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Date: 31 May 2008 20:09:26
From: samsloan
Subject: Manual of the Game of Chess by P.R. von Bilguer, 1880 Edition
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I am in the process of reprinting "Manual of the Game of Chess by P.R.
von Bilguer", 1880 Edition, better known by its German title, Handbuch
des Schachspiels von P. R. von Bilguer.
This book is extremely rare. I happened to come across a copy in good
condition. I have been unable to find another one, and I have searched
everywhere.
This book is the equivalent of Modern Chess Openings, but for the 19th
Century. Like Modern Chess Openings, it is packed with long columns
and lines of analysis. It is in German but that should not prove a
problem because, like Chess Informant, it is multi-lingual. All you
need to do is remember that D = Queen, S = Knight, T = Rook and L =
Bishop.
The fact that it is 128 years old is the main reason I am reprinting
it. It contains opening traps and tricks which are no longer played
and are no longer to be found in any openings book.
The book is 6 3/4 x 10 1/2 inches and 720 pages. Every page is jam-
packed with chess analysis. I did not even know that so much analysis
had been done back in 1880.
Paul Rudolf von Bilguer (1815- 1840) was considered to be one of the
strongest chess players in the world, but he died at an early age. The
work continued without him and new editions kept coming out 90 years
after his death.
My reprint of the 1880 edition should be out within ten days. When it
comes out it will be available at:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/0923891404
Sam Sloan
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Date: 09 Jun 2008 08:27:45
From: samsloan
Subject: Re: Manual of the Game of Chess by P.R. von Bilguer, 1880 Edition
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The Bilguer Handbuch is available now:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/0923891404
There is also one on ebay.com
Sam Sloan
On May 31, 10:09 pm, samsloan <[email protected] > wrote:
> I am in the process of reprinting "Manual of the Game of Chess by P.R.
> von Bilguer", 1880 Edition, better known by its German title, Handbuch
> des Schachspiels von P. R. von Bilguer.
>
> This book is extremely rare. I happened to come across a copy in good
> condition. I have been unable to find another one, and I have searched
> everywhere.
>
> This book is the equivalent of Modern Chess Openings, but for the 19th
> Century. Like Modern Chess Openings, it is packed with long columns
> and lines of analysis. It is in German but that should not prove a
> problem because, like Chess Informant, it is multi-lingual. All you
> need to do is remember that D = Queen, S = Knight, T = Rook and L =
> Bishop.
>
> The fact that it is 128 years old is the main reason I am reprinting
> it. It contains opening traps and tricks which are no longer played
> and are no longer to be found in any openings book.
>
> The book is 6 3/4 x 10 1/2 inches and 720 pages. Every page is jam-
> packed with chess analysis. I did not even know that so much analysis
> had been done back in 1880.
>
> Paul Rudolf von Bilguer (1815- 1840) was considered to be one of the
> strongest chess players in the world, but he died at an early age. The
> work continued without him and new editions kept coming out 90 years
> after his death.
>
> My reprint of the 1880 edition should be out within ten days. When it
> comes out it will be available at:
>
> http://www.amazon.com/dp/0923891404
>
> Sam Sloan
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Date: 06 Jun 2008 03:43:47
From: samsloan
Subject: Re: Manual of the Game of Chess by P.R. von Bilguer, 1880 Edition
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The book is listed now, but no price, picture or order information
yet.
That will come in a few hours.
Take a look at
http://www.amazon.com/dp/0923891404
Sam Sloan
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Date: 04 Jun 2008 08:48:53
From: samsloan
Subject: Re: Manual of the Game of Chess by P.R. von Bilguer, 1880 Edition
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On Jun 4, 9:05 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected] > wrote:
> On Jun 2, 10:28 pm, samsloan <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > I have searched the German Language site ofhttp://www.bookfinder.com
> > and nowhere is the 1880 edition of Bilguer's Handbuch available.
>
> Quick repeat: Search for 'Handbuch des schachspiels', first hit I get
> is for Bilguer: Handbuch des schachspiels (no year) along with a
> number of
> other hits. Select that one. On second page I find one (or is it two)
> entries
> from Antiquariat Querido, and one from Antiquariat Bucherwelt for the
> 1880 edition.
>
> Of course, things change from day to day, so I can't promise they
> still will be
> there tomorrow.
>
> And as to 'not found anywhere in the world', I check outwww.abebooks.com
> for the title, restrict hits to 1880, and out pops both the Querido
> book,
> and one from Sinnewerk (bookshop in Berlin).
Perhaps you should have mentioned that the price they are charging for
the book is $384.25
http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=1072303542&searchurl=bsi%3D30%26tn%3DHandbuch%2Bdes%2Bschachspiels%26x%3D61%26y%3D12
I plan to charge a bit less for my reprint.
Also, it seems uncertain that they are offering the same book. I
realize that they say 1880 but there is nothing else to indicate that
it is the same edition as I am reprinting.
Sam Sloan
http://www.amazon.com/dp/0923891404
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Date: 04 Jun 2008 22:26:14
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=FCrgen_R.?=
Subject: Re: Manual of the Game of Chess by P.R. von Bilguer, 1880 Edition
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"samsloan" <[email protected] > schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:[email protected]...
> On Jun 4, 9:05 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Jun 2, 10:28 pm, samsloan <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> > I have searched the German Language site ofhttp://www.bookfinder.com
>> > and nowhere is the 1880 edition of Bilguer's Handbuch available.
>>
>> Quick repeat: Search for 'Handbuch des schachspiels', first hit I get
>> is for Bilguer: Handbuch des schachspiels (no year) along with a
>> number of
>> other hits. Select that one. On second page I find one (or is it two)
>> entries
>> from Antiquariat Querido, and one from Antiquariat Bucherwelt for the
>> 1880 edition.
>>
>> Of course, things change from day to day, so I can't promise they
>> still will be
>> there tomorrow.
>>
>> And as to 'not found anywhere in the world', I check outwww.abebooks.com
>> for the title, restrict hits to 1880, and out pops both the Querido
>> book,
>> and one from Sinnewerk (bookshop in Berlin).
>
> Perhaps you should have mentioned that the price they are charging for
> the book is $384.25
>
> http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=1072303542&searchurl=bsi%3D30%26tn%3DHandbuch%2Bdes%2Bschachspiels%26x%3D61%26y%3D12
>
> I plan to charge a bit less for my reprint.
>
> Also, it seems uncertain that they are offering the same book. I
> realize that they say 1880 but there is nothing else to indicate that
> it is the same edition as I am reprinting.
Presumably because can read neither the seller's description
nor 'your' book. LOL - an illiterate publisher!
He is selling an original 6th edition printed 1880 in good condition.
You are selling a xeroxed glue-bound copy of what you think
is an 1880 editionh. There had better be a price difference.
There is nothing special about the 6th edition. Somebody who
collects such books would probably be looking for the 1st, the
5th (the last one edited by von der Lasa) or the 8th (the last
and most authoritative).
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Date: 04 Jun 2008 06:05:35
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Manual of the Game of Chess by P.R. von Bilguer, 1880 Edition
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On Jun 2, 10:28 pm, samsloan <[email protected] > wrote:
> I have searched the German Language site ofhttp://www.bookfinder.com
> and nowhere is the 1880 edition of Bilguer's Handbuch available.
Quick repeat: Search for 'Handbuch des schachspiels', first hit I get
is for Bilguer: Handbuch des schachspiels (no year) along with a
number of
other hits. Select that one. On second page I find one (or is it two)
entries
from Antiquariat Querido, and one from Antiquariat Bucherwelt for the
1880 edition.
Of course, things change from day to day, so I can't promise they
still will be
there tomorrow.
And as to 'not found anywhere in the world', I check out www.abebooks.com
for the title, restrict hits to 1880, and out pops both the Querido
book,
and one from Sinnewerk (bookshop in Berlin).
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Date: 02 Jun 2008 20:19:32
From: samsloan
Subject: Re: Manual of the Game of Chess by P.R. von Bilguer, 1880 Edition
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The Deed is Done.
The book has just been sent to my printer.
Sam Sloan
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Date: 02 Jun 2008 13:28:35
From: samsloan
Subject: Re: Manual of the Game of Chess by P.R. von Bilguer, 1880 Edition
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On Jun 1, 11:37 am, Anders Thulin <[email protected] >
wrote:
> samsloan wrote:
> > Where exactly? I have searchedhttp://www.bookfinder.comand I cannot
> > find even one.
>
> There's this selection box with 'Books written in
> (Dutch
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Date: 01 Jun 2008 08:06:16
From:
Subject: Re: Manual of the Game of Chess by P.R. von Bilguer, 1880 Edition
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On May 31, 11:09=A0pm, samsloan <[email protected] > wrote:
> I am in the process of reprinting "Manual of the Game of Chess by P.R.
> von Bilguer", 1880 Edition, better known by its German title, Handbuch
> des Schachspiels von P. R. von Bilguer.
The 1880 edition (6th in a series of 8, I believe) was actually
edited by Constantin Scwede.
> This book is extremely rare. I happened to come across a copy in good
> condition. I have been unable to find another one, and I have searched
> everywhere.
>
> This book is the equivalent of Modern Chess Openings, but for the 19th
> Century. Like Modern Chess Openings, it is packed with long columns
> and lines of analysis.
All editions of the Handbuch had considerably more than openings:
rules, general principles, endgames, history etc. The 6th edition
features a historical section derived from van der Linde.
> It is in German but that should not prove a
> problem because, like Chess Informant, it is multi-lingual. All you
> need to do is remember that D =3D Queen, S =3D Knight, T =3D Rook and L =
=3D
> Bishop.
If it is like the 1843 edition I have, the book will prove _very_
hard to read for non-Germans. The bare chess moves are not difficult
to make out, but the notes, besides being in German, are in a sort of
Gothic font which is almost indecipherable for anyone not accustomed
to it.
> The fact that it is 128 years old is the main reason I am reprinting
> it.
Wouldn't it be more accurate to say you're trying to make an easy
buck, Sam?
> It contains opening traps and tricks which are no longer played
> and are no longer to be found in any openings book.
>
> The book is 6 3/4 x 10 1/2 inches and 720 pages. Every page is jam-
> packed with chess analysis. I did not even know that so much analysis
> had been done back in 1880.
There is a great deal you do not know, Sam.
> Paul Rudolf von Bilguer (1815-1840) was considered to be one of the
> strongest chess players in the world,
Bilguer's real strength is rather hard to judge, since few of his
games have survived. A recent article by Jeremy Spinrad discussed him:
http://www.chesscafe.com/text/spinrad21.pdf
> but he died at an early age. The
> work continued without him and new editions kept coming out 90 years
> after his death.
You're saying the last edition came out in 1930? Not true. The 8th
and last edition, edited by Schlechter, came out around 1921. Hans
Kmoch published a Nachtrag, or supplement, to the Handbuch in 1930,
but it is incorrect to call this a "new edition."
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Date: 01 Jun 2008 08:19:10
From: J.D. Walker
Subject: Re: Manual of the Game of Chess by P.R. von Bilguer, 1880 Edition
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[email protected] wrote:
> On May 31, 11:09 pm, samsloan <[email protected]> wrote:
>> I am in the process of reprinting "Manual of the Game of Chess by P.R.
>> von Bilguer", 1880 Edition, better known by its German title, Handbuch
>> des Schachspiels von P. R. von Bilguer.
>
> The 1880 edition (6th in a series of 8, I believe) was actually
> edited by Constantin Scwede.
>
>> This book is extremely rare. I happened to come across a copy in good
>> condition. I have been unable to find another one, and I have searched
>> everywhere.
>>
>> This book is the equivalent of Modern Chess Openings, but for the 19th
>> Century. Like Modern Chess Openings, it is packed with long columns
>> and lines of analysis.
>
> All editions of the Handbuch had considerably more than openings:
> rules, general principles, endgames, history etc. The 6th edition
> features a historical section derived from van der Linde.
>
>> It is in German but that should not prove a
>> problem because, like Chess Informant, it is multi-lingual. All you
>> need to do is remember that D = Queen, S = Knight, T = Rook and L =
>> Bishop.
>
> If it is like the 1843 edition I have, the book will prove _very_
> hard to read for non-Germans. The bare chess moves are not difficult
> to make out, but the notes, besides being in German, are in a sort of
> Gothic font which is almost indecipherable for anyone not accustomed
> to it.
>
>> The fact that it is 128 years old is the main reason I am reprinting
>> it.
>
> Wouldn't it be more accurate to say you're trying to make an easy
> buck, Sam?
>
>> It contains opening traps and tricks which are no longer played
>> and are no longer to be found in any openings book.
>>
>> The book is 6 3/4 x 10 1/2 inches and 720 pages. Every page is jam-
>> packed with chess analysis. I did not even know that so much analysis
>> had been done back in 1880.
>
> There is a great deal you do not know, Sam.
>
>> Paul Rudolf von Bilguer (1815-1840) was considered to be one of the
>> strongest chess players in the world,
>
> Bilguer's real strength is rather hard to judge, since few of his
> games have survived. A recent article by Jeremy Spinrad discussed him:
>
> http://www.chesscafe.com/text/spinrad21.pdf
>
>> but he died at an early age. The
>> work continued without him and new editions kept coming out 90 years
>> after his death.
>
> You're saying the last edition came out in 1930? Not true. The 8th
> and last edition, edited by Schlechter, came out around 1921. Hans
> Kmoch published a Nachtrag, or supplement, to the Handbuch in 1930,
> but it is incorrect to call this a "new edition."
I see that an online book titled "A Synopsis of Chess Openings, A
Tabular Analysis" by William Cook was published in English in 1884. The
author notes that the "Handbuch des Schachspiels" 1874 ed. was one of
his sources. This book is freely available via Google books online.
--
"Do that which is right..."
Rev. J.D. Walker
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Date: 01 Jun 2008 07:33:02
From:
Subject: Re: Manual of the Game of Chess by P.R. von Bilguer, 1880 Edition
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On Jun 1, 9:28=A0am, samsloan <[email protected] > wrote:
> On Jun 1, 3:34 am, J=FCrgen R. <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Bookfinder lists more than 50 copies.
>
> Where exactly? I have searchedhttp://www.bookfinder.comand I cannot
> find even one.
>
>
>
> > OK. Tell us one - just one - that isn't in the encyclopedia.
>
> Anybody who would make such a statement does not know anything about
> chess.
>
> What is your rating? Do you play chess, I cannot find your name in the
> lists?
If you mean the USCF lists, of course you can't find him, Sam. His e-
mail address indicates he's posting from Germany.
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Date: 01 Jun 2008 06:28:51
From: samsloan
Subject: Re: Manual of the Game of Chess by P.R. von Bilguer, 1880 Edition
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On Jun 1, 3:34 am, J=FCrgen R. <[email protected] > wrote:
>
> Bookfinder lists more than 50 copies.
Where exactly? I have searched http://www.bookfinder.com and I cannot
find even one.
>
> OK. Tell us one - just one - that isn't in the encyclopedia.
Anybody who would make such a statement does not know anything about
chess.
What is your rating? Do you play chess, I cannot find your name in the
lists?
Sam Sloan
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Date: 01 Jun 2008 16:37:21
From: Anders Thulin
Subject: Re: Manual of the Game of Chess by P.R. von Bilguer, 1880 Edition
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samsloan wrote:
> Where exactly? I have searched http://www.bookfinder.com and I cannot
> find even one.
There's this selection box with 'Books written in
(Dutch
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Date: 01 Jun 2008 09:40:58
From: J.D. Walker
Subject: Re: Manual of the Game of Chess by P.R. von Bilguer, 1880 Edition
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Anders Thulin wrote:
> samsloan wrote:
>
>> Where exactly? I have searched http://www.bookfinder.com and I cannot
>> find even one.
>
> There's this selection box with 'Books written in
> (Dutch
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Date: 01 Jun 2008 09:44:26
From: J.D. Walker
Subject: Re: Manual of the Game of Chess by P.R. von Bilguer, 1880 Edition
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J.D. Walker wrote:
> Anders Thulin wrote:
>> samsloan wrote:
>>
>>> Where exactly? I have searched http://www.bookfinder.com and I cannot
>>> find even one.
>>
>> There's this selection box with 'Books written in
>> (Dutch
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Date: 01 Jun 2008 16:17:50
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=FCrgen_R.?=
Subject: Re: Manual of the Game of Chess by P.R. von Bilguer, 1880 Edition
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>
>> OK. Tell us one - just one - that isn't in the encyclopedia.
>Anybody who would make such a statement does not know anything about
>chess.
Wrong. To make such a statement it suffices to know that you are a fraud.
And take note: I did not say that there are no such openings in the
'Bilguer'
edition that you seem to have stumbled across.
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Date: 01 Jun 2008 05:30:52
From:
Subject: Re: Manual of the Game of Chess by P.R. von Bilguer, 1880 Edition
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On May 31, 11:09=A0pm, samsloan <[email protected] > wrote:
> I am in the process of reprinting "Manual of the Game of Chess by P.R.
> von Bilguer", 1880 Edition, better known by its German title, Handbuch
> des Schachspiels von P. R. von Bilguer.
>
> This book is extremely rare. I happened to come across a copy in good
> condition. I have been unable to find another one, and I have searched
> everywhere.
>
> This book is the equivalent of Modern Chess Openings, but for the 19th
> Century. Like Modern Chess Openings, it is packed with long columns
> and lines of analysis. It is in German but that should not prove a
> problem because, like Chess Informant, it is multi-lingual. All you
> need to do is remember that D =3D Queen, S =3D Knight, T =3D Rook and L =
=3D
> Bishop.
>
> The fact that it is 128 years old is the main reason I am reprinting
> it. It contains opening traps and tricks which are no longer played
> and are no longer to be found in any openings book.
>
> The book is 6 3/4 x 10 1/2 inches and 720 pages. Every page is jam-
> packed with chess analysis. I did not even know that so much analysis
> had been done back in 1880.
>
> Paul Rudolf von Bilguer (1815- 1840) was considered to be one of the
> strongest chess players in the world, but he died at an early age. The
> work continued without him and new editions kept coming out 90 years
> after his death.
>
> My reprint of the 1880 edition should be out within ten days. When it
> comes out it will be available at:
>
> http://www.amazon.com/dp/0923891404
>
> Sam Sloan
Edition Olms reissued the 1843 edition in 1979, with a foreword by
Korchnoi.
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Date: 01 Jun 2008 09:34:31
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=FCrgen_R.?=
Subject: Re: Manual of the Game of Chess by P.R. von Bilguer, 1880 Edition
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"samsloan" <[email protected] > schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:d86a06ce-23f6-43ac-8a26-fd24b430e23d@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>I am in the process of reprinting "Manual of the Game of Chess by P.R.
> von Bilguer", 1880 Edition, better known by its German title, Handbuch
> des Schachspiels von P. R. von Bilguer.
>
> This book is extremely rare. I happened to come across a copy in good
> condition. I have been unable to find another one, and I have searched
> everywhere.
Bookfinder lists more than 50 copies.
Sloan, you are an incompetent fool.
> This book is the equivalent of Modern Chess Openings, but for the 19th
> Century. Like Modern Chess Openings, it is packed with long columns
> and lines of analysis. It is in German but that should not prove a
> problem because, like Chess Informant, it is multi-lingual. All you
> need to do is remember that D = Queen, S = Knight, T = Rook and L =
> Bishop.
>
> The fact that it is 128 years old is the main reason I am reprinting
> it. It contains opening traps and tricks which are no longer played
> and are no longer to be found in any openings book.
OK. Tell us one - just one - that isn't in the encyclopedia.
>
> The book is 6 3/4 x 10 1/2 inches and 720 pages. Every page is jam-
> packed with chess analysis. I did not even know that so much analysis
> had been done back in 1880.
>
> Paul Rudolf von Bilguer (1815- 1840) was considered to be one of the
> strongest chess players in the world, but he died at an early age. The
> work continued without him and new editions kept coming out 90 years
> after his death.
>
> My reprint of the 1880 edition should be out within ten days. When it
> comes out it will be available at:
>
> http://www.amazon.com/dp/0923891404
>
> Sam Sloan
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