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Date: 07 May 2008 00:01:48
From: Sanny
Subject: ChessMaster earn $100 Million, How can GetClub earn that much
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I found 5 Million Copies of Chess Master has been Sold and it Costs
$19.95.
So ChessMaster Creator has earned $100 Million Dollars.
Look here: http://www.game-remakes.com/game.php?id=126
Chess Master Sold 5 Million Copies for $19.95 each !!!
How much good is ChessMaster to GetClub?
Can GetClub Chess sell 5 Million Copies????
Please Help If I earn $100 Million Dollars, I will shell out a lot of
money to those who help me.
When you play ChessMaster and GetClub whats the Difference?
If Chess Master Thinks for 10 sec/ move will it be able to beat the
GetClubs Normal Level?.
$100 Million Dollar is a lot of money hey tell my How to sell 5
Million Copies of GetClub Chess.
Please Suggest me, may be I give all the money you can dream of. Just
tell me how to sell 5 Million copies of GetClub Chess. Thats a great
Business !!!
Is there good Market for GetClub Chess???? Why Can't GetClub do what
ChessMaster did thats a 100 Million Dollar Question....
Bye
Sanny
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Date: 19 May 2008 09:44:09
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: ChessMaster earn $100 Million, How can GetClub earn that much
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On May 19, 5:51=A0pm, "ave" <[email protected] > wrote:
> > So Cost of designing GetClub Chess is also arround $750,000.
> > How earn the money I have spent in designing it is a big question.
>
> If you wanted to earn that money back, you should have answered that
> question *before* you spent the money, imho.
>
> From what I can tell, your first step in earning money back, at this point=
,
> is to hire a *professional* webdesigner to give the GetClub website and
> complete and utter overhaul. No way will you pass off as a professional
> chess program with the current webdesign.
>
> That's just a first step, I could recommend more. But without that step it=
's
> all fairly pointless imho.
>
> ave
What modifications are you looking for?
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 20 May 2008 11:12:04
From: ave
Subject: Re: ChessMaster earn $100 Million, How can GetClub earn that much
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> What modifications are you looking for?
As I said in my previous post, a professionally produced website.
If I did a website for a chess game, it would suck horribly, because I'm not
artistically inclined and it would be done in a way I would think it should
be done. So it wouldn't really appeal to the masses. However, it would still
be better than the current GetClub site.
I am not going to tell you what I would change, if you hire a good,
professional, web-designer they will discuss, design, suggest and plan all
you would want. They will make it look cool, fun and far better than you
could do in responce to some newgroup suggestions. That is what I'd be
looking for, professionalism.
ave
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Date: 14 May 2008 22:41:12
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: ChessMaster earn $100 Million, How can GetClub earn that much
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On May 15, 12:33=A0am, [email protected] wrote:
> On May 10, 5:16=A0pm, Morten Skarstad <`whoami`@localhost> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I don't think you're getting the point about CM, or any other commercial=
> >chessproduct for that matter. First, CM is not made by one "creator",
> > but by a team of multiple programmers, where one is dedicated to the
> > engine alone, various designers, testers, not to mention no less than
> > five GMs giving tutorials and advice.
>
> > And even if I could sell the work of one man for five million dollars I
> > would be off and do it myself, not tell you how to do it :p- Hide quoted=
text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Indeed. It takes money to make money.
>
> If I remember correctly, the typical cost of the development and
> marketing of one version of Chessmaster was around $750,000. That was
> for CM8 and CM9, so the numbers might be bigger (or smaller) now --
> but not by much.
>
> jm
So Cost of designing GetClub Chess is also arround $750,000. How earn
the money I have spent in designing it is a big question.
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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From: Martin Brown
Subject: Re: ChessMaster earn $100 Million, How can GetClub earn that much
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Date: 19 May 2008 13:51:52
From: ave
Subject: Re: ChessMaster earn $100 Million, How can GetClub earn that much
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> So Cost of designing GetClub Chess is also arround $750,000.
> How earn the money I have spent in designing it is a big question.
If you wanted to earn that money back, you should have answered that
question *before* you spent the money, imho.
From what I can tell, your first step in earning money back, at this point,
is to hire a *professional* webdesigner to give the GetClub website and
complete and utter overhaul. No way will you pass off as a professional
chess program with the current webdesign.
That's just a first step, I could recommend more. But without that step it's
all fairly pointless imho.
ave
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Date: 19 May 2008 18:57:30
From: David Richerby
Subject: Re: ChessMaster earn $100 Million, How can GetClub earn that much
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In article <[email protected] >, ave <[email protected]> wrote:
>> So Cost of designing GetClub Chess is also arround $750,000.
>> How earn the money I have spent in designing it is a big question.
>
> If you wanted to earn that money back, you should have answered that
> question *before* you spent the money, imho.
You don't really believe that Sanny spent three quarters of a million
bucks on his program, do you?
Dave.
--
David Richerby Lead Dish (TM): it's like a fine
www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~davidr/ ceramic dish that weighs a ton!
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Date: 20 May 2008 11:06:12
From: ave
Subject: Re: ChessMaster earn $100 Million, How can GetClub earn that much
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> You don't really believe that Sanny spent three quarters of a million
> bucks on his program, do you?
In all honesty?... No :)
But I'm not going to argue with him whether he did or not, it doesn't bother
me... ;)
ave
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Date: 14 May 2008 12:33:20
From:
Subject: Re: ChessMaster earn $100 Million, How can GetClub earn that much
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On May 10, 5:16=A0pm, Morten Skarstad <`whoami`@localhost > wrote:
>
> I don't think you're getting the point about CM, or any other commercial
> chess product for that matter. First, CM is not made by one "creator",
> but by a team of multiple programmers, where one is dedicated to the
> engine alone, various designers, testers, not to mention no less than
> five GMs giving tutorials and advice.
>
> And even if I could sell the work of one man for five million dollars I
> would be off and do it myself, not tell you how to do it :p- Hide quoted t=
ext -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Indeed. It takes money to make money.
If I remember correctly, the typical cost of the development and
marketing of one version of Chessmaster was around $750,000. That was
for CM8 and CM9, so the numbers might be bigger (or smaller) now --
but not by much.
jm
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Date: 12 May 2008 19:18:57
From: Rich Hutnik
Subject: Re: ChessMaster earn $100 Million, How can GetClub earn that much
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On May 7, 5:23 pm, Frisco Del Rosario <[email protected] > wrote:
> In article
> <5ace9d93-6b99-446d-bb6d-4bb1b7c6c...@j33g2000pri.googlegroups.com>,
>
> Sanny <[email protected]> wrote:
> > What are the things that GetClub is missing other than play Strength?
>
> I went to getclub.com once.
>
> The user interface is ugly, made of dozens of colors and hundreds of
> text fields. The text that clutters your UI reads like your newsgroup
> posts. You -- or someone who'll redo your UI for you -- must understand
> how to write in English, and that in UI design 'less is more'.
>
> The chessboard didn't fully render. No one will return to your chess
> application if they can't see the chessboard the first time. When I
> clicked on a piece, the UI made a sound like an aircraft, which I could
> not determine how to turn off.
>
> The buttons in the chessboard field flicker. So the design of your app
> is weak on the front end *and* on the back.
Do you count the flying chess pieces on the website in all this?
Wait, maybe the flying chess pieces have little tiny jet engines,
which explains why they fly around and the aircraft noise.
- Rich
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Date: 12 May 2008 19:16:16
From: Rich Hutnik
Subject: Re: GetClub reduced Subscription fees by half.
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On May 8, 12:44 am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:
> One thing I found was that GetClub was very costly compared to
> ChessMaster. So I have reduced the Price of Subscription at GetClub by
> half.
>
> Now, I feel I will get a lot of Customers.
>
> Here is the new Current Rate of Subscription.
>
> http://www.getclub.com/PurchaseGames.html
Did you sign an agreement with Bugs Bunny to endorse your game? If
so, isn't Warner Bros. going to be upset at Bugs moonlighting on your
website?
Free tip number 3: You need to SERIOUSLY get far more professional in
how you act on here, and with your website, before anyone happens to
want to pay you money for anything. This includes the killing of the
flying chess pieces that make me think I am doing chess skeet shooting
on your website. This professionalism goes down to learning there is
a chess game out there, with some notability and following that had
the same name as a chess variant you proposed.
If I am keep giving you input like this, you are going to get a bill
from me.
- Rich
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Date: 12 May 2008 19:10:30
From: Rich Hutnik
Subject: Re: ChessMaster earn $100 Million, How can GetClub earn that much
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On May 7, 11:46 am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:
> > Sanny, your addiction to hallucinogenic drugs is becoming more and
> > mre severe. Please seek rehabilitation.- Hide quoted text -
>
> Yes I understand a lot of things are needed to sell large number of
> Copies. And there is a lot of Competition in this Market.
>
> If I only think about Playing Strength How good is ChessMaster to
> GetClub?
>
> GetClub is much improved now, Is ChessMaster still stronger than
> GetClub Chess?
>
> Does anyone has ChessMaster What are the things that GetClub is
> missing other than play Strength?
Several things:
1. Study Marketing 101.
2. Don't post on chess newsgroups asking people for advice how to sell
your chess game.
Want to know what the issue is with a chess game? How about strength
of play kept getting pushed OVER AND OVER, when it keeps beating 90%
of the chess players in the world, so there are diminishing returns.
I will give you a free tip here: Think how you can produce a chess
program people feel the need to buy every year. In other words, what
Chessmaster used to be.
Second tip: Can you provide a program that is documented to, in a fun
way, improve the chess of people play? If so, you may be on to
something.
There, that is all the freebies you will get from me. Now stop asking
people here how they can help sell your program. If you want me to
tell you more, I am going to have to bill you. Shorthand, you need to
make it worth my while.
- Rich
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Date: 11 May 2008 02:16:01
From: Morten Skarstad
Subject: Re: ChessMaster earn $100 Million, How can GetClub earn that much
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Sanny skrev:
> I found 5 Million Copies of Chess Master has been Sold and it Costs
> $19.95.
>
> So ChessMaster Creator has earned $100 Million Dollars.
>
> Look here: http://www.game-remakes.com/game.php?id=126
>
> Chess Master Sold 5 Million Copies for $19.95 each !!!
>
> How much good is ChessMaster to GetClub?
>
> Can GetClub Chess sell 5 Million Copies????
>
> Please Help If I earn $100 Million Dollars, I will shell out a lot of
> money to those who help me.
>
> When you play ChessMaster and GetClub whats the Difference?
>
> If Chess Master Thinks for 10 sec/ move will it be able to beat the
> GetClubs Normal Level?.
>
> $100 Million Dollar is a lot of money hey tell my How to sell 5
> Million Copies of GetClub Chess.
>
> Please Suggest me, may be I give all the money you can dream of. Just
> tell me how to sell 5 Million copies of GetClub Chess. Thats a great
> Business !!!
>
> Is there good Market for GetClub Chess???? Why Can't GetClub do what
> ChessMaster did thats a 100 Million Dollar Question....
I don't think you're getting the point about CM, or any other commercial
chess product for that matter. First, CM is not made by one "creator",
but by a team of multiple programmers, where one is dedicated to the
engine alone, various designers, testers, not to mention no less than
five GMs giving tutorials and advice.
And even if I could sell the work of one man for five million dollars I
would be off and do it myself, not tell you how to do it :p
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Date: 07 May 2008 21:44:08
From: Sanny
Subject: GetClub reduced Subscription fees by half.
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One thing I found was that GetClub was very costly compared to
ChessMaster. So I have reduced the Price of Subscription at GetClub by
half.
Now, I feel I will get a lot of Customers.
Here is the new Current Rate of Subscription.
http://www.getclub.com/PurchaseGames.html
Subscription Package Number of Games Price Purchase Link
1) - 3 Months (Play 120 Games) US$ 5.00
2) - 6 Months (Play 300 Games) US$ 10.00
3) - 1 Year (Play 600 Games) US$ 20.00
So now you can get 1 year Subscription for Just $20.00
And 6 months Subscription for Just $10.00
And 3 months Subscription for just $5.00
Now, I think more people will purchase Subscriptions at GetClub as the
Price has been Halfed and it is very cheap to play at GetClub and
everyone could afford playing at GetClub.
I hope this price reduction will bring a lot of new customers.
Earlier 1 year Subscription was for $50.00 now it is just for $20.00
So its as cheap as a toy.
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 07 May 2008 21:35:24
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: ChessMaster earn $100 Million, How can GetClub earn that much
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> You'll never get an audience to pay you $100 million as long as your
> language skills -- in print and in code -- are unacceptable.
Please tell me the Sentences which are wrong and what should be in
place of them.
On Page http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
What should be the design of this page what style should it be that UI
looks great.
What are the things that should be removed?
Test looks like newsgroup do you think I should remove those text then
what should be written in place?
Looks like your Suggestions will help me improve the GetClub Chess.
What else can be done to make GetClub work as good as ChessMaster.
Bye
Sanny
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Date: 07 May 2008 14:35:06
From: SBD
Subject: Re: ChessMaster earn $100 Million, How can GetClub earn that much
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On May 7, 10:46 am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:
> If I only think about Playing Strength How good is ChessMaster to
> GetClub?
About a thousand rating points, which you should be able to make up,
given your current progress in no less than 100 years. Of course chess
will be solved by then, so your program will be as worthless then as
now.
> Does anyone has ChessMaster What are the things that GetClub is
> missing other than play Strength?
Does anyone have it? Are you serious? Didn't you just say a million
copies have been sold? Then I bet more than a few people own it.
But step one -
It plays a legal game of chess.
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Date: 07 May 2008 08:46:50
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: ChessMaster earn $100 Million, How can GetClub earn that much
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> =A0 Sanny, your addiction to hallucinogenic drugs is becoming more and
> mre severe. Please seek rehabilitation.- Hide quoted text -
Yes I understand a lot of things are needed to sell large number of
Copies. And there is a lot of Competition in this Market.
If I only think about Playing Strength How good is ChessMaster to
GetClub?
GetClub is much improved now, Is ChessMaster still stronger than
GetClub Chess?
Does anyone has ChessMaster What are the things that GetClub is
missing other than play Strength?
Bye
Sanny
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Date: 07 May 2008 14:23:15
From: Frisco Del Rosario
Subject: Re: ChessMaster earn $100 Million, How can GetClub earn that much
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In article
<5ace9d93-6b99-446d-bb6d-4bb1b7c6c507@j33g2000pri.googlegroups.com >,
Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:
> What are the things that GetClub is missing other than play Strength?
I went to getclub.com once.
The user interface is ugly, made of dozens of colors and hundreds of
text fields. The text that clutters your UI reads like your newsgroup
posts. You -- or someone who'll redo your UI for you -- must understand
how to write in English, and that in UI design 'less is more'.
The chessboard didn't fully render. No one will return to your chess
application if they can't see the chessboard the first time. When I
clicked on a piece, the UI made a sound like an aircraft, which I could
not determine how to turn off.
The buttons in the chessboard field flicker. So the design of your app
is weak on the front end *and* on the back.
You'll never get an audience to pay you $100 million as long as your
language skills -- in print and in code -- are unacceptable.
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Date: 08 May 2008 00:48:22
From: David Richerby
Subject: Re: ChessMaster earn $100 Million, How can GetClub earn that much
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Frisco Del Rosario <[email protected] > wrote:
> When I clicked on a piece, the UI made a sound like an aircraft,
> which I could not determine how to turn off.
Sanny's solution is to turn your speakers off. No, seriously.
Dave.
--
David Richerby Sumerian Monk (TM): it's like a man
www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~davidr/ of God that's really old!
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Date: 07 May 2008 15:41:57
From: David Richerby
Subject: Re: ChessMaster earn $100 Million, How can GetClub earn that much
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[Egregious crosspost trimmed.]
Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:
> I found 5 Million Copies of Chess Master has been Sold and it Costs
> $19.95.
>
> So ChessMaster Creator has earned $100 Million Dollars.
No -- that $100M (ignoring discount selling) was shared between the
retailer, wholesaler, distribution network and Ubisoft.
> How much good is ChessMaster to GetClub?
This has already been answered five million times.
> Can GetClub Chess sell 5 Million Copies????
No.
> When you play ChessMaster and GetClub whats the Difference?
ChessMaster is good. GetClub isn't.
> $100 Million Dollar is a lot of money hey tell my How to sell 5
> Million Copies of GetClub Chess.
Stop being a dick.
> Is there good Market for GetClub Chess????
No.
> Why Can't GetClub do what ChessMaster did thats a 100 Million Dollar
> Question....
Because it's shit.
Dave.
--
David Richerby Gigantic Mexi-Cheese (TM): it's like a
www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~davidr/ brick of cheese that comes from Mexico
but it's huge!
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Date: 07 May 2008 14:06:46
From:
Subject: Re: ChessMaster earn $100 Million, How can GetClub earn that much
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Sanny wrote:
>I found 5 Million Copies of Chess Master has been Sold and it Costs
>$19.95.
>
>So ChessMaster Creator has earned $100 Million Dollars.
>
>Chess Master Sold 5 Million Copies for $19.95 each !!!
>
>Can GetClub Chess sell 5 Million Copies????
>
>Please Help If I earn $100 Million Dollars, I will shell out a lot of
>money to those who help me.
You are too stupid to listen, so no $100 Million Dollars for you!
ChessMaster does not SPAM.
ChessMaster made $100 Million Dollars.
GetClub SPAMs.
GetClub made $0 Dollars.
Stop spamming. Make money. You are too stupid to understand this.
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Date: 07 May 2008 05:25:34
From:
Subject: Re: ChessMaster earn $100 Million, How can GetClub earn that much
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On May 7, 3:01=A0am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:
> I found 5 Million Copies of Chess Master has been Sold and it Costs
> $19.95.
>
> So ChessMaster Creator has earned $100 Million Dollars.
>
> Look here:http://www.game-remakes.com/game.php?id=3D126
>
> Chess Master Sold 5 Million Copies for $19.95 each !!!
>
> How much good is ChessMaster to GetClub?
>
> Can GetClub Chess sell 5 Million Copies????
>
> Please Help If I earn $100 Million Dollars, I will shell out a lot of
> money to those who help me.
>
> When you play ChessMaster and GetClub whats the Difference?
>
> If Chess Master Thinks for 10 sec/ move will it be able to beat the
> GetClubs Normal Level?.
>
> $100 Million Dollar is a lot of money hey tell my How to sell 5
> Million Copies of GetClub Chess.
>
> Please Suggest me, may be I give all the money you can dream of. Just
> tell me how to sell 5 Million copies of GetClub Chess. Thats a great
> Business !!!
>
> Is there good Market for GetClub Chess???? Why Can't GetClub do what
> ChessMaster did thats a 100 Million Dollar Question....
>
> Bye
> Sanny
Sanny, your addiction to hallucinogenic drugs is becoming more and
mre severe. Please seek rehabilitation.
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