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Date: 09 Apr 2008 14:52:25
From: samsloan
Subject: Susan Polgar wants Jerry Hanken Fired
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Today, Susan Polgar posted the following on her chessdiscussion.com
http://www.chessdiscussion.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1031
The Jerry Hanken issue
Post by Susan Polgar on Wed Apr 09, 2008 3:03 pm
In spite of my good will toward the regrettable recent conduct by Mr.
Hanken, here is what he publicly stated this morning about my husband
and me:
"I believe that If they (Susan and Paul) ever got control of USCF
with a board majority by getting a couple of bootlickers elected while
both held onto their seats, it would be all over for the Federation!
They would suck the USCF dry and leave its hulk in a dumpster while
founding the "Polger Chess Federation". This is NOT a joke and I am
not an alarmist."
It is even more unfortunate that some board members are continuing to
look the other way to protect an individual like this while continuing
to offer him paid USCF projects. This is one of the things I brought
up before and spoke out against. One of the reasons why the USCF is
often in financial difficulties is because we continue to award paid
projects to friends and insiders instead of getting the best people
for the job.
I hope that Mr. Goichberg and his board majority will speak out
against such regrettable statement and conduct by Mr. Hanken and
revoke all paid assignments from individuals like this. What does it
say when board members and the USCF see nothing wrong with this and
continue to support such individuals?
Susan Polgar
http://www.SusanPolgar.blogspot.com
http://www.SusanPolgar.com
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Date: 14 Apr 2008 06:40:19
From: zdrakec
Subject: Re: Susan Polgar wants Jerry Hanken Fired
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>
> Wrong. =A0The election was not fair given the FSS posts. =A0
This contention is devoid of rationality, as has been explained
before. Sheesh. And you were a judge?
Scorn, and slight regard,
zdrakec
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Date: 13 Apr 2008 09:28:16
From: samsloan
Subject: Re: Susan Polgar wants Jerry Hanken Fired
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On Apr 12, 10:38 pm, Randy Bauer <[email protected] > wrote:
> On Apr 12, 6:46 pm, Brian Lafferty <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > EZoto wrote:
> > >> What is becoming increasingly clear over time is that Ms. Polgar
> > >> apparently has no idea of how the democratic political process works and
> > >> the fact that we have freedom of speech in the United States.
>
> > > What do you know of it. Paul and Susan won the election fair and
> > > square and all you losers are upset over it. Now your trying to take
> > > him out of office because your not the bosses anymore. Wait till next
> > > election and then you and the people can vote him out of office.
> > > Something Sam sloan doesn't understand. But then in this country you
> > > have a right to sue to I suppose no matter how frivolous the lawsuit.
>
> > > EZoto
>
> > Wrong. The election was not fair given the FSS posts. We'll see what
> > the courts eventually decide.
>
> Oh, please - that is absolute baloney. Fairness in an election is
> based on the ability of the voters to participate. If it was based on
> the possibility that untruths were spoken, there would be few members
> of Congress seated.
>
> Besides, are you suggesting that Sam Sloan, who barely escaped last
> place, would have won a seat if not for the FSS posts? That is too
> absurd for words - Brian, you need to get out more often.
>
> Randy Bauer
Try another question.
Do you think that you, Randy Bauer, would have been elected had you
not been on the Polgar Ticket?
Remember that when you last ran in 2005 you lost badly.
Thus, it seems likely that it was support from Polgar that put you
over the top.
Try another question: Do you think that if the election were held
today, with Polgar no longer supporting you, you would still be
elected?
Sam Sloan
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Date: 12 Apr 2008 20:05:09
From:
Subject: Re: Susan Polgar wants Jerry Hanken Fired
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On Apr 12, 9:38 pm, Randy Bauer <[email protected] > wrote:
> On Apr 12, 6:46 pm, Brian Lafferty <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > EZoto wrote:
> > >> What is becoming increasingly clear over time is that Ms. Polgar
> > >> apparently has no idea of how the democratic political process works and
> > >> the fact that we have freedom of speech in the United States.
>
> > > What do you know of it. Paul and Susan won the election fair and
> > > square and all you losers are upset over it. Now your trying to take
> > > him out of office because your not the bosses anymore. Wait till next
> > > election and then you and the people can vote him out of office.
> > > Something Sam sloan doesn't understand. But then in this country you
> > > have a right to sue to I suppose no matter how frivolous the lawsuit.
>
> > > EZoto
>
> > Wrong. The election was not fair given the FSS posts. We'll see what
> > the courts eventually decide.
>
> Oh, please - that is absolute baloney. Fairness in an election is
> based on the ability of the voters to participate. If it was based on
> the possibility that untruths were spoken, there would be few members
> of Congress seated.
>
> Besides, are you suggesting that Sam Sloan, who barely escaped last
> place, would have won a seat if not for the FSS posts? That is too
> absurd for words - Brian, you need to get out more often.
>
> Randy Bauer
Have you considered challenging Kirsan, Randy?
http://www.fide.com/component/content/article/2-articles/1327-fide-videos
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Date: 12 Apr 2008 19:38:15
From: Randy Bauer
Subject: Re: Susan Polgar wants Jerry Hanken Fired
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On Apr 12, 6:46=A0pm, Brian Lafferty <[email protected] > wrote:
> EZoto wrote:
> >> What is becoming increasingly clear over time is that Ms. Polgar
> >> apparently has no idea of how the democratic political process works an=
d
> >> the fact that we have freedom of speech in the United States.
>
> > What do you know of it. =A0Paul and Susan won the election fair and
> > square and all you losers are upset over it. =A0Now your trying to take
> > him out of office because your not the bosses anymore. =A0Wait till next=
> > election and then you and the people can vote him out of office.
> > Something Sam sloan doesn't understand. =A0But then in this country you
> > have a right to sue to I suppose no matter how frivolous the lawsuit.
>
> > EZoto
>
> Wrong. =A0The election was not fair given the FSS posts. =A0We'll see what=
> the courts eventually decide.
Oh, please - that is absolute baloney. Fairness in an election is
based on the ability of the voters to participate. If it was based on
the possibility that untruths were spoken, there would be few members
of Congress seated.
Besides, are you suggesting that Sam Sloan, who barely escaped last
place, would have won a seat if not for the FSS posts? That is too
absurd for words - Brian, you need to get out more often.
Randy Bauer
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Date: 13 Apr 2008 11:38:57
From: Brian Lafferty
Subject: Re: Susan Polgar wants Jerry Hanken Fired
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Randy Bauer wrote:
> On Apr 12, 6:46 pm, Brian Lafferty <[email protected]> wrote:
>> EZoto wrote:
>>>> What is becoming increasingly clear over time is that Ms. Polgar
>>>> apparently has no idea of how the democratic political process works and
>>>> the fact that we have freedom of speech in the United States.
>>> What do you know of it. Paul and Susan won the election fair and
>>> square and all you losers are upset over it. Now your trying to take
>>> him out of office because your not the bosses anymore. Wait till next
>>> election and then you and the people can vote him out of office.
>>> Something Sam sloan doesn't understand. But then in this country you
>>> have a right to sue to I suppose no matter how frivolous the lawsuit.
>>> EZoto
>> Wrong. The election was not fair given the FSS posts. We'll see what
>> the courts eventually decide.
>
> Oh, please - that is absolute baloney. Fairness in an election is
> based on the ability of the voters to participate. If it was based on
> the possibility that untruths were spoken, there would be few members
> of Congress seated.
We'll just have to agree to disagree.
>
> Besides, are you suggesting that Sam Sloan, who barely escaped last
> place, would have won a seat if not for the FSS posts? That is too
> absurd for words - Brian, you need to get out more often.
Not Sloan. But it may have kept Jones off the board.
>
> Randy Bauer
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Date: 11 Apr 2008 11:21:00
From: samsloan
Subject: Re: Susan Polgar wants Jerry Hanken Fired
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From: Jessica Lauser <[email protected] >
To: <[email protected] >
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 22:53:29 -0700
Subject: A perfectly sound 'exchange'
Dear Fred,
I've recently heard an interesting version of a verbal exchange
between Jerry and Susan Polgar, at last year's National Open, going
around. As a rule, I generally stay out of chess politics because my
own life is interesting enough without the added drama. In this case,
however, I felt it best to set the record straight since I personally
witnessed, first-hand, the conversation in question, and my
experience, in no way, matches what is apparently being touted as
fact.
The 'incident' itself, lasted all of a couple minutes, and took place
the night Jerry got into the Riviera, after I had gone with a member
of the staff, if you recall, to pick him up at the airport. We had
arrived a few minutes earlier, had gotten checked in, and were waiting
at the bell desk for assistance with Jerry's luggage, when he noticed
Susan Polgar waiting at the front desk, nearby.
When he recognized her standing there, he said to me, in a pleasant
tone, "Oh, there's Susan Polgar, I think I'll go and say hello." He
then nudged his cart the 5 or 6 feet over to her, and I listened to
them talk quietly, the entire time.
Upon exchanging hellos, Jerry told Susan not to worry - that he wasn't
going to get into any political debates with her during this trip, but
that he hoped things could be civil between them. Susan seemed a
little hesitant, responding without saying much. Pretty soon, they
ended on reasonable terms after Jerry said, again pleasantly, "Oh, and
congratulations on your marriage." to which Susan replied with a
simple, albeit flat, "Thank you." before Jerry rode away. From what I
could tell, there was no unpleasantness, nor any indication that Jerry
could have offended Susan, so it's rather confusing to hear of another
rendition of what happened, especially one so fundamentally different.
Simply put, there was no shouting, raised voices, or any "abuse"
whatsoever. In fact, I may be visually impaired, but my limitation in
this way, has left me with excellent hearing. I sometimes regret this
ability when I encounter certain kinds of metal detectors, as I can
hear the high-pitched tones they emit, to which fully-sighted folks
seem luckily oblivious.
At any rate, the atmosphere of the exchange was very calm, and quiet,
and, besides myself, there were even 2-3 people in line, behind Susan,
who were standing there, yawning tiredly, likely after a long trip. I
highly doubt their quiet reverie would have been possible in the face
of a horrendous shouting- or cursing-match. In addition to the other
guests, there were also a number of hotel employees present, from the
receptionists behind the desk, to those running the snack kiosk
opposite where Jerry and I were standing.
All in all, the reports of what took place are blatantly false. I'm
sure that had there been the kind of exchange that is being cited as
fact by the proponents of the Polgar camp, it would have been the talk
of the tournament, immediately, before the first round had even begun,
long before now, rather than merely 'surfacing' nearly a year after
the conversation in question initially took place.
I hope this helps clear up any further confusion about this particular
incident. As a chessplayer, I can honestly say, that the 'exchange'
here was 'perfectly sound'.
Best regards,
-Jessica Lauser
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Date: 10 Apr 2008 19:27:17
From: samsloan
Subject: Re: Susan Polgar wants Jerry Hanken Fired
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In a message dated 4/9/2008 9:52:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
JerryHanken writes:
Dear Susan, I note that you have written a "confidential" email
repeating the same old mistatements about me to 29 people but, of
course, not to me. Golly, someone (or more) of those must have
"leaked" it to me. It's a new scandal!!
I don't want to waste my time refuting your nonsense in detail,
but Jim Berry remembers our Oak Brook encounter quite differently than
you describe, your description of our conversation in Las Vegas is
pure fiction, and I never asked you or Paul for a job.
You demand that I be fired as a writer for Chess Life. If your tales
about me are correct, even though I have written for 16 Chess Life
editors, perhaps I should not get future assignments. Of course, what
you say about me is not true at all, so shouldn't you resign from the
EB, along with Paul who should have quit long ago for refusing to
cooperate with the fake Sloan investigation?
I am copying the same 29 people you wrote to, and DARE you to put this
on your website which is filled with phony "anonymous posts" blasting
your critics and where those who disagree that you are the greatest
thing ever to happen to American chess are quickly silenced.
Of course, I am NOT marking this reply as confidential so it may
appear in lots of places. "Murder, though it hath no tongue, will
speak with most miraculous organ." You are a wonderful player, but
many people are becoming aware that you and Paul have little interest
in the USCF, except for what you can get from it. The truth will
prevail. Regards, Jerry Hanken
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Date: 11 Apr 2008 11:40:49
From: Brian Lafferty
Subject: Re: Susan Polgar wants Jerry Hanken Fired
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samsloan wrote:
> In a message dated 4/9/2008 9:52:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> JerryHanken writes:
>
> Dear Susan, I note that you have written a "confidential" email
> repeating the same old mistatements about me to 29 people but, of
> course, not to me. Golly, someone (or more) of those must have
> "leaked" it to me. It's a new scandal!!
>
> I don't want to waste my time refuting your nonsense in detail,
> but Jim Berry remembers our Oak Brook encounter quite differently than
> you describe, your description of our conversation in Las Vegas is
> pure fiction, and I never asked you or Paul for a job.
>
> You demand that I be fired as a writer for Chess Life. If your tales
> about me are correct, even though I have written for 16 Chess Life
> editors, perhaps I should not get future assignments. Of course, what
> you say about me is not true at all, so shouldn't you resign from the
> EB, along with Paul who should have quit long ago for refusing to
> cooperate with the fake Sloan investigation?
>
> I am copying the same 29 people you wrote to, and DARE you to put this
> on your website which is filled with phony "anonymous posts" blasting
> your critics and where those who disagree that you are the greatest
> thing ever to happen to American chess are quickly silenced.
>
> Of course, I am NOT marking this reply as confidential so it may
> appear in lots of places. "Murder, though it hath no tongue, will
> speak with most miraculous organ." You are a wonderful player, but
> many people are becoming aware that you and Paul have little interest
> in the USCF, except for what you can get from it. The truth will
> prevail. Regards, Jerry Hanken
Jerry makes good points about the Trolgar state media led by its chief
censor, Commissar Gregory le Petit.
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Date: 10 Apr 2008 13:13:27
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Susan Polgar wants Jerry Hanken Fired
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On Apr 10, 1:48=A0pm, Mike Murray <[email protected] > wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 10:18:33 -0700 (PDT),
> "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >I'll weigh in on the side of not bringing this up. Many parent's
> >decisions seem weird and creepy to other parents. I knew of parents
> >who washed their children's mouths out with soap, which seems creepy
> >to me, but it does no lasting harm and I am sure they were doing what
> >they thought was best; they also had probably had it done to them, and
> >felt it was normal. Hot saucing seems about the same. I wouldn't do
> >it, but it does not seem so out of the range of normal behavior as to
> >make an issue of it. The father has the right to bring it up, but I
> >don't think we do. In particular, it is the sort of thing parents do
> >which they think is best for their children. It is less likely to
> >cause serious damage than various other forms of discipline which are
> >still practiced in this country.
>
> Normally, I'd agree with you, but given Truong and Polgar's
> involvement with scholastic chess, it's probably something that
> parents of prospective clients should evaluate. =A0
I think it is still too much of a stretch. If there are accusations as
to what they did to other people's children, that is a different
matter.
Jerry Spinrad
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Date: 10 Apr 2008 20:43:56
From: Ray Gordon, creator of the \pivot\
Subject: Re: Susan Polgar wants Jerry Hanken Fired
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>I think it is still too much of a stretch. If
>there are accusations as
>to what they did to other people's
>children, that is a different
>matter.
Susan's ex-husband is the "other person" in this case.
--
Ray Gordon, The ORIGINAL Lifestyle Seduction Guru
Finding Your A-Game:
http://www.cybersheet.com/library.html
Includes 29 Reasons Not To Be A Nice Guy (FREE!)
The book Neil Strauss and VH-1 STOLE The Pivot From
Click HERE: for the ORIGINAL pivot chapter:
http://www.cybersheet.com/pivot.pdf
Here's my Myspace Page: And Pickup Blog (FREE advice)
http://www.myspace.com/snodgrasspublishing
Don't rely on overexposed, mass-marketed commercial seduction methods which
no longer work. Learn the methods the gurus USE with the money they make
from what they teach.
Thinking of taking a seduction "workshiop?" Read THIS:
http://www.dirtyscottsdale.com/?p=1187
Beware! VH-1's "The Pickup Artst" was FRAUDULENT. Six of the eight
contestants were actors, and they used PAID TARGETS in the club. The paid
targets got mad when VH-1 said "there are no actors in this club" and ruined
their prromised acting credit. What else has Mystery lied about?
Jerry Spinrad
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Date: 10 Apr 2008 11:26:37
From: zdrakec
Subject: Re: Susan Polgar wants Jerry Hanken Fired
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On Apr 10, 9:21=A0am, Brian Lafferty <[email protected] > wrote:
> zdrakec wrote:
> >> To be charitable to Susie Chesspiece, her up bringing in a totalitarian=
> >> society with an authoritarian father is probably what has led to he
> >> stunted political outlook. =A0I'm surprised she didn't suggest dousing
> >> Hanken's mouth with hot sauce.
>
> > Whatever your opinion of Susan Polgar, that last remark was unworthy
> > of a gentleman. You should be ashamed for making it, sir.
>
> > zdrakec
>
> There's precedent for it in their household according to what her kids
> told a guardian ad litem. =A0They're quite the enlightened couple. =A0Hot
> sauce, blond jokes, slanderous attacks on people like Hanken and Lux,
> not to mention being Fake Sam Sloanish, etc. Truth bites.
That does not give justification to make insulting innuendoes. I'm
sure that you yourself have never done anything that could be
considered wrong, but just in case you have, remember to keep that
first stone firmly in your fist.
Mind you, I also fail to restrain my pen and tongue from time to time,
but that remark was really uncalled-for - IMHO.
zdrakec
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Date: 10 Apr 2008 10:18:33
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Susan Polgar wants Jerry Hanken Fired
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I'll weigh in on the side of not bringing this up. Many parent's
decisions seem weird and creepy to other parents. I knew of parents
who washed their children's mouths out with soap, which seems creepy
to me, but it does no lasting harm and I am sure they were doing what
they thought was best; they also had probably had it done to them, and
felt it was normal. Hot saucing seems about the same. I wouldn't do
it, but it does not seem so out of the range of normal behavior as to
make an issue of it. The father has the right to bring it up, but I
don't think we do. In particular, it is the sort of thing parents do
which they think is best for their children. It is less likely to
cause serious damage than various other forms of discipline which are
still practiced in this country.
Jerry Spinrad
On Apr 10, 11:54=A0am, Brian Lafferty <[email protected] > wrote:
> [email protected] wrote:
> > Ray Gordon, creator of the "pivot" wrote:
>
> >> Wouldn't someone so offended by speech like that be MORE
> >> offended by "hot saucing" children?
>
> > Hey ace, got a record of a conviction in a court of law or of
> > child protective services taking action, or just an assertion?
>
> I've got a copy of the court order directing no hot saucing. =A0And I've
> heard about it directly from the kid's father who was in court when the
> guardian ad litem brought it to the court's attention. =A0Facts. Not
> assertions.
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Date: 10 Apr 2008 11:48:44
From: Mike Murray
Subject: Re: Susan Polgar wants Jerry Hanken Fired
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On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 10:18:33 -0700 (PDT),
"[email protected]" <[email protected] >
wrote:
>I'll weigh in on the side of not bringing this up. Many parent's
>decisions seem weird and creepy to other parents. I knew of parents
>who washed their children's mouths out with soap, which seems creepy
>to me, but it does no lasting harm and I am sure they were doing what
>they thought was best; they also had probably had it done to them, and
>felt it was normal. Hot saucing seems about the same. I wouldn't do
>it, but it does not seem so out of the range of normal behavior as to
>make an issue of it. The father has the right to bring it up, but I
>don't think we do. In particular, it is the sort of thing parents do
>which they think is best for their children. It is less likely to
>cause serious damage than various other forms of discipline which are
>still practiced in this country.
Normally, I'd agree with you, but given Truong and Polgar's
involvement with scholastic chess, it's probably something that
parents of prospective clients should evaluate.
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Date: 10 Apr 2008 20:59:29
From: Brian Lafferty
Subject: Re: Susan Polgar wants Jerry Hanken Fired
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Mike Murray wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 10:18:33 -0700 (PDT),
> "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> I'll weigh in on the side of not bringing this up. Many parent's
>> decisions seem weird and creepy to other parents. I knew of parents
>> who washed their children's mouths out with soap, which seems creepy
>> to me, but it does no lasting harm and I am sure they were doing what
>> they thought was best; they also had probably had it done to them, and
>> felt it was normal. Hot saucing seems about the same. I wouldn't do
>> it, but it does not seem so out of the range of normal behavior as to
>> make an issue of it. The father has the right to bring it up, but I
>> don't think we do. In particular, it is the sort of thing parents do
>> which they think is best for their children. It is less likely to
>> cause serious damage than various other forms of discipline which are
>> still practiced in this country.
>
> Normally, I'd agree with you, but given Truong and Polgar's
> involvement with scholastic chess, it's probably something that
> parents of prospective clients should evaluate.
I agree. For parents to make that decision intelligently, they need to
know all the facts.
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Date: 10 Apr 2008 18:02:42
From: Brian Lafferty
Subject: Re: Susan Polgar wants Jerry Hanken Fired
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[email protected] wrote:
> I'll weigh in on the side of not bringing this up. Many parent's
> decisions seem weird and creepy to other parents. I knew of parents
> who washed their children's mouths out with soap, which seems creepy
> to me, but it does no lasting harm and I am sure they were doing what
> they thought was best; they also had probably had it done to them, and
> felt it was normal. Hot saucing seems about the same. I wouldn't do
> it, but it does not seem so out of the range of normal behavior as to
> make an issue of it. The father has the right to bring it up, but I
> don't think we do. In particular, it is the sort of thing parents do
> which they think is best for their children. It is less likely to
> cause serious damage than various other forms of discipline which are
> still practiced in this country.
>
>
>
> Jerry Spinrad
>
> On Apr 10, 11:54 am, Brian Lafferty <[email protected]> wrote:
>> [email protected] wrote:
>>> Ray Gordon, creator of the "pivot" wrote:
>>>> Wouldn't someone so offended by speech like that be MORE
>>>> offended by "hot saucing" children?
>>> Hey ace, got a record of a conviction in a court of law or of
>>> child protective services taking action, or just an assertion?
>> I've got a copy of the court order directing no hot saucing. And I've
>> heard about it directly from the kid's father who was in court when the
>> guardian ad litem brought it to the court's attention. Facts. Not
>> assertions.
>
There is a great deal of debate as to culture and hot saucing. The
trend seems to be for the courts and legislatures to increasingly view
it as child abuse. What research is showing is that the kids with
significant behavior problems were invariably subject to some form of
corporeal punishment as a disciplinary measure. How far can a parent go
before it's abuse? Consult your attorney or local department of child
protective services.
I will say this, I'd never let a child under my care go anywhere with
Mr. Truong unless I or a parent I trusted implicitly were there at all
times. Just my opinion. Opinions will vary.
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Date: 10 Apr 2008 10:11:16
From:
Subject: Re: Susan Polgar wants Jerry Hanken Fired
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On Apr 10, 11:54=A0am, Brian Lafferty <[email protected] > wrote:
> [email protected] wrote:
> > Ray Gordon, creator of the "pivot" wrote:
>
> >> Wouldn't someone so offended by speech like that be MORE
> >> offended by "hot saucing" children?
>
> > Hey ace, got a record of a conviction in a court of law or of
> > child protective services taking action, or just an assertion?
>
> I've got a copy of the court order directing no hot saucing. =A0And I've
> heard about it directly from the kid's father who was in court when the
> guardian ad litem brought it to the court's attention. =A0Facts. Not
> assertions.
thank god mr hanken didnt hotsace anyone
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Date: 10 Apr 2008 13:17:38
From: Ray Gordon, creator of the \pivot\
Subject: Re: Susan Polgar wants Jerry Hanken Fired
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>directing no hot saucing. And I've
> heard about it directly from the kid's father who was in court when the
> guardian ad litem brought it to the court's attention. Facts. Not
> assertions.
>>thank god mr hanken didnt hotsace anyone
Given Bill's responses in the past, shouldn't he be OUTRAGED by these FACTS?
Why the kid-gloves treatment and deflection by humor?
--
Ray Gordon, The ORIGINAL Lifestyle Seduction Guru
Finding Your A-Game:
http://www.cybersheet.com/library.html
Includes 29 Reasons Not To Be A Nice Guy (FREE!)
The book Neil Strauss and VH-1 STOLE The Pivot From
Click HERE: for the ORIGINAL pivot chapter:
http://www.cybersheet.com/pivot.pdf
Here's my Myspace Page: And Pickup Blog (FREE advice)
http://www.myspace.com/snodgrasspublishing
Don't rely on overexposed, mass-marketed commercial seduction methods which
no longer work. Learn the methods the gurus USE with the money they make
from what they teach.
Thinking of taking a seduction "workshiop?" Read THIS:
http://www.dirtyscottsdale.com/?p=1187
Beware! VH-1's "The Pickup Artst" was FRAUDULENT. Six of the eight
contestants were actors, and they used PAID TARGETS in the club. The paid
targets got mad when VH-1 said "there are no actors in this club" and ruined
their prromised acting credit. What else has Mystery lied about?
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Date: 10 Apr 2008 07:02:20
From: zdrakec
Subject: Re: Susan Polgar wants Jerry Hanken Fired
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> To be charitable to Susie Chesspiece, her up bringing in a totalitarian
> society with an authoritarian father is probably what has led to he
> stunted political outlook. =A0I'm surprised she didn't suggest dousing
> Hanken's mouth with hot sauce.
>
Whatever your opinion of Susan Polgar, that last remark was unworthy
of a gentleman. You should be ashamed for making it, sir.
zdrakec
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Date: 10 Apr 2008 10:31:17
From: Ray Gordon, creator of the \pivot\
Subject: Re: Susan Polgar wants Jerry Hanken Fired
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> To be charitable to Susie Chesspiece, her up bringing in a totalitarian
> society with an authoritarian father is probably what has led to he
> stunted political outlook. I'm surprised she didn't suggest dousing
> Hanken's mouth with hot sauce.
>
>Whatever your opinion of Susan Polgar,
>that last remark was unworthy
>of a gentleman. You should be ashamed
>for making it, sir.
Wouldn't someone so offended by speech like that be MORE offended by "hot
saucing" children?
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Date: 10 Apr 2008 15:23:05
From:
Subject: Re: Susan Polgar wants Jerry Hanken Fired
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Ray Gordon, creator of the "pivot" wrote:
>Wouldn't someone so offended by speech like that be MORE
>offended by "hot saucing" children?
Hey ace, got a record of a conviction in a court of law or of
child protective services taking action, or just an assertion?
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Date: 10 Apr 2008 16:54:01
From: Brian Lafferty
Subject: Re: Susan Polgar wants Jerry Hanken Fired
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[email protected] wrote:
> Ray Gordon, creator of the "pivot" wrote:
>
>> Wouldn't someone so offended by speech like that be MORE
>> offended by "hot saucing" children?
>
> Hey ace, got a record of a conviction in a court of law or of
> child protective services taking action, or just an assertion?
>
>
I've got a copy of the court order directing no hot saucing. And I've
heard about it directly from the kid's father who was in court when the
guardian ad litem brought it to the court's attention. Facts. Not
assertions.
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Date: 10 Apr 2008 16:25:25
From: Chess One
Subject: Re: Susan Polgar wants Jerry Hanken Fired
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"Brian Lafferty" <[email protected] > wrote in message
news:JCrLj.4457$bQ1.3110@trndny09...
> [email protected] wrote:
>> Ray Gordon, creator of the "pivot" wrote:
>>
>>> Wouldn't someone so offended by speech like that be MORE offended by
>>> "hot saucing" children?
>>
>> Hey ace, got a record of a conviction in a court of law or of child
>> protective services taking action, or just an assertion?
>>
>>
> I've got a copy of the court order directing no hot saucing.
Hey Deuce!
Is that a pro-forma injunction requiring the court to record it, and any
more than that? Does it indicate any necessary truth in the accusation?
Come on line-Judge, honesty time, or is the truth above you?
:)))
Phil Innes
> And I've heard about it directly from the kid's father who was in court
> when the guardian ad litem brought it to the court's attention. Facts.
> Not assertions.
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Date: 10 Apr 2008 21:07:02
From: Brian Lafferty
Subject: Re: Susan Polgar wants Jerry Hanken Fired
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Chess One wrote:
> "Brian Lafferty" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:JCrLj.4457$bQ1.3110@trndny09...
>> [email protected] wrote:
>>> Ray Gordon, creator of the "pivot" wrote:
>>>
>>>> Wouldn't someone so offended by speech like that be MORE offended by
>>>> "hot saucing" children?
>>> Hey ace, got a record of a conviction in a court of law or of child
>>> protective services taking action, or just an assertion?
>>>
>>>
>> I've got a copy of the court order directing no hot saucing.
>
> Hey Deuce!
>
> Is that a pro-forma injunction requiring the court to record it, and any
> more than that?
Your ignorance is showing Bowel Boy. The children's father tells me
that his kids told the guardian ad litem, in private, what was being
done to them. The guardian, quite properly, told the court. The court
issued its order.
Does it indicate any necessary truth in the accusation?
You decide. What motive would the kids have to lie to the guardian ad
litem when they have such an idyllic life with Chesspiece and the
Pufferfish. Next interview you do, ask the Pufferfish. Ask him to sign
a sworn statement if he denies it. Do you have the balls to ask the
question BB? :-)
>
> Come on line-Judge, honesty time, or is the truth above you?
>
> :)))
>
> Phil Innes
>
>> And I've heard about it directly from the kid's father who was in court
>> when the guardian ad litem brought it to the court's attention. Facts.
>> Not assertions.
>
>
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Date: 10 Apr 2008 14:21:42
From: Brian Lafferty
Subject: Re: Susan Polgar wants Jerry Hanken Fired
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zdrakec wrote:
>> To be charitable to Susie Chesspiece, her up bringing in a totalitarian
>> society with an authoritarian father is probably what has led to he
>> stunted political outlook. I'm surprised she didn't suggest dousing
>> Hanken's mouth with hot sauce.
>>
>
> Whatever your opinion of Susan Polgar, that last remark was unworthy
> of a gentleman. You should be ashamed for making it, sir.
>
> zdrakec
>
There's precedent for it in their household according to what her kids
told a guardian ad litem. They're quite the enlightened couple. Hot
sauce, blond jokes, slanderous attacks on people like Hanken and Lux,
not to mention being Fake Sam Sloanish, etc. Truth bites.
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Date: 10 Apr 2008 00:37:29
From: Brian Lafferty
Subject: Re: Susan Polgar wants Jerry Hanken Fired
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samsloan wrote:
> Today, Susan Polgar posted the following on her chessdiscussion.com
>
> http://www.chessdiscussion.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1031
>
> The Jerry Hanken issue
>
> Post by Susan Polgar on Wed Apr 09, 2008 3:03 pm
>
> In spite of my good will toward the regrettable recent conduct by Mr.
> Hanken, here is what he publicly stated this morning about my husband
> and me:
>
> "I believe that If they (Susan and Paul) ever got control of USCF
> with a board majority by getting a couple of bootlickers elected while
> both held onto their seats, it would be all over for the Federation!
> They would suck the USCF dry and leave its hulk in a dumpster while
> founding the "Polger Chess Federation". This is NOT a joke and I am
> not an alarmist."
>
> It is even more unfortunate that some board members are continuing to
> look the other way to protect an individual like this while continuing
> to offer him paid USCF projects. This is one of the things I brought
> up before and spoke out against. One of the reasons why the USCF is
> often in financial difficulties is because we continue to award paid
> projects to friends and insiders instead of getting the best people
> for the job.
>
> I hope that Mr. Goichberg and his board majority will speak out
> against such regrettable statement and conduct by Mr. Hanken and
> revoke all paid assignments from individuals like this. What does it
> say when board members and the USCF see nothing wrong with this and
> continue to support such individuals?
>
> Susan Polgar
> http://www.SusanPolgar.blogspot.com
> http://www.SusanPolgar.com
What is becoming increasingly clear over time is that Ms. Polgar
apparently has no idea of how the democratic political process works and
the fact that we have freedom of speech in the United States. The right
to speak truth to power is what men and women have given their lives for
in founding and defending this country.
To be charitable to Susie Chesspiece, her up bringing in a totalitarian
society with an authoritarian father is probably what has led to he
stunted political outlook. I'm surprised she didn't suggest dousing
Hanken's mouth with hot sauce.
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Date: 12 Apr 2008 18:31:18
From: EZoto
Subject: Re: Susan Polgar wants Jerry Hanken Fired
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>What is becoming increasingly clear over time is that Ms. Polgar
>apparently has no idea of how the democratic political process works and
>the fact that we have freedom of speech in the United States.
What do you know of it. Paul and Susan won the election fair and
square and all you losers are upset over it. Now your trying to take
him out of office because your not the bosses anymore. Wait till next
election and then you and the people can vote him out of office.
Something Sam sloan doesn't understand. But then in this country you
have a right to sue to I suppose no matter how frivolous the lawsuit.
EZoto
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Date: 12 Apr 2008 23:46:43
From: Brian Lafferty
Subject: Re: Susan Polgar wants Jerry Hanken Fired
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EZoto wrote:
>> What is becoming increasingly clear over time is that Ms. Polgar
>> apparently has no idea of how the democratic political process works and
>> the fact that we have freedom of speech in the United States.
>
> What do you know of it. Paul and Susan won the election fair and
> square and all you losers are upset over it. Now your trying to take
> him out of office because your not the bosses anymore. Wait till next
> election and then you and the people can vote him out of office.
> Something Sam sloan doesn't understand. But then in this country you
> have a right to sue to I suppose no matter how frivolous the lawsuit.
>
> EZoto
Wrong. The election was not fair given the FSS posts. We'll see what
the courts eventually decide.
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Date: 13 Apr 2008 20:51:28
From:
Subject: Re: Susan Polgar wants Jerry Hanken Fired
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On Sat, 12 Apr 2008 23:46:43 GMT, Brian Lafferty
<[email protected] > wrote:
>EZoto wrote:
>>> What is becoming increasingly clear over time is that Ms. Polgar
>>> apparently has no idea of how the democratic political process works and
>>> the fact that we have freedom of speech in the United States.
>>
>> What do you know of it. Paul and Susan won the election fair and
>> square and all you losers are upset over it. Now your trying to take
>> him out of office because your not the bosses anymore. Wait till next
>> election and then you and the people can vote him out of office.
>> Something Sam sloan doesn't understand. But then in this country you
>> have a right to sue to I suppose no matter how frivolous the lawsuit.
>>
>> EZoto
>Wrong. The election was not fair given the FSS posts. We'll see what
>the courts eventually decide.
Do you really think that the FSS post changed the results???? Sloan is
a twit and it certainly showed by his idiotic actions. Just take one
look at his disturbing web page... that probably had far more of an
impact on the election than obvious fake posts.
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Date: 12 Apr 2008 22:26:40
From: EZoto
Subject: Re: Susan Polgar wants Jerry Hanken Fired
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On Sat, 12 Apr 2008 23:46:43 GMT, Brian Lafferty
<[email protected] > wrote:
>EZoto wrote:
>>> What is becoming increasingly clear over time is that Ms. Polgar
>>> apparently has no idea of how the democratic political process works and
>>> the fact that we have freedom of speech in the United States.
>>
>> What do you know of it. Paul and Susan won the election fair and
>> square and all you losers are upset over it. Now your trying to take
>> him out of office because your not the bosses anymore. Wait till next
>> election and then you and the people can vote him out of office.
>> Something Sam sloan doesn't understand. But then in this country you
>> have a right to sue to I suppose no matter how frivolous the lawsuit.
>>
>> EZoto
>Wrong. The election was not fair given the FSS posts. We'll see what
>the courts eventually decide.
And lets say the courts decide. What makes you think with the
behavoir shown here from you clowns would anyone want you guys in
office. If the courts decide then so be it. But there is no way
anyone would want you clowns either. Your behavoir as former elected
officials is reprehensible.
EZoto
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