On Sep 3, 1:22 pm, Sanny <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 3, 9:36 pm, Taylor Kingston <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > On Sep 3, 11:37 am, Sanny <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > That was another Java Program which boast of being strongest in the
> > > > > > world. My Program was able to beat it becauase that made a blunder and
> > > > > > gave away its bishop for no reasion.
>
> > > > > Sanny, you remind of a guy who says "I am the tallest man in the
> > > > > world!" When someone points out that you are only 5 feet 6 inches
> > > > > tall, and that there many men 6 and even 7 feet tall or more, you try
> > > > > to explain that they are not really men, or that they live on a
> > > > > different world, or that theirs is a different kind of tallness than
> > > > > what you meant.
>
> > > > This is something Puzzle like: What Comes first Hen or the Egg?
>
> > > No, Sanny, it is nothing like that. Time to go back to ignoring you.
>
> > Visithttp://www.ludochess.com/jester_eng/jester_eng.php3
>
> > They Write in BOLD LETTERS
> > //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
> > JESTER the strongest pure javachessprogram
> > ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
>
> > Thats why I wrote My program beat Strongest Program.
>
> Ah, but Sanny, even assuming Jester's claim is valid, "strongest
> Java program" and "strongest program" are not at all the same thing.
> Therefore your statement was quite misleading.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
It was for the first time my Program was able to beat Jester.
Bye
Sanny.
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Date: 03 Sep 2007 10:39:03
From: Taylor Kingston
Subject: Re: Winners for Aug 2007 at GetClub Chess.
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On Sep 3, 1:22 pm, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:
> On Sep 3, 9:36 pm, Taylor Kingston <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 3, 11:37 am, Sanny <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > That was another Java Program which boast of being strongest in the
> > > > > world. My Program was able to beat it becauase that made a blunder and
> > > > > gave away its bishop for no reasion.
>
> > > > Sanny, you remind of a guy who says "I am the tallest man in the
> > > > world!" When someone points out that you are only 5 feet 6 inches
> > > > tall, and that there many men 6 and even 7 feet tall or more, you try
> > > > to explain that they are not really men, or that they live on a
> > > > different world, or that theirs is a different kind of tallness than
> > > > what you meant.
>
> > > This is something Puzzle like: What Comes first Hen or the Egg?
>
> > No, Sanny, it is nothing like that. Time to go back to ignoring you.
>
> Visithttp://www.ludochess.com/jester_eng/jester_eng.php3
>
> They Write in BOLD LETTERS
> //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
> JESTER the strongest pure java chess program
> ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
>
> Thats why I wrote My program beat Strongest Program.
>
Ah, but Sanny, even assuming Jester's claim is valid, "strongest
Java program" and "strongest program" are not at all the same thing.
Therefore your statement was quite misleading.
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Date: 03 Sep 2007 10:22:48
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Winners for Aug 2007 at GetClub Chess.
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On Sep 3, 9:36 pm, Taylor Kingston <[email protected] > wrote:
> On Sep 3, 11:37 am, Sanny <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > That was another Java Program which boast of being strongest in the
> > > > world. My Program was able to beat it becauase that made a blunder and
> > > > gave away its bishop for no reasion.
>
> > > Sanny, you remind of a guy who says "I am the tallest man in the
> > > world!" When someone points out that you are only 5 feet 6 inches
> > > tall, and that there many men 6 and even 7 feet tall or more, you try
> > > to explain that they are not really men, or that they live on a
> > > different world, or that theirs is a different kind of tallness than
> > > what you meant.
>
> > This is something Puzzle like: What Comes first Hen or the Egg?
>
> No, Sanny, it is nothing like that. Time to go back to ignoring you.
Visit http://www.ludochess.com/jester_eng/jester_eng.php3
They Write in BOLD LETTERS
//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
JESTER the strongest pure java chess program
///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
Thats why I wrote My program beat Strongest Program.
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 03 Sep 2007 09:36:26
From: Taylor Kingston
Subject: Re: Winners for Aug 2007 at GetClub Chess.
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On Sep 3, 11:37 am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:
> > > That was another Java Program which boast of being strongest in the
> > > world. My Program was able to beat it becauase that made a blunder and
> > > gave away its bishop for no reasion.
>
> > Sanny, you remind of a guy who says "I am the tallest man in the
> > world!" When someone points out that you are only 5 feet 6 inches
> > tall, and that there many men 6 and even 7 feet tall or more, you try
> > to explain that they are not really men, or that they live on a
> > different world, or that theirs is a different kind of tallness than
> > what you meant.
>
> This is something Puzzle like: What Comes first Hen or the Egg?
>
No, Sanny, it is nothing like that. Time to go back to ignoring you.
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Date: 03 Sep 2007 08:37:27
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Winners for Aug 2007 at GetClub Chess.
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> > That was another Java Program which boast of being strongest in the
> > world. My Program was able to beat it becauase that made a blunder and
> > gave away its bishop for no reasion.
>
> Sanny, you remind of a guy who says "I am the tallest man in the
> world!" When someone points out that you are only 5 feet 6 inches
> tall, and that there many men 6 and even 7 feet tall or more, you try
> to explain that they are not really men, or that they live on a
> different world, or that theirs is a different kind of tallness than
> what you meant.
This is something Puzzle like: What Comes first Hen or the Egg?
I say Egg comes first and it hatches to give a Hen.
Other said Hen laid the Eggs so Hen Comes First.
The Program I played It wrote It is worlds Strongest Chess Game. So I
thought they are saying correct. And my Program wins against him in 60
moves. So I wrote the fact. But later a few players told me that Rybka
is best Chess game. If some day my Program beats Rybka I will again
say it. But maybe by then some other program becomes worlds best.
Some people say Fritz is best. Some say Chess Master is best. Some say
Deep Blue is best. I do not know which plays best.
Play Chess at: http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html
Today for the First time Nomorechess was beaten twice by Beginner
Level, However Nomorechess said he was playing Blitz game and not
playing seriously thats why he lost the Match.
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 03 Sep 2007 14:10:06
From: Kenneth Sloan
Subject: Re: Winners for Aug 2007 at GetClub Chess.
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Sanny wrote:
>
> Some people say Fritz is best. Some say Chess Master is best. Some say
> Deep Blue is best. I do not know which plays best.
We all know which plays worst...
--
Kenneth Sloan [email protected]
Computer and Information Sciences +1-205-932-2213
University of Alabama at Birmingham FAX +1-205-934-5473
Birmingham, AL 35294-1170 http://www.cis.uab.edu/sloan/
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Date: 03 Sep 2007 08:19:53
From: Taylor Kingston
Subject: Re: Winners for Aug 2007 at GetClub Chess.
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On Sep 3, 1:22 am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:
> > > I think you should compare Getclub1 with Fritz1.
>
> > > WhenGetClubreaches 8th version it will beat fritz8
>
> > But Sanny, you said it could beat Fritz8 already! On 22 August you
> > said here "GetClubChessbeat Worlds Strongest Computer Game !!!"
> > Surely then it should beat Fritz8, which is nowhere near the strongestchessprogram. Yet Fritz beat yours easily. Your program is really pretty lousy atchess.
> > And every time this is proven -- and it has been proven many, many,
> > many times -- all you do is make silly excuses. Sanny, you need to
> > quit lying and making ridiculous claims.
>
> That was another Java Program which boast of being strongest in the
> world. My Program was able to beat it becauase that made a blunder and
> gave away its bishop for no reasion.
>
Sanny, you remind of a guy who says "I am the tallest man in the
world!" When someone points out that you are only 5 feet 6 inches
tall, and that there many men 6 and even 7 feet tall or more, you try
to explain that they are not really men, or that they live on a
different world, or that theirs is a different kind of tallness than
what you meant.
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Date: 03 Sep 2007 14:08:45
From: Kenneth Sloan
Subject: Re: Winners for Aug 2007 at GetClub Chess.
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Taylor Kingston wrote:
> On Sep 3, 1:22 am, Sanny <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> I think you should compare Getclub1 with Fritz1.
>>>> WhenGetClubreaches 8th version it will beat fritz8
>>> But Sanny, you said it could beat Fritz8 already! On 22 August you
>>> said here "GetClubChessbeat Worlds Strongest Computer Game !!!"
>>> Surely then it should beat Fritz8, which is nowhere near the strongestchessprogram. Yet Fritz beat yours easily. Your program is really pretty lousy atchess.
>>> And every time this is proven -- and it has been proven many, many,
>>> many times -- all you do is make silly excuses. Sanny, you need to
>>> quit lying and making ridiculous claims.
>> That was another Java Program which boast of being strongest in the
>> world. My Program was able to beat it becauase that made a blunder and
>> gave away its bishop for no reasion.
>>
>
> Sanny, you remind of a guy who says "I am the tallest man in the
> world!" When someone points out that you are only 5 feet 6 inches
> tall, and that there many men 6 and even 7 feet tall or more, you try
> to explain that they are not really men, or that they live on a
> different world, or that theirs is a different kind of tallness than
> what you meant.
>
Sanny teased his hair this morning, so today he is even taller!
--
Kenneth Sloan [email protected]
Computer and Information Sciences +1-205-932-2213
University of Alabama at Birmingham FAX +1-205-934-5473
Birmingham, AL 35294-1170 http://www.cis.uab.edu/sloan/
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Date: 03 Sep 2007 03:22:39
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Winners for Aug 2007 at GetClub Chess.
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> Actually, looking at the programs past record, you should easily find
> plenty of those, what I can access on the front page of your website
> seems to indicated a record of
> 6 losses for master level
> 3 losses for normal level
> 4 losses for easy level
> 14 losses, potentially 1 draw (was that real or not?!) for beginner
The things are going to be changed from today as the Game has been
improved a lot Today.
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 03 Sep 2007 03:19:40
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Winners for Aug 2007 at GetClub Chess.
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> Does Fritz8 have a way of weakening the program to
> USCF-rating equivalents? If it does, you might be able
> to give some kind of estimate for the strength of the
> program atGetClub.
>
> Personally, I find it very hard to estimate, because at
> times I feel I am playing a tactically dangerous computer,
> yet at other times I feel like I am playing Sanny himself.
I give {improved} Easy Level same Rating as your Gameplay. As the Game
has improved Easy Level will play as good as you play.
If your Rating is 1800, Easy =1800.
Beginner=1700 (-100)
Normal=1900 (+100)
Master: 2000 (+200)
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 03 Sep 2007 03:13:57
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Winners for Aug 2007 at GetClub Chess.
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Can Taylor Kingston play with Beginner, Easy, Normal & Master with his
Fritz8 and tell me What is the actual Rating of GetClub Chess.
Here is what I give for the Improved Game.
Play & Tell: http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html
{The Game was improved further today, So I am estimating a little
higher rating.}
Beginner: 1700
Easy: 1800
Normal: 1900
Master: 2000
Is the Above rating Correct, What do Fritz8 Say?
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at:http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 03 Sep 2007 14:11:48
From: Kenneth Sloan
Subject: Re: Winners for Aug 2007 at GetClub Chess.
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Sanny wrote:
> Beginner: 1700
> Easy: 1800
> Normal: 1900
> Master: 2000
>
> Is the Above rating Correct, What do Fritz8 Say?
>
Fritz8 laughs.
--
Kenneth Sloan [email protected]
Computer and Information Sciences +1-205-932-2213
University of Alabama at Birmingham FAX +1-205-934-5473
Birmingham, AL 35294-1170 http://www.cis.uab.edu/sloan/
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Date: 03 Sep 2007 19:48:43
From: Bjoern
Subject: Re: Winners for Aug 2007 at GetClub Chess.
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Sanny wrote:
>
> Beginner: 1700
> Easy: 1800
> Normal: 1900
> Master: 2000
>
> Is the Above rating Correct, What do Fritz8 Say?
>
I say
Beginner: 1200
Easy: 1250
Normal: 1280
Master: 1300
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Date: 03 Sep 2007 03:08:19
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Winners for Aug 2007 at GetClub Chess.
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> When I tried out another Web site which used
> a Javachessprogram, there was no trouble and
> it moved in good time, so I think the problem is
> specific to Sanny's program/Web site.
>
The Problem has been corrected. I feel now Beginner will give you a
good Challenge.
I find it takes 50-60 moves for you to win Beginner. Earlier you used
to beat in 40 Moves only.
With recent Improvement I feel now you will need 60-70 Moves to win
Beginner Level.
Play Chess at:http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html
And may be in 1/3 Matches the Beginner will win.
And Easy Level will be 50-50 for you.
Normal will beat you 2/3 times.
Master will beat you 3/4 times.
Thats what I think. May be your game level is better than what I
think.
But since you mostly play with beginner level. I have a feeling It
will have very difficult for you to win Higher Levels.
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at:http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 03 Sep 2007 01:14:16
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Winners for Aug 2007 at GetClub Chess.
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> > Pretty much a hare-and-tortoise affair, except that here the hare
> > never let up. Sanny's program simply doesn't have the speed and
> > calculating ability to stand up to Fritz8 even in its quickest-moving
> > mode.
>
> Does Fritz8 have a way of weakening the program to
> USCF-rating equivalents? If it does, you might be able
> to give some kind of estimate for the strength of the
> program atGetClub.
The GETCLUB GAME has now entered the KILLER ZONE.
I Update the Rating of Game as again a bit of improvement was done.
Beginner: 1700
Easy: 1800
Normal: 1900
Master: 2000
Play Chess at: http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html
Nomorechess now you will have tough time beating the Beginner & Easy
Levels.
For Stronger players Zebediah I think it will be tougher to beat the
Master Level.
The game strength was further improved today. And this time it was a
serious improvement.
Play Chess at: http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html
I am going to see a lot of losses by good players in comming days.
As I promised the game will be further improved. Now is the time To
get a good Challenge.
If you are currenlt playing a game. Just close your Browser and start
the game again So that better Program is loaded on your computer and
you do not play with older version.
I am sure that I am going to see a lot of losses in comming days.
Nomorechess will have trouble with Beginner & Easy Level.
Bonsai will have trouble playing with Easy & Normal Level.
And Zebediah will find Master much tougher than what it was earlier.
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 03 Sep 2007 00:08:41
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Winners for Aug 2007 at GetClub Chess.
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On Sep 3, 12:48 am, Bjoern <[email protected] > wrote:
> Sanny wrote:
> > Fritz and Rybka I have not tested. Once my Program starts beating good
> > players like nomorechess, yourself, bob & Zebediah. Then I will test
> > it against Fritz & Rybka.
Once Bobby Fischer has beaten me in a match,
THEN I will allow Rybka to offer me pawn odds, but
not before. ; >D
> You should it would provide you lots of material showing where the
> program can improve.
>
> > Now it do not make silly moves. Now you told it is not playing
> > intelligently. What do you mean by that. Can you show some moves which
> > you think were wrong.
>
> Actually, looking at the programs past record, you should easily find
> plenty of those, what I can access on the front page of your website
> seems to indicated a record of
> 6 losses for master level
> 3 losses for normal level
> 4 losses for easy level
> 14 losses, potentially 1 draw (was that real or not?!) for beginner
>
> and then there's the programs score of +5 -7 versus you personally,
> Sanny, which appear to be the only games the program has actually won.
>
> Why don't you just run all those losses through fritz?
I believe what Sanny has in mind is his Band-aid
approach whereby he finds an exact position early
in the game and then types in a specific move for
it to play by-rote. This is wrongheaded, and even
with a thousand such Band-aids the program will
be easy to beat, once beyond the Band-aid wall of
protection.
Personally, I don't know squat about Java, HTML,
or even writing a routine to generate a list of every
legal move in a given position, but it ought to be a
simple task to improve on the program's current
level, where it "resigns" a half-move before being
checkmated. Sheesh! Just do simple math:
K=99
Q=9
R=5
B=3
N=3
P=1
or this:
K=999
Q=100
R=56
B=34
N=31
P=10
and add them up for the "material score".
Then, after this is working smoothly, add on
a "positional score" which gives a bonus for
control of the center, King safety or whatever
you want, just make sure that you save the
original, tested-working version so you can go
back to Kansas if things don't pan out.
In my scenario, even a slow-as-molasses
Java module should be able to get well beyond
the current resign at mate-on-the-move state.
In my games, the program sits there for a while
and then, finally, realizes it is going to be mated
by force; the time for this ought to be essentially
*zero*, since there is only one legal move. For
instance, in the game where I recently beat the
master level I played ...QxR+, and it had just one
legal move, KxQ, after which I had ...R-h1 mate.
When I tried out another Web site which used
a Java chess program, there was no trouble and
it moved in good time, so I think the problem is
specific to Sanny's program/Web site.
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Date: 02 Sep 2007 22:34:55
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Winners for Aug 2007 at GetClub Chess.
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On Sep 2, 4:47 pm, Taylor Kingston <[email protected] > wrote:
> But Sanny, you said it could beat Fritz8 already! On 22 August you
> said here "GetClub Chess beat Worlds Strongest Computer Game !!!"
> Surely then it should beat Fritz8, which is nowhere near the strongest
> chess program. Yet Fritz beat yours easily. Your program is really
> pretty lousy at chess.
> And every time this is proven -- and it has been proven many, many,
> many times -- all you do is make silly excuses. Sanny, you need to
> quit lying and making ridiculous claims.
I suppose the clearest proof is the record of Rob Mitchell
at GetCLub: a perfect 2 - 0.
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Date: 02 Sep 2007 22:27:35
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Winners for Aug 2007 at GetClub Chess.
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On Sep 2, 9:59 am, Taylor Kingston <[email protected] > wrote:
> White: Sanny's program (at "normal" level)
> Black: Fritz8 (in blitz mode -- the numbers following each move are
> the time each machine took, in seconds)
It is not clear as to whether or not Fritz8 was thinking
on the opponent's (leisurely) time.
> 1. Nf3 Nf6
Who says Sanny's program can't go toe-to-toe with the
big boys in the opening?
> 2. Nc3 {127} d5 {0} 3. d4 {205} g6 {0} 4. Bg5 {180} Bg7 {0}
> 5. Qd3 {211} O-O {8} 6. O-O-O {477} Re8 {0} 7. e4? {118} -- Perhaps
> the losing move. Fritz now shows its greatly superior calculating
> ability. 7...dxe4 {19} 8. Nxe4 {157} Bf5 {0} -- A very troublesome
> pin. White can't break it by 9.Nxf6+, since 9...exf6 wins a piece. 9.
> Bxf6 {194} exf6 {0} 10. Re1 {191} Nc6 {14} 11. Kb1 {308} Qd5 {0} --
> Fritz rated the position at about -1.45 here. 12. Nfd2 {104} Bxe4 {0}
> 13. Rxe4 {174} f5 {0} 14. Rxe8+? {238} -- Relatively best was 14.Re2,
> accepting the loss of a pawn. Now Fritz rates the position at about
> -3.10. 14...Rxe8 {6} 15. Nf3 {272} Qxf3! {4} -- The queen sac. Of
> course if White retakes on f3 then 16...Re1+ and mate quicky. 16. Qd2
> {187} Qe4 {0} 17. d5?? {172} -- There was no good move, but this is
> very bad. Fritz's now saw a forced mate. 17...Qd4! {4} -- Threatening
> 18...Qxb2# and therefore forcing further material loss. 18. Qc1 {132}
> Re1 {0} 19. c3 {141} Rxc1+ {141} 20. Kxc1 {159} Bh6+{159} 21. Kc2
> {188} Qa4+ {188} -- At this point Sanny's program resigned. Black has
> a forced mate in 4: 22. b3 Qxa2+ 23. Kd3 Ne5+ 24. Kd4 Qxf2+ 25.
> Kxe5Bg7# 0-1
Perhaps there is a material limit which triggers the
program to resign? I find it hard to believe that Sanny's
program can spot a mate-in-four, since it nearly always
has trouble finding mate-in-one against itself in my
games.
> Pretty much a hare-and-tortoise affair, except that here the hare
> never let up. Sanny's program simply doesn't have the speed and
> calculating ability to stand up to Fritz8 even in its quickest-moving
> mode.
Does Fritz8 have a way of weakening the program to
USCF-rating equivalents? If it does, you might be able
to give some kind of estimate for the strength of the
program at GetClub.
Personally, I find it very hard to estimate, because at
times I feel I am playing a tactically dangerous computer,
yet at other times I feel like I am playing Sanny himself.
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Date: 02 Sep 2007 22:22:50
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Winners for Aug 2007 at GetClub Chess.
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> > I think you should compare Getclub1 with Fritz1.
>
> > WhenGetClubreaches 8th version it will beat fritz8
>
> But Sanny, you said it could beat Fritz8 already! On 22 August you
> said here "GetClubChessbeat Worlds Strongest Computer Game !!!"
> Surely then it should beat Fritz8, which is nowhere near the strongestchessprogram. Yet Fritz beat yours easily. Your program is really
> pretty lousy atchess.
> And every time this is proven -- and it has been proven many, many,
> many times -- all you do is make silly excuses. Sanny, you need to
> quit lying and making ridiculous claims.
That was another Java Program which boast of being strongest in the
world. My Program was able to beat it becauase that made a blunder and
gave away its bishop for no reasion.
Play Chess at:http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html
Fritz and Rybka I have not tested. Once my Program starts beating good
players like nomorechess, yourself, bob & Zebediah. Then I will test
it against Fritz & Rybka.
Now it do not make silly moves. Now you told it is not playing
intelligently. What do you mean by that. Can you show some moves which
you think were wrong.
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at:http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 03 Sep 2007 07:48:55
From: Bjoern
Subject: Re: Winners for Aug 2007 at GetClub Chess.
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Sanny wrote:
> Fritz and Rybka I have not tested. Once my Program starts beating good
> players like nomorechess, yourself, bob & Zebediah. Then I will test
> it against Fritz & Rybka.
You should it would provide you lots of material showing where the
program can improve.
> Now it do not make silly moves. Now you told it is not playing
> intelligently. What do you mean by that. Can you show some moves which
> you think were wrong.
Actually, looking at the programs past record, you should easily find
plenty of those, what I can access on the front page of your website
seems to indicated a record of
6 losses for master level
3 losses for normal level
4 losses for easy level
14 losses, potentially 1 draw (was that real or not?!) for beginner
and then there's the programs score of +5 -7 versus you personally,
Sanny, which appear to be the only games the program has actually won.
Why don't you just run all those losses through fritz?
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Date: 02 Sep 2007 14:47:43
From: Taylor Kingston
Subject: Re: Winners for Aug 2007 at GetClub Chess.
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On Sep 2, 1:10 pm, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:
>
> My Program is just 1 year old.
>
> So If I call my Program GetClub1 Vs Fritz8.
>
> I think you should compare Getclub1 with Fritz1.
>
> When GetClub reaches 8th version it will beat fritz8
But Sanny, you said it could beat Fritz8 already! On 22 August you
said here "GetClub Chess beat Worlds Strongest Computer Game !!!"
Surely then it should beat Fritz8, which is nowhere near the strongest
chess program. Yet Fritz beat yours easily. Your program is really
pretty lousy at chess.
And every time this is proven -- and it has been proven many, many,
many times -- all you do is make silly excuses. Sanny, you need to
quit lying and making ridiculous claims.
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Date: 02 Sep 2007 10:10:35
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Winners for Aug 2007 at GetClub Chess.
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On Sep 2, 7:59 pm, Taylor Kingston <[email protected] > wrote:
> On Sep 2, 6:47 am, Sanny <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > So The rating are changing every month. And it is very tough to reach
> > > higher levels atGetClubChess.
>
> > > Bye
> > > Sanny
>
> > > PlayChessat:http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html
>
> > A little improvement was done, Lets see if it make it play better or
> > not.
>
> I would say it is at least not playing as stupidly as it used to,
> but still not very intelligently. Due to Sanny's claim that his
> program had recently beaten "the strongest computer program in the
> world," I decided to pit it against my home version of Fritz8. The
> game was really no contest, but Fritz did come up with some amusing
> tactical strokes, including a queen sacrifice:
My Program is just 1 year old.
So If I call my Program GetClub1 Vs Fritz8.
I think you should compare Getclub1 with Fritz1.
When GetClub reaches 8th version it will beat fritz8
Play Chess at:http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html
> White: Sanny's program (at "normal" level)
> Black: Fritz8 (in blitz mode -- the numbers following each move are
> the time each machine took, in seconds)
>
> 1. Nf3 Nf6 2. Nc3 {127} d5 {0} 3. d4 {205} g6 {0} 4. Bg5 {180} Bg7 {0}
> 5. Qd3 {211} O-O {8} 6. O-O-O {477} Re8 {0} 7. e4? {118} -- Perhaps
> the losing move. Fritz now shows its greatly superior calculating
> ability. 7...dxe4 {19} 8. Nxe4 {157} Bf5 {0} -- A very troublesome
> pin. White can't break it by 9.Nxf6+, since 9...exf6 wins a piece. 9.
> Bxf6 {194} exf6 {0} 10. Re1 {191} Nc6 {14} 11. Kb1 {308} Qd5 {0} --
> Fritz rated the position at about -1.45 here. 12. Nfd2 {104} Bxe4 {0}
> 13. Rxe4 {174} f5 {0} 14. Rxe8+? {238} -- Relatively best was 14.Re2,
> accepting the loss of a pawn. Now Fritz rates the position at about
> -3.10. 14...Rxe8 {6} 15. Nf3 {272} Qxf3! {4} -- The queen sac. Of
> course if White retakes on f3 then 16...Re1+ and mate quicky. 16. Qd2
> {187} Qe4 {0} 17. d5?? {172} -- There was no good move, but this is
> very bad. Fritz's now saw a forced mate. 17...Qd4! {4} -- Threatening
> 18...Qxb2# and therefore forcing further material loss. 18. Qc1 {132}
> Re1 {0} 19. c3 {141} Rxc1+ {141} 20. Kxc1 {159} Bh6+{159} 21. Kc2
> {188} Qa4+ {188} -- At this point Sanny's program resigned. Black has
> a forced mate in 4: 22. b3 Qxa2+ 23. Kd3 Ne5+ 24. Kd4 Qxf2+ 25.
> Kxe5Bg7# 0-1
>
> Pretty much a hare-and-tortoise affair, except that here the hare
> never let up. Sanny's program simply doesn't have the speed and
> calculating ability to stand up to Fritz8 even in its quickest-moving
> mode.
There are a few things
1. Java is 10 times slower than Native Chess.
2. Applets are again 2-3 times slower.
So GetClub Chess was taking 20 times more time.
However I think my game is for general players not for Matching
against Computer. If you want real credit beat the Master Level
without help from Fritz8 or Fritz10.
Zebediah and Nomorechess has beaten Master Level, How about you? I
think you can too.
Tell me the mistakes in the game so that I remove them and make a
stronger opponent for Players playing it.
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at:http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 02 Sep 2007 07:59:05
From: Taylor Kingston
Subject: Re: Winners for Aug 2007 at GetClub Chess.
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On Sep 2, 6:47 am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:
> > So The rating are changing every month. And it is very tough to reach
> > higher levels atGetClubChess.
>
> > Bye
> > Sanny
>
> > Play Chess at:http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html
>
> A little improvement was done, Lets see if it make it play better or
> not.
I would say it is at least not playing as stupidly as it used to,
but still not very intelligently. Due to Sanny's claim that his
program had recently beaten "the strongest computer program in the
world," I decided to pit it against my home version of Fritz8. The
game was really no contest, but Fritz did come up with some amusing
tactical strokes, including a queen sacrifice:
White: Sanny's program (at "normal" level)
Black: Fritz8 (in blitz mode -- the numbers following each move are
the time each machine took, in seconds)
1. Nf3 Nf6 2. Nc3 {127} d5 {0} 3. d4 {205} g6 {0} 4. Bg5 {180} Bg7 {0}
5. Qd3 {211} O-O {8} 6. O-O-O {477} Re8 {0} 7. e4? {118} -- Perhaps
the losing move. Fritz now shows its greatly superior calculating
ability. 7...dxe4 {19} 8. Nxe4 {157} Bf5 {0} -- A very troublesome
pin. White can't break it by 9.Nxf6+, since 9...exf6 wins a piece. 9.
Bxf6 {194} exf6 {0} 10. Re1 {191} Nc6 {14} 11. Kb1 {308} Qd5 {0} --
Fritz rated the position at about -1.45 here. 12. Nfd2 {104} Bxe4 {0}
13. Rxe4 {174} f5 {0} 14. Rxe8+? {238} -- Relatively best was 14.Re2,
accepting the loss of a pawn. Now Fritz rates the position at about
-3.10. 14...Rxe8 {6} 15. Nf3 {272} Qxf3! {4} -- The queen sac. Of
course if White retakes on f3 then 16...Re1+ and mate quicky. 16. Qd2
{187} Qe4 {0} 17. d5?? {172} -- There was no good move, but this is
very bad. Fritz's now saw a forced mate. 17...Qd4! {4} -- Threatening
18...Qxb2# and therefore forcing further material loss. 18. Qc1 {132}
Re1 {0} 19. c3 {141} Rxc1+ {141} 20. Kxc1 {159} Bh6+{159} 21. Kc2
{188} Qa4+ {188} -- At this point Sanny's program resigned. Black has
a forced mate in 4: 22. b3 Qxa2+ 23. Kd3 Ne5+ 24. Kd4 Qxf2+ 25.
Kxe5Bg7# 0-1
Pretty much a hare-and-tortoise affair, except that here the hare
never let up. Sanny's program simply doesn't have the speed and
calculating ability to stand up to Fritz8 even in its quickest-moving
mode.
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Date: 02 Sep 2007 11:47:42
From: Kenneth Sloan
Subject: Re: Winners for Aug 2007 at GetClub Chess.
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Taylor Kingston wrote:
> On Sep 2, 6:47 am, Sanny <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> So The rating are changing every month. And it is very tough to reach
>>> higher levels atGetClubChess.
>>> Bye
>>> Sanny
>>> Play Chess at:http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html
>> A little improvement was done, Lets see if it make it play better or
>> not.
>
> I would say it is at least not playing as stupidly as it used to,
> but still not very intelligently. Due to Sanny's claim that his
> program had recently beaten "the strongest computer program in the
> world," I decided to pit it against my home version of Fritz8.
Sanny did not claim his program can beat Fritz8.
He claimed that it had already beaten "the strongest computer program in
the world".
This was a computer program which controls heavy-lifting cranes on the
Seattle docks. When pitted against Sanny's program in a game of chess,
it was no contest.
--
Kenneth Sloan [email protected]
Computer and Information Sciences +1-205-932-2213
University of Alabama at Birmingham FAX +1-205-934-5473
Birmingham, AL 35294-1170 http://www.cis.uab.edu/sloan/
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Date: 02 Sep 2007 03:47:56
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Winners for Aug 2007 at GetClub Chess.
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> So The rating are changing every month. And it is very tough to reach
> higher levels atGetClubChess.
>
> Bye
> Sanny
>
> Play Chess at:http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html
A little improvement was done, Lets see if it make it play better or
not.
If in any game you find the computer has made a wrong move let me know
it.
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at:http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 02 Sep 2007 11:40:55
From: Kenneth Sloan
Subject: Re: Winners for Aug 2007 at GetClub Chess.
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Sanny wrote:
>
> A little improvement was done, Lets see if it make it play better or
> not.
>
I wonder if we could write a Parable entitled:
"The programmer who cried 'It has been improved!'"
--
Kenneth Sloan [email protected]
Computer and Information Sciences +1-205-932-2213
University of Alabama at Birmingham FAX +1-205-934-5473
Birmingham, AL 35294-1170 http://www.cis.uab.edu/sloan/
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