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Date: 31 Oct 2006 11:24:00
From: Taylor Kingston
Subject: Search Malfunction in ChessBase?
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Another thread asked about the seldom-played opening line
1. e4 e6
2. d4 d5
3. Nc3 Nf6
4. Bg5 Be7
5. Bxf6 Bxf6
6. e5 Bg5
7. h4
I plugged this line to CB Reader's position search, and had it search
through the CB MegaDatabase 2005. To my surprise, it returned hundreds
of games. However, looking at a few ob of them, it turned out they
actually involved the Alekhine-Chatard Attack, 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3
Nf6 4.Bg5 Be7 5.e5 Nfd7 6.h4 Bxg5 etc.
The difference is that in the search position, there is no knight on
d7, but in the games CB Reader listed, there is. So the search function
was malfunctioning, returning games that actually did not match the
position entered. Has anyone else encountered this flaw?
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From: Martin Brown
Subject: Re: Search Malfunction in ChessBase?
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Date: 04 Nov 2006 10:09:45
From: Taylor Kingston
Subject: Re: Search Malfunction in ChessBase?
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On Nov 3, 2:59 pm, Jud McCranie <[email protected] >
wrote:
> There are definitely bugs in their search system. I informed them of
> one more than a month ago. It was different, however. I told it to
> show all games with promotions in a dataset, and it definitely missed
> at least one.
Jud, to what e-mail address did you send your complaint? Do they have
a tech support department that answers queries? Perhaps there is a
patch for my problems.
The worst one is that after a search, if I try to play through any of
the games on the search list, the program usually abends or freezes.
Only about 10-20% of the time will it actually allow me to access games
on the list. This usually does not occur if I pick out a game from the
full database list.
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Date: 01 Nov 2006 08:18:44
From: Taylor Kingston
Subject: Re: Search Malfunction in ChessBase?
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On Nov 1, 10:52 am, "Chess One" <[email protected] > wrote:
> Kingston is nuts@! He has taken over the thread and accuses me of being
> off-topic in writing about the ACTUAL game score I posted, instead of HIS
> idea of what's not in the Chessbase library.
Phil, you really need to get back on your medication. I have "taken
over the thread"?? Um, Phil, I started this thread. I posed its basic
question. You are off-topic in trying to divert its subject away from
ChessBase. If you want to discuss your game, go back to your "TN in the
Winawer" thread, even though your game is not a Winawer.
Now, would anyone who actually knows something about ChessBase care
to answer?
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Date: 01 Nov 2006 05:43:39
From: Taylor Kingston
Subject: Re: Search Malfunction in ChessBase?
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On Oct 31, 6:58 pm, "Chess One" <[email protected] > wrote:
> "Taylor Kingston" <[email protected]> wrote in messagenews:[email protected]...
>
> > Another thread asked about the seldom-played opening line
>
> > 1. e4 e6
> > 2. d4 d5
> > 3. Nc3 Nf6
> > 4. Bg5 Be7
> > 5. Bxf6 Bxf6
> > 6. e5 Bg5
> > 7. h4
>
> > I plugged this line to CB Reader's position search, and had it search
> > through the CB MegaDatabase 2005. To my surprise, it returned hundreds
> > of games.
> By transpoitio, then.
No, Phil. It was not a matter of transposition, nor even of
"transpoitio."
> > However, looking at a few of of them, it turned out they
> > actually involved the Alekhine-Chatard Attack, 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3
> > Nf6 4.Bg5 Be7 5.e5 Nfd7 6.h4 Bxg5 etc.
>
> Which is slightly different.
Our Phil slowly begins to catch on.
> > The difference is that in the search position, there is no knight on
> > d7,
> Yes. that aids black in his late c5 push, this is an excellerated system
> which seeks to immediately regain the pawn, or put the bishop out of any
> manoevability for a long time.
But then Phil immediately loses the thread again. I was not asking
for an evaluation of the position, but about the accuracy of ChessBase
Reader's search function.
> > but in the games CB Reader listed, there is. So the search function
> > was malfunctioning, returning games that actually did not match the
> > position entered. Has anyone else encountered this flaw?
> I wonder if 'anyone' else ever took the pawn on h4? That is the significant
> position.
Thank you for a complete irrelevancy. Now, would anyone who actually
knows something about ChessBase care to answer?
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Date: 01 Nov 2006 15:52:49
From: Chess One
Subject: Re: Search Malfunction in ChessBase?
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"Taylor Kingston" <[email protected] > wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>> > The difference is that in the search position, there is no knight on
>> > d7,
>
>> Yes. that aids black in his late c5 push, this is an excellerated system
>> which seeks to immediately regain the pawn, or put the bishop out of any
>> manoevability for a long time.
>
> But then Phil immediately loses the thread again. I was not asking
> for an evaluation of the position, but about the accuracy of ChessBase
> Reader's search function.
HEY!! Kingston diversion of the thread is to insist on taking it over with
his own context, and to talk of anything else is to lose [his] thread.
Its not about 'it would be the Klingon Opening if only the pieces were
somewhere else'...
Its about the actual game I wrote here which I just got done playing. I
asked if anyone knews its name, apparently not.
>> > but in the games CB Reader listed, there is. So the search function
>> > was malfunctioning, returning games that actually did not match the
>> > position entered. Has anyone else encountered this flaw?
>
>> I wonder if 'anyone' else ever took the pawn on h4? That is the
>> significant
>> position.
>
> Thank you for a complete irrelevancy.
Kingston is nuts@! He has taken over the thread and accuses me of being
off-topic in writing about the ACTUAL game score I posted, instead of HIS
idea of what's not in the Chessbase library.
This honest-broker reviews chess books - though we can understand better
know why he skips the scores, since that is too hard and beyond
expectations!
Phil Innes
>Now, would anyone who actually
> knows something about ChessBase care to answer?
>
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Date: 31 Oct 2006 23:58:14
From: Chess One
Subject: Re: Search Malfunction in ChessBase?
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"Taylor Kingston" <[email protected] > wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Another thread asked about the seldom-played opening line
>
> 1. e4 e6
> 2. d4 d5
> 3. Nc3 Nf6
> 4. Bg5 Be7
> 5. Bxf6 Bxf6
> 6. e5 Bg5
> 7. h4
>
> I plugged this line to CB Reader's position search, and had it search
> through the CB MegaDatabase 2005. To my surprise, it returned hundreds
> of games.
By transpoitio, then.
> However, looking at a few ob of them, it turned out they
> actually involved the Alekhine-Chatard Attack, 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3
> Nf6 4.Bg5 Be7 5.e5 Nfd7 6.h4 Bxg5 etc.
Which is slightly different.
> The difference is that in the search position, there is no knight on
> d7,
Yes. that aids black in his late c5 push, this is an excellerated system
which seeks to immediately regain the pawn, or put the bishop out of any
manoevability for a long time.
> but in the games CB Reader listed, there is. So the search function
> was malfunctioning, returning games that actually did not match the
> position entered. Has anyone else encountered this flaw?
I wonder if 'anyone' else ever took the pawn on h4? That is the significant
position.
PI
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