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Date: 18 May 2008 00:50:15
From: Sanny
Subject: Thankyou everyone for helping me improve GetClub Chess.
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Due to overwhelming support of Chess Players here GetClub Chess stands
where it is today.
Your Advices helped a lot in designing the Chess Software.
Today GetClub Chess stands as good as other Commercial Programs all
because of your help.
Now, GetClub Chess will be Commercially Launched. So that the players
interested in purchasing it can do so.
Keep giving your valuable suggestions.
A few suggestions were ignored as it was not possible for us to do
them as I do not fully understand how to do them. And it will take lot
of time and money in doing those changes.
Still if you have a small modification that can be done in 2-3 days
that will be very helpful.
Thankyou very much.
I am too greatful to Help Bot whose continued support kept GetClub
improving a lot.
Now, I will not further improve the GetClub Chess as I am busy with
Commercial issues. Now I am thinking how to get back the money I have
invested in this project. I have lot of debts that I have to recover
from it.
Please tell me or give me a list of sites from where people will
purchase GetClub Chess So that I display my program on all those
gaming Site. I will give 10% commision to the sellers.
Thanks for helping me so much. I am glad to have nice conversation
with so many good people arround the world.
Have a good day.
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 19 May 2008 12:11:36
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Thankyou everyone for helping me improve GetClub Chess.
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> Beginner: 1800+
I think this may be getting closer to the truth, although this still
seems quite on the high side, but I would *guess* that 1500-1600 may
in fact be closer, especially with the very dumb endgame play.
What will be the cost of GitClub when you market it, and will it
include source code? If you include source code (and give it away or
sell for a low price like $10) you might get a number of people
working on improvements.
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Date: 19 May 2008 09:39:19
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Thankyou everyone for helping me improve GetClub Chess.
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Great, What were the things that dissapoint you at the below url?
http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
Till now everyone was complaining the GetClub game is weak So I was
only concentrating on improving its strength.
Now no one complains it is weak But yes a lot of people say it is dull
and boring.
I got your idea you want the GetClub Chess to be interative and
suggest whether opponent move is good or bad. Thats a great idea and I
will look into that.
What were the most dissapointment you had at GetClub.
Can you tell me what made you feel sick and not play game there? As
you have not played It means you do not like the web design.
What should it lok like what are the things that are missing and you
wish if they were added that will make you feel better at GetClub
Chess?
> I want it to look nice!
What should be done to make it look nice?
> I want it to feel friendly!
What was unfriendly and you do not like?
> I want it to be fun!
Yes thats whay one is playing there How can that be made fun?
> I want it to make me better and get better itself so I always have a
> challange!
Yes there are 5 Levels to play with depending on your play strength.
Beginner: 80% player will loose
Easy: 90% players will loose
Normal: 95% players will loose
Master: 98% players will loose
Advance 99% players will loose.
So you may increase the leves as per your play strength.
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 20 May 2008 10:13:45
From: ave
Subject: Re: Thankyou everyone for helping me improve GetClub Chess.
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> Till now everyone was complaining the GetClub game is weak So I was
> only concentrating on improving its strength.
There is a difference between 'weak' and 'stupid'. I've seen people complain
that GetClub:
1. Does not follow the proper rules of chess.
2. Does not end a game correctly (in relation to offering\accepting draws).
There were also some issues with getclub doing some strange things with
piece advancement. And whilst I see you've taken notice of the complaints
and adjusted the program, I also see what you addressed did not actually fix
what the complaints were about.
> What were the most dissapointment you had at GetClub.
The typography, the colouring, it was not inviting. It did not look
friendly, it did not look interesting, it did not look professionally
produced, it did not look fun. When someone (who isn't there for purely
hobby interest purposes, ie. someone who might spend money) visits, they
will just leave because of all this. Regardless of how good the actual game
is.
> Yes there are 5 Levels to play with depending on your play strength.
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> Beginner: 80% player will loose
80% of players will lose? If that's the easiest level, why would I play
there then? I'm likely to never win and that isn't fun and it wont make me
better.
ave
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Date: 20 May 2008 15:43:57
From: ave
Subject: Re: Thankyou everyone for helping me improve GetClub Chess.
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> 80% of players will lose? If that's the easiest level, why would I play
> there then? I'm likely to never win and that isn't fun and it wont make me
> better.
I also want to clarify something. I'm not suggesting the program is 'dumbed
down' or to reverse work that has been done.
*Anyone* can write a chess program that loses, I could write a chess program
that just randomly chooses valid positions for a random piece and moves it.
I would probably win against that. But that, also, would not be 'fun'.
You can have fun by both winning and losing.
Losing all the time = not fun.
Winning all the time because opponent is useless = not fun
Losing but seeing your mistakes and how you can improve to maybe win next
time = fun
Winning because you played well, and so did your opponent = fun.
Simply, the game needs to be able to be adjusted so that it gives a good
game to all players. If it always beats someone they need an option to make
it play at their level, conversely, if someone always beats it they need a
way for it to play at their level. And even the worst chess player isn't
stupid and they will see when the computer "isn't trying" when they win.
It's one of the reasons Chess AI is a difficult thing to do, imho.
ave
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From: Martin Brown
Subject: Re: Thankyou everyone for helping me improve GetClub Chess.
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Date: 20 May 2008 16:43:27
From: ave
Subject: Re: Thankyou everyone for helping me improve GetClub Chess.
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>> You can have fun by both winning and losing.
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> What is surprising was that GetClub actually lost to the Turing Engine.
Yes, I read that in some posts. But the 'regular joe' wont know about it,
they wont know what the turing engine is. They wont know or even care. All
they would want is a fun game.
> The most fun is when the opponent makes a tiny mistake and you get to nuke
> him for it.
The definition of 'tiny mistake' varies greatly depends on your own ability.
But yes, catching the mistakes of others does make it fun. But only when you
perceive the opponent as at a similar or greater skill level than yourself.
> That is what computers singularly fail to offer.
Ofcourse, computers cannot make 'tiny mistakes'. To make them, they have to
be coded to do them 'on purpose' which kind of defeats the point of the
"tiny mistake", because it then becomes not a mistake at all.
> The hardest thing for engines to do is spot complex drawn positions. They
> will play on forever with a 1 pawn material advantage.
Whilst I agree this is a complex issue for computer engines to do, and do
not disagree with you at all. I would also say this doesn't affect the
amount of 'fun' to be had in the early and mid-game time frame. Merely when
drawn positions arise very late in the game game (relatively). Whilst
failing at this point can spoil the fun, it doesn't really change the
quality of the game beforehand which is what I was referring to.
ave
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From: Martin Brown
Subject: Re: Thankyou everyone for helping me improve GetClub Chess.
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Date: 20 May 2008 10:05:22
From: ave
Subject: Re: Thankyou everyone for helping me improve GetClub Chess.
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> What should it lok like what are the things that are missing and you
> wish if they were added that will make you feel better at GetClub
> Chess?
If you hire a professional web designer, they will make it all nice for you.
You don't need me to tell you whats wrong, you just need a professional to
work on it. I'm not a professional web designer.
ave
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Date: 19 May 2008 07:07:07
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Thankyou everyone for helping me improve GetClub Chess.
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> >Due to overwhelming support ofChessPlayers hereGetClubChessstands
> >where it is today.
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> You are annoying so I believe your product is SUCK too !!!
> No way I will visit your site and try your stupid program !!!
Please drink the Juice at GetClub. I am sure you will like it. It has
Onoin, Choclate and all flovour you want.
I am not good at Chess but GetClub Beginner Level beats 80% of the
average players.
And Easy & Normal even beat the Strong Players.
Rough rating of each levels is.
Beginner: 1800+
Easy: 1900+
Normal: 2000+
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 19 May 2008 15:40:06
From: ave
Subject: Re: Thankyou everyone for helping me improve GetClub Chess.
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> Please drink the Juice at GetClub. I am sure you will like it. It has
> Onoin, Choclate and all flovour you want.
Drinking onion juice doesn't sound very appealing -_-
> I am not good at Chess but GetClub Beginner Level beats 80% of the
> average players.
Tip.. This is a biggie.
It doesn't matter what % of players a chess engine can beat....
I *suck* at chess
I don't want to play some chess engine that kicks my ass all the time. I
mean, what's the fun in that?
I want a chess program that can be adjusted to a point where I could maybe
beat it and if I don't I can see where I went wrong.
I want a chess program that can offer me advice 'Hey, you know... maybe if
you did this move instead it would open all these other option..." so that I
can learn to play chess better.
I don't want the chess program to *always* offer tips, sometimes I want to
play on my own steam. So it has to be an option.
I want a chess program to have a database of famous games. That can walk
through the games and tell me "Look at this move by famous GM xyz! It opens
up this attack..." or "This move by famous GM zyx cost him the game
because...".
I want it to look nice!
I want it to feel friendly!
I want it to be fun!
I want it to make me better and get better itself so I always have a
challange!
It doesn't matter what % of players a chess engine can beat.
All that matters is that it's fun to play. The more people it's fun for the
more people will buy it.
And don't tell me to play chess at GetClub, I've visited the site and I
don't want to play there.
It doesn't look inviting, it doesn't look fun. These things you will have to
change if you want to make money.
ave
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Date: 19 May 2008 16:29:52
From: WebWalker
Subject: Re: Thankyou everyone for helping me improve GetClub Chess.
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On Sun, 18 May 2008 00:50:15 -0700 (PDT), Sanny
<[email protected] > wrote:
>Due to overwhelming support of Chess Players here GetClub Chess stands
>where it is today.
You are annoying so I believe your product is SUCK too !!!
No way I will visit your site and try your stupid program !!!
--
WebWalker
email: [email protected]
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Date: 18 May 2008 16:38:25
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=FCrgen_R.?=
Subject: Re: Thankyou everyone for helping me improve GetClub Chess.
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You are very welcome.
You should ask Sam Sloan for advice on how to market
your product. Sam Sloan has many years of experience
in marketing and publicity and, in particular, the
legal disputes that are an inevitable consequence.
Secondly you should apply to Larry Parr and his master
Dato Ching Ding Dong, who is the owner of a string of
Sweat Shops in the Far East. They will help you with
packaging, distributing and publicity issues and
will provide starting capital, because they love chess.
"Sanny" <[email protected] > schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:[email protected]...
> Due to overwhelming support of Chess Players here GetClub Chess stands
> where it is today.
>
> Your Advices helped a lot in designing the Chess Software.
>
> Today GetClub Chess stands as good as other Commercial Programs all
> because of your help.
>
> Now, GetClub Chess will be Commercially Launched. So that the players
> interested in purchasing it can do so.
>
> Keep giving your valuable suggestions.
>
> A few suggestions were ignored as it was not possible for us to do
> them as I do not fully understand how to do them. And it will take lot
> of time and money in doing those changes.
>
> Still if you have a small modification that can be done in 2-3 days
> that will be very helpful.
>
> Thankyou very much.
>
> I am too greatful to Help Bot whose continued support kept GetClub
> improving a lot.
>
> Now, I will not further improve the GetClub Chess as I am busy with
> Commercial issues. Now I am thinking how to get back the money I have
> invested in this project. I have lot of debts that I have to recover
> from it.
>
>
> Please tell me or give me a list of sites from where people will
> purchase GetClub Chess So that I display my program on all those
> gaming Site. I will give 10% commision to the sellers.
>
> Thanks for helping me so much. I am glad to have nice conversation
> with so many good people arround the world.
>
> Have a good day.
>
> Bye
> Sanny
>
> Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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