Mouth Breathing Top Posters

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Date: 21 Mar 2008 10:05:46
From: Guy Macon
Subject: Mouth Breathing Top Posters

Maple Tree wrote:

>Up yours

Please don't top post.

Here are some references for those who are interested
in improving the quality of their posts to newsgroups:

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"When thou enter a city, abide by its customs." -The Talmud

Quoting Style in Newsgroup Postings
http://www.xs4all.nl/%7ewijnands/nnq/nquote.html

How do I quote correctly in usenet?
http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote2.html

Common Mistakes in Usenet Postings and How to Avoid Them
http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/anton/mail-news-errors.html#quoting

Bottom vs. top posting and quotation style on Usenet
http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/usenet/brox.html

Why bottom-posting is better than top-posting
http://www.caliburn.nl/topposting.html

+What do you mean "my reply is upside-down"?
http://www.i-hate-computers.demon.co.uk/quote.html

Put an end to Outlook Express's messy quotes with this automated fix!
http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/

From (spit!) microsoft:

"When including text from a previous message in the thread,
trim it down to include only text pertinent to your response.
Your response should appear below the quoted information."

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A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing on Usenet?

Date: 27 Apr 2008 17:20:39
From: Richard
Subject: Re: Mouth Breathing Top Posters

Top posting is easier to read. Case closed.

Guy Macon wrote:
> Maple Tree wrote:
>
>> Up yours
>
> Please don't top post.
>
> Here are some references for those who are interested
> in improving the quality of their posts to newsgroups:
>
> --------------------------------------------------------
>
> "When thou enter a city, abide by its customs." -The Talmud
>
> Quoting Style in Newsgroup Postings
> http://www.xs4all.nl/%7ewijnands/nnq/nquote.html
>
> How do I quote correctly in usenet?
> http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote2.html
>
> Common Mistakes in Usenet Postings and How to Avoid Them
> http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/anton/mail-news-errors.html#quoting
>
> Bottom vs. top posting and quotation style on Usenet
> http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/usenet/brox.html
>
> Why bottom-posting is better than top-posting
> http://www.caliburn.nl/topposting.html
>
> +What do you mean "my reply is upside-down"?
> http://www.i-hate-computers.demon.co.uk/quote.html
>
> Put an end to Outlook Express's messy quotes with this automated fix!
> http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/
>
> From (spit!) microsoft:
>
> "When including text from a previous message in the thread,
> trim it down to include only text pertinent to your response.
> Your response should appear below the quoted information."
>
> --------------------------------------------------------
>
> A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
> Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
> A: Top-posting.
> Q: What is the most annoying thing on Usenet?
>
>

Date: 27 May 2008 00:18:55
From: Avoid normal situations.
Subject: Re: Mouth Breathing Top Posters

Richard <[email protected] > wrote:

> Top posting is easier to read. Case closed.

No.

*plonk*

--
alt.flame Special Forces
"Life in this society being, at best, an utter bore and no aspect of society
being at all relevant to women, there remains to civic-minded responsible,
thrill-seeking females only to overthrow the government, eliminate the money
system, institute complete automation and destroy the male sex."
-- Valerie Solanas

Date: 26 May 2008 20:26:05
From: Richard
Subject: Re: Mouth Breathing Top Posters

LOL - There really are some childish people on here.

Avoid normal situations. wrote:
> Richard <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Top posting is easier to read. Case closed.
>
> No.
>
> *plonk*
>

Date: 28 Apr 2008 07:51:10
From: Guy Macon
Subject: Re: Mouth Breathing Top Posters

"Good idea. See you there!"

"How about during DEFCON?"

"I have to run -- want to do lunch some time?"

"Congratulations! I always knew that girl was going places."

"Great! Debbie just got accepted to MIT."

"Some people are just ineducable. Anyway, how are the kids?

"Uh... hasn't he noticed all the people telling him it's not?"

"I hear you. No, this idiot really thinks it's easier to read."

"Yup. Inconvenience twenty people to save yourself 30 seconds.

"You mean the ones who inconvenience everyone?

"You must be joking. Maybe he is just one of those lazy SOBs?

"He is so dim he thinks that top posting is easier to read!"

"Do tell! What kind of idiot is he?"

"Pretty good, other than working with an idiot."

"Same old same old, yours?"

"How's the job?"

"Yup. Closed it down and makes twice as much selling on the web."

"Can't complain. Did you hear about Jim's store om main street?

"Good, and you?"

"John! How have you been, buddy?"

Doesn't seem easier to read to me.

You mean like this?

Richard wrote:
>
>
>Top posting is easier to read. Case closed.
>
>
>
>Guy Macon wrote:
>> Maple Tree wrote:
>>
>>> Up yours
>>
>> Please don't top post.
>>
>> Here are some references for those who are interested
>> in improving the quality of their posts to newsgroups:
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> "When thou enter a city, abide by its customs." -The Talmud
>>
>> Quoting Style in Newsgroup Postings
>> http://www.xs4all.nl/%7ewijnands/nnq/nquote.html
>>
>> How do I quote correctly in usenet?
>> http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote2.html
>>
>> Common Mistakes in Usenet Postings and How to Avoid Them
>> http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/anton/mail-news-errors.html#quoting
>>
>> Bottom vs. top posting and quotation style on Usenet
>> http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/usenet/brox.html
>>
>> Why bottom-posting is better than top-posting
>> http://www.caliburn.nl/topposting.html
>>
>> +What do you mean "my reply is upside-down"?
>> http://www.i-hate-computers.demon.co.uk/quote.html
>>
>> Put an end to Outlook Express's messy quotes with this automated fix!
>> http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/
>>
>> From (spit!) microsoft:
>>
>> "When including text from a previous message in the thread,
>> trim it down to include only text pertinent to your response.
>> Your response should appear below the quoted information."
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
>> Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
>> A: Top-posting.
>> Q: What is the most annoying thing on Usenet?
>>
>>
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Date: 28 Apr 2008 03:01:04
From: Kenneth Sloan
Subject: Re: Mouth Breathing Top Posters

And, the relevance to computer chess is...???

Guy Macon wrote:
> "Good idea. See you there!"...

--
Kenneth Sloan [email protected]
Computer and Information Sciences +1-205-932-2213
University of Alabama at Birmingham FAX +1-205-934-5473
Birmingham, AL 35294-1170 http://KennethRSloan.com/

Date: 29 Apr 2008 02:09:26
From: Guy Macon
Subject: Re: Mouth Breathing Top Posters

Kenneth Sloan wrote:

>And, the relevance to computer chess is...???

It's called a meta-discussion. If, as you imply,
posts about top-posting are off-topic, then your
posts about posts about top-posting are equally
off-topic, having no direct relevance to computer
chess.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/meta
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meta
http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/M/meta.html

I also note that, once again, you have decided to single
me out for public criticism while ignoring anyone else
doing the same thing. I suggest that you read the
following quote and change your obsessive behavior so
that it no longer describes you.

"Usenet being what it is, if you participate in newsgroups
at all over a period if time you have the possibility of
attracting your own personal lunatic, who considers any
disagreement a personal affront, and considers it their
duty and obligation to "expose" the person they fixate on.
It's kind of pathetic, but they can't quite seem to figure
out why no one else sees their actions as heroic."
-Richard Ward

I hope this helps...

Date: 28 Apr 2008 22:05:48
From: Kenneth Sloan
Subject: Re: Mouth Breathing Top Posters

It did not.

Guy Macon wrote:
> Kenneth Sloan wrote:
>
>> And, the relevance to computer chess is...???
>
> It's called a meta-discussion. If, as you imply,
> posts about top-posting are off-topic, then your
> posts about posts about top-posting are equally
> off-topic, having no direct relevance to computer
> chess.
>
> http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/meta
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meta
> http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/M/meta.html
>
> I also note that, once again, you have decided to single
> me out for public criticism while ignoring anyone else
> doing the same thing. I suggest that you read the
> following quote and change your obsessive behavior so
> that it no longer describes you.
>
> "Usenet being what it is, if you participate in newsgroups
> at all over a period if time you have the possibility of
> attracting your own personal lunatic, who considers any
> disagreement a personal affront, and considers it their
> duty and obligation to "expose" the person they fixate on.
> It's kind of pathetic, but they can't quite seem to figure
> out why no one else sees their actions as heroic."
> -Richard Ward
>
> I hope this helps...
>
>
>
>

--
Kenneth Sloan [email protected]
Computer and Information Sciences +1-205-932-2213
University of Alabama at Birmingham FAX +1-205-934-5473
Birmingham, AL 35294-1170 http://KennethRSloan.com/

Date: 29 Apr 2008 12:50:12
From: Guy Macon
Subject: Re: Mouth Breathing Top Posters

Kenneth Sloan wrote:
>
>Guy Macon wrote:
>
>> I hope this helps...
>
>It did not.

I am sorry to hear that.

Perhaps if you examined your own behavior with an eye
towards self-improvement you could help yourself.
Here are some of your behaviors that you can start with:

Every so often you publicly criticize me in threads where
I have not been interacting with you, in an obvious
attempt to start a flame war. Why do you do that?
Experience has shown you that I will respond not with
anger but detached amusement, so I have to wonder what
you are getting out of acting that way.

You regularly criticize me for behavior that you yourself
engage in (crossposting, posts about posting). When I point
this out, you refuse to engage me in a discussion about your
hypocrisy, instead going silent. Then, a few days later,
you do it again. Why?

You completely ignore anyone else doing what you regularly
criticize me for doing. Again, you refuse to discuss why
you do this, and yet you keep doing it again and again. Why?

You also completely ignore the oft-given advice that if you
don't like what someone posts, simply killfile them. Why?

Why are you obsessed with me, Kenneth? Why do you consider
my posts to be some sort of personal affront while not
being bothered by anyone else (including yourself) doing the
exact same things that bother you so when I do them? Why
are you so fixated on me?

What is this really about? Do you have your panties in a
wad about me being successful in my career without formal
education while you are teaching instead of doing? Would
it help if I told you that IMO most people are far better
off going to college rather than relying on autodidactic
learning?

I am not a threat to you, Kenneth. Why don't you just cut
the crap, apply a killfile, and get on with your life
while ignoring me? This obsession of yours is not healthy.

"The most hostile group was the one with high but unstable
self esteem. These people think well of themselves in general,
but their self-esteem fluctuates. They are especially prone to
react defensively to ego threats, and they are also more prone
to hostility, anger and aggression than other people.

"These findings shed considerable light on the psychology of
the bully. Hostile people do not have low self esteem; on the
contrary, they think highly of themselves, But their favorable
view of themselves is not held with total conviction, and it
goes up and down in response to daily events. The bully has a
chip on his shoulder because he thinks you might want to deflate
his favorable self image."
-Roy F. Baumeister, _Evil: Inside
Human Violence and Cruelty_ p 149

Date: 30 Apr 2008 19:36:11
From: Guy Macon
Subject: Re: Mouth Breathing Top Posters

Guy Macon wrote:

>Every so often you [ Kenneth Sloan ] publicly criticize
>me in threads where I have not been interacting with
>you, in an obvious attempt to start a flame war. Why
>do you do that?

>When I point this out, you refuse to engage me in a
>discussion, instead going silent. Then, a few days
>later, you do it again. Why?

As usual, Kenneth Sloan has gone silent. If only he would
*stay* silent, but of course he won't; in a few days he
will be back to his old tricks: criticizing me for behavior
that he himself engages in, completely ignore anyone else
doing what he criticizes me for doing, and in general acting
like an obsessed loon. Pathetic.

Date: 30 Apr 2008 18:07:50
From: Bob Campbell
Subject: Re: Mouth Breathing Top Posters

"Guy Macon" <http://www.guymacon.com/ > wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>> As usual, Kenneth Sloan has gone silent. If only he would
> *stay* silent, but of course he won't; in a few days he
> will be back to his old tricks: criticizing me for behavior
> that he himself engages in, completely ignore anyone else
> doing what he criticizes me for doing, and in general acting
> like an obsessed loon. Pathetic.

Why don't you just ignore him, or better yet kill file him? I've only been
reading this group for a few days, but it is already clear who is going into
my kill filter as obvious trolls.

Date: 21 Mar 2008 12:42:12
From: Kenneth Sloan
Subject: Re: Mouth Breathing Top Posters

off topic for r.g.c.computer

Guy Macon wrote:
> Maple Tree wrote:
>
>> Up yours
>
> Please don't top post.
>
> Here are some references for those who are interested
> in improving the quality of their posts to newsgroups:
>
> --------------------------------------------------------
>
> "When thou enter a city, abide by its customs." -The Talmud
>
> Quoting Style in Newsgroup Postings
> http://www.xs4all.nl/%7ewijnands/nnq/nquote.html
>
> How do I quote correctly in usenet?
> http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote2.html
>
> Common Mistakes in Usenet Postings and How to Avoid Them
> http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/anton/mail-news-errors.html#quoting
>
> Bottom vs. top posting and quotation style on Usenet
> http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/usenet/brox.html
>
> Why bottom-posting is better than top-posting
> http://www.caliburn.nl/topposting.html
>
> +What do you mean "my reply is upside-down"?
> http://www.i-hate-computers.demon.co.uk/quote.html
>
> Put an end to Outlook Express's messy quotes with this automated fix!
> http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/
>
> From (spit!) microsoft:
>
> "When including text from a previous message in the thread,
> trim it down to include only text pertinent to your response.
> Your response should appear below the quoted information."
>
> --------------------------------------------------------
>
> A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
> Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
> A: Top-posting.
> Q: What is the most annoying thing on Usenet?
>
>

--
Kenneth Sloan [email protected]
Computer and Information Sciences +1-205-932-2213
University of Alabama at Birmingham FAX +1-205-934-5473
Birmingham, AL 35294-1170 http://KennethRSloan.com/

Date: 22 Mar 2008 02:37:37
From: Guy Macon
Subject: Re: Mouth Breathing Top Posters

Kenneth Sloan wrote:
>
>off topic for r.g.c.computer

Selective complaining (criticizing people who you dislike
for something while ignoring the same behavior in someone
who you like) noted.

That being said, you are correct. The post was indeed
off topic for r.g.c.computer.

Date: 22 Mar 2008 07:23:33
From: Maple Tree
Subject: Re: Mouth Breathing Top Posters

Hey Bacon, shut the fuck up !

"Guy Macon" <http://www.guymacon.com/ > wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
>
> Kenneth Sloan wrote:
>>
>>off topic for r.g.c.computer
>
> Selective complaining (criticizing people who you dislike
> for something while ignoring the same behavior in someone
> who you like) noted.
>
> That being said, you are correct. The post was indeed
> off topic for r.g.c.computer.
>

Date: 21 Mar 2008 17:48:17
From: Maple Tree
Subject: Re: Mouth Breathing Top Posters

yup

"Kenneth Sloan" <[email protected] > wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> off topic for r.g.c.computer
>
> Guy Macon wrote:
>> Maple Tree wrote:
>>
>>> Up yours
>>
>> Please don't top post.
>>
>> Here are some references for those who are interested
>> in improving the quality of their posts to newsgroups:
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> "When thou enter a city, abide by its customs." -The Talmud
>>
>> Quoting Style in Newsgroup Postings
>> http://www.xs4all.nl/%7ewijnands/nnq/nquote.html
>>
>> How do I quote correctly in usenet?
>> http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote2.html
>>
>> Common Mistakes in Usenet Postings and How to Avoid Them
>> http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/anton/mail-news-errors.html#quoting
>>
>> Bottom vs. top posting and quotation style on Usenet
>> http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/usenet/brox.html
>>
>> Why bottom-posting is better than top-posting
>> http://www.caliburn.nl/topposting.html
>>
>> +What do you mean "my reply is upside-down"?
>> http://www.i-hate-computers.demon.co.uk/quote.html
>>
>> Put an end to Outlook Express's messy quotes with this automated fix!
>> http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/
>>
>> From (spit!) microsoft:
>>
>> "When including text from a previous message in the thread, trim it down
>> to include only text pertinent to your response.
>> Your response should appear below the quoted information."
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
>> Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
>> A: Top-posting.
>> Q: What is the most annoying thing on Usenet?
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Kenneth Sloan [email protected]
> Computer and Information Sciences +1-205-932-2213
> University of Alabama at Birmingham FAX +1-205-934-5473
> Birmingham, AL 35294-1170 http://KennethRSloan.com/

Date: 21 Mar 2008 10:01:38
From: Maple Tree
Subject: Re: Mouth Breathing Top Posters

Not being an a$$hole like u would be one of them !

"Guy Macon" <http://www.guymacon.com/ > wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> Maple Tree wrote:
>
>>Up yours
>
> Please don't top post.
>
> Here are some references for those who are interested
> in improving the quality of their posts to newsgroups:
>
> --------------------------------------------------------
>
> "When thou enter a city, abide by its customs." -The Talmud
>
> Quoting Style in Newsgroup Postings
> http://www.xs4all.nl/%7ewijnands/nnq/nquote.html
>
> How do I quote correctly in usenet?
> http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote2.html
>
> Common Mistakes in Usenet Postings and How to Avoid Them
> http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/anton/mail-news-errors.html#quoting
>
> Bottom vs. top posting and quotation style on Usenet
> http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/usenet/brox.html
>
> Why bottom-posting is better than top-posting
> http://www.caliburn.nl/topposting.html
>
> +What do you mean "my reply is upside-down"?
> http://www.i-hate-computers.demon.co.uk/quote.html
>
> Put an end to Outlook Express's messy quotes with this automated fix!
> http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/
>
> From (spit!) microsoft:
>
> "When including text from a previous message in the thread,
> trim it down to include only text pertinent to your response.
> Your response should appear below the quoted information."
>
> --------------------------------------------------------
>
> A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
> Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
> A: Top-posting.
> Q: What is the most annoying thing on Usenet?
>
>

Date: 21 Mar 2008 17:23:01
From: Guy Macon
Subject: Re: Mouth Breathing Top Posters

Maple Tree wrote:

[top posted flame deleted]

How should I react to crackpot messages?
http://www.uwasa.fi/~ts/http/crackpot.html

"The best course of action is plain ignore them even if you
would itch to respond. Put the ... offender's address in
your news killfile. Following up the crackpot posting with
condemning comments is self-defeating, because many ill
perverts get a significant part of their kicks out of the
attention they are able to stir up by their crackpot behavior.
In a sick person's disturbed mind even strongly negative
attention is often better than none. Don't oblige on the
net, since it will only make matters worse."

"It's not a question of what one can or can't "take." It's a
question of what makes it easier for us to communicate. It also
acts as a quite reliable method of self-identification; those who
start off top-posting but who change when presented with good
arguments for not doing that tend to be people who get along with
others in other areas. Those who refuse tend to be those who are
described in http://www.uwasa.fi/~ts/http/abusive.html. When the
vast majority of a group act a certain way and ask new participants
to do the same, those who refuse usually suffer from social blindness."

Here are some web pages describing social blindness. If multiple
participants in a newsgroup tell you that you exhibit the behaviors
described below, please consider the high probability that you have
one of the disorders listed and that your disorder is blinding you
to its existence.

Antisocial Personality Disorder
http://www.mentalhealth.com/dis1/p21-pe04.html

-Inflated and arrogant self-appraisal

-Excessively opinionated, self-assured, or cocky

-Failure to conform to social norms

-Irritability and aggressiveness

-Harassment of others

-Pervasive pattern of disregard for and violation of the rights
of others

-Blames the victim for being foolish, helpless, or deserving
their fate, minimizes the harmful consequences of actions
or indicates complete indifference.

-Fails to compensate or make amends for their behavior.

-Lacks empathy and tend to be callous, cynical, and contemptuous
of the feelings, rights, and sufferings of others

-Lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or
rationalizing having hurt or mistreated others

-Individuals with Antisocial Personality Disorder are more
likely than people in the general population to die prematurely
by violent means (e.g., suicide, accidents, and homicides).

Antisocial Personality
http://www.millon.net/Taxonomy/ANT.htm

-Autonomous Self-Image (e.g., sees self as unfettered by the
restrictions of social customs)

-Failing to heed consequences

-Callous Mood (e.g., is insensitive, irritable and aggressive,
as expressed in a wide-ranging deficit in social charitableness,
human compassion or personal remorse; exhibits a coarse
incivility, as well as an offensive disregard for others.

-Cognitively Deviant (e.g., construes events and relationships
in accord with socially unorthodox beliefs and morals; fails
to conform to social norms)

-Actively intrudes upon and violates the rights of others,
as well as transgresses established social codes.

-Internalized representations comprise degraded and corrupt
relationships that spur revengeful attitudes and restive
impulses

-Acting-Out Mechanism (e.g., inner tensions that might accrue
by postponing the expression of offensive thoughts and malevolent
actions are rarely constrained; socially repugnant impulses are
not refashioned in sublimated forms, but are discharged directly
in precipitous ways, usually without guilt or remorse).

Borderline Personality Disorder
http://www.mentalhealth.com/icd/p22-pe05.html

-"behavioral explosions"; are easily precipitated when impulsive
acts are criticized or thwarted by others.

-kedly disharmonious attitudes and behavior involving ways of
perceiving and thinking and style of relating to others

-Maladaptive to a broad range of personal and social situations

Conduct Disorder
http://www.mentalhealth.com/icd/p22-ch02.html
http://www.mentalhealth.com/dis1/p21-ch02.html

-Repetitive and persistent pattern of dissocial, aggressive, or
defiant conduct.

-Major violations of age-appropriate social expectations

-Excessive levels of fighting or bullying; cruelty to others

-Defiant provocative behavior

-Persistent dissocial or aggressive behavior

-Lack of effective integration into a peer group

-Isolation from and/or rejection by or unpopularity with others

-Lack of lasting empathic, reciprocal relationships with others

-Relationships tend to be ked by discord, hostility, and
resentment

-Rudeness, uncooperativeness

Oppositional Defiant Disorder
http://www.mentalhealth.com/dis1/p21-ch05.html

-often loses temper

-argues with others

-actively defies or refuses to comply with adults' requests or rules

-deliberately annoys people

-blames others for his or her mistakes or misbehavior

-touchy or easily annoyed by others

-angry and resentful

-spiteful or vindictive

"We have more reason to fear the hollow man than the poor
neurotic who is tormented by his own conscience. As long
as man is capable of moral conflicts - even if they lead
to neurosis - there is hope for him. But what shall we
do with a man who has no attachments? Who can breathe
humanity into his emptiness?"
-Selma Fraiberg