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Date: 31 Jul 2006 23:29:22
From: Sanny
Subject: Now you cannot Cheat the Computer by closing the browser.

Now all Chess games at GetClub have to be completed before playing a
new game. If your connection disconnects then when you restart the
game, You can play your Old game or Resign that game.

So, You can also postpone your game for another day.

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

This way, You cannot cheat the computer by just closing your browser
when you are loosing.

All your Games will be recorded and your Ranking will be affected if
you resign a game.

For games played with Human Opponents you are declared lost as soon as
you disconnect So there is no need to replay a game with Human
Opponent.

But When you are playing with a Computer you can stop your game in
between, take lunch and go for a drive come back and again start
playing the game.

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Below is another game played yestrerday by Bob. Look again how Bob
sacrifices its Rook for Bishop and take control of the Board.

http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM2353&game=Chess

View above Recorded game Played by Bob(White) with Master Level(Black).

Bye
Sanny

Play a game at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Date: 05 Aug 2006 23:57:06
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: 45 Validation mistake. Use Browsers Not Validators to play games.

>
> Sanny's program makes me feel like a chess genius.
> Were it not for Sanny, I would never have known how, for
> example, Bobby Fischer and Gary Kasparov felt as they
> played vastly inferior opponents, winning easily. Thank
> you, Sanny. :>D
>

They play on supercomputers, And on supercomputers even advance level
makes moves in a fraction of a second. So they can play a game with 10
level higher than Advance level.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Date: 05 Aug 2006 18:24:30
From: help bot
Subject: Re: 45 Validation mistake. Use Browsers Not Validators to play games.

[email protected] wrote:
> > > People playing my game at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html use
> > > Internet Explorer and Netscape and 99% of them use simmilar Browser.
>
> > Firefox's popularity must be at least 10% now - probably more.
>
> According to http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp:
>
> 57.8% IE6
> 25.0% Firefox

I use Firefox, and I, too, have been having a problem
while playing Sanny's program in that it fairly often will
"crash", or suddenly close all my browser windows the
instant I make a move. Funny, but despite the near-
instantaneous closing of browsers, when I log back on,
my last move did in fact register. My latest theory is
that this is some sort of self-defense mechanism, put
in by Sanny's team of programmers to punish and
thereby condition human opponents to not make such
good moves. Of course, it won't work on me, for I am
simply incapable of making anything but good moves.
Ho-hum.

Sanny's program makes me feel like a chess genius.
Were it not for Sanny, I would never have known how, for
example, Bobby Fischer and Gary Kasparov felt as they
played vastly inferior opponents, winning easily. Thank
you, Sanny. : >D

-- invincible bot

Date: 06 Aug 2006 04:42:01
From: Dave (from the UK)
Subject: Re: 45 Validation mistake. Use Browsers Not Validators to play games.

help bot wrote:

>>According to http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp:
>>
>>57.8% IE6
>>25.0% Firefox
>
>
>
> I use Firefox, and I, too, have been having a problem
> while playing Sanny's program in that it fairly often will
> "crash", or suddenly close all my browser windows the
> instant I make a move.

If he fixed the web site, it might do it less often. But he had made it
clear he does not want to.

However Firefox should not crash. If his silly site actually crashes
Firefox then there is a bug in Firefox, as no matter how bad the web
page is (and his homepage is very bad) it should not crash the browser.

--
Dave (from the UK)

Please note my email address changes periodically to avoid spam.
It is always of the form: [email protected]
Hitting reply will work for a few months only - later set it manually.

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Date: 05 Aug 2006 00:44:42
From: Sanny
Subject: Tough Fight need 50-60 Moves to win it.

> Yes, the program did resume at the correct position and allowed me to
> finish the game.
>
> > Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

I played a game with Beginner Level, I was even unable to give a Check
to the Opponents King and it Mated me in Middle Game. It brings a
strong defence to protect its king.

Play a game at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

I have seen other people games Now you cannot win it in Middle Game.
You have to fight till end game to win with computer.

It will need you atleast 40 + moves to break its defence and another
10-20 moves to bring a Mate.

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

So where are you Bob/ Taylor Kingston/ Bonsai/ Nomorechess. What do you

say. Are you able to beat it easily?

So now on you will be able to Mate it only after 40-50 Moves. And in
some games you may have to go till 60 Moves to win it.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Date: 04 Aug 2006 07:53:27
From: Taylor Kingston
Subject: Re: Sanny's program no longer cheats?

Sanny wrote:
> button.
> >
> > Bull, Sanny. My hands were not even on the mouse or keyboard when
> > your program played Rxd8 and wrongly claimed it was checkmate. You're
> > always making excuses for your program rather than do anything to
> > correct it.
> >
> A program mistake was found and the problem rectified.
>
> Now you can complete your game. Your Ratings were corrected and Game
> Restored.

Yes, the program did resume at the correct position and allowed me to
finish the game.

> Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Date: 03 Aug 2006 23:58:48
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Sanny's program now cheats!

> Damn! Double-damn. I was THAT CLOSE to being the
> only remaining active player to have *never lost* to Sanny's
> new, improved chess engine! Oh well. They say that
> everyone gets fifteen minutes of fame and glory; my time
> may yet come. Maybe I will become world famous as the
> only player ever to have won fifty games in a row and yet
> still have a GetClub rating of only 1010....
>
>

No Taylor Kingston is still ahead of you. He has a rating of 1262 and
yours is 1180 only.

Taylor Kingston has not lost a single game. Last game where computer
declared win was a Program error. So Taylor Kingston can continue by
winning that game.

Humans are prone to error so they may loose a game by making a blunder.
So loosing 1-2 matches out of 20 is quite possible. Even good players
do blunders sometime.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com

Date: 03 Aug 2006 23:54:32
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Sanny's program now cheats!

button.
>
> Bull, Sanny. My hands were not even on the mouse or keyboard when
> your program played Rxd8 and wrongly claimed it was checkmate. You're
> always making excuses for your program rather than do anything to
> correct it.
>
A program mistake was found and the problem rectified.

Now you can complete your game. Your Ratings were corrected and Game
Restored.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Date: 03 Aug 2006 21:55:15
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Sanny's program now cheats!

Sanny wrote:
> > > I will try to replay the same game and see if it really does Mate in
> > > that Condition if yes My Programmers will shift the game to that
> > > Position for you to continue and win.
> >
> > Bull, Sanny. My hands were not even on the mouse or keyboard when
> > your program played Rxd8 and wrongly claimed it was checkmate. You're
> > always making excuses for your program rather than do anything to
> > correct it.
> >
>
> Yes, Programmers found an error, The Computer was ignoring the Rxd8 and
> since all other moves were leading to a Mate it gave itself a win.
>
> Your Problem will be solved by tommorow. And you will be able to
> complete the game from where it checkmated you (wrongly).

> Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Damn! Double-damn. I was THAT CLOSE to being the
only remaining active player to have *never lost* to Sanny's
new, improved chess engine! Oh well. They say that
everyone gets fifteen minutes of fame and glory; my time
may yet come. Maybe I will become world famous as the
only player ever to have won fifty games in a row and yet
still have a GetClub rating of only 1010....

-- help bot

Date: 03 Aug 2006 07:05:28
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Sanny's program now cheats!

> > I will try to replay the same game and see if it really does Mate in
> > that Condition if yes My Programmers will shift the game to that
> > Position for you to continue and win.
>
> Bull, Sanny. My hands were not even on the mouse or keyboard when
> your program played Rxd8 and wrongly claimed it was checkmate. You're
> always making excuses for your program rather than do anything to
> correct it.
>

Yes, Programmers found an error, The Computer was ignoring the Rxd8 and
since all other moves were leading to a Mate it gave itself a win.

Your Problem will be solved by tommorow. And you will be able to
complete the game from where it checkmated you (wrongly).

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Date: 03 Aug 2006 06:09:50
From: Taylor Kingston
Subject: Re: Sanny's program now cheats!

Sanny wrote:
> >
> > But it appears the computer thinks *_it_* can cheat. After not
> > playing for several days I tried it today. The first few moves were
> > 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 e6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Bf4?? e5!, and the program had
> > already lost a piece as it so often does. After a few more moves I had
> > chopped wood down to an endgame of R-R-B-N vs R-R-N and was winning
> > easily, when it suddenly closed the window and displayed "Ha! Ha! I
> > checkmated you!!" or some such nonsense. Not only was there no
> > checkmate, it was completely busted -- the position, if I recall
> > correctly, was r2r2k1/pp3ppp/4b3/8/2nR4/2N5/PPP2PPP/5RK1. Yet it
> > "declared victory and departed the field."
> > So now, not only is Sanny's program still playing lousy chess, but it
> > also cheats! Maybe we should name it Matulovic.
>
> It looks like by mistake you clicked on the Resign Game button.

Bull, Sanny. My hands were not even on the mouse or keyboard when
your program played Rxd8 and wrongly claimed it was checkmate. You're
always making excuses for your program rather than do anything to
correct it.

> As this
> position is not a Check Mate Condition.
>
> I will try to replay the same game and see if it really does Mate in
> that Condition if yes My Programmers will shift the game to that
> Position for you to continue and win.

Date: 03 Aug 2006 02:47:05
From: Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod)
Subject: Re: Google.com :43 Validation mistake

Taylor Kingston wrote:

> Hmmm ... I've heard of people being armed, eyeballed, handled,
> hamstrung, gutted, muscled, kneed, fingered, knuckled, nailed, fisted,
> elbowed, skinned, scalped, backed, brained, butted, half-assed and
> well-heeled. But "hearted"? Wlod, please tell us what that involved,
> and how it felt.

Out od curiosity (it's a longer story too),
I went once to an introductory est seminar.
When someone from the audience asked
"what is est?", the lector served their
standard answer "to someone who never
ate an orange, it is impossible to explain
how the orange tastes. You have to taste it."

Regards,

Wlod

Date: 03 Aug 2006 02:26:04
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Sanny's program now cheats!

>
> But it appears the computer thinks *_it_* can cheat. After not
> playing for several days I tried it today. The first few moves were
> 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 e6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Bf4?? e5!, and the program had
> already lost a piece as it so often does. After a few more moves I had
> chopped wood down to an endgame of R-R-B-N vs R-R-N and was winning
> easily, when it suddenly closed the window and displayed "Ha! Ha! I
> checkmated you!!" or some such nonsense. Not only was there no
> checkmate, it was completely busted -- the position, if I recall
> correctly, was r2r2k1/pp3ppp/4b3/8/2nR4/2N5/PPP2PPP/5RK1. Yet it
> "declared victory and departed the field."
> So now, not only is Sanny's program still playing lousy chess, but it
> also cheats! Maybe we should name it Matulovic.

It looks like by mistake you clicked on the Resign Game button. As this
position is not a Check Mate Condition.

I will try to replay the same game and see if it really does Mate in
that Condition if yes My Programmers will shift the game to that
Position for you to continue and win.

Bye
Sanny.

Date: 02 Aug 2006 14:52:20
From:
Subject: Re: Sanny's program now cheats!

Taylor Kingston wrote:
> Checking back later, I see that Sanny's program recorded the game and
> did indeed score it as a win for itself. Anyone who plays through the
> game, however, can easily see that its "winning" move, Rd4xRd8+, is not
> checkmate. Had it let me, I would simply have replied Ra8xd8 and
> remained a piece up with an easily won position. Instead, the program
> acted like my rook on a8 did not exist, and declared it had won. Major
> bug, Sanny -- *_major_* bug.

I had to capture his king again. The checkmating logic has regressed.
It must have been hoping you would play 19...Rxd8 20.Rd1 Kh8 21.Rxd8#.

Date: 02 Aug 2006 14:14:37
From: Taylor Kingston
Subject: Re: Sanny's program now cheats!

Taylor Kingston wrote:
> Sanny wrote:
> > Now all Chess games at GetClub have to be completed before playing a
> > new game. If your connection disconnects then when you restart the
> > game, You can play your Old game or Resign that game.
> >
> > So, You can also postpone your game for another day.
> >
> > Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
> >
> > This way, You cannot cheat the computer by just closing your browser
> > when you are loosing.
>
> But it appears the computer thinks *_it_* can cheat. After not
> playing for several days I tried it today. The first few moves were
> 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 e6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Bf4?? e5!, and the program had
> already lost a piece as it so often does. After a few more moves I had
> chopped wood down to an endgame of R-R-B-N vs R-R-N and was winning
> easily, when it suddenly closed the window and displayed "Ha! Ha! I
> checkmated you!!" or some such nonsense. Not only was there no
> checkmate, it was completely busted -- the position, if I recall
> correctly, was r2r2k1/pp3ppp/4b3/8/2nR4/2N5/PPP2PPP/5RK1. Yet it
> "declared victory and departed the field."
> So now, not only is Sanny's program still playing lousy chess, but it
> also cheats! Maybe we should name it Matulovic.

Checking back later, I see that Sanny's program recorded the game and
did indeed score it as a win for itself. Anyone who plays through the
game, however, can easily see that its "winning" move, Rd4xRd8+, is not
checkmate. Had it let me, I would simply have replied Ra8xd8 and
remained a piece up with an easily won position. Instead, the program
acted like my rook on a8 did not exist, and declared it had won. Major
bug, Sanny -- *_major_* bug.

Date: 02 Aug 2006 11:58:18
From:
Subject: Re: Sanny, games recorded under my name I never played

Sanny wrote:
> I feel this Draw game has come due to some technical mistake, I have
> asked my programmers to remove this game from your account.

Thanks, that's better. My second game was a close win.

Date: 02 Aug 2006 10:12:46
From: Taylor Kingston
Subject: Sanny's program now cheats!

Date: 02 Aug 2006 09:16:47
From: Taylor Kingston
Subject: Re: Google.com :43 Validation mistake

Sanny wrote:
> > > > If you are not nice to me then it means
> > > > that you may be mean to anybody else
> > > > as well.
> > > >
> > > > Wlod
> > >
> > > I am sorry if I hearted you somewhere in past. In future, I will try to
> > > be nice to you
> >
> > Hmmm ... I've heard of people being armed, eyeballed, handled,
> > hamstrung, gutted, muscled, kneed, fingered, knuckled, nailed, fisted,
> > elbowed, skinned, scalped, backed, brained, butted, half-assed and
> > well-heeled. But "hearted"? Wlod, please tell us what that involved,
> > and how it felt.
>
> It was a typing mistake it is hurted not hearted.

Sanny, you disappoint me. I was expecting something like what Magwa
did to Munro in "Last of the Mohicans."

Date: 02 Aug 2006 07:55:33
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Google.com :43 Validation mistake

> > > If you are not nice to me then it means
> > > that you may be mean to anybody else
> > > as well.
> > >
> > > Wlod
> >
> > I am sorry if I hearted you somewhere in past. In future, I will try to
> > be nice to you
>
> Hmmm ... I've heard of people being armed, eyeballed, handled,
> hamstrung, gutted, muscled, kneed, fingered, knuckled, nailed, fisted,
> elbowed, skinned, scalped, backed, brained, butted, half-assed and
> well-heeled. But "hearted"? Wlod, please tell us what that involved,
> and how it felt.

It was a typing mistake it is hurted not hearted.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Date: 02 Aug 2006 06:28:04
From: Taylor Kingston
Subject: Re: Google.com :43 Validation mistake

Sanny wrote:
> Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (wlod) wrote:
> > Sanny wrote:
> >
> > > (Do you stop visiting google.com)
> >
> > I've stopped visiting your GetClub
> > because you, Sanny, are not nice.
> >
> > If you are not nice to me then it means
> > that you may be mean to anybody else
> > as well.
> >
> > Wlod
>
> I am sorry if I hearted you somewhere in past. In future, I will try to
> be nice to you

Hmmm ... I've heard of people being armed, eyeballed, handled,
hamstrung, gutted, muscled, kneed, fingered, knuckled, nailed, fisted,
elbowed, skinned, scalped, backed, brained, butted, half-assed and
well-heeled. But "hearted"? Wlod, please tell us what that involved,
and how it felt.

Date: 02 Aug 2006 06:07:34
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Opening Added.

> Sanny, the problem here is that after Black plays an
> early ...Be7, there is nowhere for his King's Knight to
> go but h6, and that usually is very bad because the
> capture Bxh6 wrecks Black's pawn structure.
>
> Also note that ...Nc6 by Black, played before ...c5,
> cramps his position badly in this opening.
>

Ok I removed the Opening from its book.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Date: 02 Aug 2006 06:06:24
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Now you cannot Cheat the Computer by closing the browser.

> Can you fix things so I can return to my original game, or at least
> start a new game? I have no intention of giving your program rook odds,
> even though I still might win.

Problem Rectified.

Bye
Sanny

Play a game at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Date: 02 Aug 2006 06:03:59
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Sanny, games recorded under my name I never played

[email protected] wrote:
> Sanny wrote:
> > I am happy to see the Normal level was able to Draw with you in the
> > second game.
>
> I have no idea what you're talking about. Your game can't draw me. You
> put a 'draw' under my user-id that I never played!! This looks like the
> rook-down game you teleported me into that I mentioned in my previous
> message and helpbot mentioned starting then disappearing.
>
> I played you one game and you were down a knight. It looks like that
> game has somehow 'disappeared' as you already said.

I feel this Draw game has come due to some technical mistake, I have
asked my programmers to remove this game from your account.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Date: 02 Aug 2006 06:00:59
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Google.com :43 Validation mistake

Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (wlod) wrote:
> Sanny wrote:
>
> > (Do you stop visiting google.com)
>
> I've stopped visiting your GetClub
> because you, Sanny, are not nice.
>
> If you are not nice to me then it means
> that you may be mean to anybody else
> as well.
>
> Wlod

I am sorry if I hearted you somewhere in past. In future, I will try to
be nice to you

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Date: 02 Aug 2006 04:15:40
From: Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (wlod)
Subject: Re: Google.com :43 Validation mistake

Sanny wrote:

> (Do you stop visiting google.com)

I've stopped visiting your GetClub
because you, Sanny, are not nice.

If you are not nice to me then it means
that you may be mean to anybody else
as well.

Wlod

Date: 02 Aug 2006 02:48:24
From: Sanny
Subject: Google.com :43 Validation mistake

You said http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html gives 43 errors. Then see it
also gives 43 errors for worlds best sites.

I just tried to find how many errors it will Show for google.com

http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F&charset=%28detect+automatically%29&doctype=Inline

It shows 43 errors for www.google.com (Do you stop visiting google.com)

So one can understand how bad this validator is.

For www.yahoo.com

http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.yahoo.com&charset=%28detect+automatically%29&doctype=Inline

It shows 41 errors. (Do you stop visiting yahoo.com)

Again Yahoo and Google are best sites in the world and it is giving 41
and w3 errors in both, So if it gives errors for my
http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

It is just a waste of time. This Validator is for Mad people to waste
their time correcting their sites for no reasions.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

> People playing my game at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html use
> Internet Explorer and Netscape and 99% of them use simmilar Browser.
>
> And 99% of them get no problem while playing the game. So I do not want
> my programmers to waste their time for useless validators. If a
> validator is giving 45 errors for my page
> http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html then there is something wrong with
> the validator.
>
> I do not want any one to play at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
> using that validator. If a validator gives 45 errors for my
> http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html page then I think the people who
> designed such validator are Mad or away from reality.
>

Date: 02 Aug 2006 01:59:17
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: 45 Validation mistake. Use Browsers Not Validators to play games.

> There has also been some sort of error in the
> calculation of my current rating, as after winning
> some thirty games in a row one would expect to
> have gained a tad more than ten lousy points!
> Unsurprisingly, this happenned at the end of the
> month, at the same time I was awarded the huge
> 1st place prize, ahead of Taylor Kingston and Bob.
> That's right folks, I finished ahead of these much,
> much stronger players in a big-money tournament,
> so take that! :)

Play Chess at: http:// www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Your Ranking is Second

First: Taylor Kingston: (Won $7.00)
Won: 37, Lost: 0
Rating: 1262

Second: Nomorechess (Won $5.00)
Won: 30, Lost: 0
Rating: 1170

The Problem Rectified.

Play a game at: http:// www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
>
> IMO, the program seems to be playing better now,
> not tossing away pawns and pieces like it used to.
> In one game, it had me worried I was going to actually
> lose (perish the thought!), but fumbled the ball after
> some twenty-five or thirty moves in. Whew! I would
> never have lived that down. What would IM Innes
> say? How could I show my face in public after losing
> to Sanny's program? I was indeed lucky.

Don't worry soon everyone will be loosing with my game as the game will
be further improved. Just tell me its calculation mistakes and that
will be rectified.

To improve the game tell me as below.

Say P-e5 .... The Move is wrong because ...... And next time you are
going to play with it it will not make that mistake.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http:// www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Date: 02 Aug 2006 01:28:45
From: help bot
Subject: Re: 45 Validation mistake. Use Browsers Not Validators to play games.

> > Apart from looking awful, there are 45 validation errors in the HTML
> > code when validated with the validator produced by the body that sets
> > the standards for web design (W3C). See for yourself at:
> >
> > http://valitor.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.getclub.com%2FChess.html
> >
>
> People playing my game at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html use
> Internet Explorer and Netscape and 99% of them use simmilar Browser.
>
> And 99% of them get no problem while playing the game. So I do not want
> my programmers to waste their time for useless validators. If a
> validator is giving 45 errors for my page
> http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html then there is something wrong with
> the validator.

I don't know anything about "validators", but I noticed a
few unusual problems with the Web site (certainly not
all 45).

When you finish a game, a box pops up saying you
won, and in order to close that box you cannot click
the top righthand corner "X" as with all such windows.
Instead, you must click the (large) button labeled:
"close window", and that does the trick. There are
a few issues like this one on the site.

The priy issue I am having lately is ALL of my
browser windows suddenly getting killed when I at
long last make a move while playing a game. This
used to be a bear, but now that Sanny's program
saves the game in progress, it is merely an
annoying inconvenience.

There has also been some sort of error in the
calculation of my current rating, as after winning
some thirty games in a row one would expect to
have gained a tad more than ten lousy points!
Unsurprisingly, this happenned at the end of the
month, at the same time I was awarded the huge
1st place prize, ahead of Taylor Kingston and Bob.
That's right folks, I finished ahead of these much,
much stronger players in a big-money tournament,
so take that! :)

IMO, the program seems to be playing better now,
not tossing away pawns and pieces like it used to.
In one game, it had me worried I was going to actually
lose (perish the thought!), but fumbled the ball after
some twenty-five or thirty moves in. Whew! I would
never have lived that down. What would IM Innes
say? How could I show my face in public after losing
to Sanny's program? I was indeed lucky.

-- help bot

Date: 02 Aug 2006 01:27:59
From:
Subject: Re: Sanny, games recorded under my name I never played

Sanny wrote:
> I am happy to see the Normal level was able to Draw with you in the
> second game.

I have no idea what you're talking about. Your game can't draw me. You
put a 'draw' under my user-id that I never played!! This looks like the
rook-down game you teleported me into that I mentioned in my previous
message and helpbot mentioned starting then disappearing.

I played you one game and you were down a knight. It looks like that
game has somehow 'disappeared' as you already said.

[Snipping rec.games.chess.politics]

Date: 02 Aug 2006 00:59:54
From: Sanny
Subject: You can save your game to be played later. {within 10 hours}

[email protected] wrote:
> Who would need to cheat?! I found an issue, maybe you can fix it:
>
> Today I decided to play your engine. Within a dozen moves, I easily won
> a knight. Then my computer crashed. When I came back my game was still
> there. Very cool!

Now your game will be saved after disconnect.

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

I found your game the problem, was when your browser crashed the
browser made a wrong move (illegal move) Since the next time computer
started it was unable to recognize that move.

I am happy to see the Normal level was able to Draw with you in the
second game.

You can complete a game if you get disconnected if you start within 10
hours after 10 hours your game will be deleted from our database.

Bye
Sanny

Play a game at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Date: 02 Aug 2006 00:34:08
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Now you cannot Cheat the Computer by closing the browser.

Dave (from the UK) wrote:
> Sanny wrote:
>
> > Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
>
> Did the web site designer go on a special course to learn how to produce
> such an awful looking web site?
>
> Judging by the prize money on offer, I can only assume you have the
> revenue coming in to pay for top quality web designers and send them on
> the very best courses, so I am puzzled how they manage to make such a
> mess of the web site.
>
> Apart from looking awful, there are 45 validation errors in the HTML
> code when validated with the validator produced by the body that sets
> the standards for web design (W3C). See for yourself at:
>
> http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.getclub.com%2FChess.html
>
> And no, I will not be registering.
> --
> Dave K MCSE.

Dave K, can you give examples of what, exactly you
find so horrible about the design?

BTW, he could have gotten Sam Sloan for only 50K. :)

-- help bot

Date: 02 Aug 2006 00:26:33
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Opening Added.

Sanny wrote:
> > 1.e4 e6
> >
> > 2.d4 d5
> >
> > 3.Nd2
> >
> > (Now Sanny's computer played the ludicrous ...Be7 and
> > followed by *not* developing the King's Knight.)
> >
> > ... Nf6
> >
> > 4.e5 N/6-d7
> >
> > 5.Bd3 c5
>
> Your Opening was already there in Computers Memory. Be7 is another
> Opening But its response was Changed by Bob So that Adjusted opening is
> added by Black
>
> placing 4.e5 c5
> instead of 4.e5 Nc6
>
> Earlier it was Playing
> 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nd2 Be7 4.e5 Nc6
>
> Now with New Opening
> 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nd2 Be7 4.e5 c5

Sanny, the problem here is that after Black plays an
early ...Be7, there is nowhere for his King's Knight to
go but h6, and that usually is very bad because the
capture Bxh6 wrecks Black's pawn structure.

Also note that ...Nc6 by Black, played before ...c5,
cramps his position badly in this opening.

-- help bot

Date: 02 Aug 2006 00:21:24
From:
Subject: Re: 45 Validation mistake. Use Browsers Not Validators to play games.

Dave (from the UK) wrote:

> Firefox is more popular than I thought.

I like some of its features (smoother scrolling, tabbed browsers), plus
using Firefox encourages competition in the browser arena, which
benefits most folks.

If there were only one browser, web development would be too easy. ;-)

> To me at least the web site looks awful.
> ...
> Anyway, I don't really care. From what I gather from others, there
> really is no point in playing there.

Some players win in a dozen moves... I can make it to hang a piece and
win every time. You aren't missing much.

> I have also removed rec.games.chess.politics.

Good idea,

Cheers.

Date: 01 Aug 2006 21:17:52
From:
Subject: Re: 45 Validation mistake. Use Browsers Not Validators to play games.

> > People playing my game at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html use
> > Internet Explorer and Netscape and 99% of them use simmilar Browser.

> Firefox's popularity must be at least 10% now - probably more.

According to http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp:

57.8% IE6
25.0% Firefox

Date: 02 Aug 2006 06:16:27
From: Dave (from the UK)
Subject: Re: 45 Validation mistake. Use Browsers Not Validators to play games.

[email protected] wrote:
>>>People playing my game at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html use
>>>Internet Explorer and Netscape and 99% of them use simmilar Browser.
>
>
>>Firefox's popularity must be at least 10% now - probably more.
>
>
> According to http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp:
>
> 57.8% IE6
> 25.0% Firefox
>

Firefox is more popular than I thought.

I should have known it was well over 10% as my own server logs showed
this a couple of year ago. I don't tend to analyse the data in such
detail now (after I got hacked due to a security hole in the awstats web
server analysis program).

I note Netscape is around 0.4%, so I'm not sure why Sanny thinks his
site has 99% of people using Internet Explorer and Netscape. Those stats
would suggest he has under 60% using those two browsers.

To me at least the web site looks awful. I think its a combination of
the layout, colour scheme and ads. Given the quality of the HTML (i.e.
badly written) it might well look different on another browser.

Anyway, I don't really care. From what I gather from others, there
really is no point in playing there.

I have also removed rec.games.chess.politics.

--
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Date: 01 Aug 2006 21:06:22
From:
Subject: Re: Now you cannot Cheat the Computer by closing the browser.

Who would need to cheat?! I found an issue, maybe you can fix it:

Today I decided to play your engine. Within a dozen moves, I easily won
a knight. Then my computer crashed. When I came back my game was still
there. Very cool!

Well, I exchanged some pieces to head towards a won endgame, when my
browser crashed. Sigh. I came back to your site and it again plopped me
down into a game... but it wasn't my game. Instead, this is some
pathetic game where White is down a rook!!

Can you fix things so I can return to my original game, or at least
start a new game? I have no intention of giving your program rook odds,
even though I still might win.

Sanny wrote:
> Now all Chess games at GetClub have to be completed before playing a
> new game. If your connection disconnects then when you restart the
> game, You can play your Old game or Resign that game.
>
> So, You can also postpone your game for another day.
>
> Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
>
> This way, You cannot cheat the computer by just closing your browser
> when you are loosing.
>
> All your Games will be recorded and your Ranking will be affected if
> you resign a game.
>
> For games played with Human Opponents you are declared lost as soon as
> you disconnect So there is no need to replay a game with Human
> Opponent.
>
> But When you are playing with a Computer you can stop your game in
> between, take lunch and go for a drive come back and again start
> playing the game.
>
> Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
>
> Below is another game played yestrerday by Bob. Look again how Bob
> sacrifices its Rook for Bishop and take control of the Board.
>
> http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM2353&game=Chess
>
> View above Recorded game Played by Bob(White) with Master Level(Black).
>
> Bye
> Sanny
>
> Play a game at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Date: 01 Aug 2006 20:58:35
From: Scott
Subject: Re: 45 Validation mistake. Use Browsers Not Validators to play games.

Sanny wrote:
> Dave (from the UK) wrote:
> > Sanny wrote:
> >
> > > Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
> >
> > Did the web site designer go on a special course to learn how to produce
> > such an awful looking web site?
> > >
> > Apart from looking awful, there are 45 validation errors in the HTML
> > code when validated with the validator produced by the body that sets
> > the standards for web design (W3C). See for yourself at:
> >
> > http://valitor.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.getclub.com%2FChess.html
> >
>
> People playing my game at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html use
> Internet Explorer and Netscape and 99% of them use simmilar Browser.
>
> And 99% of them get no problem while playing the game. So I do not want
> my programmers to waste their time for useless validators. If a
> validator is giving 45 errors for my page
> http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html then there is something wrong with
> the validator.
>
> I do not want any one to play at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
> using that validator. If a validator gives 45 errors for my
> http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html page then I think the people who
> designed such validator are Mad or away from reality.
>
> And I wonder why you used the Validator for my website. I feel Either
> you are a big stupid or you are keting person of that Validator
> Company. Use Browsers instead of Validators for playing Chess.
>
> Such Stupid, types of reks on my http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
> will not be ignored. If you want to play a game just visit
> http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html with a browser. and no need to use a
> validator.
>
> I wonder you first Validate Sites then Visit them that shows your
> stupidity.
>
> There are Three people on this group creating Nonsense
>
> 1. Wlodzimierz Holsztynski
> 2. Nick
> 3. Dave
>
> You three people have enough time to fool arround. Wlodzimierz
> Holsztynski sent me a personnal message trying to create friendhip but
> I didn't replied. Then he is just shouting useless things.
>
> I find you three people have no work. I assume you are Rich people who
> just try to make fun of others.
>
> Ha Ha Ha 45 Validation mistake what a joke. Ha Ha Ha. What rubbish you
> talk.
>
> Do not use Validators but use your Browsers to visit any websites.
>
>
> Bye
> Sanny
>

Yeah, that damn w3c. LOL.

Date: 01 Aug 2006 20:52:06
From: Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod)
Subject: Re: 45 Validation mistake. Use Browsers Not Validators to play games.

Sanny wrote:
>
> Wlodzimierz Holsztynski sent me a personnal message
> trying to create friendhip

That would be nice on my part.
Actually, I have just tried to
have an account.

> but I didn't replied.

Neither you, personally, nor
your system. I tried twice or trice.
Your system is not working properly.

Wlod

Date: 01 Aug 2006 04:14:54
From: Sanny
Subject: 45 Validation mistake. Use Browsers Not Validators to play games.

Dave (from the UK) wrote:
> Sanny wrote:
>
> > Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
>
> Did the web site designer go on a special course to learn how to produce
> such an awful looking web site?
> >
> Apart from looking awful, there are 45 validation errors in the HTML
> code when validated with the validator produced by the body that sets
> the standards for web design (W3C). See for yourself at:
>
> http://valitor.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.getclub.com%2FChess.html
>

People playing my game at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html use
Internet Explorer and Netscape and 99% of them use simmilar Browser.

And 99% of them get no problem while playing the game. So I do not want
my programmers to waste their time for useless validators. If a
validator is giving 45 errors for my page
http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html then there is something wrong with
the validator.

I do not want any one to play at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
using that validator. If a validator gives 45 errors for my
http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html page then I think the people who
designed such validator are Mad or away from reality.

And I wonder why you used the Validator for my website. I feel Either
you are a big stupid or you are keting person of that Validator
Company. Use Browsers instead of Validators for playing Chess.

Such Stupid, types of reks on my http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
will not be ignored. If you want to play a game just visit
http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html with a browser. and no need to use a
validator.

I wonder you first Validate Sites then Visit them that shows your
stupidity.

There are Three people on this group creating Nonsense

1. Wlodzimierz Holsztynski
2. Nick
3. Dave

You three people have enough time to fool arround. Wlodzimierz
Holsztynski sent me a personnal message trying to create friendhip but
I didn't replied. Then he is just shouting useless things.

I find you three people have no work. I assume you are Rich people who
just try to make fun of others.

Ha Ha Ha 45 Validation mistake what a joke. Ha Ha Ha. What rubbish you
talk.

Do not use Validators but use your Browsers to visit any websites.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Date: 01 Aug 2006 12:43:12
From: Chris Mattern
Subject: Re: 45 Validation mistake. Use Browsers Not Validators to play games.

Sanny wrote:
> Dave (from the UK) wrote:
>
>>Sanny wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
>>
>>Did the web site designer go on a special course to learn how to produce
>>such an awful looking web site?
>>
>>Apart from looking awful, there are 45 validation errors in the HTML
>>code when validated with the validator produced by the body that sets
>>the standards for web design (W3C). See for yourself at:
>>
>>http://valitor.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.getclub.com%2FChess.html
>>
>
>
> People playing my game at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html use
> Internet Explorer and Netscape and 99% of them use simmilar Browser.
>
> And 99% of them get no problem while playing the game. So I do not want
> my programmers to waste their time for useless validators. If a
> validator is giving 45 errors for my page
> http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html then there is something wrong with
> the validator.
>
> I do not want any one to play at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
> using that validator. If a validator gives 45 errors for my
> http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html page then I think the people who
> designed such validator are Mad or away from reality.
>
> And I wonder why you used the Validator for my website. I feel Either
> you are a big stupid or you are keting person of that Validator
> Company. Use Browsers instead of Validators for playing Chess.
>
> Such Stupid, types of reks on my http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
> will not be ignored. If you want to play a game just visit
> http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html with a browser. and no need to use a
> validator.

Sanny, you have absolutely no idea what a validator is, what it does,
who makes it, or what it represents, do you?

(Trimming the absolutely irrelevant rec.games.chess.politics from
the newsgroups)

Chris Mattern

Date: 01 Aug 2006 12:40:07
From: Dave (from the UK)
Subject: Re: 45 Validation mistake. Use Browsers Not Validators to play games.

Sanny wrote:
> Dave (from the UK) wrote:
>
>>Sanny wrote:
>>

>>Apart from looking awful, there are 45 validation errors in the HTML
>>code when validated with the validator produced by the body that sets
>>the standards for web design (W3C). See for yourself at:
>>
>>http://valitor.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.getclub.com%2FChess.html
>>

Interesting how you changed the URL in my post from the one I actually
posted:

http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.getclub.com%2FChess.html

which shows the 45 errors, to the non-existent

http://valitor.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.getclub.com%2FChess.html

I can only assume you typed it in wrong - cut and paste is less error
prone.

--
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It is always of the form: [email protected]
Hitting reply will work for a few months only - later set it manually.

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Date: 01 Aug 2006 12:27:37
From: Dave (from the UK)
Subject: Re: 45 Validation mistake. Use Browsers Not Validators to play games.

Sanny wrote:

> People playing my game at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html use
> Internet Explorer and Netscape and 99% of them use simmilar Browser.

Unless you have a very odd set of individual, or a very low sample, I
doubt 99% are using them two browsers. Firefox's popularity must be at
least 10% now - probably more.

> And 99% of them get no problem while playing the game.

And many like myself are probably put off by how bad the web site is. It
really is in a class of its own.

> my programmers to waste their time for useless validators. If a
> validator is giving 45 errors for my page
> http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html then there is something wrong with
> the validator.

OK, if that is what you feel, there is no point continuing.

--
Dave (from the UK)

Please note my email address changes periodically to avoid spam.
It is always of the form: [email protected]
Hitting reply will work for a few months only - later set it manually.

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Date: 01 Aug 2006 03:40:39
From: Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (wlod)
Subject: Re: Opening Added.

Sanny keeps crossposting his
garbage to:

rec.games.chess.politics

Sanny, form now on, each time
I catch you crossposting nonsense
to r.g.c.politics I will report you to "abuse".

Stop crossposting your ads to r.g.c.politics

Wlod

Date: 01 Aug 2006 03:30:33
From: Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (wlod)
Subject: Re: Now you cannot Cheat the Computer by closing the browser.

Sanny keeps crossposting to

rec.games.chess.politics

***

>From now on, Sanny, each time you
crosspost your garbage to r.g.c.politics,
I'll report you to "abuse".

Wlod

PS. Are you conducting a social/psychological
experiment? You robot like persistance is
strange. Are you autistic like Sam Sloan?
You are already more "notable" than him.

Date: 01 Aug 2006 11:04:58
From: Dave (from the UK)
Subject: Re: Now you cannot Cheat the Computer by closing the browser.

Sanny wrote:

> Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Did the web site designer go on a special course to learn how to produce
such an awful looking web site?

Judging by the prize money on offer, I can only assume you have the
revenue coming in to pay for top quality web designers and send them on
the very best courses, so I am puzzled how they manage to make such a
mess of the web site.

Apart from looking awful, there are 45 validation errors in the HTML
code when validated with the validator produced by the body that sets
the standards for web design (W3C). See for yourself at:

http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.getclub.com%2FChess.html

And no, I will not be registering.
--
Dave K MCSE.

MCSE = Minefield Consultant and Solitaire Expert.

Please note my email address changes periodically to avoid spam.
It is always of the form:

[email protected]

Hitting reply will work for a few months only - later set it manually.

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Date: 01 Aug 2006 11:23:57
From: David Richerby
Subject: Re: Now you cannot Cheat the Computer by closing the browser.

Dave (from the UK) <[email protected] > wrote:
> Apart from looking awful, there are 45 validation errors in the HTML
> code when validated with the validator produced by the body that sets
> the standards for web design (W3C).

Since you're so keen on web standards, is there any chance you could
drop your signature from its current twelve lines to the commonly
accepted four?

Dave.

--
David Richerby Impossible Perforated Flower (TM):
www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~davidr/ it's like a flower but it's full of
holes and it can't exist!

Date: 01 Aug 2006 02:37:09
From: Sanny
Subject: Opening Added.

> 1.e4 e6
>
> 2.d4 d5
>
> 3.Nd2
>
> (Now Sanny's computer played the ludicrous ...Be7 and
> followed by *not* developing the King's Knight.)
>
> ... Nf6
>
> 4.e5 N/6-d7
>
> 5.Bd3 c5

Your Opening was already there in Computers Memory. Be7 is another
Opening But its response was Changed by Bob So that Adjusted opening is
added by Black

placing 4.e5 c5
instead of 4.e5 Nc6

Earlier it was Playing
1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nd2 Be7 4.e5 Nc6

Now with New Opening
1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nd2 Be7 4.e5 c5

So it will make Black stronger on Queen side.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Date: 01 Aug 2006 00:34:09
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Now you cannot Cheat the Computer by closing the browser.

Sanny wrote:

> Now all Chess games at GetClub have to be completed before playing a
> new game. If your connection disconnects then when you restart the
> game, You can play your Old game or Resign that game.
>
> So, You can also postpone your game for another day.
>
> Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
>
> This way, You cannot cheat the computer by just closing your browser
> when you are loosing.
>
> All your Games will be recorded and your Ranking will be affected if
> you resign a game.
>
> For games played with Human Opponents you are declared lost as soon as
> you disconnect So there is no need to replay a game with Human
> Opponent.
>
> But When you are playing with a Computer you can stop your game in
> between, take lunch and go for a drive come back and again start
> playing the game.
>
> Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
>
> Below is another game played yestrerday by Bob. Look again how Bob
> sacrifices its Rook for Bishop and take control of the Board.

Sanny, this game was not decided by the sacrifice of
Rook for Bishop. That was merely the computer's way
of "cashing in" its *already decisive* advantage.

Your program misplayed this opening horribly, most
of the time just "king time" while its much stronger
opponent developed pieces. Here is a much better way
to handle this opening for Black:

1.e4 e6

2.d4 d5

3.Nd2

(Now Sanny's computer played the ludicrous ...Be7 and
followed by *not* developing the King's Knight.)

... Nf6

4.e5 N/6-d7

5.Bd3 c5

Note that here it is Black -- not White -- who will gain
the upperhand on the Queenside. White's chances in this
opening are supposed to be on the Kingside, yet Sanny's
program played so poorly that White was able to build up
a winning advantage on both sides of the board, cashing in
on the Queenside, as it happenned.

I would pinpoint the move a3 as somewhat demonstrative
of a non-human intelligence behind these moves. Only a
weak player would deliberately trade White's best minor
piece (that includes Bishops and Knights) for a Knight
here -- or a computer, which has been (mis)programmed to
treat them as equals. And we know that Bob is not a weak
player.

I believe "Bob" has a record of having lost one game, but
only the last ten games played are accessable, so I cannot
make a better evaluation than this: IMO, Bob is using a
decent, perhaps very good, computer program, and because
he (recently) only plays Sanny's horrible program, it is simply
impossible to try and judge whether Bob or Taylor Kingston
is the strongest player on GetClub. The thing is, there is no
resistance! The latest promise to improve the speed (again)
will of course be useless, as a weak program running at
twice the speed, is still a weak program.

I am glad the program has been modified to prevent
disconnects saving the game from being recorded as a
loss. I would expect that any sudden gains in terms of
improved results by Sanny's program will be the result of
this change, and not from any supposed improvements
in speed, the gains from which should be minimal.

-- help bot