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Date: 01 Oct 2006 22:26:11
From: Antonio Torrecillas
Subject: the match will continue 3-2?
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from: http://www.fide.com/news.asp?id=1136
The FIDE President has made several proposals for further continuation
of the match, which unfortunately were not accepted. After the detailed
study of the current situation and the consultation with the FIDE Legal
Advisor, the FIDE President decided:
Tomorrow, 2 October 2006, at 15.00, the 6th Game of the World Chess
Championship Match Topalov-Kramnik with the score 3:2 in favour of
Kramnik, will take place.
.............
Any bet about Kramnik position tomorrow?
AT
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Date: 02 Oct 2006 04:00:33
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: the match will continue 3-2... Kramnik agreed!
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We are in luck! Kramnik agreed to play (under proteest) the nest game
even with the score 3-2. :-)
http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=3392
-- likesforests
[email protected] wrote:
> Ron wrote:
> > You've got to understand that there are a lot of us who feel that
> > Kramnik's claim to the classical world championship is dubious, at best,
> > on account of his candidates match loss to Shirov.
>
> Ron, I appreciate the background. I have been watching this match
> closely, but I've only been studying chess since May, so I didn't know
> about this.
>
> They're both in Elista. As long as that's the case I'm hoping Kramnik
> will play on and win, or lose, by such a gin that the forfeit point
> becomes irrelevant.
>
> -- likesforests
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Date: 01 Oct 2006 19:31:34
From: Nick
Subject: Re: the match will continue 3-2?
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Ron wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > 60% - Kramnik walks, and remains the (proven) Classical World Champion.
> > He possibly retains a lawyer to obtain his share of the prize money.
>
> You've got to understand that there are a lot of us who feel that
> Kramnik's claim to the classical world championship is dubious,
> at best, on account of his candidates match loss to Shirov.
>
> Shirov beat Kramnik for the right to play Kasparov but there was then
> a struggle to find the right funding. A few years later, Kasparov gives
> Kramnik a match.
As far as I can recall reading, Shirov remains deeply bitter
at both Kasparov and Kramnik for having played their match
while ignoring him, the rightful challenger.
> So, while nobody can ever take away Kramnik's very impressive
> match-victory over Kasparov, honestly, it seems like everybody's
> tainted at this point.
>
> Topalov, before this match, had (IMHO) the best claim to a legitimate
> title on the basis of his amazing Championship tourney win. Obviously,
> reasonable people can disagree on this, but the history of the classical
> world championship might be very, very different if winning a candidates
> match was removed as a requirement to play for the title.
As far as I can recall reading, after Topalov became the
FIDE world champion, Shirov dismissed Kramnik's claim
to be considered the 'real' world champion of chess.
--Nick
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Date: 01 Oct 2006 19:28:12
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: the match will continue 3-2?
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Ron wrote:
> You've got to understand that there are a lot of us who feel that
> Kramnik's claim to the classical world championship is dubious, at best,
> on account of his candidates match loss to Shirov.
Ron, I appreciate the background. I have been watching this match
closely, but I've only been studying chess since May, so I didn't know
about this.
They're both in Elista. As long as that's the case I'm hoping Kramnik
will play on and win, or lose, by such a gin that the forfeit point
becomes irrelevant.
-- likesforests
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Date: 01 Oct 2006 14:37:51
From:
Subject: Re: the match will continue 3-2?
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85% - Kramnik plays, he just lacks the nerve for an uncompromising
position, not his style of living and playing, he wants draws and no
tension
10% - The war of Russia with Georgia starts and eveything gets
cancelled
5% - US nukes Iran and we all will have something else to mind
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Date: 01 Oct 2006 14:26:25
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: the match will continue 3-2?
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Antonio Torrecillas wrote:
> from: http://www.fide.com/news.asp?id=1136
>
> The FIDE President has made several proposals for further continuation
> of the match, which unfortunately were not accepted. After the detailed
> study of the current situation and the consultation with the FIDE Legal
> Advisor, the FIDE President decided:
>
> Tomorrow, 2 October 2006, at 15.00, the 6th Game of the World Chess
> Championship Match Topalov-Kramnik with the score 3:2 in favour of
> Kramnik, will take place.
>
> .............
>
> Any bet about Kramnik position tomorrow?
>
> AT
60% - Kramnik walks, and remains the (proven) Classical World Champion.
He possibly retains a lawyer to obtain his share of the prize money.
30% - Kramnik plays--there's $500,000 at stake.
10% - Something unexpected!
I would rather be guessing Kramnik's next chess move, so I'm hoping he
plays on... but I would understand if he decides to walk.
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Date: 02 Oct 2006 01:47:22
From: Ron
Subject: Re: the match will continue 3-2?
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In article <[email protected] >,
"[email protected]" <[email protected] > wrote:
> 60% - Kramnik walks, and remains the (proven) Classical World Champion.
> He possibly retains a lawyer to obtain his share of the prize money.
You've got to understand that there are a lot of us who feel that
Kramnik's claim to the classical world championship is dubious, at best,
on account of his candidates match loss to Shirov.
Shirov beat Kramnik for the right to play Kasparov but there was then a
struggle to find the right funding. A few years later, Kasparov gives
Kramnik a match.
So, while nobody can ever take away Kramnik's very impressive
match-victory over Kasparov, honestly, it seems like everybody's tainted
at this point.
Topalov, before this match, had (IMHO) the best claim to a legitimate
title on the basis of his amazing Championship tourney win. Obviously,
reasonable people can disagree on this, but the history of the classical
world championship might be very, very different if winning a candidates
match was removed as a requirement to play for the title.
-Ron
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Date: 01 Oct 2006 13:47:45
From:
Subject: Re: the match will continue 3-2?
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>Antonio Torrecillas wrote:
> Any bet about Kramnik position tomorrow?
> AT
He will cave in.
At the price of 1 point he has got his toilet back open. Pretty
expensive but needs are needs.
Next they when he leads by 2 points they will cut the running water and
electricity in his cottage and ask for a new point in "exchange" for
giving them back.
Reciprocity you know.
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