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Date: 27 Jul 2006 10:35:20
From: Borked Pseudo Mailed
Subject: Ensuring Sam Sloan does not get to sit on the EB
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Dysfunctional an organization as it is, the USCF with Sam Sloan anywhere
remotely near the helm is a PR disaster of unprecedented proportions. It
might as well shut down, pay Beatriz's kidney fund and all the staff all
the cash to keep them out of Sloan's clutches, and hand over the Crossville
keys to playchess, chessbase, ICC, FIDE - anyone but Sam.
But I believe that there are some legal ways to stop Sam occupying a
position on the EB.
They relate to his character as can be adduced from his past conduct, here
and abroad, and his websites.
I am preparing a dossier for submission to most members of a certain USCF
committee. You know which one. However, I am told by my friends on the
board that some of their fellow-members won't want to be seen as
interfering in the democratic verdict / process, and the requisite majority
won't be got unless the doubters are persuaded.
The best way to get the doubters to see it our way is to mount a press
awareness campaign. Let the general public, chess-playing or not, see what
Sam Sloan has done, has written, what he is really like.
I predict that, handled properly, this could get to the Post or the Times -
as well as Slate, which may count for more.
Please answer with details (preferably including URLs or Google post
references) of evidence of Sam's worst activities. Worst, in your opinion.
Prior to the results being declared -- once we had an inkling he might get
a seat -- we used a webspider and mirrored his whole website. But finding
anything in there isn't easy.
I keep hearing about boasts or admissions of having sexual intercourse with
underage (underage in the territory where he had sex with them, at the time
he had sex with them) girls - but I need specifics (URLs/messages).
Stuff like that should be enough to nail the wicked fucker once and for
all. The shockwaves might even get the FBI off their asses and arrest him,
which will directly solve the problem.
If you don't want to answer on the board, I've set up an email addy at
mailto:[email protected] which you can use. Your email and identity will be
kept confidential, though the information you disclose may not.
If you are one of those I phoned, please don't reply here as we don't want
identities revealed until the job is done.
Please help me stop Sam.
"Mister X."
A thing that came out from one of my discussions - your poster "jr" is not
GM Larry Evans, as I read. Instead it is definitely and certainly the fired
and discredited ex-editor Larry Parr. Parr sent an email to someone at the
federation with the same IP (207.200.11?.???) as is used for the "jr"
posts. Parr must have forgotten he was still on aol when he emailed - he
normally uses his compuserve ID for everything except his anonymous
schtuff. aol and compuserve are two sides of the same coin - if Larry
wasn't so dumb and cheap he would have used a better way to conceal his
anonymous crap.
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Date: 29 Jul 2006 07:21:50
From: Taylor Kingston
Subject: Re: Ensuring Sam Sloan does not get to sit on the EB
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Fred Lucite wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 at 10:36 -0700, Taylor Kingston scribbled:
> ->... back when I lived in the Midwest 1988-92, the two main local
> ->area chess organizers were both convicted felons -- one for homo-
> ->sexual child molestation, one for forging prescriptions, if I re-
> ->call correctly. Both cases, especially the former, got coverage in
> ->the mainstream press. But among chess players, nobody much gave a
> ->damn, they just wanted to play chess.
>
> Say, Taylor, allow me to hasten to clarify what you're NOT refer-
> ring to! You're NOT referring to Cincinnati!!! Even tho Cincinnati
> -- and Ohio -- are definitely and unquestionably considered as part
> of the "Midwest" (and once again proved their Bible Belt status in
> the 2004 presidential election), good ol' Cen-sor-nati is NOT where
> you were in 1988-92. You didn't move to the Cincinnati area until
> 1992.
Yes, true, I was not referring to Cincinnati. But while Ohio is a
Midwest state, I'm not sure if the Ohio town I lived in 1992-95,
Hamilton, should be considered Midwest or border-state South. Its
citizens were often referred to as Hamiltuckians. Actually, I don't
think Hamilton really belongs in any region except Nowhere.
> The description you give of the chessplayers fits Cincinnati per-
> fectly, of course. The chessplayers have almost never cared about
> anything except playing chess. (Aren't all chessplayers like that?)
> But as far as I'm aware there have never been any major chess
> organizers in Cincinnati who were convicted of any felonies.
I guess that's why none of them have ever attained high office in
FIDE.
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Date: 28 Jul 2006 23:49:05
From: Fred Lucite
Subject: Re: Ensuring Sam Sloan does not get to sit on the EB
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On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 at 10:36 -0700, Taylor Kingston scribbled:
- >... back when I lived in the Midwest 1988-92, the two main local
- >area chess organizers were both convicted felons -- one for homo-
- >sexual child molestation, one for forging prescriptions, if I re-
- >call correctly. Both cases, especially the former, got coverage in
- >the mainstream press. But among chess players, nobody much gave a
- >damn, they just wanted to play chess.
Say, Taylor, allow me to hasten to clarify what you're NOT refer-
ring to! You're NOT referring to Cincinnati!!! Even tho Cincinnati
-- and Ohio -- are definitely and unquestionably considered as part
of the "Midwest" (and once again proved their Bible Belt status in
the 2004 presidential election), good ol' Cen-sor-nati is NOT where
you were in 1988-92. You didn't move to the Cincinnati area until
1992. The place you're referring to above is some 341 miles west of
Cincinnati. It's also in the National League and is called a gate-
way to somewhere or other, but it ain't Cincinnati!
The description you give of the chessplayers fits Cincinnati per-
fectly, of course. The chessplayers have almost never cared about
anything except playing chess. (Aren't all chessplayers like that?)
But as far as I'm aware there have never been any major chess
organizers in Cincinnati who were convicted of any felonies.
--
>>>----------------------------------------------<<<
>>> david moeser -- erasmus39 on yahoo <<<
>>> Censornati, Ohio - USA <<<
>>>----------------------------------------------<<<
* If Saddam Hussein had remained in power he likely would've *
* invaded Iran by now, at no cost to the American taxpayer! *
P.S. So what about the name on USCF's suspended list? Well, should
the term "major" or "main local organizer" be applied to that per-
son? For the sake of brevity, let's just say no. Then there's the
Miamisburg case but that was a misdemeanor. In sumy and in brief,
other incidents were either settled or not pursued. So my statement
stands.
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Date: 28 Jul 2006 20:20:26
From: Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (wlod)
Subject: Re: Ensuring Sam Sloan does not get to sit on the EB
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Borked Pseudo Mailed wrote:
> So Parr has an AOL account as well
> as a Compuserve one. A little unusual.
Not at all.
And there is nothing wrong with "unusual",
just as there is nothing special about
"common". For instance, the anonymous
cowards like you become almost a norm,
but there is nothing good about anonymous
Internet cowards. Get lost.
Wlod
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Date: 28 Jul 2006 18:04:19
From: Scott
Subject: Re: Ensuring Sam Sloan does not get to sit on the EB
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Paul Rubin wrote:
> Borked Pseudo Mailed <[email protected]> writes:
> > A thing that came out from one of my discussions - your poster "jr" is not
> > GM Larry Evans, as I read. Instead it is definitely and certainly the fired
> > and discredited ex-editor Larry Parr. Parr sent an email to someone at the
> > federation with the same IP (207.200.11?.???) as is used for the "jr"
> > posts. Parr must have forgotten he was still on aol when he emailed - he
> > normally uses his compuserve ID for everything except his anonymous
> > schtuff.
>
> AOL proxies most of its traffic through a handful of IP addresses.
> This is a big annoyance for web site operators in general. All we
> know from the above is that jr and Parr are both AOL users. We can't
> tell if they're the same AOL user.
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Date: 28 Jul 2006 13:53:05
From: Ray Gordon
Subject: Re: Ensuring Sam Sloan does not get to sit on the EB
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> I predict that, handled properly, this could get to the Post or the
> Times -
> as well as Slate, which may count for more.
And my rebuttal dossier will follow within seconds.
A chess federation that hires a relative of a known organized crime figure
is in a very precarious position to be talking about morality on its board,
but feel free to see what the public thinks.
--
"Google maintains the USENET." -- The Honorable R. Barclay Surrick, Eastern
District of PA Judge
From Parker v. Google, E.D.Pa. #04-cv-3918
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Date: 27 Jul 2006 20:50:05
From: Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (wlod)
Subject: either Chess or the USCF nonsense, not both / Re: Ensuring Sam Sloan ...
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Borked Pseudo Mailed wrote:
> [garbage]
Only a borked idiot may care.
Why? Sam and USCF deserve each other!
Let Sam be on USCF EB to the last days
of USCF, who cares!
It's time for serious people to seriously
promote chess OUTSIDE that USCF.
A centralised, bureaucratic (superficially
multi-purpose) organization like USCF
is bound to attract to its top the people
like Schultz, tinello, Sloan..., it's
in the very nature of such corrupted
organizations, nobody can change it.
(You can't change the laws of Nature).
Both Alburt and Dlugy tried but of course
without any success. They were doomed.
Purely amateur chess movement is
taking place already in bars, bookstores,
coffee places, parks... AND on the
Internetr servers.
It should be complemented by
a chess competitive movement,
where results are of some importance
and can be supervised/verified.
I mentioned earlier that chess centers
may provide a foundation for the
decentralised higher level chess movement
and activities.
Actually, they can be just a minor item of
something a zillion times more important
than chess, The chess centers can be developed
on the gin of the EdRooms -- the new,
business way of providing common education
from kindergartens to colleges, including
professional courses, etc.
====
Wlod
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Date: 27 Jul 2006 12:02:54
From: Paul Rubin
Subject: Re: Ensuring Sam Sloan does not get to sit on the EB
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Borked Pseudo Mailed <[email protected] > writes:
> A thing that came out from one of my discussions - your poster "jr" is not
> GM Larry Evans, as I read. Instead it is definitely and certainly the fired
> and discredited ex-editor Larry Parr. Parr sent an email to someone at the
> federation with the same IP (207.200.11?.???) as is used for the "jr"
> posts. Parr must have forgotten he was still on aol when he emailed - he
> normally uses his compuserve ID for everything except his anonymous
> schtuff.
AOL proxies most of its traffic through a handful of IP addresses.
This is a big annoyance for web site operators in general. All we
know from the above is that jr and Parr are both AOL users. We can't
tell if they're the same AOL user.
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Date: 27 Jul 2006 10:36:07
From: Taylor Kingston
Subject: Re: Ensuring Sam Sloan does not get to sit on the EB
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Borked Pseudo Mailed wrote:
> Dysfunctional an organization as it is, the USCF with Sam Sloan anywhere
> remotely near the helm is a PR disaster of unprecedented proportions. It
> might as well shut down, pay Beatriz's kidney fund and all the staff all
> the cash to keep them out of Sloan's clutches, and hand over the Crossville
> keys to playchess, chessbase, ICC, FIDE - anyone but Sam.
>
> But I believe that there are some legal ways to stop Sam occupying a
> position on the EB.
It's well known I'm no fan of Sloan, but as far as I know he was
legally elected. Therefore I don't see how any legal means could be
used to prevent him taking his seat.
> They relate to his character as can be adduced from his past conduct, here
> and abroad, and his websites.
>
> I am preparing a dossier for submission to most members of a certain USCF
> committee. You know which one. However, I am told by my friends on the
> board that some of their fellow-members won't want to be seen as
> interfering in the democratic verdict / process, and the requisite majority
> won't be got unless the doubters are persuaded.
>
> The best way to get the doubters to see it our way is to mount a press
> awareness campaign. Let the general public, chess-playing or not, see what
> Sam Sloan has done, has written, what he is really like.
This is not legal action, this is simply an attempt to shall
public opinion. The time for that was before the ballots were counted,
not after. Doing it now is simply closing the barn door after the horse
is gone.
> I predict that, handled properly, this could get to the Post or the Times -
> as well as Slate, which may count for more.
Dream on. And history indicates it would hardly be worth the trouble.
As an example, back when I lived in the Midwest 1988-92, the two main
local area chess organizers were both convicted felons -- one for
homosexual child molestation, one for forging prescriptions, if I
recall correctly. Both cases, especially the former, got coverage in
the mainstream press. But among chess players, nobody much gave a damn,
they just wanted to play chess.
> Please answer with details (preferably including URLs or Google post
> references) of evidence of Sam's worst activities. Worst, in your opinion.
> Prior to the results being declared -- once we had an inkling he might get
> a seat -- we used a webspider and mirrored his whole website. But finding
> anything in there isn't easy.
> I keep hearing about boasts or admissions of having sexual intercourse with
> underage (underage in the territory where he had sex with them, at the time
> he had sex with them) girls - but I need specifics (URLs/messages).
>
> Stuff like that should be enough to nail the wicked fucker once and for
> all. The shockwaves might even get the FBI off their asses and arrest him,
> which will directly solve the problem.
While Sloan's web-site and newsgroup posts have contained many
offensive things, I don't think any constituted violations of federal
law.
> If you don't want to answer on the board, I've set up an email addy at
> mailto:[email protected] which you can use. Your email and identity will be
> kept confidential, though the information you disclose may not.
>
> If you are one of those I phoned, please don't reply here as we don't want
> identities revealed until the job is done.
>
> Please help me stop Sam.
>
> "Mister X."
> A thing that came out from one of my discussions - your poster "jr" is not
> GM Larry Evans, as I read. Instead it is definitely and certainly the fired
> and discredited ex-editor Larry Parr. Parr sent an email to someone at the
> federation with the same IP (207.200.11?.???) as is used for the "jr"
> posts. Parr must have forgotten he was still on aol when he emailed - he
> normally uses his compuserve ID for everything except his anonymous
> schtuff. aol and compuserve are two sides of the same coin - if Larry
> wasn't so dumb and cheap he would have used a better way to conceal his
> anonymous crap.
Are you talking about NNTP-posting-host number? I believe it's been
pointed out several times here that it is not necessarily any indicator
that two screen names belong to the same account. While I have long
suspected the sort of thing you allege, I don't think this constitutes
any proof.
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Date: 28 Jul 2006 17:28:10
From: Borked Pseudo Mailed
Subject: Re: Ensuring Sam Sloan does not get to sit on the EB
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Taylor Kingston wrote...
>Borked Pseudo Mailed wrote:
>>A thing that came out from one of my discussions- your poster "jr" is not
>>GM Larry Evans, as I read.Instead it is definitely and certainly the fired
>>and discredited ex-editor Larry Parr. Parr sent an email to someone at the
>>federation with the same IP (207.200.11?.???) as is used for the "jr"
>>posts. Parr must have forgotten he was still on aol when he emailed - he
>>normally uses his compuserve ID for everything except his anonymous
>>schtuff. aol and compuserve are two sides of the same coin - if Larry
>>wasn't so dumb and cheap he would have used a better way to conceal his
>>anonymous crap.
>
> Are you talking about NNTP-posting-host number? I believe it's been
>pointed out several times here that it is not necessarily any indicator
>that two screen names belong to the same account. While I have long
>suspected the sort of thing you allege, I don't think this constitutes
>any proof.
I know that, but you may be missing at least part of the point.
In anything I saw that Liarry (as folk seem to call him) signs his moniker
to, the account used is a Compuserve one. All his normal emails and
Internet postings show a Compuserve email address.
But that email to the fed, from him and signed by him, showed an email
address @aol.com for him.
While AOL and Compuserve are owned by the same folk, you either join one or
the other.
So Parr has an AOL account as well as a Compuserve one. A little unusual.
And "jr" posts in rgcp exclusively from AOL, and parrthenon exclusively
from Compuserve.
Now, you are more with me.
"Mister X."
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Date: 27 Jul 2006 10:09:40
From:
Subject: Re: Ensuring Sam Sloan does not get to sit on the EB
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This shows how unproductive and petty you people can be; it may be a
contributing factor to the sorry state of affairs within the USCF.
You mean to say that you are willing to waste your time and money on
this, all because 1 board member you don't like was elected?
You guys really need to focus on chess.
Borked Pseudo Mailed wrote:
> Dysfunctional an organization as it is, the USCF with Sam Sloan anywhere
> remotely near the helm is a PR disaster of unprecedented proportions. It
> might as well shut down, pay Beatriz's kidney fund and all the staff all
> the cash to keep them out of Sloan's clutches, and hand over the Crossville
> keys to playchess, chessbase, ICC, FIDE - anyone but Sam.
>
> But I believe that there are some legal ways to stop Sam occupying a
> position on the EB.
>
> They relate to his character as can be adduced from his past conduct, here
> and abroad, and his websites.
>
> I am preparing a dossier for submission to most members of a certain USCF
> committee. You know which one. However, I am told by my friends on the
> board that some of their fellow-members won't want to be seen as
> interfering in the democratic verdict / process, and the requisite majority
> won't be got unless the doubters are persuaded.
>
> The best way to get the doubters to see it our way is to mount a press
> awareness campaign. Let the general public, chess-playing or not, see what
> Sam Sloan has done, has written, what he is really like.
>
> I predict that, handled properly, this could get to the Post or the Times -
> as well as Slate, which may count for more.
>
> Please answer with details (preferably including URLs or Google post
> references) of evidence of Sam's worst activities. Worst, in your opinion.
> Prior to the results being declared -- once we had an inkling he might get
> a seat -- we used a webspider and mirrored his whole website. But finding
> anything in there isn't easy.
>
> I keep hearing about boasts or admissions of having sexual intercourse with
> underage (underage in the territory where he had sex with them, at the time
> he had sex with them) girls - but I need specifics (URLs/messages).
>
> Stuff like that should be enough to nail the wicked fucker once and for
> all. The shockwaves might even get the FBI off their asses and arrest him,
> which will directly solve the problem.
>
> If you don't want to answer on the board, I've set up an email addy at
> mailto:[email protected] which you can use. Your email and identity will be
> kept confidential, though the information you disclose may not.
>
> If you are one of those I phoned, please don't reply here as we don't want
> identities revealed until the job is done.
>
> Please help me stop Sam.
>
> "Mister X."
> A thing that came out from one of my discussions - your poster "jr" is not
> GM Larry Evans, as I read. Instead it is definitely and certainly the fired
> and discredited ex-editor Larry Parr. Parr sent an email to someone at the
> federation with the same IP (207.200.11?.???) as is used for the "jr"
> posts. Parr must have forgotten he was still on aol when he emailed - he
> normally uses his compuserve ID for everything except his anonymous
> schtuff. aol and compuserve are two sides of the same coin - if Larry
> wasn't so dumb and cheap he would have used a better way to conceal his
> anonymous crap.
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