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Date: 06 Oct 2007 12:19:30
From: samsloan
Subject: Pal Benko's Endgame Laboratory can now be ordered online
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http://www.samsloan.com/palbenko.htm Pal Benko's Endgame Laboratory Pal Benko is one of the world's leading grandmasters of chess. He was once ranked in the top ten players in the world and is now the world's leading authority on chess endgames. This book contains 72 of his endgame columns which were originally published in Chess Life magazine. Everybody who has seen this book likes it, including, most importantly, Pal Benko himself. Sam Sloan (Dealer Discounts are available for Large Orders)
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Date: 08 Oct 2007 05:34:53
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Pal Benko's Endgame Laboratory can now be ordered online
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On Oct 7, 8:04 am, SBD <[email protected] > wrote: > Some have compared chess composition and play as similar to > choreographed tial arts on the stage or screen to the bar brawl. This is very good. In my experience, some OTB games can be compared to a bar brawl, both in quality and style of play. The outcome is not always a perfect measure of skill, but luck plays a big role (did that bottle over the head knock him out, or just make him angrier?). In the movies, tial arts are often ridiculous, one guy chops, the other blocks, the first guy kicks, the second backs up -- as if taking turns as in chess. And some problems are like this, pieces having been added everywhere for no other purpose than to confuse the issue so it will be tougher to solve, just as more opponents are added in a scene to make the hero look more impressive; but in reality, nobody would even try to fight so many men without an uzi or flamethrower. > Like all human comparisons, you can argue back and forth on the merits > of each. No you can't. Yes you can. Can not. Can so! > In the end, though, it seems to me that certain players - who already > have ELO envy of seemingly everyone around them Ad hominem projections reveal something, but I'm not sure what, exactly. It's like one of those crazy chess problems where pieces are all over the place, yet there is purported to be a forced mate in six -- and only one! > - are dismissive of > problems without ever having tried the experience, or try to see why a > series of Umnov maneuvers Needs explanation; many readers will have no idea what the writer is trying to say here, for Umnov is not a famous grandmaster. Maybe this was tossed out to try and impress somebody, but who? (Only about four people on the whole internet may know this guy, Umnov.) > provide beauty and interest to a problem. I > still find Evans comment about endgame composers being relatively weak > players a sign of snobbery - who cares if they even played the game at > all? Isn't the chess what is important? And what is a "weak player?" > Sigh..... To GM Evans, a weak player is any player who does not sport the letters "GM" in front of his name. What I found amusing was the fact that when Bobby Fischer wrote a letter in a huff over LE's published criticism of his match "demands", instead of rebuffing the loon by pointing out that his answer was not an endorsement of any particular move, he just cowed down and took a verbal lashing instead. Far from operating on any real principles, the man seemed to go more by butt-sniffing, by who was the alpha-dog chess player -- and by golly, there was no question of that. But moreover, all the letters tend to be from far lesser players, and here the GM takes a rather arrogant tack, often as not, falling back on his own title as support for the arrogance, as when he proudly proclaims that he does not easily suffer (other) fools. But getting into a huff over a few weak players making use of Chessmaster to "cook" his published analysis only serves to reveal who the real fool is; what do you expect weak players to do: write in with corrections based upon analysis which they have "checked" by asking their chess-playing buddies to look it over for mistakes, knowing that an arrogant snob will ridicule them for having even dared to try and poke holes? It boggles the mind. -- help bot
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Date: 08 Oct 2007 04:56:10
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Pal Benko's Endgame Laboratory can now be ordered online
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On Oct 7, 7:47 am, SBD <[email protected] > wrote: > On Oct 7, 7:26 am, help bot <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Generally, they like to show the ones which have been > > "cooked", meaning that somebody demonstrated that it > > was flawed in some way. Why the obsession with > > "cooks" is beyond me, for much of the analysis in CL, > > for instance, can easily be "cooked". > > That is because a chess problem should be exact : there should be one > key, unless more than one is intended and the analysis should be > flawless. A mate in six should not be a mate in five or seven. Duals, > such as multiple ending mates, tend to be intolerable. And that is one > of the points of a chess problem: it isn't a vague "and wins" but a > sure win or a mate or stalemate in x moves. Yes, but by the writer showcasing problems which have been "cooked", he focuses on the flawed, on the inferior problems while using up valuable space which better problems might have desired for themselves. Maybe it's really about showing how clever the writer is, how st he was to find the "cooks". I mean, this is the impression I often get when reading about other things, like chess games for instance. Or is the credit for finding the "cooks" given to those who wrote in? In that case, it could be a way of encouraging interest in problem solving via recognition. This is similar to how Larry Evans' old column used to work; readers could send in "questions", along with corrections to faulty published analysis and if he agreed, he might list the person's name right along with the correction. -- help bot
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Date: 08 Oct 2007 04:43:18
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Pal Benko's Endgame Laboratory can now be ordered online
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On Oct 7, 7:44 am, SBD <[email protected] > wrote: > Come on bot, you can dish it out but not take it? If its edible, it's every man for himself. "Supersize me." > Seriously, what is a "realistic" chess problem? Chess is by nature > abstract, or? A realistic chess problem is one where I could easily fool you into thinking it is a position from one of my OTB games. > You probably never saw the full analysis of such problems because hack > journalists will freely reprint chess problems and their keys, but > rarely spend any time on the analysis required, or even reference the > original source. That is true; also there is the problem of limited space in a publication like Chess Life, after allowing for thirty-odd pages of pure advertising. > There are a whole group of chess problems called > "miniatures" (positions with 7 men or less) and composers still > compose interesting ones today, with whole chess magazines devoted to > this topic alone. Would those be "simple" enough for you? What is > "simple"? Well, for me a simple position would be K & p vs. K, where I have to figure out if it is a draw or a win. (And no fair logging on to the endgame table base Web site.) > Seriously, all swipes aside, a few hours with one book of chess > problem miniatures (many of which you can find for free in pdf form on > the net) might change your mind about chess composition... if not, > more for me..... In the old days, many problemists made claims that simply didn't hold up to close scrutiny (i.e. cooks). The same thing applies to game annotations, which I find are so full of holes that my computer sometimes can fall on the floor, laughing. Now they have a tool called "Freezer" which, as I have read somewhere, can cut the board down to size so that a chess engine can more easily handle the necessary calculations, yet the more complex still remain part assertion, part speculation. I find these kinds of problems to be of little value, except perhaps for entertainment. In studying chess as it is really played, I have found far too many examples of flawed analysis, flawed evaluations and flawed thinking. So maybe this is why I am not into the artificial-looking, ultra-complex style of chess problems. I could easily "compose" a multitude of chess problems by altering positions from my own games or games that I have studied, but it just seems a bit pointless in the sense that I have an unfair advantage as the composer; I know what the solver cannot know, having composed it. My idea of a chess problem is what I have so often found in "boring" endgame books, which snatch real positions from real games, and show how the masters (famous grandmasters, generally speaking) mucked up a "simple" win or draw. The fact that such a position was not artificially composed, but arose in actual play, seems to somehow connect the "problem" to reality, render it more relevant to me. Others may in fact like the crazy artificial-looking positions, but they give me the feeling of detachment from real chess, or OTB chess. -- help bot
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Date: 08 Oct 2007 04:13:31
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Pal Benko's Endgame Laboratory can now be ordered online
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On Oct 7, 5:06 am, SBD <[email protected] > wrote: > > "Many famous composers of pure endgame studies were weak players > > working in splendid isolation who rarely competed in tournaments" -- > > Larry Evans > > Yes, the ever-consistent Evans, who in last month's CL and R featured > such a "weak player's" compositions in his "column" - Smyslov. Some people just aren't very bright; it looks to me as though SBD has completely misinterpreted the above comment by GM Evans and twisted it into some contorted shape to fit his own insecurity as a problem solver or composer. Here is the obvious meaning: Many famous composers (have they earned their fame, like GM Benko, the hard way?) were weak players (unlike me, Larry Evans, and Pal Benko) working in isolation (i.e. they were not exposed to the stress of tournament play, had infinite time for only this work, etc.) who rarely competed (unlike me, Larry Evans, and PB). What GM Evans was trying to suggest is that weak players should not be allowed to commingle with the elite, that they do not deserve fame, that they are a lower class than the greats of chess, the grandmasters. He was *not* putting down problem composition -- far from it! You have to account for the man's, um, arrogance, in order to /get/ the true meaning. So you see, there was no inconsistency in GM Evans having written this put-down and then writing about GM Smyslov's chess compositions -- none whatever. Stop being so insecure about your inability to compete OTB at chess; it's only a game. -- help bot
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Date: 07 Oct 2007 13:04:05
From: SBD
Subject: Re: Pal Benko's Endgame Laboratory can now be ordered online
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The Value of Chess Problems As I read what bot wrote, and his emphasis on "realistic" chess problems, I realized what the issue was - or at least I think so. Chess is a game with a certain level of abstraction. In fact, this abstraction is often associated with the positive attribute of "abstract thought." Chess problems provide a higher level of abstraction than the game itself. You can interpret that negatively or positively. But I suppose if the idea that "learning chess teaches you certain abstractions that will make you better at x, y, and z," then problem chess would be seen as on an even higher level than the game. But just as playing chess won't make you a better general, per se, I understand the contention that chess problem solving or composing won't make you a better player. Composing a song doesn't make you a better musician, no matter how good the song. But I certainly have learned the full power of some of the pieces, like queen and bishop, by composing helpmates, something very far from the game of chess - a form where black and white must precisely cooperate to mate black. Some have compared chess composition and play as similar to choreographed tial arts on the stage or screen to the bar brawl. Like all human comparisons, you can argue back and forth on the merits of each. In the end, though, it seems to me that certain players - who already have ELO envy of seemingly everyone around them - are dismissive of problems without ever having tried the experience, or try to see why a series of Umnov maneuvers provide beauty and interest to a problem. I still find Evans comment about endgame composers being relatively weak players a sign of snobbery - who cares if they even played the game at all? Isn't the chess what is important? And what is a "weak player?" Sigh.....
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Date: 07 Oct 2007 12:47:36
From: SBD
Subject: Re: Pal Benko's Endgame Laboratory can now be ordered online
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On Oct 7, 7:26 am, help bot <[email protected] > wrote: > Generally, they like to show the ones which have been > "cooked", meaning that somebody demonstrated that it > was flawed in some way. Why the obsession with > "cooks" is beyond me, for much of the analysis in CL, > for instance, can easily be "cooked". That is because a chess problem should be exact : there should be one key, unless more than one is intended and the analysis should be flawless. A mate in six should not be a mate in five or seven. Duals, such as multiple ending mates, tend to be intolerable. And that is one of the points of a chess problem: it isn't a vague "and wins" but a sure win or a mate or stalemate in x moves.
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Date: 07 Oct 2007 12:44:31
From: SBD
Subject: Re: Pal Benko's Endgame Laboratory can now be ordered online
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On Oct 7, 7:26 am, help bot <[email protected] > wrote: > On Oct 7, 5:10 am, SBD <[email protected]> wrote: > Perhaps what we've learned here is that some problemists > have very short tempers, equally small minds, and are quick > to "defend" against criticism which is nothing more than an > expression of personal taste. For instance, the reason I > don't like ultra-complex, artificial-looking chess problems > is that solving them (if I ever could) would be of very little > value toward improving my OTB results. Compare and > contrast to solving realistic chess problems, which can be > highly instructive. In fact, the way I see it, the simpler the > position, the more instructive it is likely to be. Come on bot, you can dish it out but not take it? Seriously, what is a "realistic" chess problem? Chess is by nature abstract, or? You probably never saw the full analysis of such problems because hack journalists will freely reprint chess problems and their keys, but rarely spend any time on the analysis required, or even reference the original source. There are a whole group of chess problems called "miniatures" (positions with 7 men or less) and composers still compose interesting ones today, with whole chess magazines devoted to this topic alone. Would those be "simple" enough for you? What is "simple"? Seriously, all swipes aside, a few hours with one book of chess problem miniatures (many of which you can find for free in pdf form on the net) might change your mind about chess composition... if not, more for me.....
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Date: 07 Oct 2007 05:33:47
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Pal Benko's Endgame Laboratory can now be ordered online
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On Oct 7, 5:59 am, samsloan <[email protected] > wrote: > > What's this -- they did not give GM Benko a title > > until 1995, and then misspelled his name? > > > "Paul Benko"??! > > > -- help bot > > They did not mis-spell his name. His name really is Paul. It is > spelled Pal in Hungarian with a umlaut over the a as in =E4. In my quotation above, I did not include the umlaut simply because my keyboard doesn't have 'em. In fact, the Web site has his name as Paul Benko with an umlaut over the o. So if the correct spelling has umlauts over both the o and the a, they still got it wrong. (Or maybe I am too sleepy to remember?) > Take a close look at the cover of my book. Okay: it says: Winning with the Damiano's Attack, and then underneath it has the moves 1. e4 e5, 2=2E Nf3?! f6!!, 3. Nxe5?? fxe5!!! - + I think you must have written that before the invention of Fritz. > Notice the two little dots > over the letter a. O k a y. I am seeing dots... over the letter a... > That is the correct spelling of his name. Now I am feeling sleepy, very sleepy. The dots... over the letter a... . -- he:lp bo:t
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Date: 07 Oct 2007 05:26:09
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Pal Benko's Endgame Laboratory can now be ordered online
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On Oct 7, 5:10 am, SBD <[email protected] > wrote: > On Oct 7, 2:47 am, help bot <[email protected]> wrote: > > Many problemists created positions which bear > > almost no resemblance to real-world chess play, > > while others proclaimed a mate-in-257-moves with > > absolutely no way to back it up. (Me, I have trouble > > seeing more than about a hundred-fifty moves ahead, > > unless it's just Queens or Rooks on the board). > > Maybe that is why you don't see any way to back it up. Sometimes > composers spend years doing the gritty analysis for such problems, and > they can "back it up." Funny I never saw one of those kind published. Generally, they like to show the ones which have been "cooked", meaning that somebody demonstrated that it was flawed in some way. Why the obsession with "cooks" is beyond me, for much of the analysis in CL, for instance, can easily be "cooked". > I've seen long problems often accompanied with > 20-30 pages of analysis I've seen a single paragraph of analysis which contained many errors, so that would be quite a bit more work to plow through. The best sort of analysis is the kind which says that White wins by penetrating his King to square x, then maneuvering piece y to square z, whereupon Black is zugzwanged. (And of course, where he actually can do all that!) > or the length of one of your favorite comic > books X-men!? Flash?!! > or is that "graphic novel?") I don't actually like comic books; they jump from one "frame" to the next, creating a herky-jerky effect. Now cartoons are a definite step up, but movies are the best. Preferably color movies... with sound. > There are more things in chess, > helpbot, than you apparently have room for in your "philosophy." Perhaps what we've learned here is that some problemists have very short tempers, equally small minds, and are quick to "defend" against criticism which is nothing more than an expression of personal taste. For instance, the reason I don't like ultra-complex, artificial-looking chess problems is that solving them (if I ever could) would be of very little value toward improving my OTB results. Compare and contrast to solving realistic chess problems, which can be highly instructive. In fact, the way I see it, the simpler the position, the more instructive it is likely to be. -- help bot
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Date: 07 Oct 2007 03:59:48
From: samsloan
Subject: Re: Pal Benko's Endgame Laboratory can now be ordered online
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On Oct 7, 6:26 am, help bot <[email protected] > wrote: > On Oct 7, 3:15 am, [email protected] wrote: > > > > What are the titles for endgame composition, and > > > who doles them out? > > > Organization is FIDE for Chess Compositions:http://www.saunalahti.fi/~s= tniekat/pccc/general.htm > > What's this -- they did not give GM Benko a title > until 1995, and then misspelled his name? > > "Paul Benko"??! > > -- help bot They did not mis-spell his name. His name really is Paul. It is spelled Pal in Hungarian with a umlaut over the a as in =E4. Take a close look at the cover of my book. Notice the two little dots over the letter a. That is the correct spelling of his name. http://www.samsloan.com/palbenko.htm Sam Sloan
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Date: 07 Oct 2007 13:32:45
From: MaciLaci
Subject: Re: Pal Benko's Endgame Laboratory can now be ordered online
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samsloan �rta: > On Oct 7, 6:26 am, help bot <[email protected]> wrote: >> On Oct 7, 3:15 am, [email protected] wrote: >> >>>> What are the titles for endgame composition, and >>>> who doles them out? >>> Organization is FIDE for Chess Compositions:http://www.saunalahti.fi/~stniekat/pccc/general.htm >> What's this -- they did not give GM Benko a title >> until 1995, and then misspelled his name? >> >> "Paul Benko"??! >> >> -- help bot > > They did not mis-spell his name. His name really is Paul. It is > spelled Pal in Hungarian with a umlaut over the a as in �. > > Take a close look at the cover of my book. Notice the two little dots > over the letter a. That is the correct spelling of his name. > In Hungarian there's an accent on the 'a': P�l. That is the correct spelling of his name. > http://www.samsloan.com/palbenko.htm > > Sam Sloan >
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Date: 07 Oct 2007 03:26:49
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Pal Benko's Endgame Laboratory can now be ordered online
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On Oct 7, 3:15 am, [email protected] wrote: > > What are the titles for endgame composition, and > > who doles them out? > > Organization is FIDE for Chess Compositions:http://www.saunalahti.fi/~stniekat/pccc/general.htm What's this -- they did not give GM Benko a title until 1995, and then misspelled his name? "Paul Benko"??! -- help bot
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Date: 07 Oct 2007 10:10:25
From: SBD
Subject: Re: Pal Benko's Endgame Laboratory can now be ordered online
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On Oct 7, 2:47 am, help bot <[email protected] > wrote: > > Many problemists created positions which bear > almost no resemblance to real-world chess play, > while others proclaimed a mate-in-257-moves with > absolutely no way to back it up. (Me, I have trouble > seeing more than about a hundred-fifty moves ahead, > unless it's just Queens or Rooks on the board). Maybe that is why you don't see any way to back it up. Sometimes composers spend years doing the gritty analysis for such problems, and they can "back it up." I've seen long problems often accompanied with 20-30 pages of analysis, or the length of one of your favorite comic books (or is that "graphic novel?")There are more things in chess, helpbot, than you apparently have room for in your "philosophy."
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Date: 07 Oct 2007 10:06:29
From: SBD
Subject: Re: Pal Benko's Endgame Laboratory can now be ordered online
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On Oct 7, 1:31 am, [email protected] wrote: > > "Many famous composers of pure endgame studies were weak players > working in splendid isolation who rarely competed in tournaments" -- > Larry Evans Yes, the ever-consistent Evans, who in last month's CL and R featured such a "weak player's" compositions in his "column" - Smyslov. Chess composition is a fascinating world and those, like helpbot, who don't partake - I figure it is just more for me. Anyone who can't appreciate problems such as Hans Vetter's effort in a 1975 Schach Echo: FEN: 8/1pR5/pP6/8/PpB5/kPp5/2P5/1K6 w - - 0 1 #5 R sac, B sac, Phoenix. let them fester in their little world of "practical" chess. As to me, I like all forms of chess - not just one person's stylized version.
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Date: 07 Oct 2007 01:15:47
From:
Subject: Re: Pal Benko's Endgame Laboratory can now be ordered online
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On Oct 7, 3:47 am, help bot <[email protected] > wrote: > On Oct 7, 1:31 am, [email protected] wrote: > > > In addition to the GM title, Benko also has an IM title for Chess > > Composition, which makes for an impressive combination of credentials. > > What are the titles for endgame composition, and > who doles them out? > Organization is FIDE for Chess Compositions: http://www.saunalahti.fi/~stniekat/pccc/general.htm Titles for composer and solvers: http://www.saunalahti.fi/~stniekat/pccc/titles.htm "Theoretical and tactical endgames -- the majority of which are known as studies -- are fascinating and every player should devote all of his life to them, or at least as much of it as he can spare..." - Jacob Aagaard
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Date: 07 Oct 2007 00:47:11
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Pal Benko's Endgame Laboratory can now be ordered online
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On Oct 7, 1:31 am, [email protected] wrote: > In addition the the GM title, Benko also has an IM title for Chess > Composition, which makes for an impressive combination of credentials. What are the titles for endgame composition, and who doles them out? Much of what I have seen over the years related to a relative few composers, whose prolific work is just repeated, over and over. One such fellow, I suppose, was named Mr. Cook, as in "I cooked Benko's 207th endgame problem, by finding a duplicate solution". Many problemists created positions which bear almost no resemblance to real-world chess play, while others proclaimed a mate-in-257-moves with absolutely no way to back it up. (Me, I have trouble seeing more than about a hundred-fifty moves ahead, unless it's just Queens or Rooks on the board). -- help bot
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Date: 07 Oct 2007 09:26:56
From: Anders Thulin
Subject: Re: Pal Benko's Endgame Laboratory can now be ordered online
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[ dropped r.g.c.politics ] help bot wrote: > What are the titles for endgame composition, and > who doles them out? 'Doles out' ... FIDE has a Permanent Commission for Chess Composition, which handles titles for composers as well as solvers. Earning a composition title requires that a certain number of already published compositions submitted for publication in the FIDE Album must have been accepted by the Album editors. However, not all fine composers send in their work, so the field is not quite level. > Many problemists created positions which bear > almost no resemblance to real-world chess play, > while others proclaimed a mate-in-257-moves with > absolutely no way to back it up. Chess endgame composition is not always related to real-world chess play: it's more about those special cases and exceptions that did not happen OTB or only appears in positions few good chess-players would find themselves in (think of the Troitzky line: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two_knights_endgame#Troitzky_line ) Chess problem composition is even further remote from 'real-world chess', much like any art tends to abstract reality. Just think of 'Nude descending a staircase' or 'Guernica'. -- Anders Thulin anders*thulin.name http://www.anders.thulin.name/
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Date: 06 Oct 2007 23:31:22
From:
Subject: Re: Pal Benko's Endgame Laboratory can now be ordered online
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> On Oct 7, 1:41 am, help bot <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Oct 6, 2:19 pm, samsloan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > and is now the world's > > leading authority on chess endgames. > > Er, right. GM Benko has his column at Chess Life, > but that is hardly the same thing as being the world's > leading authority (as if anyone were) on the endgame. > In addition the the GM title, Benko also has an IM title for Chess Composition, which makes for an impressive combination of credentials. "Many famous composers of pure endgame studies were weak players working in splendid isolation who rarely competed in tournaments" -- Larry Evans
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Date: 06 Oct 2007 22:41:29
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Pal Benko's Endgame Laboratory can now be ordered online
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On Oct 6, 2:19 pm, samsloan <[email protected] > wrote: > http://www.samsloan.com/palbenko.htm > > Pal Benko's Endgame Laboratory > > Pal Benko is one of the world's leading grandmasters of chess. PB *was* one of the world's leading grandmasters of chess. Today, his rating is around 2400 or so. > He was > once ranked in the top ten players in the world After noting the boo-boo at top, I tried to check this at both the FIDE and USCF Web sites, but to no avail. Heck, I don't know if FIDE even had rankings back when GM Benko was at his peak. Here is what chessmetrics has for GM Benko: Best world ranking: #17 Highest CM rating: 2687 Best performance: 2724 (at the Stockholm Interzonal, 1962) Chessmetrics shows three 2700+ performances for GM Benko (and whaddayaknow -- in every one another strong American player was present at the scene. No, it wasn't Sam Sloan. I mean *really* strong!) > and is now the world's > leading authority on chess endgames. Er, right. GM Benko has his column at Chess Life, but that is hardly the same thing as being the world's leading authority (as if anyone were) on the endgame. Some monster endgame manuals were probably written in Russian or German and not translated into English, so folks like SS will pretend they don't exist. (Offhand, there are books by GMs Smyslov and Averbakh which are far more substantive.) > This book contains 72 of his endgame columns which were originally > published in Chess Life magazine. > > Everybody who has seen this book likes it, including, most > importantly, Pal Benko himself. This book (or its predecessor) got rave reviews: http://www.jeremysilman.com/book_reviews_js/js_chess_endgame_lessons.html The review by John Watson was equally enthusiastic, but it should be noted that neither of these reviews even remotely resembles one of their "normal" critical book reviews in which an authors' openings analysis is actually examined for quality. It seems these guys won't touch the endgame with a ten foot pole! (I have rarely seen reviews on the IM Silman site so short, so shallow.) There is also a thick/expensive autobiography by GM Benko, covering a much wider range of topics. But the compilation of Chess Life columns will make for much easier reading. JS: What book would you want to have on a desert island? Dr. Nunn: How to Build a Boat. That aside... JS said he would like to have this book by GM Benko. -- help bot
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