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Date: 30 Aug 2008 08:53:30
From: Sanny
Subject: GetClub Chess Stronger than ever !!!
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Now, GetClub Chess is playing tremendously strong games.
I played against Rybka & Jester and found it has no error now.
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
I think all Bugs have gone out to party. So We can enjoy playing Chess
at GetClub without Bugs.
Now GetClub is so strong that I do not think anyone will ask me to
improve it further.
Even Help Bot will find Beginner playing very strong. But Help Bot
increases his strength just like GetClub. So I think Help Bot can
still beat the Beginner & Easy Levels.
I agree last two weeks The game strength got reduced. But now that bug
has been removed.
So play a game and test for yourself how it is playing now. Tell me
how you find the strength of GetClub.
Start with Beginner then go and play with Easy if you succeed.
New Ratings for GetClub Levels are:-
Beginner: 2200+
Easy: 2300+
Normal: 2400+
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 17 Sep 2008 18:38:50
From: Simon Krahnke
Subject: Re: So, now its working !!!
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* Bob Campbell <[email protected] > (13:30) schrieb:
> As long as people here keep replying to him - and playing his silly
> "chess program" - he will continue posting here and continue his "my
> program has doubled in play strength this week, you need a quad core CPU
> to multitask" posts.
>
> Ignore him, he will go away. He is clearly a clueless child who has no
> knowledge about programming OR computers OR chess.
And where's the fun in that? Are we gonna read Sam Sloan then?
mfg, simon .... l
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Date: 19 Sep 2008 16:51:06
From: Bob Campbell
Subject: Re: So, now its working !!!
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"Simon Krahnke" <[email protected] > wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> And where's the fun in that? Are we gonna read Sam Sloan then?
Not me, he is also in my twit filter.
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Date: 20 Sep 2008 00:41:25
From: Tobias Heidelmann
Subject: Re: So, now its working !!!
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Bob Campbell schrieb:
> "Simon Krahnke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>> And where's the fun in that? Are we gonna read Sam Sloan then?
>
> Not me, he is also in my twit filter.
>
>
come on, Sam Sloan�s stories are quite entertaining sometimes.
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Date: 21 Sep 2008 10:19:47
From: David Richerby
Subject: Re: So, now its working !!!
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Tobias Heidelmann <[email protected] > wrote:
> Bob Campbell schrieb:
>> "Simon Krahnke" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> And where's the fun in that? Are we gonna read Sam Sloan then?
>> Not me, he is also in my twit filter.
> come on, Sam Sloan's stories are quite entertaining sometimes.
Yes, even a stopped clock is right twice a day...
Dave.
--
David Richerby Transparent Tree (TM): it's like a
www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~davidr/ tree but you can see right through it!
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Date: 10 Sep 2008 02:47:08
From: Simon Krahnke
Subject: Re: So, now its working !!!
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* Sanny <[email protected] > (17:36) schrieb:
> Only if someone suggest me how to improve it further then only the
> game can be improved further. So I am looking for good games where I
> can spot mistakes in the game and improve it further.
Hire a programmer who knows what he's doing and let him reimplement that
crap into something maintainable.
mfg, simon .... l
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Date: 10 Sep 2008 02:45:38
From: Simon Krahnke
Subject: Re: So, now its working !!!
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* Guest <[email protected] > (18:27) schrieb:
> 5) Implement the Winboard protocol. It can be done with Java, but you'll
> have to modify some stuff. This would let you run automated matches against
> other programs. You could tell it to play Rybka or Crafty or GNUChess or
> MicroMax or hundreds of other programs. And you could set it up to play
> over night while you are sleeping. You wake up, you check the restuls. No
> effort on your part.
I agree.
Finalfun has an XBoard interface, but its incomplete and poorly tested,
because I always use its UCI interface.
Probably on my engine I go for XBoard first, for the simple reason that
I could the XBoard software on my Linux box. Porting the engine to
Windows will be hard.
mfg, simon .... l
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Date: 09 Sep 2008 09:06:56
From: Taylor Kingston
Subject: Re: So, now its working !!!
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On Sep 9, 11:36=A0am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:
> > =A0 Sanny, I was rated that highly only in postalchess, where one can
> > think for days over a single move. In OTBchessI've never been much
> > over 1800. Quit deceiving yourself -- your program is mediocre at
> > best.
>
> So GetClub Chess is one step ahead. Earlier it was "Silly". Now it is
> mediocre.
Grasping at straws, eh Sanny? No, I said it was mediocre AT BEST. It
is silly far more often than it is mediocre. And if the best it can do
is be mediocre, then it is basically a waste of time, both yours and
ours. Chalk it up to experience, quit posting about it here, and get a
life.
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Date: 17 Sep 2008 07:30:43
From: Bob Campbell
Subject: Re: So, now its working !!!
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"Taylor Kingston" <[email protected] > wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
On Sep 9, 11:36 am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:
> > > Sanny, I was rated that highly only in postalchess, where one can
> > > think for days over a single move. In OTBchessI've never been much
> > > over 1800. Quit deceiving yourself -- your program is mediocre at
> > > best.
> >
> > So GetClub Chess is one step ahead. Earlier it was "Silly". Now it is
> > mediocre.
> Grasping at straws, eh Sanny? No, I said it was mediocre AT BEST. It
>is silly far more often than it is mediocre. And if the best it can do
>is be mediocre, then it is basically a waste of time, both yours and
>ours. Chalk it up to experience, quit posting about it here, and get a
>life.
As long as people here keep replying to him - and playing his silly "chess
program" - he will continue posting here and continue his "my program has
doubled in play strength this week, you need a quad core CPU to multitask"
posts.
Ignore him, he will go away. He is clearly a clueless child who has no
knowledge about programming OR computers OR chess.
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Date: 09 Sep 2008 08:36:06
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: So, now its working !!!
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> =A0 Sanny, I was rated that highly only in postalchess, where one can
> think for days over a single move. In OTBchessI've never been much
> over 1800. Quit deceiving yourself -- your program is mediocre at
> best.
So GetClub Chess is one step ahead. Earlier it was "Silly". Now it is
mediocre.
Now for last 1 month there was no new idea of improvement So the game
strength remains where it was. Its very difficult to improve it
further as whenever a improvement is done some bugs come in and Game
starts playing even worse.
Last month The game was quite strong. After improvement a few bugs
came in and you were unable to play the games. Now after lots of
efforts all bugs have been removed.
Only if someone suggest me how to improve it further then only the
game can be improved further. So I am looking for good games where I
can spot mistakes in the game and improve it further.
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.cim/Chess.html
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Date: 09 Sep 2008 11:27:37
From: Guest
Subject: Re: So, now its working !!!
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"Sanny" <[email protected] > wrote in message
news:583cb40d-0842-43f5-a8d7-c9a9ee16086b@s20g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>Only if someone suggest me how to improve it further then only the
>game can be improved further. So I am looking for good games where I
>can spot mistakes in the game and improve it further.
I can suggest some....
1) Allow time based searches, in addition to (or instead of) the various
'levels' that you've set up.
I don't know how you came up with those levels, but I suspect it's based on
depth of search. The first level probably searches a couple plies and each
higher level increases that by one ply.
That will also making running tests easier & quicker.
2) Improve your tactical ability. To a large degree, this means making it
faster.
3) Get 90% of the WAC in 30 seconds per move. Last I heard, you were
getting 30%? in 30 seconds? Can't remember.
For a beginner level, 30% is okay. But I define "beginner level" as a level
suitable for a person who knows the rules but can barely play. A true
beginner / amateur. A level where the computer will move within a couple
seconds.
4) Within 30 seconds, get most of those draws & mate positions I posted.
5) Implement the Winboard protocol. It can be done with Java, but you'll
have to modify some stuff. This would let you run automated matches against
other programs. You could tell it to play Rybka or Crafty or GNUChess or
MicroMax or hundreds of other programs. And you could set it up to play
over night while you are sleeping. You wake up, you check the restuls. No
effort on your part.
(Jim lits a few Java based Winboard / XBoard engines, so it can be done.
http://homepages.tesco.net/henry.ablett/jims.html )
Forget about the positional improvements kind of stuff. You need to work on
your speed and tactical ability and user stuff.
You could also work on your openings. For example, moving pieces twice
within the first couple moves is usually a bad idea...
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Date: 09 Sep 2008 05:46:39
From:
Subject: Re: So, now its working !!!
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On Sep 9, 5:35=A0am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:
> > > The game was equal till 19th move
>
> > =A0 Good God, Sanny, your gall and ignorance are boundless. Your progra=
m
> > was busted well before move 19.- Hide quoted text -
>
> Today game was corrected So that GetClub plays stronger game. Since
> you are 2300+ rated your Match is Normal Level. Beginner & Easy Levels
> are not good enough for you.
Sanny, I was rated that highly only in postal chess, where one can
think for days over a single move. In OTB chess I've never been much
over 1800. Quit deceiving yourself -- your program is mediocre at
best.
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Date: 09 Sep 2008 02:35:25
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: So, now its working !!!
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> > The game was equal till 19th move
>
> =A0 Good God, Sanny, your gall and ignorance are boundless. Your program
> was busted well before move 19.- Hide quoted text -
Today game was corrected So that GetClub plays stronger game. Since
you are 2300+ rated your Match is Normal Level. Beginner & Easy Levels
are not good enough for you.
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 08 Sep 2008 06:16:27
From:
Subject: Re: So, now its working !!!
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On Sep 8, 1:40=A0am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:
> > > > =A0 Yes, it worked; that is, it made moves and allowed me to make m=
oves.
> > > > But it played idiotically, and lost very quickly. I would say it
> > > > played somewhere around Elo 900.
>
> > > No it twice better now.
>
> For last 2 weeks there was no improvement made to the game in Playing
> Strength.
>
> > =A0 Here is the game, as best I can remember. GetClubbed played White:
>
> > 1. e4 c5 2. Nc3 Nc6 3. Nf3 g6 4. Bc4 Bg7 5. Nd5? e6 6. Nf4 Nge7 7. d3
> > O-O 8. Ng5? d5 9. exd5 exd5 10. Bb3 b5 11. a3 Nd4 12. O-O Nxb3 13.
> > cxb3 Nc6 14. h4?? h6 15. Nf3 Bg4 16. Rb1 Nd4 17. Be3 Bxf3 18. gxf3
> > Qxh4 19. Nxd5?? Rad8 20. Bxd4 Rxd5 21. Re1 Bxd4 22. Qc2 Qh3 =A00-1
>
> This game was stopped in first move So Opening moves were not played
> by GetClub that was the reasion of its lost. Normally first 4 moves
> are opening moves So it is difficult for opponent to break into.
>
> > =A0 I don't claim to have played all that well, but it played
> > dreadfully. If it's Elo 2200 strength, then minnows are whales.
> > =A0 And Sanny, don't ask whatGetClubdid wrong. It's obvious you will
> > never understand.
>
> Game Played between Stinky Garlnoot and beginner at GetClub.com
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------=
--=AD-----
> Stinky Garlnoot: (Black)
> beginner: (White)
> Game Played at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
> View Recorded Game:http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=3DDM26140&game=
=3DChess
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------=
--=AD-----
>
> White -- Black
> (beginner) -- (Stinky Garlnoot)
>
> 1. e2-e4{2} c7-c5{6}
> 2. Nb1-c3{50} Nb8-c6{10}
> 3. Ng1-f3{40} g7-g6{8}
> 4. Bf1-c4{60} Bf8-g7{18}
> 5. Nc3-d5{14} e7-e6{12}
> 6. Nd5-f4{6} Ng8-e7{16}
> 7. d2-d3{12} Ke8-g8{14}
> 8. Nf3-g5{82} d7-d5{72}
> 9. Bc4-b3{30} b7-b5{60}
> 10. e4-d5{6} e6-d5{18}
> 11. a2-a3{18} Nc6-d4{110}
> 12. Ke1-g1{0} Nd4-b3{38}
> 13. c2-b3{6} Ne7-c6{30}
> 14. h2-h4{6} h7-h6{20}
> 15. Ng5-f3{10} Bc8-g4{12}
> 16. Ra1-b1{10} Nc6-d4{30}
> 17. Bc1-e3{24} Bg4-f3{22}
> 18. g2-f3{14} Qd8-h4{44}
> 19. Nf4-d5{0} Ra8-d8{288}
> 20. Be3-d4{6} Rd8-d5{30}
> 21. Rf1-e1{6} Bg7-d4{20}
> 22. Qd1-c2{8} Qh4-h3{20}
> 23. Re1-e4{36}
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------=
--=AD-----
> =A0Stinky Garlnoot: (Black)
> beginner: (White)
> Game Played at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
> View Recorded Game:http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=3DDM26140&game=
=3DChess
>
> The game was equal till 19th move
Good God, Sanny, your gall and ignorance are boundless. Your program
was busted well before move 19.
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Date: 07 Sep 2008 22:40:08
From: Sanny
Subject: So, now its working !!!
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> > > =A0 Yes, it worked; that is, it made moves and allowed me to make mov=
es.
> > > But it played idiotically, and lost very quickly. I would say it
> > > played somewhere around Elo 900.
>
> > No it twice better now.
For last 2 weeks there was no improvement made to the game in Playing
Strength.
> =A0 Here is the game, as best I can remember. GetClubbed played White:
>
> 1. e4 c5 2. Nc3 Nc6 3. Nf3 g6 4. Bc4 Bg7 5. Nd5? e6 6. Nf4 Nge7 7. d3
> O-O 8. Ng5? d5 9. exd5 exd5 10. Bb3 b5 11. a3 Nd4 12. O-O Nxb3 13.
> cxb3 Nc6 14. h4?? h6 15. Nf3 Bg4 16. Rb1 Nd4 17. Be3 Bxf3 18. gxf3
> Qxh4 19. Nxd5?? Rad8 20. Bxd4 Rxd5 21. Re1 Bxd4 22. Qc2 Qh3 =A00-1
>
This game was stopped in first move So Opening moves were not played
by GetClub that was the reasion of its lost. Normally first 4 moves
are opening moves So it is difficult for opponent to break into.
> =A0 I don't claim to have played all that well, but it played
> dreadfully. If it's Elo 2200 strength, then minnows are whales.
> =A0 And Sanny, don't ask whatGetClubdid wrong. It's obvious you will
> never understand.
Game Played between Stinky Garlnoot and beginner at GetClub.com
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Stinky Garlnoot: (Black)
beginner: (White)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=3DDM26140&game=
=3DChess
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White -- Black
(beginner) -- (Stinky Garlnoot)
1. e2-e4{2} c7-c5{6}
2. Nb1-c3{50} Nb8-c6{10}
3. Ng1-f3{40} g7-g6{8}
4. Bf1-c4{60} Bf8-g7{18}
5. Nc3-d5{14} e7-e6{12}
6. Nd5-f4{6} Ng8-e7{16}
7. d2-d3{12} Ke8-g8{14}
8. Nf3-g5{82} d7-d5{72}
9. Bc4-b3{30} b7-b5{60}
10. e4-d5{6} e6-d5{18}
11. a2-a3{18} Nc6-d4{110}
12. Ke1-g1{0} Nd4-b3{38}
13. c2-b3{6} Ne7-c6{30}
14. h2-h4{6} h7-h6{20}
15. Ng5-f3{10} Bc8-g4{12}
16. Ra1-b1{10} Nc6-d4{30}
17. Bc1-e3{24} Bg4-f3{22}
18. g2-f3{14} Qd8-h4{44}
19. Nf4-d5{0} Ra8-d8{288}
20. Be3-d4{6} Rd8-d5{30}
21. Rf1-e1{6} Bg7-d4{20}
22. Qd1-c2{8} Qh4-h3{20}
23. Re1-e4{36}
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Stinky Garlnoot: (Black)
beginner: (White)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=3DDM26140&game=
=3DChess
The game was equal till 19th move But because of a Mate Trap GetClub
has to sacrifice its bishop and lost the game.
Play a new game without breaking the opening moves as when game is
disconnected it do not play opening moves. And since you are strong
player you should play with Easy Level.
Easy Level plays in 1 min / move. Have a serious game with Easy Level.
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 07 Sep 2008 14:43:49
From: Simon Krahnke
Subject: Re: Why these errors only to Taylor Kingston?
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* Sanny <[email protected] > (07:07) schrieb:
> That is may be due to slow speed of your internet connection. I get
> this downloaded in just 30 seconds on my computer.
That's ridiculous. A jar file containing everything has 43535 bytes. An
ISDN connection in Europe has 64kbit/s, it would take less than 6
seconds for the download. Make the calculation for your broadband
connection yourself.
> And it also suggests that you are working on more than one program
> while playing. Thats the real reasion why you get so many
> interruption.
It's the 21st century, no one uses DOS anymore.
> While Playing Chess you have to stop other activities. Its not just a
> simple web page Its a whole Chess application. In order you want to
> work on multiple apps you must have a dual core or a quad core
> computer.
Nonsense. My single core Pentium 4 does just fine doing chess analysis
in the background while surfing the web.
I already mentioned that I did run an EPD test on my Finalfun while
watching an video stream on the Internet.
mfg, simon .... l
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Date: 06 Sep 2008 23:36:09
From: Sanny
Subject: Taylor Kingston problem solved !!!
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> During the loading of another
> screen, the graphicchessboard leaps off-
> screen, and one must scroll downward to
> find it again.
Thankyou help Bot. This is the reasion why the GetClub Chess
disconnects. Since it leaps of to top of screen some browsers cannot
handle it and the game disconnects.
Now this scrolling upwards have been removed So that players have a
smooth play.
Now I understand why some people cannot play the game as their Browser
hangs.
So Help Bot has solved the problem by identifing the possible cause of
Connection Break
Thank you Help Bot again.
Taylor Kingston I feel now the problem you were facing is solved as I
have implemented the Help Bot's Suggestions and now the game will be
more stable.
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 06 Sep 2008 22:07:06
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Why these errors only to Taylor Kingston?
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> =A0 Sanny, one of the reasons there are so few
> games played every day is that there have
> been (and still are) innumerable issues with
> the Web site.
Can you list all those issues you face everytime?
As when I play I do not see any problem. May be as I have good
BroadBand Connection and a fast desktop computer.
> =A0 For instance, the last time I started a game
> atGetClubI was immediately disconnected,
> and since this happens frequently I just gave
> up and decided to do other things rather than
> try again and again.
Do you have Network (Internet Connection) Problem? Are you not having
Broadband?
> =A0 In addition to the ill-logic of having players
> twice undergo the process of level selection,
The First Screen is just to let player know that the available Levels
are "Beginner, Easy, Normal etc". It is only the level Chosen in the
Applet that is your real Level.
> one screen has the "Normal" level misspelled
> as "Notmal". =A0
This spelling mistake was Corrected Just now.
> During the loading of another
> screen, the graphicchessboard leaps off-
> screen, and one must scroll downward to
> find it again. =A0
That is for people to Click on Ads. Should I remove that?
> In addition, the Java applet --
> at least on my machine -- takes over one
> minute to finish loading, and if I switch to
> some other "tab" it may or may not finish
> at all. =A0Such annoyances are not common
> with mainstream Web sites, yet they seem
> to plague yours to no end.
That is may be due to slow speed of your internet connection. I get
this downloaded in just 30 seconds on my computer. And it also
suggests that you are working on more than one program while playing.
Thats the real reasion why you get so many interruption.
While Playing Chess you have to stop other activities. Its not just a
simple web page Its a whole Chess application. In order you want to
work on multiple apps you must have a dual core or a quad core
computer.
> =A0 Some time ago -- in Pleistocene Era I
> think -- someone advised you on how to
> solve these problems by utilizing a free
> resource on the Web,
I do not remember such instance. Can you tell me which Resources if
you remember.
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 09 Sep 2008 18:44:24
From: Tobias Heidelmann
Subject: Re: Why these errors only to Taylor Kingston?
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Sanny schrieb:
> While Playing Chess you have to stop other activities. Its not just a
> simple web page Its a whole Chess application. In order you want to
> work on multiple apps you must have a dual core or a quad core
> computer.
ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!
this is so ridiculous. normally I can watch a movie, surf the web, let
fritz analyse my latest game and download some updates/patches for
various programs. all at the same time!! but when i use your chess site
i have to stop all other activities because your chess site is so
resource intensive ?!?!? this is laughable.
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Date: 09 Sep 2008 12:28:05
From: Guest
Subject: Re: Why these errors only to Taylor Kingston?
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"Tobias Heidelmann" <[email protected] > wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Sanny schrieb:
>
>> While Playing Chess you have to stop other activities. Its not just a
>> simple web page Its a whole Chess application. In order you want to
>> work on multiple apps you must have a dual core or a quad core
>> computer.
Wow. I didn't see that message, but I haven't been in here for a while...
Sanny;
Multi-tasking has been a part of Linux from the very beginning. It's
inherent regardless of what hardware you use.
The Mac originally had crippled multitasking but it changed to true
multitasking long ago.
For windows, things are a little less clear due to its heritage, but XP &
Vista also have true multitasking.
In the old days, Windows 3 could not reliably multi-task. So you couldn't
reliably do two things at once. This was due to its DOS heritage. Dos
required one program at a time to be run. It was also due somewhat to the
limited hardware available. But mostly due to Windows itself.
Starting with Windows 95, things began to change. True multi-tasking was
added. (Just like Unix, Linux, etc.) You could watch a movie and do
something else. You could some computation going in the background, a file
transfer happening in the background, and you doing something else in the
foreground.
Windows 98 improved that. And the available hardware improved. By that
time, 486's and Pentiums were the norm.
Windows XP significantly improved that because it got rid of the last the
DOS concepts that bothered Windows 95 / 98. It works and it works well.
Vista is like XP in this regard. It works and it works well.
You can watch a movie, have a chess program running, have a program
compilation going all going at once. They don't stop when you switch away
from them.
Multi-tasking is based on the OS, not the hardware.
For Windows, every 1/100th of a second, the OS switches among tasks. You
can have a mp3 playing and a chess program and a browser window and a word
processor and other stuff open. And they are all running at once. They
don't stop simply because you aren't looking at them. (Unless they are
deliberately programed to.) Windows will switch between them just fine.
(Linux & the Mac are similar but they may use a value other than 1/100th of
a second.)
What a multi-core / multi-processor system will do is improve on that. It
has more cpu resources available so it can spread those tasks among the
available processors.
That means you can run multiple cpu intensive applications with less
reduction in performance.
For example, on a single processor system, you can have 4 chess programs
running at once. Each one will get 25% of the available cpu power. But
they will run.
On a dual core system, each cpu will run two of the four, so each chess
program would get 50% of the available cpu power.
On a quad core system, each cpu will run one of the four, so each chess
program will get 100% of the available cpu power.
But they will all run. The only change is simply how much resources it can
give.
And a modern CPU (such as your Pentium 4) has enough horsepower to run quite
a few applications concurently. A chess program, a video, several web
pages, etc. will all do just fine at the same time.
They will run a little slower than if they were running by themselves. But
they will run. And modern processors have enough power that they will run
fairly well.
Things are a little different when you start talking about multi-threading a
chess program. To make it aware of the multiple cores and be able to use
them. In that case you do sort of need a multi-core system. But even
without it, it will still run. Just not efficiently.
It will be somewhat like you trying to run 4 chess programs at once because
you expect a quad-core system. For a dual-core system, it'd be smarter to
run just 2, and for a single core to run just one. But they'll still run.
> ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!
> this is so ridiculous. normally I can watch a movie, surf the web, let
> fritz analyse my latest game and download some updates/patches for various
> programs. all at the same time!! but when i use your chess site i have to
> stop all other activities because your chess site is so resource intensive
> ?!?!? this is laughable.
>
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Date: 06 Sep 2008 13:02:20
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Why these errors only to Taylor Kingston?
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On Sep 6, 12:43=A0pm, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:
> If you have everything fast and perfect. Then I have to find Why you
> are facing such problem.
>
> As everyday 10-20 games are played and no one is facing any problem.
Sanny, one of the reasons there are so few
games played every day is that there have
been (and still are) innumerable issues with
the Web site.
For instance, the last time I started a game
at GetClub I was immediately disconnected,
and since this happens frequently I just gave
up and decided to do other things rather than
try again and again.
In addition to the ill-logic of having players
twice undergo the process of level selection,
one screen has the "Normal" level misspelled
as "Notmal". During the loading of another
screen, the graphic chess board leaps off-
screen, and one must scroll downward to
find it again. In addition, the Java applet --
at least on my machine -- takes over one
minute to finish loading, and if I switch to
some other "tab" it may or may not finish
at all. Such annoyances are not common
with mainstream Web sites, yet they seem
to plague yours to no end.
Some time ago -- in Pleistocene Era I
think -- someone advised you on how to
solve these problems by utilizing a free
resource on the Web, but you chose to
ignore them. This kind of approach may
inevitably lead to failure, even after count-
less hours of work in other areas, such as
honing one's openings book or fixing the
many issues with move legality, etc.
-- help bot
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Date: 06 Sep 2008 09:43:53
From: Sanny
Subject: Why these errors only to Taylor Kingston?
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> =A0 Quite so. Having an idle moment this morning, I tried it again.
> Rather than continue an earlier unfinished game (in whichGetClubhad
> opened 1.h3) it started a new one. After playing 1.e4 it exclaimed "I
> played Rook! My healthy Rook!" Then it would not allow me to move in
> reply.
I am very amazed why is this happening only with you? While Every
other player is able to finish his games.
It happened Twice. Do you saw the Box "Game Disconnected"?
Here is a quick Questionare that may help me sort out the problem
------------------------- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Q. 1: What is your Operating System "Windows/ Linux/ Unix/ Mac/ Vista/
XP"
Q. 2: and what Browser you are using? "Internet Explorer/ Netscape/
FireFox"
Q. 3: If above are one of them then What is your Computer Hardware?
Q. 4: Is it some old computer?
Q. 5: And How good is your Internet Connection? Do you have broadband?
If you have everything fast and perfect. Then I have to find Why you
are facing such problem.
As everyday 10-20 games are played and no one is facing any problem.
Q. 6: Are you using too many programs at once? Or watching youtube/
Checking mails while playing?
------------------------- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
If you provide me above information I may tell why you are getting
this problem. If you do not have latest java installed then install
latest java program.
I checked your game on my Computer. And it is playing correctly. Try
using your friends computer and play the game and you will see Its
playing correctly. As out of 500 players playing at GetClub only you
are getting such problem. May be others are just not complaining me.
> =A0 This must be Sanny's way of guaranteeing his ridiculous program
> never loses again.
See the Recorded Games and you will see last 100 games and how many
were won by GetClub. Many people take help from other programs to play
at GetClub, So they get easy win. But those who use their brain are
losing to GetClub most of the time. Except "Help Bot"
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 06 Sep 2008 06:49:29
From:
Subject: Re: No Bug found. Its network error.
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On Aug 31, 11:39=A0am, [email protected] wrote:
> On Aug 31, 11:14=A0am, Sanny <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > > > I think all Bugs have gone out to party. So We can enjoy playing Ch=
ess
> > > > at GetClub without Bugs.
>
> > > =A0 Really now. I just tried it, and it didn't work at all.
> > > =A0 On beginner level, as White, it played 1.e3 e5 2.h3 d5 3.d4. Not
> > > exactly state-of-the-art opening play. It took about 3 minutes to get
> > > that far, even though 10-20 seconds per move was advertised. Then it
> > > refused to allow me to move. I tried to play 3...e4, but nothing
> > > happened. So much for being bug-free.
>
> > Not a single bug was found. Everything is correct at GetClub end. 5
> > Games have been played with no error So It is high chances your
> > internet connection broke at the time you moved.
>
> > Nothing to worry about, You can complete the game
> > by re-login at.http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
>
> > As your game is recorded you can start from where you left.
>
> > Try using minimum Browsers and programs when playing Chess.
>
> > Bye
> > Sanny
>
> > Play Chess at.http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
>
> Oh, my God.
>
> I just tried out this sorry excuse for a program. =A0On easy (beginner)
> level, here are the moves. =A0I played White:
>
> 1. e4 =A0 =A0 =A0e5
> 2. Nf3 =A0 =A0 Bd6
> 3. d4 =A0 =A0 =A0exd4
> 4. Qxd4 =A0Bf8
>
> At this point, I was laughing so hard I had to simply quit the game.
> This type of play is what Sanny says is 2200+ strength.
> Bwwwaaaahhaaahhaaaaa!!
>
> Not only does the play of the program suck, the interface is
> horrible! =A0Clashing, ugly colors provide a visual nightmare, while
> Sanny has seen fit to add the most ridiculous sound effects
> imaginable. =A0Playing this program is like looking at an old video game
> representation of a car race.
>
> How sad. =A0Don't bother with this piece of shit program. =A0Sanny should
> be ashamed of himself.
>
> 'nuff said.
Quite so. Having an idle moment this morning, I tried it again.
Rather than continue an earlier unfinished game (in which GetClub had
opened 1.h3) it started a new one. After playing 1.e4 it exclaimed "I
played Rook! My healthy Rook!" Then it would not allow me to move in
reply.
This must be Sanny's way of guaranteeing his ridiculous program
never loses again.
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Date: 02 Sep 2008 00:23:11
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: GetClub Chess Stronger than ever !!!
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> > 1. You press Resign button and the game is recorded.
> > 2. I delete this game from database. Then thisgame will not be
> > recorded.
>
> > Which one do you chose?
>
> Presumably he'd like to chose:
> 3. You firstly record this game manually as drawn and then you make the
> program follow the rules.
I can't give draw to a running game. I can only delete it if the user
asks. Only the player playing the game can win/ lose/ draw.
I can only delete a game if something went wrong. Player can always
resign the game if he wants to start a new game. But if there is
anything wrong I will delete the game without the ratings being
affected.
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 01 Sep 2008 22:39:07
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: GetClub Chess Stronger than ever !!!
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> > Or Exchange the pieces So that game is drawn.
>
> There is no way to force piece exchanges in that position.
>
> > If nothing work Press "Resign Game" Button.
>
> Why should I resign a game that is already drawn? I think it would be
> better if you fixed your program. Or if you can't fix it,GetClub
> should resign since it is unable to follow the rules.
Now only 2 options are left.
1. You press Resign button and the game is recorded.
2. I delete this game from database. Then thisgame will not be
recorded.
Which one do you chose?
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 02 Sep 2008 08:14:04
From: Bjoern
Subject: Re: GetClub Chess Stronger than ever !!!
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Sanny wrote:
>>>Or Exchange the pieces So that game is drawn.
>>
>>There is no way to force piece exchanges in that position.
>>
>>
>>>If nothing work Press "Resign Game" Button.
>>
>>Why should I resign a game that is already drawn? I think it would be
>>better if you fixed your program. Or if you can't fix it,GetClub
>>should resign since it is unable to follow the rules.
>
>
> Now only 2 options are left.
>
> 1. You press Resign button and the game is recorded.
> 2. I delete this game from database. Then thisgame will not be
> recorded.
>
> Which one do you chose?
>
Presumably he'd like to chose:
3. You firstly record this game manually as drawn and then you make the
program follow the rules.
It's rather embarrassing that you still have not make it even follow the
rules, yet.
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Date: 02 Sep 2008 20:37:44
From: Peter Osterlund
Subject: Re: GetClub Chess Stronger than ever !!!
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Bjoern <[email protected] > writes:
> Sanny wrote:
>>>>Or Exchange the pieces So that game is drawn.
>>>
>>>There is no way to force piece exchanges in that position.
>>>
>>>
>>>>If nothing work Press "Resign Game" Button.
>>>
>>>Why should I resign a game that is already drawn? I think it would be
>>>better if you fixed your program. Or if you can't fix it,GetClub
>>>should resign since it is unable to follow the rules.
>>
>>
>> Now only 2 options are left.
>>
>> 1. You press Resign button and the game is recorded.
>> 2. I delete this game from database. Then thisgame will not be
>> recorded.
>>
>> Which one do you chose?
>>
>
> Presumably he'd like to chose:
> 3. You firstly record this game manually as drawn and then you make
> the program follow the rules.
I chose option 4: Use Jedi mind control tricks to convince GetClub
that the game really is a draw.
--
Peter Osterlund - [email protected]
http://web.telia.com/~u89404340
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Date: 01 Sep 2008 14:40:14
From: Simon Krahnke
Subject: Re: No Bug found. Its network error.
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* Sanny <[email protected] > (12:11) schrieb:
>> >> 1. e4 � � �e5
>> >> 2. Nf3 � � Bd6
>> >> 3. d4 � � �exd4
>> >> 4. Qxd4 �Bf8
>>
>> The position is exactly like the starting position for black except that
>> the e pawn is missing. How obvious can bad play be?
>
> I feel it played Bf8 to protect the g7 pawn.
Toga II scores Bf8 at -1.01 and Nf6 at -0.23. That's a huge difference
this early.
For fun I tried my Finalfun on this position. It prefers Nc6 because it
doesn't lose material. After Bf8 it takes a short trip to Qxg7 but soon
sees it to lose its queen. Score's are still equal.
> Since this was Beginner Level it overlooked those moves and played Bf8
> to protect the g7 pawn.
What ELO is that level supposed to be at?
> Even after playing Bf8 the score of both sides is nearly equal.
That only shows how buggy your positional evaluation is.
mfg, simon .... l
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Date: 01 Sep 2008 14:27:24
From: David Richerby
Subject: Re: No Bug found. Its network error.
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Simon Krahnke <[email protected] > wrote:
> What ELO is that level supposed to be at?
Sanny doesn't know his ass from his Elo.
Dave.
--
David Richerby Voodoo Cat (TM): it's like a cuddly
www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~davidr/ pet that has mystical powers!
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Date: 01 Sep 2008 03:11:29
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: No Bug found. Its network error.
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> >> 1. e4 =A0 =A0 =A0e5
> >> 2. Nf3 =A0 =A0 Bd6
> >> 3. d4 =A0 =A0 =A0exd4
> >> 4. Qxd4 =A0Bf8
>
> The position is exactly like the starting position for black except that
> the e pawn is missing. How obvious can bad play be?
I feel it played Bf8 to protect the g7 pawn.
The other move to save g7 pawn is Nf6. But it do not play that as
GetClub was afraid of the fork of (Knight & Bishop) by playing e4 pawn
to e5.
But on further analyzing on Computer I find that fork can be saved by
playing Nc6 after Nf6. And when Queen goes back Bring the Queen to e7.
And Black can now take e5 pawn.
Since this was Beginner Level it overlooked those moves and played Bf8
to protect the g7 pawn.
Even after playing Bf8 the score of both sides is nearly equal.
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 01 Sep 2008 02:22:03
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: GetClub Chess Stronger than ever !!!
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> > New Ratings for GetClub Levels are:-
>
> > Beginner: 2200+
>
> There is at least one bug left. In the game belowGetClubmanaged to
> draw against my Novag Constellation for the first time. However, a
> "Claim draw" button is missing inGetClub. Therefore when Novag
> claimed a draw at move 94 there was no way to enter that claim into
> theGetClubprogram. The draw claim was valid according to the 50 move
> rule. As a resultGetClubthinks the game is still ongoing even though
> according to standardchessrules the games is drawn.
To draw this game Try repeating the same moves and it will draw.
Or Exchange the pieces So that game is drawn.
If nothing work Press "Resign Game" Button.
>
> [Date "2008.08.31"]
> [White "Novag Constellation 3.6MHz, 30s/move"]
> [Black "GetClubbeginner level"]
> [Result "1/2-1/2"]
>
> 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. d4 exd4 5. O-O Nxe4 6. Re1 d5 7. Bxd5
> Qxd5 8. Nc3 Qh5 9. Nxe4 Be6 10. Bg5 b6 11. Nxd4 Qxd1 12. Raxd1 Nxd4 13.
> Rxd4 c5 14. Nd6+ Bxd6 15. Rxd6 O-O 16. b3 Rfe8 17. c3 Bxb3 18. Re7 Rxe7 19.
> Bxe7 Be6 20. Rd2 Re8 21. a3 c4 22. Bd6 Rd8 23. f3 g6 24. Kf2 f6 25. Ke3 Kg7
> 26. Rd4 g5 27. f4 Rd7 28. fxg5 fxg5 29. Bb8 a6 30. Bd6 b5 31. Kd2 Kg6 32.
> Ke3 a5 33. Kd2 h5 34. Ke3 h4 35. Kd2 h3 36. gxh3 Rh7 37. Bg3 Rxh3 38. Rd6
> Kf5 39. Ra6 a4 40. Ra7 Rh8 41. Rb7 Rd8+ 42. Kc2 Rd5 43. Bc7 g4 44. Bg3 Bd7
> 45. Rb8 Ke4 46. Rg8 Bf5 47. Kc1 Rd3 48. Be1 Rh3 49. Bg3 Ke3 50. Rg5 Bd7 51.
> Re5+ Kf3 52. Re7 Bc8 53. Kd2 Rh6 54. Rc7 Rh8 55. Rf7+ Kg2 56. Rf2+ Kh3 57.
> Rf7 Rd8+ 58. Ke2 Kg2 59. Rf2+ Kh3 60. Rf7 Rd7 61. Rf8 Bb7 62. Kf1 Rh7 63.
> Kf2 Be4 64. Bf4 Bb1 65. Rf6 Rh8 66. Re6 Rh5 67. Re3+ Kh4 68. Bg3+ Kg5 69.
> Re1 Bc2 70. Re2 Bd3 71. Re8 Kg6 72. Rg8+ Kf5 73. Rd8 Be4 74. Rf8+ Kg5 75.
> Bf4+ Kg6 76. Rg8+ Kf5 77. Rf8+ Ke6 78. Re8+ Kd5 79. Rd8+ Kc6 80. Rg8 Bf5
> 81. Re8 Bc2 82. Rg8 Bf5 83. Re8 Bd7 84. Rg8 Rh7 85. Rd8 Bf5 86. Rf8 Bc2 87.
> Rg8 Bf5 88. Rf8 Bc2 89. Rg8 Rh3 90. Bg3 Bd1 91. Rg6+ Kb7 92. Rg7+ Kb6 93.
> Rg6+ Kb7 94. Rg7+
> {Draw by fifty-move rule} 1/2-1/2
I am glad for the first time GetClub was able to draw a game with your
Supirior program.
Do you know the rating of your Program at 30s/ move? Is it 2200? If
yes then GetClub Beginner Level too is 2200 Rated as it was able to
draw the game.
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 01 Sep 2008 18:43:09
From: Peter Osterlund
Subject: Re: GetClub Chess Stronger than ever !!!
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Sanny <[email protected] > writes:
>> > New Ratings for GetClub Levels are:-
>>
>> > Beginner: 2200+
>>
>> There is at least one bug left. In the game belowGetClubmanaged to
>> draw against my Novag Constellation for the first time. However, a
>> "Claim draw" button is missing inGetClub. Therefore when Novag
>> claimed a draw at move 94 there was no way to enter that claim into
>> theGetClubprogram. The draw claim was valid according to the 50 move
>> rule. As a resultGetClubthinks the game is still ongoing even though
>> according to standardchessrules the games is drawn.
>
> To draw this game Try repeating the same moves and it will draw.
That doesn't seem to work, because GetClub is not repeating its
moves. At one point I managed to get the game drawn again by the
threefold repetition rule, but apparently GetClub doesn't understand
that rule either. (Maybe it does understand the rule in some special
cases, like when both players are just moving back and forth between
two different squares.)
> Or Exchange the pieces So that game is drawn.
There is no way to force piece exchanges in that position.
> If nothing work Press "Resign Game" Button.
Why should I resign a game that is already drawn? I think it would be
better if you fixed your program. Or if you can't fix it, GetClub
should resign since it is unable to follow the rules.
> I am glad for the first time GetClub was able to draw a game with your
> Supirior program.
>
> Do you know the rating of your Program at 30s/ move? Is it 2200?
It's not "my superior program", it's a dedicated chess computer from
1986 or so, which runs on a 3.6MHz 6502 8-bit CPU with about 16KB
RAM/ROM. It has a rating of about 1650 at 3min/move.
The computer that was running the GetClub program has at least 10000
times as much computational power as the Novag chess computer.
> If yes then GetClub Beginner Level too is 2200 Rated as it was able
> to draw the game.
No that would not be the case. Chess ratings are based on many games
and calculated in a way that makes it possible to estimate the
expected *average* outcome of many games played between two players.
The outcome of a single game can't be used to calculate ratings.
--
Peter Osterlund - [email protected]
http://web.telia.com/~u89404340
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Date: 31 Aug 2008 19:50:29
From: Peter Osterlund
Subject: Re: GetClub Chess Stronger than ever !!!
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Sanny <[email protected] > writes:
> Now, GetClub Chess is playing tremendously strong games.
>
> I think all Bugs have gone out to party. So We can enjoy playing Chess
> at GetClub without Bugs.
>
> So play a game and test for yourself how it is playing now. Tell me
> how you find the strength of GetClub.
>
> Start with Beginner then go and play with Easy if you succeed.
>
> New Ratings for GetClub Levels are:-
>
> Beginner: 2200+
There is at least one bug left. In the game below GetClub managed to
draw against my Novag Constellation for the first time. However, a
"Claim draw" button is missing in GetClub. Therefore when Novag
claimed a draw at move 94 there was no way to enter that claim into
the GetClub program. The draw claim was valid according to the 50 move
rule. As a result GetClub thinks the game is still ongoing even though
according to standard chess rules the games is drawn.
[Date "2008.08.31"]
[White "Novag Constellation 3.6MHz, 30s/move"]
[Black "GetClub beginner level"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. d4 exd4 5. O-O Nxe4 6. Re1 d5 7. Bxd5
Qxd5 8. Nc3 Qh5 9. Nxe4 Be6 10. Bg5 b6 11. Nxd4 Qxd1 12. Raxd1 Nxd4 13.
Rxd4 c5 14. Nd6+ Bxd6 15. Rxd6 O-O 16. b3 Rfe8 17. c3 Bxb3 18. Re7 Rxe7 19.
Bxe7 Be6 20. Rd2 Re8 21. a3 c4 22. Bd6 Rd8 23. f3 g6 24. Kf2 f6 25. Ke3 Kg7
26. Rd4 g5 27. f4 Rd7 28. fxg5 fxg5 29. Bb8 a6 30. Bd6 b5 31. Kd2 Kg6 32.
Ke3 a5 33. Kd2 h5 34. Ke3 h4 35. Kd2 h3 36. gxh3 Rh7 37. Bg3 Rxh3 38. Rd6
Kf5 39. Ra6 a4 40. Ra7 Rh8 41. Rb7 Rd8+ 42. Kc2 Rd5 43. Bc7 g4 44. Bg3 Bd7
45. Rb8 Ke4 46. Rg8 Bf5 47. Kc1 Rd3 48. Be1 Rh3 49. Bg3 Ke3 50. Rg5 Bd7 51.
Re5+ Kf3 52. Re7 Bc8 53. Kd2 Rh6 54. Rc7 Rh8 55. Rf7+ Kg2 56. Rf2+ Kh3 57.
Rf7 Rd8+ 58. Ke2 Kg2 59. Rf2+ Kh3 60. Rf7 Rd7 61. Rf8 Bb7 62. Kf1 Rh7 63.
Kf2 Be4 64. Bf4 Bb1 65. Rf6 Rh8 66. Re6 Rh5 67. Re3+ Kh4 68. Bg3+ Kg5 69.
Re1 Bc2 70. Re2 Bd3 71. Re8 Kg6 72. Rg8+ Kf5 73. Rd8 Be4 74. Rf8+ Kg5 75.
Bf4+ Kg6 76. Rg8+ Kf5 77. Rf8+ Ke6 78. Re8+ Kd5 79. Rd8+ Kc6 80. Rg8 Bf5
81. Re8 Bc2 82. Rg8 Bf5 83. Re8 Bd7 84. Rg8 Rh7 85. Rd8 Bf5 86. Rf8 Bc2 87.
Rg8 Bf5 88. Rf8 Bc2 89. Rg8 Rh3 90. Bg3 Bd1 91. Rg6+ Kb7 92. Rg7+ Kb6 93.
Rg6+ Kb7 94. Rg7+
{Draw by fifty-move rule} 1/2-1/2
--
Peter Osterlund - [email protected]
http://web.telia.com/~u89404340
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Date: 31 Aug 2008 21:00:14
From: Simon Krahnke
Subject: Re: No Bug found. Its network error.
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* Sanny <[email protected] > (18:59) schrieb:
>> I just tried out this sorry excuse for a program. �On easy (beginner)
>> level, here are the moves. �I played White:
>>
>> 1. e4 � � �e5
>> 2. Nf3 � � Bd6
>> 3. d4 � � �exd4
>> 4. Qxd4 �Bf8
>>
>> At this point, I was laughing so hard I had to simply quit the game.
>> This type of play is what Sanny says is 2200+ strength.
>> Bwwwaaaahhaaahhaaaaa!!
>
> What username you had while playing? And by seeing just 4 moves you
> descided the game plays bad.
The position is exactly like the starting position for black except that
the e pawn is missing. How obvious can bad play be?
mfg, simon .... l
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Date: 31 Aug 2008 09:59:14
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: No Bug found. Its network error.
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> Oh, my God.
God is great
>
> I just tried out this sorry excuse for a program. =A0On easy (beginner)
> level, here are the moves. =A0I played White:
>
> 1. e4 =A0 =A0 =A0e5
> 2. Nf3 =A0 =A0 Bd6
> 3. d4 =A0 =A0 =A0exd4
> 4. Qxd4 =A0Bf8
>
> At this point, I was laughing so hard I had to simply quit the game.
> This type of play is what Sanny says is 2200+ strength.
> Bwwwaaaahhaaahhaaaaa!!
What username you had while playing? And by seeing just 4 moves you
descided the game plays bad. I suppose you show a game where you
actually win then that would be great.
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
You can complete this game as all games are recorded. So you can leave
after playing 10-20 moves come back after 5 hours and play the rest of
the game. So you can play only when you have free time. Game is
recorded so no need to worry.
> Not only does the play of the program suck, the interface is
> horrible! =A0Clashing, ugly colors provide a visual nightmare, while
What should be the colors Please let me know changing colors to your
likes is possible. Please suggest the colors you want. I will see that
there are better colors and fonts.
> Sanny has seen fit to add the most ridiculous sound effects
> imaginable. =A0Playing this program is like looking at an old video game
> representation of a car race.
Yes initially the horn is blasted to say Please suggest what type of
sound would be better?
> How sad. =A0Don't bother with this piece of shit program. =A0Sanny should
> be ashamed of himself.
I am very grateful that GetClub beats 90% of the players playing it.
Only a few players can beat it really. If you think GetClub is weaker
than you complete the game and show us the result.
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 06 Sep 2008 17:38:40
From: Tobias Heidelmann
Subject: Re: No Bug found. Its network error.
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Sanny schrieb:
>> Not only does the play of the program suck, the interface is
>> horrible! Clashing, ugly colors provide a visual nightmare, while
>
> What should be the colors Please let me know changing colors to your
> likes is possible. Please suggest the colors you want. I will see that
> there are better colors and fonts.
about two months ago you asked the same and i gave you some advice.
however you ignored it. so dont pretend to be interested in improvements
of your sorry excuse for web design.
i dont bother to repeat myself, just a simple suggestion: look at
amazon. search for "web design" and order a book. you will do your users
a great favor.
another option: google for online chess. look at the pages you find
there. get some inspiration there.
but stop asking for improvements and ignore any replies.
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Date: 31 Aug 2008 08:39:55
From:
Subject: Re: No Bug found. Its network error.
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On Aug 31, 11:14=A0am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:
> > > I think all Bugs have gone out to party. So We can enjoy playing Ches=
s
> > > at GetClub without Bugs.
>
> > =A0 Really now. I just tried it, and it didn't work at all.
> > =A0 On beginner level, as White, it played 1.e3 e5 2.h3 d5 3.d4. Not
> > exactly state-of-the-art opening play. It took about 3 minutes to get
> > that far, even though 10-20 seconds per move was advertised. Then it
> > refused to allow me to move. I tried to play 3...e4, but nothing
> > happened. So much for being bug-free.
>
> Not a single bug was found. Everything is correct at GetClub end. 5
> Games have been played with no error So It is high chances your
> internet connection broke at the time you moved.
>
> Nothing to worry about, You can complete the game
> by re-login at.http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
>
> As your game is recorded you can start from where you left.
>
> Try using minimum Browsers and programs when playing Chess.
>
> Bye
> Sanny
>
> Play Chess at.http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
Oh, my God.
I just tried out this sorry excuse for a program. On easy (beginner)
level, here are the moves. I played White:
1. e4 e5
2. Nf3 Bd6
3. d4 exd4
4. Qxd4 Bf8
At this point, I was laughing so hard I had to simply quit the game.
This type of play is what Sanny says is 2200+ strength.
Bwwwaaaahhaaahhaaaaa!!
Not only does the play of the program suck, the interface is
horrible! Clashing, ugly colors provide a visual nightmare, while
Sanny has seen fit to add the most ridiculous sound effects
imaginable. Playing this program is like looking at an old video game
representation of a car race.
How sad. Don't bother with this piece of shit program. Sanny should
be ashamed of himself.
'nuff said.
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Date: 31 Aug 2008 08:50:04
From: J.D. Walker
Subject: Re: No Bug found. Its network error.
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[email protected] wrote:
> On Aug 31, 11:14 am, Sanny <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> I think all Bugs have gone out to party. So We can enjoy playing Chess
>>>> at GetClub without Bugs.
>>> Really now. I just tried it, and it didn't work at all.
>>> On beginner level, as White, it played 1.e3 e5 2.h3 d5 3.d4. Not
>>> exactly state-of-the-art opening play. It took about 3 minutes to get
>>> that far, even though 10-20 seconds per move was advertised. Then it
>>> refused to allow me to move. I tried to play 3...e4, but nothing
>>> happened. So much for being bug-free.
>> Not a single bug was found. Everything is correct at GetClub end. 5
>> Games have been played with no error So It is high chances your
>> internet connection broke at the time you moved.
>>
>> Nothing to worry about, You can complete the game
>> by re-login at.http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
>>
>> As your game is recorded you can start from where you left.
>>
>> Try using minimum Browsers and programs when playing Chess.
>>
>> Bye
>> Sanny
>>
>> Play Chess at.http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
>
> Oh, my God.
>
> I just tried out this sorry excuse for a program. On easy (beginner)
> level, here are the moves. I played White:
>
> 1. e4 e5
> 2. Nf3 Bd6
> 3. d4 exd4
> 4. Qxd4 Bf8
>
> At this point, I was laughing so hard I had to simply quit the game.
> This type of play is what Sanny says is 2200+ strength.
> Bwwwaaaahhaaahhaaaaa!!
>
> Not only does the play of the program suck, the interface is
> horrible! Clashing, ugly colors provide a visual nightmare, while
> Sanny has seen fit to add the most ridiculous sound effects
> imaginable. Playing this program is like looking at an old video game
> representation of a car race.
>
> How sad. Don't bother with this piece of shit program. Sanny should
> be ashamed of himself.
>
> 'nuff said.
Mike,
Be careful now. Do not be deluded by plain facts and rude spam. Sanny
is on to something here. I believe that GetClub IS a network error.
--
"Do that which is right..."
Rev. J.D. Walker
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Date: 31 Aug 2008 08:14:18
From: Sanny
Subject: No Bug found. Its network error.
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> > I think all Bugs have gone out to party. So We can enjoy playing Chess
> > at GetClub without Bugs.
>
> =A0 Really now. I just tried it, and it didn't work at all.
> =A0 On beginner level, as White, it played 1.e3 e5 2.h3 d5 3.d4. Not
> exactly state-of-the-art opening play. It took about 3 minutes to get
> that far, even though 10-20 seconds per move was advertised. Then it
> refused to allow me to move. I tried to play 3...e4, but nothing
> happened. So much for being bug-free.
Not a single bug was found. Everything is correct at GetClub end. 5
Games have been played with no error So It is high chances your
internet connection broke at the time you moved.
Nothing to worry about, You can complete the game
by re-login at. http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
As your game is recorded you can start from where you left.
Try using minimum Browsers and programs when playing Chess.
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at. http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 31 Aug 2008 16:47:48
From: Simon Krahnke
Subject: Re: GetClub Chess Stronger than ever !!!
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* help bot <[email protected] > (06:30) schrieb:
> Sanny, why not reduce the number of these
> "errors" by instructing the Java applet to not
> hog all the resources? That way, users can
> play chess and still do other things in the
> background (i.e. multitasking) while the
> program thinks. A reduction from 99% to
> just a 90% hog-fest could potentially solve
> most of these problems.
No, the engine needs to get the resources it can, it's no good to leave
the processor idle even part of the time. The right way to address the
issue of slowing down all the other programs is to give the thread that
does the searching low priority.
That's what my program does: The processor is always at 100%, but the
other programs including the non-searching part of my program are
responsive. I can play a video from the Internet while analyzing some
chess position.
mfg, simon .... l
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Date: 30 Aug 2008 22:42:34
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: GetClub Chess Stronger than ever !!!
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> >Chessis a resource hungry program So it needs more resources. Try
> > again after restarting your browser. And close other programs So that
> > it works fast.
>
> =A0 Sanny, why not reduce the number of these
> "errors" by instructing the Java applet to not
> hog all the resources? =A0That way, users can
> playchessand still do other things in the
> background (i.e. multitasking) while the
> program thinks. =A0A reduction from 99% to
> just a 90% hog-fest could potentially solve
> most of these problems.
If one has dual processor then he can do two works together. As
GetClub will use only 1 processor and other processor can be used for
all other works.
GetClub Chess atleast needs 1 processor power to play.
Glad to Intel they are producing Dual & Quad Processors. Soon they
will bring out 6 Processor Computer too.
Scrulltrail will have 12 Processors. So On these huge computers one
can think of doing 10 tasks simultaniously.
But if you have a single core processor you should do one task at a
time.
Either play or do other works.
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 30 Aug 2008 22:38:59
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: GetClub Chess Stronger than ever !!!
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> > =A0 I notice that the supposed #1 player is the Advanced Level, rated
> > 2400. And yet it has a won-lost record of +2 -51. Strange rating
> > calculations you use, Sanny.
>
> =A0 What strikes me as odd is the fact that the #2
> ranked player, Zeb, has a few losses. =A0Anyone
> can see that he is using anotherchessengine,
> so how did he ever manage to lose even a
> single game to GC? =A0It boggles the mind.
He lost 2 games against Advanced Level as Advance was taking 5 hours
for a move. So to discontinue the game He Resigned Twice.
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 30 Aug 2008 21:30:42
From: help bot
Subject: Re: GetClub Chess Stronger than ever !!!
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On Aug 30, 12:31=A0pm, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:
> It happens sometimes that Internet connection breaks.
You can say that again. I have had more
of these mysterious "breaks" while playing
at GC, than at any other time.
> I find it do not play the opening moves too. As Opening is played in
> "0" seconds while it was thinking for 12 seconds. This means you have
> lots of web pages / programs open. Or you have not shut down your
> computer after long hours of work.
>
> Chess is a resource hungry program So it needs more resources. Try
> again after restarting your browser. And close other programs So that
> it works fast.
Sanny, why not reduce the number of these
"errors" by instructing the Java applet to not
hog all the resources? That way, users can
play chess and still do other things in the
background (i.e. multitasking) while the
program thinks. A reduction from 99% to
just a 90% hog-fest could potentially solve
most of these problems.
Trust me-- the program's strength is not
going to be affected much, either way.
-- help bot
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Date: 30 Aug 2008 21:25:07
From: help bot
Subject: Re: GetClub Chess Stronger than ever !!!
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On Aug 30, 12:14=A0pm, [email protected] wrote:
> On Aug 30, 11:53=A0am, Sanny <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Now, GetClub Chess is playing tremendously strong games.
> > I played against Rybka & Jester and found it has no error now.
> > Play Chess at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
> > I think all Bugs have gone out to party. So We can enjoy playing Chess
> > at GetClub without Bugs.
> =A0 Really now. I just tried it, and it didn't work at all.
As my old friend P.T. Barnum used to say:
"There's a sucker born every minute!"
> > Now GetClub is so strong that I do not think anyone will ask me to
> > improve it further.
>
> =A0 Of course. Why extend a record of abject failure?
>
> > So play a game and test for yourself how it is playing now. Tell me
> > how you find the strength of GetClub.
>
> =A0 On beginner level, as White, it played 1.e3 e5 2.h3 d5 3.d4. Not
> exactly state-of-the-art opening play. It took about 3 minutes to get
> that far, even though 10-20 seconds per move was advertised. Then it
> refused to allow me to move. I tried to play 3...e4, but nothing
> happened. So much for being bug-free.
>
> > New Ratings for GetClub Levels are:-
>
> > Beginner: 2200+
> > Easy: 2300+
> > Normal: 2400+
>
> =A0 I notice that the supposed #1 player is the Advanced Level, rated
> 2400. And yet it has a won-lost record of +2 -51. Strange rating
> calculations you use, Sanny.
What strikes me as odd is the fact that the #2
ranked player, Zeb, has a few losses. Anyone
can see that he is using another chess engine,
so how did he ever manage to lose even a
single game to GC? It boggles the mind.
As for me, I can't seem to finish a game
against anything higher than the Normal (aka
"Notmal") level, because the program locks up
when it is about to be checkmated on the top
levels. Thus, my rating improvements are
restricted. Here are my new ratings:
help bot
-------------
Beginner 1500
Easy 1700
Normal 1900
Lucky 2100
Very lucky 2200
Note that my "very lucky" level depends
almost entirely on my opponent; will he,
say, hang his Queen, before I can find
some way to drop a piece? Don't laugh--
many famous grandmasters have lost in
fewer than fifteen moves, for similar
reasons.
-- help bot
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Date: 31 Aug 2008 00:45:15
From: Simon Krahnke
Subject: Re: GetClub Chess Stronger than ever !!!
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* Sanny <[email protected] > (18:31) schrieb:
> It happens sometimes that Internet connection breaks.
Yes, things like that happen. A program knows this probably happened
when it can't talk to its server any more. It should display an error
message to the user and ask what to do.
mfg, simon .... l
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Date: 30 Aug 2008 09:31:54
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: GetClub Chess Stronger than ever !!!
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> > Looks like your Internet Connection failiure
>
> =A0 No, there was no connection failure. The failure is in your program.
>
> > Next time you start it will start from the next move.
Try once and let me know.
It happens sometimes that Internet connection breaks.
I find it do not play the opening moves too. As Opening is played in
"0" seconds while it was thinking for 12 seconds. This means you have
lots of web pages / programs open. Or you have not shut down your
computer after long hours of work.
Chess is a resource hungry program So it needs more resources. Try
again after restarting your browser. And close other programs So that
it works fast.
If you say I will remove this game from the database. So that you may
start a new game.
Bye
Sanny
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Date: 30 Aug 2008 09:25:42
From:
Subject: Re: GetClub Chess Stronger than ever !!!
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On Aug 30, 12:20=A0pm, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:
> > > I think all Bugs have gone out to party. So We can enjoy playing Ches=
s
> > > at GetClub without Bugs.
>
> > =A0 Really now. I just tried it, and it didn't work at all.
>
> How can that happen I just played against Jester 2 min back.
> You can see the recorded games played just now.
>
> http://www.getclub.com/cc/showgame.php?num=3D10
>
> > > Now GetClub is so strong that I do not think anyone will ask me to
> > > improve it further.
>
> > =A0 Of course. Why extend a record of abject failure?
>
> > > So play a game and test for yourself how it is playing now. Tell me
> > > how you find the strength of GetClub.
>
> > =A0 On beginner level, as White, it played 1.e3 e5 2.h3 d5 3.d4. Not
> > exactly state-of-the-art opening play. It took about 3 minutes to get
> > that far, even though 10-20 seconds per move was advertised. Then it
> > refused to allow me to move. I tried to play 3...e4, but nothing
> > happened. So much for being bug-free.
>
> Looks like your Internet Connection failiure
No, there was no connection failure. The failure is in your program.
> Next time you start it will start from the next move.
I doubt I will waste the time.
> If any problem persist let me know.
The main problem is your persistent spamming.
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Date: 30 Aug 2008 09:20:08
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: GetClub Chess Stronger than ever !!!
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> > I think all Bugs have gone out to party. So We can enjoy playing Chess
> > at GetClub without Bugs.
>
> =A0 Really now. I just tried it, and it didn't work at all.
How can that happen I just played against Jester 2 min back.
You can see the recorded games played just now.
http://www.getclub.com/cc/showgame.php?num=3D10
> > Now GetClub is so strong that I do not think anyone will ask me to
> > improve it further.
>
> =A0 Of course. Why extend a record of abject failure?
>
> > So play a game and test for yourself how it is playing now. Tell me
> > how you find the strength of GetClub.
>
> =A0 On beginner level, as White, it played 1.e3 e5 2.h3 d5 3.d4. Not
> exactly state-of-the-art opening play. It took about 3 minutes to get
> that far, even though 10-20 seconds per move was advertised. Then it
> refused to allow me to move. I tried to play 3...e4, but nothing
> happened. So much for being bug-free.
Looks like your Internet Connection failiure You can always restart a
game as the game is recorded.
Next time you start it will start from the next move.
If any problem persist let me know.
Thanks
Sanny
Play Chess at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 30 Aug 2008 09:14:46
From:
Subject: Re: GetClub Chess Stronger than ever !!!
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On Aug 30, 11:53=A0am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:
> Now, GetClub Chess is playing tremendously strong games.
>
> I played against Rybka & Jester and found it has no error now.
>
> Play Chess at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
>
> I think all Bugs have gone out to party. So We can enjoy playing Chess
> at GetClub without Bugs.
Really now. I just tried it, and it didn't work at all.
> Now GetClub is so strong that I do not think anyone will ask me to
> improve it further.
Of course. Why extend a record of abject failure?
> So play a game and test for yourself how it is playing now. Tell me
> how you find the strength of GetClub.
On beginner level, as White, it played 1.e3 e5 2.h3 d5 3.d4. Not
exactly state-of-the-art opening play. It took about 3 minutes to get
that far, even though 10-20 seconds per move was advertised. Then it
refused to allow me to move. I tried to play 3...e4, but nothing
happened. So much for being bug-free.
> New Ratings for GetClub Levels are:-
>
> Beginner: 2200+
> Easy: 2300+
> Normal: 2400+
I notice that the supposed #1 player is the Advanced Level, rated
2400. And yet it has a won-lost record of +2 -51. Strange rating
calculations you use, Sanny.
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Date: 30 Aug 2008 14:06:50
From: Kenneth Sloan
Subject: Re: GetClub Chess Stronger than ever !!!
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[email protected] wrote:
> On Aug 30, 11:53 am, Sanny <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Now, GetClub Chess is playing tremendously strong games.
>>
>> I played against Rybka & Jester and found it has no error now.
>>
>> Play Chess at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
>>
>> I think all Bugs have gone out to party. So We can enjoy playing Chess
>> at GetClub without Bugs.
>
> Really now. I just tried it, and it didn't work at all.
>
>> Now GetClub is so strong that I do not think anyone will ask me to
>> improve it further.
>
> Of course. Why extend a record of abject failure?
>
>> So play a game and test for yourself how it is playing now. Tell me
>> how you find the strength of GetClub.
>
> On beginner level, as White, it played 1.e3 e5 2.h3 d5 3.d4. Not
> exactly state-of-the-art opening play. It took about 3 minutes to get
> that far, even though 10-20 seconds per move was advertised. Then it
> refused to allow me to move. I tried to play 3...e4, but nothing
> happened. So much for being bug-free.
>
FLAG! YOU LOSE!
GETCLUB CHESS YOU LONG TIME!
--
Kenneth Sloan [email protected]
Computer and Information Sciences +1-205-932-2213
University of Alabama at Birmingham FAX +1-205-934-5473
Birmingham, AL 35294-1170 http://KennethRSloan.com/
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Date: 30 Aug 2008 09:00:42
From: J.D. Walker
Subject: Re: GetClub Chess Stronger than ever !!!
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Sanny wrote:
<snip >
> Even Help Bot will find Beginner playing very strong. But Help Bot
> increases his strength just like GetClub. So I think Help Bot can
> still beat the Beginner & Easy Levels.
Indeed. Help Blot has eliminated two of his errors and is now twice
stronger twice! I do not think anyone can beat Help Blot now. If you
are Kasparov, try him at Easy level.
> Start with Beginner then go and play with Easy if you succeed.
<snip >
>
> Bye
> Sanny
--
"Do that which is right..."
Rev. J.D. Walker
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Date: 06 Sep 2008 15:39:01
From: Tobias Heidelmann
Subject: Re: GetClub Chess Stronger than ever !!!
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J.D. Walker schrieb:
> Sanny wrote:
>
> <snip>
>> Even Help Bot will find Beginner playing very strong. But Help Bot
>> increases his strength just like GetClub. So I think Help Bot can
>> still beat the Beginner & Easy Levels.
>
> Indeed. Help Blot has eliminated two of his errors and is now twice
> stronger twice! I do not think anyone can beat Help Blot now. If you
> are Kasparov, try him at Easy level.
ROFL!!!!!!!!!!
Dude, thats funny.
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