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Date: 03 Apr 2008 08:00:17
From: samsloan
Subject: Legal Question: Can She Take Back Her Resignation?
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Legal Question: Can She Take Back Her Resignation?
On April 1, 2008, Susan Polgar announced that she was resigning from
the Executive Board of the United States Chess Federation. See:
http://susanpolgar.blogspot.com/2008/03/very-important-announcement.html
http://susanpolgar.blogspot.com/2008/04/im-moving-back-to-hungary.html
http://www.chessville.com/misc/PolgarQuits.htm
The first announcement, which was on March 31, 2008, said:
"My husband and I have been in a number of negotiation sessions (via
phone) this entire weekend which could immediately effect our USCF
board members status as well as our status at the Texas Tech
University Susan Polgar Institute for Chess Excellence. Stay tuned!"
The second announcement, dated April 1, 2008, stated:
"Here is the full story of my announcement. I plan to reunite with my
sisters to represent Hungary in future Olympiads. I hope to have the
paperwork done ASAP with FIDE."
This referred the readers to the third announcement, which stated in
part:
"Shocking is not an adequate word for this announcement from Lubbock
Texas, home of Susan Polgar, that she is resigning all her chessic
positions in the USA - the Chairmanship of the USCF has already been
stripped from her by President Bill Goichberg, and now she exits from
the board too."
It seems to me that this is a clear resignation. When a player says "I
resign" in a chess game, he cannot change his mind one minute later
and thus take it back. Therefore, I believe that her announcement that
she is resigning is legally effective.
However, the following day, April 2, 2008, Susan Polgar stated on her
website:
"It was meant for good fun on April 1. Humor is needed from time to
time and we all need to laugh and smile more :)"
However, I do not believe that a person can say "I am resigning from
the board" and then claim the next day that this was just an April
Fools Joke. Also, her statement on March 31, which was NOT April Fools
Day, said, "I expect to be able to bring you the latest news within
the next 48 hours." That must have referred to the statement made the
following day that she was resigning, since no other "important
statement" appeared within 48 hours.
Also, I understand from other sources that the "number of negotiation
sessions (via phone) this entire weekend" mentioned in the March 31
announcement referred to the request by Polgar that Texas Tech
University "buy out" her contract with them, and it was only after
Texas Tech refused to buy out Susan Polgar and Paul Truong that she
announced that she was staying.
Thus, I believe that her resignation was legally effective and Susan
Polgar is no longer a member of the Executive Board of the United
States Chess Federation.
Sam Sloan
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Date: 04 Apr 2008 11:34:42
From:
Subject: Re: Legal Question: Can She Take Back Her Resignation?
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On Apr 3, 7:01=A0pm, samsloan <[email protected] > wrote:
> "Now" means now. I do not see how she can legally revoke this
> resignation the following day.
Man, I wish you could have gotten Kwame Kilpatrick to pull this joke.
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Date: 03 Apr 2008 16:48:32
From: samsloan
Subject: Re: Legal Question: Can She Take Back Her Resignation?
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[quote="Ron Suarez"]Well you chaps must admit that Sam has come up
with a good one here.
Seriously, it was not a resignation, but humorously,...
The problem, Sam, is in getting the resignation to stick. All Susan
has to do is continue as is, ignoring your claim and I don't see
anyone able to hold her to it, doing so.[/quote]
Getting the resignation to stick might not be as difficult as you
imagine.
I have today mailed a letter to the judge on this case, with a copy to
all the lawyers. I believe that her own lawyer, Nixon Rose LLP, will
realize that I am right, in which case she will have to either follow
his advice or fire him and get another lawyer. Every day she stays on
the board increases the legal liability both for her and for the USCF.
Why should she be fighting a losing battle anyway? It is up to the
judge and the lawyers and it is clear that she did say that she
resigned.
Sam Sloan
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Date: 03 Apr 2008 16:01:04
From: samsloan
Subject: Re: Legal Question: Can She Take Back Her Resignation?
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On Apr 3, 6:27 pm, [email protected] wrote:
> By Sam's logic, the next time a Board member loses a game and says "I
> resign," he/she will have resigned from the Board. I can't believe
> some people actually voted for this nutter.
On April 1, 2008, Susan Polgar wrote, "Tuesday, April 01, 2008
SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENT: I'm moving back to Hungary ....... Here is the
full story of my announcement. "
She then referred the readers to another website, which stated,
"announcement from Lubbock Texas, home of Susan Polgar, that she is
resigning all her chessic positions in the USA - the Chairmanship of
the USCF has already been stripped from her by President Bill
Goichberg, and now she exits from the board too."
Thus, Susan Polgar has made a clear statement that she is resigning
from the board "now".
"Now" means now. I do not see how she can legally revoke this
resignation the following day. Also, please take a close look at her
actual words. Nowhere until even now does she say that she did not
resign. She says "some parts of it have some basis for truth." She has
yet to specify exactly which parts of her announcement were true and
which parts were a joke.
Sam Sloan
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Date: 03 Apr 2008 15:27:15
From:
Subject: Re: Legal Question: Can She Take Back Her Resignation?
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By Sam's logic, the next time a Board member loses a game and says "I
resign," he/she will have resigned from the Board. I can't believe
some people actually voted for this nutter.
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Date: 03 Apr 2008 14:35:12
From: samsloan
Subject: Re: Legal Question: Can She Take Back Her Resignation?
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On Apr 3, 1:19 pm, [email protected] wrote:
> On Apr 3, 11:00 am, samsloan <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > It seems to me that this is a clear resignation. When a player says "I
> > resign" in a chess game, he cannot change his mind one minute later
> > and thus take it back. Therefore, I believe that her announcement that
> > she is resigning is legally effective.
>
> If this was a game, I'd agree, but anything with board that is not a
> chessboard is politics; in which case, someone would have had to
> recognize her resignation for it to have any validity.
In answer to the question of whether Susan Polgar's resignation has to
be accepted before it is effective, when Governor Spitzer resigned as
Governor of New York State recently, there was never any acceptance by
the New York State Legislature or any governmental body.
In the USCF, there have been numerous resignations by board members. I
am not aware of any of them that had to be accepted by the other board
members to become effective.
The following USCF board members have resigned since 1991: Doris
Barry, Helen Warren, John McCrary, Frank Camaratta, Frank Brady, Greg
Shahade, Tim Hanke and Robert Tanner. I may have left out one or two.
If, in any of those cases, the resignation was "accepted", I do not
recall it.
Sam Sloan
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Date: 03 Apr 2008 14:07:20
From: samsloan
Subject: Re: Legal Question: Can She Take Back Her Resignation?
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[quote="glennpan"]Sam, that is pretty funny stuff! Since you have
posted in the past that you don't believe that in some cases she is
doing her own posting, how do you propose to prove that she was the
one to actually write the resignation post?[/quote]
OK. Let us suppose that she says that she did not post that and that
she was impersonated by some other known or unknown person.
That means that she, like me, was impersonated by someone else.
Then, it would seem most likely that we were both impersonated by the
same person.
Think about the implications of that!
Sam Sloan
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Date: 04 Apr 2008 04:00:01
From: Nomen Nescio
Subject: Re: Legal Question: Can She Take Back Her Resignation?
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samsloan <[email protected] > wrote...
>[quote="glennpan"]Sam, that is pretty funny stuff! Since you have
>posted in the past that you don't believe that in some cases she is
>doing her own posting, how do you propose to prove that she was the
>one to actually write the resignation post?[/quote]
>
>OK. Let us suppose that she says that she did not post that and that
>she was impersonated by some other known or unknown person.
>
>That means that she, like me, was impersonated by someone else.
>
>Then, it would seem most likely that we were both impersonated by the
>same person.
>
>Think about the implications of that!
Heh.
>Sam Sloan
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Date: 03 Apr 2008 15:04:05
From: Ray Gordon, creator of the \pivot\
Subject: Re: Legal Question: Can She Take Back Her Resignation?
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Date: 03 Apr 2008 11:54:52
From:
Subject: Re: Legal Question: Can She Take Back Her Resignation?
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On Apr 3, 2:50=A0pm, zdrakec <[email protected] > wrote:
> > Thus, I believe that her resignation was legally effective and Susan
> > Polgar is no longer a member of the Executive Board of the United
> > States Chess Federation.
>
> > Sam Sloan
>
> Who gives a shit what you believe?
Especially since yesterday Sam wrote: "Turns out that it was an
April Fools Joke, as I suspected,"
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Date: 03 Apr 2008 11:50:11
From: zdrakec
Subject: Re: Legal Question: Can She Take Back Her Resignation?
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>
> Thus, I believe that her resignation was legally effective and Susan
> Polgar is no longer a member of the Executive Board of the United
> States Chess Federation.
>
> Sam Sloan
Who gives a shit what you believe?
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Date: 03 Apr 2008 10:19:16
From:
Subject: Re: Legal Question: Can She Take Back Her Resignation?
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On Apr 3, 11:00=A0am, samsloan <[email protected] > wrote:
> It seems to me that this is a clear resignation. When a player says "I
> resign" in a chess game, he cannot change his mind one minute later
> and thus take it back. Therefore, I believe that her announcement that
> she is resigning is legally effective.
If this was a game, I'd agree, but anything with board that is not a
chessboard is politics; in which case, someone would have had to
recognize her resignation for it to have any validity.
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Date: 03 Apr 2008 11:52:29
From: Kenneth Sloan
Subject: Re: Legal Question: Can She Take Back Her Resignation?
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For Sam, *every* day is April Fools' Day.
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University of Alabama at Birmingham FAX +1-205-934-5473
Birmingham, AL 35294-1170 http://KennethRSloan.com/
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Date: 29 Apr 2008 02:22:01
From: Guy Macon
Subject: Re: Legal Question: Can She Take Back Her Resignation?
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Kenneth Sloan wrote:
>
>
>For Sam, *every* day is April Fools' Day.
>
And, the relevance to computer chess is...???
Crosspost to rec.games.chess.politics,
rec.games.chess.computer and soc.culture.magyar
noted and contrasted with:
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