New GC vs Ivan thread

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Date: 07 Aug 2008 07:55:38
From: SAT W-7
Subject: New GC vs Ivan thread

King G-8 to E-7

still with me Sanny ?

Our thread went to the next page so i just wanted to make sure you can
still see our game

Date: 07 Aug 2008 22:26:12
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: New GC vs Ivan thread

Played P-f3 (Pf2-f3)

GetClub-Easy IVAN -60sec
White Black

1. e4 e5
2. d4 exd4
3. Qxd4 Nc6
4. Qd5 Nf6
5. Qd3 Bc5
6. Be3 Nb4
7. Qc4 Be7
8. Nf3 Nxe4
9. Bd3 d5
10. Qd4 Nxd3+
11. cxd3 c5
12. Qxg7 Bf6
13. Qh6 Bxb2
14. Nbd2 Bxa1
15. dxe4 d4
16. Bg5 Qb6
17. Qg7 Rf8
18. Bh6 Qd6
19. e5 Qe7
20. Qxh7 f5
21. Qxe7+ Kxe7
22. Bxf8+ Kxf8
23. 0-0 Bc3
24. Rb1 b6
25. Nc4 Be6
26. Nd6 Bxa2
27. Rd1 f4
28. h3 a5
29. Rd3 a4
30. Nh4 Ke7
31. Ng6+ Ke6
32. f3

You played Ke6, In return GetClub played f3.

If we loose thread we can restart a new thread with list of moves.
Play whenever you are free.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Date: 08 Aug 2008 09:42:42
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: New GC vs Ivan thread

Played R-d1 (Rd3-d1)

GetClub-Easy IVAN -60sec
White Black

1. e4 e5
2. d4 exd4
3. Qxd4 Nc6
4. Qd5 Nf6
5. Qd3 Bc5
6. Be3 Nb4
7. Qc4 Be7
8. Nf3 Nxe4
9. Bd3 d5
10. Qd4 Nxd3+
11. cxd3 c5
12. Qxg7 Bf6
13. Qh6 Bxb2
14. Nbd2 Bxa1
15. dxe4 d4
16. Bg5 Qb6
17. Qg7 Rf8
18. Bh6 Qd6
19. e5 Qe7
20. Qxh7 f5
21. Qxe7+ Kxe7
22. Bxf8+ Kxf8
23. 0-0 Bc3
24. Rb1 b6
25. Nc4 Be6
26. Nd6 Bxa2
27. Rd1 f4
28. h3 a5
29. Rd3 a4
30. Nh4 Ke7
31. Ng6+ Ke6
32. f3 c4
33. Rd1

Played Rook to d1.

If we loose thread we can restart a new thread with list of moves.
Play whenever you are free.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Date: 08 Aug 2008 23:13:21
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: New GC vs Ivan thread

Played Nxf4 (Ng6xf4)

GetClub-Easy IVAN -60sec
White Black

1. e4 e5
2. d4 exd4
3. Qxd4 Nc6
4. Qd5 Nf6
5. Qd3 Bc5
6. Be3 Nb4
7. Qc4 Be7
8. Nf3 Nxe4
9. Bd3 d5
10. Qd4 Nxd3+
11. cxd3 c5
12. Qxg7 Bf6
13. Qh6 Bxb2
14. Nbd2 Bxa1
15. dxe4 d4
16. Bg5 Qb6
17. Qg7 Rf8
18. Bh6 Qd6
19. e5 Qe7
20. Qxh7 f5
21. Qxe7+ Kxe7
22. Bxf8+ Kxf8
23. 0-0 Bc3
24. Rb1 b6
25. Nc4 Be6
26. Nd6 Bxa2
27. Rd1 f4
28. h3 a5
29. Rd3 a4
30. Nh4 Ke7
31. Ng6+ Ke6
32. f3 c4
33. Rd1 d3
34. Nxf4

Knight took your f4 pawn.

There was a bug in the game when it started thats the reasion GetClub
played so badly.

If we loose thread we can restart a new thread with list of moves.
Play whenever you are free.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Date: 09 Aug 2008 03:34:09
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: New GC vs Ivan thread

Played N-b5 (Nd6-b5)

GetClub-Easy IVAN -60sec
White Black

1. e4 e5
2. d4 exd4
3. Qxd4 Nc6
4. Qd5 Nf6
5. Qd3 Bc5
6. Be3 Nb4
7. Qc4 Be7
8. Nf3 Nxe4
9. Bd3 d5
10. Qd4 Nxd3+
11. cxd3 c5
12. Qxg7 Bf6
13. Qh6 Bxb2
14. Nbd2 Bxa1
15. dxe4 d4
16. Bg5 Qb6
17. Qg7 Rf8
18. Bh6 Qd6
19. e5 Qe7
20. Qxh7 f5
21. Qxe7+ Kxe7
22. Bxf8+ Kxf8
23. 0-0 Bc3
24. Rb1 b6
25. Nc4 Be6
26. Nd6 Bxa2
27. Rd1 f4
28. h3 a5
29. Rd3 a4
30. Nh4 Ke7
31. Ng6+ Ke6
32. f3 c4
33. Rd1 d3
34. Nxf4 Kxe5
35. Nb5

Knight attacking your Bishop

If we loose thread we can restart a new thread with list of moves.
Play whenever you are free.

Bye
Sanny

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Date: 09 Aug 2008 22:05:34
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: New GC vs Ivan thread

Played N-g6+ (Nf4-g6+)

GetClub-Easy IVAN -60sec
White Black

1. e4 e5
2. d4 exd4
3. Qxd4 Nc6
4. Qd5 Nf6
5. Qd3 Bc5
6. Be3 Nb4
7. Qc4 Be7
8. Nf3 Nxe4
9. Bd3 d5
10. Qd4 Nxd3+
11. cxd3 c5
12. Qxg7 Bf6
13. Qh6 Bxb2
14. Nbd2 Bxa1
15. dxe4 d4
16. Bg5 Qb6
17. Qg7 Rf8
18. Bh6 Qd6
19. e5 Qe7
20. Qxh7 f5
21. Qxe7+ Kxe7
22. Bxf8+ Kxf8
23. 0-0 Bc3
24. Rb1 b6
25. Nc4 Be6
26. Nd6 Bxa2
27. Rd1 f4
28. h3 a5
29. Rd3 a4
30. Nh4 Ke7
31. Ng6+ Ke6
32. f3 c4
33. Rd1 d3
34. Nxf4 Kxe5
35. Nb5 Bb2
36. Ng6+

Knight played to g6 giving check.

If we loose thread we can restart a new thread with list of moves.
Play whenever you are free.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Date: 10 Aug 2008 09:39:10
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: New GC vs Ivan thread

Played N-f4 (Ng6-f4)

GetClub-Easy IVAN -60sec
White Black

1. e4 e5
2. d4 exd4
3. Qxd4 Nc6
4. Qd5 Nf6
5. Qd3 Bc5
6. Be3 Nb4
7. Qc4 Be7
8. Nf3 Nxe4
9. Bd3 d5
10. Qd4 Nxd3+
11. cxd3 c5
12. Qxg7 Bf6
13. Qh6 Bxb2
14. Nbd2 Bxa1
15. dxe4 d4
16. Bg5 Qb6
17. Qg7 Rf8
18. Bh6 Qd6
19. e5 Qe7
20. Qxh7 f5
21. Qxe7+ Kxe7
22. Bxf8+ Kxf8
23. 0-0 Bc3
24. Rb1 b6
25. Nc4 Be6
26. Nd6 Bxa2
27. Rd1 f4
28. h3 a5
29. Rd3 a4
30. Nh4 Ke7
31. Ng6+ Ke6
32. f3 c4
33. Rd1 d3
34. Nxf4 Kxe5
35. Nb5 Bb2
36. Ng6+ Kf6
37. Nf4

Played Knight to f4

Today game was a bit improved So you will find very strong moves from
today.

>off to work ..i do not feel like working but i have too.

What work you do that you don't like? Do you work for longer hours?

If we loose thread we can restart a new thread with list of moves.
Play whenever you are free.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Date: 10 Aug 2008 22:51:32
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: New GC vs Ivan thread

Played N-c7 (Nb5-c7)

GetClub-Easy IVAN -60sec
White Black

1. e4 e5
2. d4 exd4
3. Qxd4 Nc6
4. Qd5 Nf6
5. Qd3 Bc5
6. Be3 Nb4
7. Qc4 Be7
8. Nf3 Nxe4
9. Bd3 d5
10. Qd4 Nxd3+
11. cxd3 c5
12. Qxg7 Bf6
13. Qh6 Bxb2
14. Nbd2 Bxa1
15. dxe4 d4
16. Bg5 Qb6
17. Qg7 Rf8
18. Bh6 Qd6
19. e5 Qe7
20. Qxh7 f5
21. Qxe7+ Kxe7
22. Bxf8+ Kxf8
23. 0-0 Bc3
24. Rb1 b6
25. Nc4 Be6
26. Nd6 Bxa2
27. Rd1 f4
28. h3 a5
29. Rd3 a4
30. Nh4 Ke7
31. Ng6+ Ke6
32. f3 c4
33. Rd1 d3
34. Nxf4 Kxe5
35. Nb5 Bb2
36. Ng6+ Kf6
37. Nf4 Ra5
38. Nc7

Saved knight to c7.

If we loose thread we can restart a new thread with list of moves.
Play whenever you are free.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Date: 11 Aug 2008 22:20:45
From: Simon Krahnke
Subject: Re: New GC vs Ivan thread

* Sanny <[email protected] > (11:16) schrieb:

> 38. Nc7 Ke5
> 39. g3

Bb3 getting better at every depth: +9.83 at depth 14.

But we might see a3 instead.

mfg, simon .... +10.53

Date: 11 Aug 2008 20:55:26
From: SAT W-7
Subject: Re: New GC vs Ivan thread

King E-5 to D-6 ....why ?

ivan is thinking about bishop to D-4 check...now it is thinking A-4 to
A-3 pawn ..But it is not at his highest level of thinking yet ..lets see
if it moves bishop to B-3..WOW , it never showed it was thinking of this
move King E-5 to D-6 ..

It never went to the highest thinking level either and it never thought
about Bishop B-3 ar at least it never showed on the battle screen.

This move seems wasted to me

Date: 11 Aug 2008 22:13:42
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: New GC vs Ivan thread

Played N-e6 (Nc7-e6)

GetClub-Easy IVAN -60sec
White Black

1. e4 e5
2. d4 exd4
3. Qxd4 Nc6
4. Qd5 Nf6
5. Qd3 Bc5
6. Be3 Nb4
7. Qc4 Be7
8. Nf3 Nxe4
9. Bd3 d5
10. Qd4 Nxd3+
11. cxd3 c5
12. Qxg7 Bf6
13. Qh6 Bxb2
14. Nbd2 Bxa1
15. dxe4 d4
16. Bg5 Qb6
17. Qg7 Rf8
18. Bh6 Qd6
19. e5 Qe7
20. Qxh7 f5
21. Qxe7+ Kxe7
22. Bxf8+ Kxf8
23. 0-0 Bc3
24. Rb1 b6
25. Nc4 Be6
26. Nd6 Bxa2
27. Rd1 f4
28. h3 a5
29. Rd3 a4
30. Nh4 Ke7
31. Ng6+ Ke6
32. f3 c4
33. Rd1 d3
34. Nxf4 Kxe5
35. Nb5 Bb2
36. Ng6+ Kf6
37. Nf4 Ra5
38. Nc7 Ke5
39. g3 Kd6
40. Nce6

Saved Knight by playing (c7) Knight to e6

If we loose thread we can restart a new thread with list of moves.
Play whenever you are free.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Date: 11 Aug 2008 23:48:27
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: New GC vs Ivan thread

Played R-e1 (Rd1-e1)

GetClub-Easy IVAN -60sec
White Black

1. e4 e5
2. d4 exd4
3. Qxd4 Nc6
4. Qd5 Nf6
5. Qd3 Bc5
6. Be3 Nb4
7. Qc4 Be7
8. Nf3 Nxe4
9. Bd3 d5
10. Qd4 Nxd3+
11. cxd3 c5
12. Qxg7 Bf6
13. Qh6 Bxb2
14. Nbd2 Bxa1
15. dxe4 d4
16. Bg5 Qb6
17. Qg7 Rf8
18. Bh6 Qd6
19. e5 Qe7
20. Qxh7 f5
21. Qxe7+ Kxe7
22. Bxf8+ Kxf8
23. 0-0 Bc3
24. Rb1 b6
25. Nc4 Be6
26. Nd6 Bxa2
27. Rd1 f4
28. h3 a5
29. Rd3 a4
30. Nh4 Ke7
31. Ng6+ Ke6
32. f3 c4
33. Rd1 d3
34. Nxf4 Kxe5
35. Nb5 Bb2
36. Ng6+ Kf6
37. Nf4 Ra5
38. Nc7 Ke5
39. g3 Kd6
40. Nce6 Bb3
41. Re1

Played rook to e1.

If we loose thread we can restart a new thread with list of moves.
Play whenever you are free.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Date: 12 Aug 2008 05:45:41
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: New GC vs Ivan thread

Played R-f1 (Re1-f1)

GetClub-Easy IVAN -60sec
White Black

1. e4 e5
2. d4 exd4
3. Qxd4 Nc6
4. Qd5 Nf6
5. Qd3 Bc5
6. Be3 Nb4
7. Qc4 Be7
8. Nf3 Nxe4
9. Bd3 d5
10. Qd4 Nxd3+
11. cxd3 c5
12. Qxg7 Bf6
13. Qh6 Bxb2
14. Nbd2 Bxa1
15. dxe4 d4
16. Bg5 Qb6
17. Qg7 Rf8
18. Bh6 Qd6
19. e5 Qe7
20. Qxh7 f5
21. Qxe7+ Kxe7
22. Bxf8+ Kxf8
23. 0-0 Bc3
24. Rb1 b6
25. Nc4 Be6
26. Nd6 Bxa2
27. Rd1 f4
28. h3 a5
29. Rd3 a4
30. Nh4 Ke7
31. Ng6+ Ke6
32. f3 c4
33. Rd1 d3
34. Nxf4 Kxe5
35. Nb5 Bb2
36. Ng6+ Kf6
37. Nf4 Ra5
38. Nc7 Ke5
39. g3 Kd6
40. Nce6 Bb3
41. Re1 d2
42. Rf1

Played Rook to f1.

Now IVAN will win the game as it can get the Queen, the next move.

If we loose thread we can restart a new thread with list of moves.
Play whenever you are free.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Date: 12 Aug 2008 09:23:27
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: New GC vs Ivan thread

Played N-d8 (Ne6-d8)

GetClub-Easy IVAN -60sec
White Black

1. e4 e5
2. d4 exd4
3. Qxd4 Nc6
4. Qd5 Nf6
5. Qd3 Bc5
6. Be3 Nb4
7. Qc4 Be7
8. Nf3 Nxe4
9. Bd3 d5
10. Qd4 Nxd3+
11. cxd3 c5
12. Qxg7 Bf6
13. Qh6 Bxb2
14. Nbd2 Bxa1
15. dxe4 d4
16. Bg5 Qb6
17. Qg7 Rf8
18. Bh6 Qd6
19. e5 Qe7
20. Qxh7 f5
21. Qxe7+ Kxe7
22. Bxf8+ Kxf8
23. 0-0 Bc3
24. Rb1 b6
25. Nc4 Be6
26. Nd6 Bxa2
27. Rd1 f4
28. h3 a5
29. Rd3 a4
30. Nh4 Ke7
31. Ng6+ Ke6
32. f3 c4
33. Rd1 d3
34. Nxf4 Kxe5
35. Nb5 Bb2
36. Ng6+ Kf6
37. Nf4 Ra5
38. Nc7 Ke5
39. g3 Kd6
40. Nce6 Bb3
41. Re1 d2
42. Rf1 a3
43. Nd8

Lets Resign the game. As now no chance for GetClub to win.

This game was lost because there was a bug when the game started in
Next game I am sure GetClub will win.

Played knight to d8.

Now IVAN will win the game as it can get the Queen, the next move.

If we loose thread we can restart a new thread with list of moves.
Play whenever you are free.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Date: 12 Aug 2008 22:19:16
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: New GC vs Ivan thread

On Aug 13, 1:43=A0am, [email protected] (SAT W-7) wrote:
> Rook A-5 to A-7 to stop the Knight check.
>
> Ok that can be ivans last move ..
>
> Why don't you try gc normal level ..?
>
> ivan -5.5

Easy plays very strong now, When this game was started there was a
bug. Now that bug is removed So Easy will play much stronger game.

I feel IVAN has not improved since it is same always.

Lets have a new game with IVAN vs Easy Level.

Should we proceed with a new thread?

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Date: 13 Aug 2008 23:18:00
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: New GC vs Ivan thread

On Aug 13, 9:06=A0pm, [email protected] (SAT W-7) wrote:
> Yes start a new thread ...
>

Started a newThread "GetClub vs IVAN new Game --"

Bye
Sanny

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Date: 13 Aug 2008 09:06:02
From: SAT W-7
Subject: Re: New GC vs Ivan thread

Yes start a new thread ...

Yes you can judge GC by playing Ivan because Ivan does not change ..This
is the same program as always ...I can not change it myself BUT what it
does every now and then is change his opening ..That is programmed into
it ..

will look for your new thread when i get home from work..by by

Date: 13 Aug 2008 02:07:12
From: Simon Krahnke
Subject: Re: New GC vs Ivan thread

* SAT W-7 <[email protected] > (22:43) schrieb:

> Rook A-5 to A-7 to stop the Knight check.

3rd best move (+17.26 at depth 16). Toga II finally found a mate in 14
for a2 at depth 17 after calculating 6.270.820.380 nodes:

43. ... a2
44. Nb7+ Kc6
45. Nxa5+ bxa5
46. Kf2 Bd4+
47. Kg2 d1=Q
48. Rxd1 Bxd1
49. g4 a1=Q
50. Kg3 Qc3
51. Ne2 Bxe2
52. Kh4 Qxf3
53. Kh5 Qxh3+
54. Kg6 Qxg4+
55. Kf7 Kd7
56. Kf8 Qg7#

mfg, simon .... -17.57

Date: 13 Aug 2008 23:53:41
From: Simon Krahnke
Subject: Re: New GC vs Ivan thread

* SAT W-7 <[email protected] > (04:23) schrieb:

> Wow , it makes you wonder how any human can beat a powerful computer
> like Toga 2.

There are programs better than Toga II.

> That number is over 6 BILLION nodes ..
> How long did it have to think to figure out a winning combination ?

I think Arena had a bug there, so I didn't post the time. But at 500.000
nodes per second: 3-4 hours.

> By the way how do you know what the best move or second or third best
> move is ?

That's called k-best search. When analysing I ask the engine to give
complete scores for the 3 best moves. The rest of the moves are just
proven to be worse than the 3rd best, that's much faster than computing
a score for it.

> On my ivan the battle screen it shows you what moves he is thinking
> about and there is the number and some times it changes when he thinks
> he has a better move ..The thing i wonder about when it loses a game and
> i have seen him think about different moves throughout the game are the
> moves he chooses at that point of the game better ? In other words what
> happens if he would have picked one of the other moves i seen him
> thinking about would he still have lost ? Or maybe if he chose one of
> those other moves it mite have lost faster or would it have won the game
> ?

It probably thinks about every legal move, but some of these searches
are so fast, that you never see then.

> Hey if you had TWO Toga 2's and played them against each other would
> they always draw since they are the same program or would there be a
> winner and loser ?

Well, since you ask, I just did that, and white won:

[White "Toga II 1.1a"]
[Black "Toga II 1.1a"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "C06"]
[Opening "French"]
[Time "20:29:30"]
[Variation "Tarrasch, Closed, 8...f6 9.exf6, 11...Qc7"]
[TimeControl "40/300:40/300:40/300"]
[Termination "normal"]

1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nd2 Nf6 4.e5 Nfd7 5.c3 c5 6.Bd3 Nc6 7.Ne2 cxd4 8.cxd4 f6
9.exf6 Nxf6 10.Nf3 Qc7 11.O-O Bd6 12.Nc3 a6 13.Bg5 O-O 14.Bh4 Nh5 15.Re1 {(Rc1 Kh8 Re1
Nf4 Bg3 Bd7 Qd2 Nxd3 Bxd6) -0.04/8 5} Nf4 {(Bd7 g3 Nf6 Bg5 h6 Bd2 Nb4 Bg6 Kh8)
+0.14/9 7} 16.Bg3 {(Rc1 Qb6 Na4 Qa5 Bf1 Bd7 Qb3 Qb4 Qxb4 Bxb4) -0.16/9 5} Kh8 {(Qb6
Bxf4 Rxf4 Ng5 Qxb2 Bxh7+ Kf8 Nxe6+ Bxe6 Rxe6 Qxf2+ Kh1 Rd8 Re2 Qxd4 Nxd5 Qxd1+ Rxd1)
+0.18/9 6} 17.Qd2 {(Bxf4 Bxf4 Qc2 g6 Qb3 Bd7 h3 Na5 Qb4 Nc4 Bxc4 dxc4) -0.17/9 6} Qa5
{(Bd7 Rac1 Qa5 a3 Qb6 Na4 Qb3 Nc5 Bxc5 Bxf4 Bxd4 Nxd4 Nxd4) +0.17/9 7} 18.a3 {(Kh1
Bd7 Bc2 g6 Rac1 Rac8 Ng5 Nb4 Bxf4 Bxf4) -0.01/9 9} Bd7 {(g6 Rac1 Bd7 b4 Qb6 Qe3
Nxd3 Qxd3 Be7 Be5+ Nxe5 Nxe5) +0.05/9 6} 19.b4 {(Bc2 Qb6 b4 Rac8 Na4 Qb5 Nc5 Rc7
Kh1) -0.03/9 10} Qb6 {(Qc7 Rac1 Rac8 Ne2 Nxd3 Qxd3 Bxg3 Nxg3 Qf4 Nh5 Qg4 b5 Qxh5
bxc6 Rxc6 Rxc6 bxc6 Qxa6) +0.07/10 7} 20.Bc2 {(Bb1 Rac8 Na4 Qa7 Nc5 b6 Qc2 g6 Bxf4
Bxf4 Nxe6) -0.01/9 9} g6 {(Qc7 Rac1 Rac8 Re3 Be7 Kh1 Qb6 h3 Rf7) +0.02/9 8} 21.Na4
{(Rac1 Rac8 Na4 Qa7 Nc5 b6 Nd3 Nh3+ gxh3 Bxg3 hxg3 Rxf3) +0.07/9 6} Qa7 {(Qd8 Nc5 Qc7
Ng5 Rf6 Rac1 b6 Nxd7 Qxd7 Re3 Rc8) 0.00/10 7} 22.Nc5 {(Re3 b6 Nc3 Rac8 Ne2 Nxe2+
Qxe2 Bxg3 hxg3 b5 Rd1 Qc7) +0.08/9 6} b6 {(Rad8 Bh4 Bxc5 bxc5 Rc8 Rab1 a5 Bg3 Qb8
Bxf4 Rxf4) -0.13/9 10} 23.Nd3 {(Na4 Rac8 Rac1 Qc7 Kh1 Qb7 Ng5 Rf6 Nc3) +0.42/9 7}
Nxd3 {(Nh3+ Kh1 Bxg3 fxg3 Rxf3 gxf3 Nxd4 Qc3 b5 Nc5 e5 Rxe5 Nf2+ Kg1 Nh3+ Kg2)
-0.62/10 11} 24.Bxd3 {(Qxd3 Qc7 Rac1 Bf4 Bxf4 Qxf4 Qe3 Qxe3 Rxe3 Rac8 Ba4 b5 Bb3)
+0.57/10 12} Bxg3 {(Rxf3 Bxd6 Rf7 Qh6 Rg8 Rac1 b5 Qe3 Rc8 Be5+ Nxe5 Rxc8+ Bxc8 Qxe5+
Kg8) -0.57/10 6} 25.hxg3 {(Qh6 Bf4 Qh4 Kg7 g3 Bh6 Ne5 g5 Nxc6 gxh4 Nxa7 Rxa7)
+0.57/9 9} Rf6 {(Rf7 Qh6 Rg7 Qf4 b5 Rac1 Rc8 g4 Qb6 g5) -0.74/10 10} 26.Qh6 {(Qe3 Raf8
Rac1 b5 Ne5 Qb7 g4 Ne7 Rc2 Nc6 g5) +0.66/11 11} Qb8 {(Rg8 Ng5 Rg7 Qh4 h5 Rac1 Qb7
Nh7 Rff7 Nf6) -0.66/10 8} 27.Rac1 {(Ne5 Nxe5 dxe5 Qf8 Qh4 Rxf2 Bxg6 h6 Qd4 Kg7 Be8
Rxe8 Qxf2 Qxf2+ Kxf2) +0.96/11 11} Qg8 {(Qe8 Qh4 Kg7 Re3 Qe7 g4 Rf7 Ng5 h6 Nxe6+
Bxe6 Qxe7 Rxe7 Rxc6) -1.05/11 18} 28.Qh4 {(Rc3 b5 Rec1 Rc8 Ne5 Nxe5 Rxc8 Nf3+ gxf3
Bxc8 Rc7 Rxf3) +1.05/11 7} Raf8 {(Rff8 Ng5 Rfe8 b5 axb5 Bxb5 Rac8 Qh3 Qg7 Bxc6 Rxc6
Rxc6 Bxc6 Nxe6) -1.03/10 7} 29.Re2 {(Bxa6 Qg7 b5 Ne7 Rc7 Nf5 Qf4 Ra8 Rec1 Rff8 Ne5)
+1.13/11 10} R6xf3 {(Qf7 Ng5 Qe7 Bxa6 h5 Nf3 Qg7 Re3 Ne7 g4 Rf4) -1.21/11 9} 30.gxf3
{(Bxa6 Rxa3 Bb5 g5 Qg4 Rf6 Bxc6 Bxc6 Re5 Rg6 Re2 Bb5) +1.31/11 15} Qf7 {(g5 Qg4 Qg7
Rxc6 Bxc6 Re5 h6 Qxe6 Rxf3 Qc8+ Qf8 Qxf8+ Rxf8 Re6 Rf3 Rxh6+ Kg7 Rh7+ Kf6) -1.31/12
7} 31.Rec2 {(Bxa6 Qxf3 Rec2 Qxa3 Bb5 Ne5 Qe7 Rf7 Qd8+ Kg7 Bxd7 Nxd7 Rc7) +1.59/11
15} b5 {(h5 Be2 g5 Qxg5 Nxd4 Qe5+ Qg7 Qxh5+ Kg8 Ra2 Bb5 Bd1 e5) -1.59/11 9} 32.R2c3
{(Kh2 Qe8 Kg2 Qf7 Be2 Qe8 Kg1 e5 dxe5 Qxe5 f4 Qe4) +1.57/11 9} e5 {(Kg8 Bf1 Qe8 Bh3
h6 Re3 Kg7 Rc2 g5 Qg4 Qg6) -1.58/11 13} 33.dxe5 {(Qh6 e4 Bxe4 dxe4 Rxc6 Bxc6 Rxc6
Qxf3 Qe3 Qd1+ Kg2 Qf3+ Qxf3 exf3+ Kh3 Rd8 Kg4 Rxd4+ Kxf3) +1.67/11 10} Nxe5 {(g5
Qxg5 Qxf3 R1c2 Qd1+ Bf1 Nd4 Qe7 Kg8 Rb2 Bh3 Qg5+ Kh8) -1.69/11 10} 34.Be2 {(Qh6 Qxf3
Qe3 Qxe3 fxe3 Rf3 Be2 Rxg3+ Kf2 Rh3 Rc7 Rh2+ Ke1 Kg7) +1.69/11 8} Nc4 {(Kg8 Rc7 Qe6
f4 Nc4 Bf3 Qd6 Ra7 Kg7 Re1 Kh8 Re7) -1.83/12 9} 35.Qd4+ {(Rd1 Be6 Bxc4 bxc4 Re3
Qf6 Qxf6+ Rxf6 f4 Kg8 f3 Kg7 Kf2 h6) +1.75/11 11} Kg8 {(Qg7 Qxd5 Nb6 Qb7 Qf6 Qxa6
Re8 Re3 Ra8 Qb7 Qb2 Rc7) -1.74/12 12} 36.f4 {(Bxc4 dxc4 Re3 Bc6 f4 Qf6 Re5 Bb7 Qd7
Qc6 Qxc6 Bxc6 Re7 Rd8) +1.74/12 10} Be6 {(h5 Rd1 Be6 Bf3 Kh7 Re1 Rc8 Rc2 Rf8 Qd3
Qd7) -1.78/11 10} 37.Re1 {(Bxc4 dxc4 Re3 Qd7 Qxd7 Bxd7 Rd1 Bf5 Rd6 Ra8 Kg2 Kf7 Kf3
a5 bxa5 Rxa5) +1.89/12 12} Qf6 {(h6 Bxc4 dxc4 Rce3 Bg4 Re7 Qf6 Qd5+ Kh8 a4 bxa4
Qxc4 Rd8 Kg2) -1.80/12 13} 38.Qxf6 {(Rd1 Qxd4 Rxd4 Kf7 Bf3 Rd8 Rc1 Kf6 Kg2 h6 Rcd1
Nxa3 Bxd5 Nc4) +1.74/13 14} Rxf6 {(Bf5 Qxa6 Be4 f3 Bf5 Qxb5 Rd8 Bxc4 dxc4 Qxc4+ Kh8
Qf7 Rb8) -1.73/11 23} 39.Bf3 {(Rd3 Kf7 Bf3 Rf5 Kg2 h5 Kg1 Kf6 Kh2 Kf7 Bg2 g5 Bh3
g4) +1.92/14 19} Kf7 {(Kg7 Rd1 Rf7 Bxd5 Rd7 Bf3 Rxd1+ Bxd1 Bd5 Rd3 Nb6 Re3 h5 Re8
Nc4) -2.01/13 13} 40.Kh2 {(Kh2 h5 Rd3 Rf5 Bg2 Nb6 Rde3 Rf6 Bh3 Bxh3 Re7+ Kg8 Kxh3
Nc4 Kg2 Nxa3) +2.03/14 27} h6 {(Kg7 Rd1 g5 Bxd5 Bxd5 Rxd5 gxf4 g4 Kg6 Kg2 Rc6 Rh3
Re6 Kf3 Nb6 Rd1) -1.99/14 20} 41.Rd3 {(Kg2 g5 Rd1 gxf4 Bxd5 Bxd5+ Rxd5 fxg3 Rxg3
Re6 Rc5 Ke7 a4 Re2 axb5) +1.99/12 12} g5 {(Nb6 Rde3 h5 Bg2 Bf5 Re7+ Kf8 Re8+ Kg7
R1e7+ Rf7 Rxf7+ Kxf7 Rb8 Nc4 Bxd5+ Ke7 Rb7+ Bd7) -2.04/12 8} 42.fxg5 {(Bh5+ Kg7 fxg5
hxg5 Kg2 g4 Rd4 Nxa3 Rc1 Nc4 Bxg4 Bxg4 Rxg4+ Kf7 Rh4 Re6 Rh7+ Kg6) +2.06/12 7} hxg5
{(Bf5 Bxd5+ Kf8 gxf6 Bxd3 f7 Nd6 Re6 Nxf7 Rf6 Ke7 Rxf7+ Kd6 Bf3 Ke6) -2.13/12 8}
43.Bxd5 {(Kg2 Rf5 Rdd1 Kf6 Bg4 Re5 Rxe5 Nxe5 Bf3 Nxf3 Kxf3 Ke5 Re1+ Kd6 Rh1) +2.13/12
8} Bxd5 {(Nb6 Rxe6 Rxe6 Rf3+ Ke7 Bxe6 Kxe6 Rf8 Nd5 Re8+ Kf5 Ra8 Nc7 Ra7 Ne6 Rxa6)
-2.14/12 10} 44.Rxd5 {(Kg1 Bc6 Kf1 Rh6 g4 Rh4 Rg3 Bd7 f3 Nxa3 f4 Nc4) +2.14/12 9} Rxf2+
{(Nb6 Rxg5 Rxf2+ Kh3 Nc4 Rc5 Nxa3 Rc7+ Kg6 Rc6+ Rf6 Ree6 Rxe6 Rxe6+ Kf5 Rxa6)
-2.14/12 7} 45.Kh3 {(Kh1 Kg6 Re6+ Rf6 Rxf6+ Kxf6 Rc5 Nxa3 Kg2 Nc4 Kf3 Nd6 Rc6 Ke5 Rxa6)
+2.14/12 9} Nxa3 {(Rf3 Rd7+ Kf8 Ree7 Rxa3 Rh7 Kg8 Rdg7+ Kf8 Ra7 Kg8 Rhb7 Rf3 Rxa6 Ne5
Ra8+ Rf8 Rxf8+ Kxf8 Rxb5) -2.26/12 6} 46.Ra1 {(Rd7+ Kg6 Ra1 Rf3 Kg4 Rb3 Rd6+ Kf7
Rxa6 Nc4 Rf1+ Kg7 Re1 Rxb4 Kxg5) +2.30/12 6} g4+ {(Rf3 Rxg5 Ke6 Rc5 Rd3 Rc6+ Ke5
Re1+ Kd5 Rec1 Nc4 Rxa6 Ke5 Kg4) -2.30/12 7} 47.Kh4 {(Kxg4 Nc2 Rd7+ Ke8 Rad1 Ne3+ Kg5
Nxd1 Rxd1 Rb2 Rd4 Ke7 g4 Rf2 Rd1 Ke6 Re1+ Kd5) +2.49/14 21} Rf3 {(Nc2 Rxa6 Nxb4 Ra7+
Ke6 Rxb5 Nd5 Ra4 Rh2+ Kxg4 Rh7 Rb8 Rg7+ Kh3 Rf7 g4 Rf3+ Kg2) -2.49/15 13} 48.Rd6
{(Rc5 Rb3 Rc6 Ke7 Rh6 Kd7 Ra2 Kc7 Rxa6 Nc4 Ra7+ Kc6 Kxg4 Rxb4) +2.48/11 6} Rc3 {(Nc4
Rdxa6 Rb3 Rc6 Na3 Ra2 Ke7 Rg6 Rd3 Kxg4 Rd4+ Kf5 Rd5+ Ke4) -2.54/12 7} 49.Rb6 {(Ra2
Rb3 Rxa6 Nc4 Rh6 Kg7 Rc6 Rf3 Ra7+ Rf7 Rcc7 Rxc7 Rxc7+ Kf6 Kxg4) +2.59/12 6} Kf8
{(Rd3 Kxg4 Rb3 Rxa6 Nc4 Rf1+ Kg7 Rf4 Rd3 Re4 Kf7 Kf4 Rd8) -2.59/12 7} 50.Kxg4 {(Rxa6
Nc2 R1a5 Nxb4 Ra8+ Ke7 Rxb5 Nd3 Kxg4 Nf2+ Kh4 Rc4+ Kh5 Nd3) +2.59/12 10} Rd3 {(Kf7
Kh4 Rd3 g4 Nc4 Rbxa6 Ne5 Rf1+ Ke7 Re1 Rd5 g5 Rd4+ Kg3) -2.89/11 9} 51.Rb7 {(Rf1+
Kg7 Rf5 Nc4 Rg5+ Kf7 Rxa6 Rd5 Rxd5 Ne3+ Kf3 Nxd5 Ra5 Nxb4 Rxb5) +2.92/11 4} Kg8
{(Rc3 Rf1+ Kg8 Rf6 Rc8 Rxa6 Nc2 Rxb5 Rc4+ Kg5 Rxb4 Rxb4 Nxb4 Ra7 Nd5) -2.98/11 4}
52.Ra7 {(Kh3 Rb3 Ra7 Rc3 Re1 Rc8 Kg2 Nc4 Rxa6 Kf7 Ra7+ Kf6) +2.98/11 3} Re3 {(Rc3 Re1
Kf8 Rf1+ Kg8 Rxa6 Nc4 Rg6+ Kh7 Kh5 Ne5 Re6 Nf3 Re7+ Kg8) -3.12/11 5} 53.Rd1 {(Kf4
Rd3 Ra2 Rc3 Rxa6 Nc2 Rb6 Rc7 Rxb5 Rc4+ Kg5 Nxb4) +3.22/11 3} Re8 {(Re4+ Kf5 Re8
Rdd7 Rc8 Rg7+ Kh8 Kg6 Rc6+ Kf7 Rc8 Rg5 Rc5 Ra8+ Kh7 Rg7+ Kh6 Rxa6+ Rc6 Rxc6+ Kh5)
-3.24/11 5} 54.Kg5 {(Rd6 Nc2 Rdxa6 Nxb4 Rb6 Nc2 Rxb5 Nd4 Rbb7 Re4+ Kh3 Re8) +3.45/11 3}
Nc4 {(Rc8 Rdd7 Nc4 Rg7+ Kh8 Rh7+ Kg8 Rag7+ Kf8 Rg6 Ne5 Rh8+ Ke7 Rg7+ Nf7+ Rxf7+
Kxf7 Rxc8 Ke6 Rc6+ Kd5 Rxa6 Ke5) -3.58/12 6} 55.Rdd7 {(Rxa6 Re7 Rd5 Rb7 Rg6+ Kh7 Rd1
Rg7 Rxg7+ Kxg7 Rd7+ Kf8 Rd5 Ke8 Rxb5) +3.58/11 3} Rb8 {(Nb6 Rg7+ Kh8 Kf6 Rf8+ Kg6
Rg8 Rxg8+ Kxg8 Rxa6 Nc8 Ra8 Kf8 Rxc8+ Ke7 Rb8 Kd7 Rxb5 Kd6) -4.16/13 6} 56.g4
{(Rdc7 Kh8 Rh7+ Kg8 g4 Rb6 Rhc7 Rb8 Rd7 Kh8 Rxa6 Kg8 Raa7 Kf8 Rf7+ Kg8) +4.16/13 7}
Kh8 {(Kf8 Kh6 Ne5 Rg7 Rd8 Kh7 Nd7 Rgxd7 Rxd7+ Rxd7 Ke8 Ra7 Kd8 g5 Ke8 Rxa6)
-5.92/13 7} 57.Kh6 {(Re7 Kg8 Rg7+ Kh8 Kh6 Rb6+ Rg6 Rxg6+ Kxg6 Ne5+ Kf6 Nxg4+ Kf5 Kg8
Kxg4 Kf8 Kf4 Ke8 Rxa6) +6.69/13 4} Rb6+ {(Ne5 Rh7+ Kg8 Rag7+ Kf8 Rh8+) -7.89/18 95}
58.Kh5 {(Rd6 Rxd6+ Kh5 Ne3 g5 Nd5 Rf7 Nxb4 g6 Kg8 Kh6 Nd3 Rg7+ Kf8 Rf7+ Ke8) +7.61/13
4} Rb8 {(Rh6+ Kxh6 Nd6 Rxd6 Kg8 Rd8+) -7.61/12 2} 59.g5 {(Re7 Rd8 Rh7+ Kg8 Rhg7+
Kf8 Kh6 Ne5 Kh7 Nd7 Rgxd7 Rxd7+ Rxd7 Ke8 Ra7 Kd8 Rxa6) +7.61/11 4} Ne3 {(a5 Kh6
Rb6+ g6 Rxg6+ Kxg6 Ne5+ Kh6 Ng4+ Kg5 Nf6 Kxf6 axb4 Rd8+) -M10/12 15} 60.Rdh7+ {(Re7
Nf5 Rh7+ Kg8 Kg6 Nh4+ Rxh4 Rb6+ Kh5 Rb8 Rxa6 Rb7 g6 Re7 Kg5 Kf8) +M10/12 13} Kg8
{(Kg8 Rhg7+ Kh8 Kg6 Nf5 Kxf5) -6.51/4} 61.Rhg7+ {(Rhf7 a5 Rg7+ Kh8 Kg6 Nf5 Rh7+ Kg8
Kxf5 Rc8 Rag7+ Kf8 bxa5 Rc5+ Ke4 Rc4+ Kd5 Rf4 a6) +M9/12 16} Kh8 {(Kf8 Raf7+ Ke8 g6
Nc2 Rg8+) -M7/14 2} 62.Kg6 {(Rge7 Nf5 Rh7+ Kg8 Kg6 Nh4+ Rxh4 Rb6+ Kh5 Rb8 Rxa6 Rb7
g6 Re7 Kg5 Kf8) +M7/12 4} Nf5 {(Nd5 Rh7+ Kg8 Rag7+ Kf8 Rh8+) -M6/24 2} 63.Kxf5
{(Rgf7 Nh4+ Kh5 Re8 Kxh4 Kg8 Rg7+ Kh8 Rh7+ Kg8 g6 a5 Rag7+ Kf8 Rf7+ Kg8 bxa5 b4)
+M6/10 4} Rc8 {(Re8 Rh7+ Kg8 Kf6 Rf8+ Kg6 Rb8 Rag7+ Kf8 Rh8+) -M5/32 2} 64.Kg6 {(Ke6
a5 Kf7 axb4 g6 Rf8+ Kxf8 b3 Rh7+) +M5/47 3} Rc6+ {(Re8 Rh7+ Kg8 Rag7+ Kf8 Rh8+)
-M4/63 1} 65.Kf7 {(Kf5 Rc8) +M4/30 3} Rc8 {(Rf6+ gxf6 a5 Ra8+) -M3/63} 66.g6 {(Rd7 a5
g6 Rf8+ Kxf8 axb4 Rh7+) +M3/63 1} Rf8+ {(a5 Rh7+) -M2/63} 67.Kxf8 {(Ke7 Kxg7 Rxa6
Rf4 Rc6 Rxb4 Kd6 Rc4 Rc5 Rxc5 Kxc5 Kxg6 Kxb5) +M2/20 5} a5 {(a5 Rh7+) -M1/4}
68.Rgh7# {(Kf7 axb4 Rh7+) +M1/63} {Mate} 1-0

Sorry, that PGN includes principal variations and scores for every move
and isn't very readable for humans. The game uses the arena opening
book, at the time control were 5 minutes for 40 moves. The version of
Toga II is 1.1a, which isn't the newest. There was no thinking on
opponents time, but just a single instance of the engine playing against
itself on my single core Pentium IV.

One singe game doesn't tell much about the strength, but surely proves
that it doesn't always draw.

> I wonder about that for ivan too , if i had another one id play them vs
> each other a few times just to see what happens....

Just another reason for a real computer. :-)

mfg, simon .... l

Date: 13 Aug 2008 21:07:13
From: SAT W-7
Subject: Re: New GC vs Ivan thread

Thanks for that stuff ..

O , i know there are stronger programs than Toga 2 , i was saying how
hard it is for humans to beat a powerful chess program ..

Yes your right on getting a real computer ..
Have you played your TOGA 2 vs HIRCS ?
That is the program id get if i had a real computer..

Date: 12 Aug 2008 19:23:20
From: SAT W-7
Subject: Re: New GC vs Ivan thread

Wow , it makes you wonder how any human can beat a powerful computer
like Toga 2.
That number is over 6 BILLION nodes ..
How long did it have to think to figure out a winning combination ?

By the way how do you know what the best move or second or third best
move is ?

On my ivan the battle screen it shows you what moves he is thinking
about and there is the number and some times it changes when he thinks
he has a better move ..The thing i wonder about when it loses a game and
i have seen him think about different moves throughout the game are the
moves he chooses at that point of the game better ? In other words what
happens if he would have picked one of the other moves i seen him
thinking about would he still have lost ? Or maybe if he chose one of
those other moves it mite have lost faster or would it have won the game
?

I have no idea who programs excalibur games.

Hey if you had TWO Toga 2's and played them against each other would
they always draw since they are the same program or would there be a
winner and loser ?
I wonder about that for ivan too , if i had another one id play them vs
each other a few times just to see what happens....

Date: 12 Aug 2008 13:43:03
From: SAT W-7
Subject: Re: New GC vs Ivan thread

Rook A-5 to A-7 to stop the Knight check.

Ok that can be ivans last move ..

Why don't you try gc normal level ..?

ivan -5.5

Date: 12 Aug 2008 08:03:32
From: SAT W-7
Subject: Re: New GC vs Ivan thread

Yes it can get a queen BUT Ivan's program did not even look at that move
.It made the move
A-4 to A-3 pawn move in about 3 seconds ..

Ivans move A-4 to A-3 ..

ivan - 5.3 ....

ivan mite just drive pawns down the board for queens ...???

Date: 12 Aug 2008 05:19:40
From: SAT W-7
Subject: Re: New GC vs Ivan thread

D-3 to D-2 pawn move

After i made GC move Ivan said , Ooo , Ooo, and jumped to - 5.5
....Ivan has a voice ..

I am thinking GC should have been getting its knights back to ranks ,
one , two and 3 to attack the bishops .....

When i play Ivan says stuff to me like , I WILL DESTROY YOU ..I WILL
CRUSH YOU ...LOL.

Ooo , Ooo , means you made a bad move , i hear that all the time too..
ha ha.....

Date: 11 Aug 2008 23:09:38
From: SAT W-7
Subject: Re: New GC vs Ivan thread

Now it saw the move Bishop A-2 to B-3.
attacking the rook...

ivan -2.3

Date: 11 Aug 2008 02:16:22
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: New GC vs Ivan thread

Played P-g3 (Pg2-g3)

GetClub-Easy IVAN -60sec
White Black

1. e4 e5
2. d4 exd4
3. Qxd4 Nc6
4. Qd5 Nf6
5. Qd3 Bc5
6. Be3 Nb4
7. Qc4 Be7
8. Nf3 Nxe4
9. Bd3 d5
10. Qd4 Nxd3+
11. cxd3 c5
12. Qxg7 Bf6
13. Qh6 Bxb2
14. Nbd2 Bxa1
15. dxe4 d4
16. Bg5 Qb6
17. Qg7 Rf8
18. Bh6 Qd6
19. e5 Qe7
20. Qxh7 f5
21. Qxe7+ Kxe7
22. Bxf8+ Kxf8
23. 0-0 Bc3
24. Rb1 b6
25. Nc4 Be6
26. Nd6 Bxa2
27. Rd1 f4
28. h3 a5
29. Rd3 a4
30. Nh4 Ke7
31. Ng6+ Ke6
32. f3 c4
33. Rd1 d3
34. Nxf4 Kxe5
35. Nb5 Bb2
36. Ng6+ Kf6
37. Nf4 Ra5
38. Nc7 Ke5
39. g3

Played pawn g3 saving the knight.

If we loose thread we can restart a new thread with list of moves.
Play whenever you are free.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Date: 11 Aug 2008 01:36:57
From: SAT W-7
Subject: Re: New GC vs Ivan thread

King F-6 to E-5

ivan - I.6

Date: 10 Aug 2008 21:21:18
From: SAT W-7
Subject: Re: New GC vs Ivan thread

Rook A-8 to A-5 .......

I only want to work when i want to , so i mean i wish i was rich so id
never have too work..ha ha

Date: 10 Aug 2008 08:58:13
From: SAT W-7
Subject: Re: New GC vs Ivan thread

King E-5 to F-6

off to work ..i do not feel like working but i have too.

by

ivan - I.7

Date: 09 Aug 2008 23:10:54
From: Simon Krahnke
Subject: Re: New GC vs Ivan thread

* SAT W-7 <[email protected] > (22:25) schrieb:

> Bishop C-3 to B-2
>
> GC is fighting back again , now ivan -I.7 ..

It's probably that bad move (Bb2) which gives Getclub a chance again.

mfg, simon .... l

Date: 09 Aug 2008 13:25:25
From: SAT W-7
Subject: Re: New GC vs Ivan thread

Bishop C-3 to B-2

GC is fighting back again , now ivan -I.7 ..

Date: 09 Aug 2008 00:59:00
From: SAT W-7
Subject: Re: New GC vs Ivan thread

king E-6 x E-5 pawn..

still a good game..

ivan - 2.0

Date: 08 Aug 2008 22:27:54
From: SAT W-7
Subject: Re: New GC vs Ivan thread

Pawn D-4 to D-3 closing in on the rook..

ivan - 2.3

At the start of the game when ivan took the pawn it did not let GC
control the center like it usually does ..I think that was a big key in
this game ..

Date: 07 Aug 2008 23:26:00
From: SAT W-7
Subject: Re: New GC vs Ivan thread

Pawn C-5 to C-4 attacking rook,

ivan - 2.I

nite

Date: 07 Aug 2008 17:49:02
From: Simon Krahnke
Subject: Re: New GC vs Ivan thread

* SAT W-7 <[email protected] > (16:55) schrieb:

> King G-8 to E-7

That was your 30. move. Sanny played
31. Ng6+

> still with me Sanny ?
>
> Our thread went to the next page so i just wanted to make sure you can
> still see our game

Sanny is using a different interface than you. When the thread is "on
the next page" on your web-tv that doesn't mean anything to Sanny or me.

mfg, simon .... Kd7

Date: 07 Aug 2008 20:05:37
From: SAT W-7
Subject: Re: New GC vs Ivan thread

King E-7 to E-6 ..

Ok i was not sure about that ..when our thread went on to the next page.
Thanks for that info.

How about Toga 2 vs Rybka 3 and post it here ? That would be a good
match up..