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Date: 25 Mar 2008 09:27:40
From: Sanny
Subject: Now you can subscibe Monthly/ yearly at GetClub Chess.
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Play as many games as you want at GetClub Just purchase a Monthly/
Yearly package Just like at Other Sites.
Get 1 month Chess Subscription (~ 40 Games) $5.00
Get 2 months Chess Subscription (~ 100 Games) $10.00
Get 4 months Chess Subscription (~ 225 Games) $20.00
Get 1 year Chess Subscription (~ 600 Games) $50.00
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
The fees has been reduced a lot. So you can enjoy Chess and play
unlimited Games at GetClub. So I am waiting for herds of Players
comming to drink water at GetClub Chess.
You can download the Chess if you have Windows System. And Come again
and again to play Chess at GetClub.
Is there anyone who can Challenge Help Bots Score?
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 28 Mar 2008 07:53:39
From: Chess Nuggets
Subject: Re: Now you can subscibe Monthly/ yearly at GetClub Chess.
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On 26, 6:50 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected] > wrote:
> On 26, 12:51 am, Sanny <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > Sanny ---- you need to understand your value proposition relative to
> > > competing value propositions.
>
> > Someone showed me other sites are taking $50/ year Subscription fees.
> > Do you think that below rates are still high?
> > Get 1 year Chess Subscription (~ 600 Games) $50.00
>
> > What should be the rates as per your thinking that will attract a lot
> > of people.
>
> It is a combination of rate and value. ICC costs more --- $60.00 per
> year --- but with thousands of players including dozens of computer
> opponents, lectures, relays, tournaments, etc., many people obviously
> feel this is a good value for the money. Playchess is very busy also
> and costs (IIRC) around $30 per year. Both of these sites offer far
> more than GitClub offers at present.
>
> Ask yourself WHY people would want to pay for GitClub when other sites
> offer much more for comparable prices?
>
I ask myself why pay at all? FICS is free, has as many players as I$$
and
the babaschess interface is way better than that spyware crap I$$
uses.
> I realize that you want to recoup some of your investment in your
> site. But you are up against competition that is so far superior that
> you will have a hard time of it. In my own case, since I have limited
> money to spend, I would not pay even $10 per year for GitClub because
> I would rather put my money into something that offers more value.
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Date: 28 Mar 2008 07:50:04
From: Chess Nuggets
Subject: Re: Now you can subscibe Monthly/ yearly at GetClub Chess.
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On 25, 9:27 am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:
> Play as many games as you want at GetClub Just purchase a Monthly/
> Yearly package Just like at Other Sites.
>
> Get 1 month Chess Subscription (~ 40 Games) $5.00
> Get 2 months Chess Subscription (~ 100 Games) $10.00
> Get 4 months Chess Subscription (~ 225 Games) $20.00
> Get 1 year Chess Subscription (~ 600 Games) $50.00
>
> Play Chess at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
>
> The fees has been reduced a lot. So you can enjoy Chess and play
> unlimited Games at GetClub. So I am waiting for herds of Players
> comming to drink water at GetClub Chess.
>
> You can download the Chess if you have Windows System. And Come again
> and again to play Chess at GetClub.
>
> Is there anyone who can Challenge Help Bots Score?
>
> Bye
> Sanny
>
> Play Chess at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
Heck, play chess at FICS www.freechess.org and play against 1000's of
humans
or 100's of computers of varying strength, and it's free. Makes no
sense to pay
at getblub.com
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Date: 28 Mar 2008 04:58:13
From:
Subject: Re: Now you can subscibe Monthly/ yearly at GetClub Chess.
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On 27, 9:48=A0am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:
> 1. It do not have 50 move rule for Draw.
> Normally this happens when Computer is winning, Then Player can resign
Just to state the obvious which apparently escapes you ....
By definition The Computer is NOT Winning at this
point. The human player or GitClub itself would be
entitled to claim an immediate draw. So At Best
The Game Is Drawn and could possibly be lost if
the human opponent were able to make a capture
or pawn move at that point with advantage.
Clear to you now? There is Absolutely No
Justification for the human player being forced
to resign when they are entitled to an immediate
draw!
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Date: 28 Mar 2008 04:48:04
From:
Subject: Re: Now you can subscibe Monthly/ yearly at GetClub Chess.
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On 28, 12:42=A0am, help bot <[email protected] > wrote:
> On 27, 10:48 am, Sanny <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > 1. GetClub Chess gives Draw for 3 fold repetition
>
> =A0 I have had many games where the program
> did *not* give me a draw after countless
> three-fold repetitions of position. =A0Perhaps it
> only grants the draw when it is the one losing.
>
> =A0 -- help bot
Yes indeed and with some further checking
it will also play on in perpetuity in such
thrilling scenarios as B+N vs B, B+N vs R,
K+P vs K where the defender has the
oposition and so on. Without a 50 move
rule Git Club thinks it is winning and thus
the game will never end! Make one wonder
what percentage of the GitClubs "wins"
should actually have been draws doesn't it.
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Date: 27 Mar 2008 22:42:12
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Now you can subscibe Monthly/ yearly at GetClub Chess.
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On 27, 10:48 am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:
> 1. GetClub Chess gives Draw for 3 fold repetition
I have had many games where the program
did *not* give me a draw after countless
three-fold repetitions of position. Perhaps it
only grants the draw when it is the one losing.
-- help bot
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Date: 27 Mar 2008 13:02:30
From:
Subject: Re: Now you can subscibe Monthly/ yearly at GetClub Chess.
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On 27, 9:48=A0am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:
> 1. GetClub Chess gives Draw for 3 fold repetition
> 2. For insufficient Material
Both statements are incorrect.
It flat out does not honor 3 fold repetition as I have
observed nor even 50 fold!
Perhaps "Insufficient Material" was too general.
It will play on in perperuity with, for example
a wrong colored bishop and a rook pawn among
other possibilities.
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From: Martin Brown
Subject: Re: Now you can subscibe Monthly/ yearly at GetClub Chess.
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Date: 27 Mar 2008 07:48:03
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Now you can subscibe Monthly/ yearly at GetClub Chess.
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> > 90% of the players now loose to even Beginner Level. Only Help Bot and
> > a few others are able to win the Beginner Level.
>
> Perhaps this is because GitClub doesn't accept countless possible
> scenarios as draws. These include insufficient mating material,
> three fold repetition, 50 move made without a pawn advance or
> capture,
> perpetual check (actuall just a subcase of three fold repetition) and
> so on?
1. GetClub Chess gives Draw for 3 fold repetition
2. For insufficient Material
However It do not have 50 move Rule. Say It has Rook Extra and it is
unable to bring Mate then it keeps playing till opponent resign.
There are only 2 illegal things GetClub has.
1. It do not have 50 move rule for Draw.
Normally this happens when Computer is winning, Then Player can resign
2. When there is Check-Mate, It moves its king to a place where it can
be killed.
Since game is Over it does not make any difference what the Computer
played after Mate.
Rest all rules are followed correctly.
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 27 Mar 2008 21:58:56
From: Kenneth Sloan
Subject: Re: Now you can subscibe Monthly/ yearly at GetClub Chess.
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Sanny wrote:
>>> 90% of the players now loose to even Beginner Level. Only Help Bot and
>>> a few others are able to win the Beginner Level.
>> Perhaps this is because GitClub doesn't accept countless possible
>> scenarios as draws. These include insufficient mating material,
>> three fold repetition, 50 move made without a pawn advance or
>> capture,
>> perpetual check (actuall just a subcase of three fold repetition) and
>> so on?
>
> 1. GetClub Chess gives Draw for 3 fold repetition
> 2. For insufficient Material
>
> However It do not have 50 move Rule. Say It has Rook Extra and it is
> unable to bring Mate then it keeps playing till opponent resign.
>
> There are only 2 illegal things GetClub has.
>
First - that's not true.
Second - even if it were true, it's still unacceptable. Let us know
when GetClub plays *chess* - and until then, please remain silent.
--
Kenneth Sloan [email protected]
Computer and Information Sciences +1-205-932-2213
University of Alabama at Birmingham FAX +1-205-934-5473
Birmingham, AL 35294-1170 http://KennethRSloan.com/
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Date: 27 Mar 2008 06:42:44
From:
Subject: Re: Now you can subscibe Monthly/ yearly at GetClub Chess.
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On 27, 2:19=A0am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:
> On 27, 3:31=A0am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
> But Most of the games are either won by GetClub or by Opponent. Very
> few games get drawn.
>
> 90% of the players now loose to even Beginner Level. Only Help Bot and
> a few others are able to win the Beginner Level.
Perhaps this is because GitClub doesn't accept countless possible
scenarios as draws. These include insufficient mating material,
three fold repetition, 50 move made without a pawn advance or
capture,
perpetual check (actuall just a subcase of three fold repetition) and
so on?
As a result the human player gets to choose between playing GitClub in
perpetuety, never playing GitClub again leaving the game incomplete
(a good solid choice IMHO) or resigning in disgust!
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Date: 27 Mar 2008 00:19:10
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Now you can subscibe Monthly/ yearly at GetClub Chess.
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On 27, 3:31=A0am, "[email protected]" <[email protected] > wrote:
> > When willGetClubplay legalchess?
>
> What? =A0And eliminate GitClub's outstanding "feature"? =A0No draws at
> GitClub! =A0You either win or "loose"! =A0 If you don't beat it, you've
> lost!
There are many games where the Game is Drawn.
But Most of the games are either won by GetClub or by Opponent. Very
few games get drawn.
90% of the players now loose to even Beginner Level. Only Help Bot and
a few others are able to win the Beginner Level.
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 26 Mar 2008 15:31:02
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Now you can subscibe Monthly/ yearly at GetClub Chess.
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> When will GetClub play legal chess?
What? And eliminate GitClub's outstanding "feature"? No draws at
GitClub! You either win or "loose"! If you don't beat it, you've
lost!
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Date: 26 Mar 2008 20:51:24
From: Guy Macon
Subject: Re: Now you can subscibe Monthly/ yearly at GetClub Chess.
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Sanny wrote:
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>> I realize that you want to recoup some of your investment in your
>> site. �But you are up against competition that is so far superior that
>> you will have a hard time of it. �In my own case, since I have limited
>> money to spend, I would not pay even $10 per year for GitClub because
>> I would rather put my money into something that offers more value.
>
>What are the other values I can give other than Playing Chess?
I will pay you $10 if you spend a year without spamming.
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Date: 26 Mar 2008 18:34:45
From: Thomas T. Veldhouse
Subject: Re: Now you can subscibe Monthly/ yearly at GetClub Chess.
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In rec.games.chess.computer Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:
<snip >
DOES THE SPAM NEVER END? CONSIDER YOURSELF REPORTED.
--
Thomas T. Veldhouse
In the land of the dark the Ship of the Sun is driven by the Grateful Dead.
-- Egyptian Book of the Dead
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Date: 26 Mar 2008 10:09:51
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Now you can subscibe Monthly/ yearly at GetClub Chess.
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> I realize that you want to recoup some of your investment in your
> site. =A0But you are up against competition that is so far superior that
> you will have a hard time of it. =A0In my own case, since I have limited
> money to spend, I would not pay even $10 per year for GitClub because
> I would rather put my money into something that offers more value.
What are the other values I can give other than Playing Chess?
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 26 Mar 2008 15:19:06
From: Kenneth Sloan
Subject: Re: Now you can subscibe Monthly/ yearly at GetClub Chess.
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Sanny wrote:
>> I realize that you want to recoup some of your investment in your
>> site. But you are up against competition that is so far superior that
>> you will have a hard time of it. In my own case, since I have limited
>> money to spend, I would not pay even $10 per year for GitClub because
>> I would rather put my money into something that offers more value.
>
> What are the other values I can give other than Playing Chess?
>
When will GetClub play legal chess?
--
Kenneth Sloan [email protected]
Computer and Information Sciences +1-205-932-2213
University of Alabama at Birmingham FAX +1-205-934-5473
Birmingham, AL 35294-1170 http://KennethRSloan.com/
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Date: 26 Mar 2008 18:45:35
From: Thomas T. Veldhouse
Subject: Re: Now you can subscibe Monthly/ yearly at GetClub Chess.
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In rec.games.chess.computer Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:
>
> What are the other values I can give other than Playing Chess?
>
You were just told you fool. Why don't you take a look at this FREE site:
http://www.freechess.org and see what they offer, which is INFINITELY better
than GetClub. Or take a look at:
http://www.chessclub.com for the premier chess club on the Internet (otherwise
referred to as ICC for Internet Chess Club).
You offer nothing but the ability to play against onces own computer and have
stats stored on your site ... I can do that for free with Crafty and SCID or
any number of other UIs ... plus play for free at FICS. I have years worth of
credit at Playchess due to my purchases of chessbase products.
Why GetClub? No good reason at all ... other than you continually SPAM here.
Yes, I am upset after a few postings that I have seen from you lately.
--
Thomas T. Veldhouse
In the land of the dark the Ship of the Sun is driven by the Grateful Dead.
-- Egyptian Book of the Dead
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Date: 26 Mar 2008 06:50:10
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Now you can subscibe Monthly/ yearly at GetClub Chess.
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On 26, 12:51 am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:
> > Sanny ---- you need to understand your value proposition relative to
> > competing value propositions.
>
> Someone showed me other sites are taking $50/ year Subscription fees.
> Do you think that below rates are still high?
> Get 1 year Chess Subscription (~ 600 Games) $50.00
>
> What should be the rates as per your thinking that will attract a lot
> of people.
It is a combination of rate and value. ICC costs more --- $60.00 per
year --- but with thousands of players including dozens of computer
opponents, lectures, relays, tournaments, etc., many people obviously
feel this is a good value for the money. Playchess is very busy also
and costs (IIRC) around $30 per year. Both of these sites offer far
more than GitClub offers at present.
Ask yourself WHY people would want to pay for GitClub when other sites
offer much more for comparable prices?
I realize that you want to recoup some of your investment in your
site. But you are up against competition that is so far superior that
you will have a hard time of it. In my own case, since I have limited
money to spend, I would not pay even $10 per year for GitClub because
I would rather put my money into something that offers more value.
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From: Martin Brown
Subject: Re: Now you can subscibe Monthly/ yearly at GetClub Chess.
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Date: 25 Mar 2008 23:54:09
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Now you can subscibe Monthly/ yearly at GetClub Chess.
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> =A0 I told Sanny long ago that he should use
> the Sam Sloan model, which is to place
> paid advertisements on his site and then
> get people there by letting them play
> psuedo-chess for free. =A0Some Web sites
> will do an "exchange": you place a link to
> their site on yours, and they will place a
> link to your site on theirs.
A big problem is that popup blocker stops the Advertisements on the
site.
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 25 Mar 2008 23:51:54
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Now you can subscibe Monthly/ yearly at GetClub Chess.
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> Sanny ---- you need to understand your value proposition relative to
> competing value propositions.
Someone showed me other sites are taking $50/ year Subscription fees.
Do you think that below rates are still high?
Get 1 month Chess Subscription (~ 40 Games) $5.00
Get 2 months Chess Subscription (~ 100 Games) $10.00
Get 4 months Chess Subscription (~ 225 Games) $20.00
Get 1 year Chess Subscription (~ 600 Games) $50.00
What should be the rates as per your thinking that will attract a lot
of people. Give me examples of other sites and how much they are
asking for 1 month/ 2month/ 4 month / 1 year Subscriptions.
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 25 Mar 2008 16:46:15
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Now you can subscibe Monthly/ yearly at GetClub Chess.
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On 25, 4:47 pm, "[email protected]" <[email protected] > wrote:
> > Get 1 year Chess Subscription (~ 600 Games) $50.00
>
> So for a few dollars less than the cost of Fritz 11 (which is
> currently $58 including shipping from Cajun Chess, as one example),
> you can play chess at GitClub for a year. Of course, if you buy Fritz
> 11, a one year subscription to PlayChess.com is also included.
>
> So which option should a person choose? Fritz 11 plus a year of play
> at playchess for $58, or a year of play at GitClub for $50?
Just a word of warning: Fritz 11 is not going
to be an easy k; in order to win, you may
find yourself ordering the multi-processor
version of Deep Rybka, and giving yourself
extra time. But you can just play other
humans at playchess... . ; >D
> Sanny ---- you need to understand your value proposition relative to
> competing value propositions.
I told Sanny long ago that he should use
the Sam Sloan model, which is to place
paid advertisements on his site and then
get people there by letting them play
psuedo-chess for free. Some Web sites
will do an "exchange": you place a link to
their site on yours, and they will place a
link to your site on theirs.
Another idea is to have pop-up ads
appear, say, every time you put the
GetClub computer in check: an Oreo
cookie appears in the window, saying
"buy more Oreo cookies!". I know it
won't work, but it might train players to
avoid attacking the computer's King... .
-- help bot
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Date: 25 Mar 2008 13:47:20
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Now you can subscibe Monthly/ yearly at GetClub Chess.
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> Get 1 year Chess Subscription (~ 600 Games) $50.00
So for a few dollars less than the cost of Fritz 11 (which is
currently $58 including shipping from Cajun Chess, as one example),
you can play chess at GitClub for a year. Of course, if you buy Fritz
11, a one year subscription to PlayChess.com is also included.
So which option should a person choose? Fritz 11 plus a year of play
at playchess for $58, or a year of play at GitClub for $50?
Sanny ---- you need to understand your value proposition relative to
competing value propositions.
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