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Date: 03 Oct 2004 22:20:04
From: sathya_me
Subject: leko-kramnik game (round-4) some doubts
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[Event "Classical World Chess Championship"]
[Site "Brissago SUI"]
[Date "2004.09.29"]
[Round "4"]
[White "Kramnik"]
[Black "Leko"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "C88"]
[PlyCount "86"]
[EventDate "2004.??.??"]
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. O-O Be7 6. Re1 b5 7. Bb3 O-O
8. h3
Bb7 9. d3 d6 10. a3 Nd7 11. Nc3 Nd4 12. Ba2 Nxf3+ 13. Qxf3 Bg5 14. Bxg5 Qxg5
15. Nd5 c6 16. Ne3 g6 17. Rad1 Rad8 18. c3 c5 19. Bd5 Bc8 20. b4 Nb6 21. c4
Nxd5 22. Nxd5 Be6 23. bxc5 dxc5 24. Rb1 Rb8 25. cxb5 Bxd5 26. exd5 axb5
27. d6
b4 28. a4 Rfd8 29. Qd5 Qf6 30. Qxc5 Qxd6 31. Qxd6 Rxd6 32. Rxe5 b3 33.
Rb5 Ra8
34. R1xb3 Rxa4 35. Rb6 Rd7 36. Rf6 Ra1+ 37. Kh2 Rd1 38. Rf3 h5 39. h4
Rd2 40.
g3 Kg7 41. Kg2 Rd1 42. Re3 Kh7 43. Kf3 Rd2 1/2-1/2
=================end of pgn=================
My doubts are:
1) What happens if white trys 14.Be3?
2) 21.c4 looks like a ?! move. 21.d4 will try to open up the center
for white.
3) At move 26 white pawn structure has broken
4) I am not clear with the position after move 27. Black looked
better after the break
in the pawn center. What could have went wrong for black?
5) Is this ending real draw? Can not white utilize the extra d pawn?
Can somebody annotate the whole game?
--
"Combination is the heart of chess"
A.Alekhine
Mail to:
sathyashrayan25 AT yahoo DOT com
(AT = @ and DOT = .)
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Date: 03 Oct 2004 19:30:57
From: Antonio Torrecillas
Subject: Re: leko-kramnik game (round-4) some doubts
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En/na sathya_me ha escrit:
> [Event "Classical World Chess Championship"]
> [Site "Brissago SUI"]
> [Date "2004.09.29"]
> [Round "4"]
> [White "Kramnik"]
> [Black "Leko"]
> [Result "1/2-1/2"]
> [ECO "C88"]
> [PlyCount "86"]
> [EventDate "2004.??.??"]
>
> 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. O-O Be7 6. Re1 b5 7. Bb3 O-O
> 8. h3
> Bb7 9. d3 d6 10. a3 Nd7 11. Nc3 Nd4 12. Ba2 Nxf3+ 13. Qxf3 Bg5 14. Bxg5
> Qxg5
> 15. Nd5 c6 16. Ne3 g6 17. Rad1 Rad8 18. c3 c5 19. Bd5 Bc8 20. b4 Nb6 21. c4
> Nxd5 22. Nxd5 Be6 23. bxc5 dxc5 24. Rb1 Rb8 25. cxb5 Bxd5 26. exd5 axb5
> 27. d6
> b4 28. a4 Rfd8 29. Qd5 Qf6 30. Qxc5 Qxd6 31. Qxd6 Rxd6 32. Rxe5 b3 33.
> Rb5 Ra8
> 34. R1xb3 Rxa4 35. Rb6 Rd7 36. Rf6 Ra1+ 37. Kh2 Rd1 38. Rf3 h5 39. h4
> Rd2 40.
> g3 Kg7 41. Kg2 Rd1 42. Re3 Kh7 43. Kf3 Rd2 1/2-1/2
>
> =================end of pgn=================
>
> My doubts are:
> 1) What happens if white trys 14.Be3?
Nothing special, ... 14...Bxe3 seems balanced.
> 2) 21.c4 looks like a ?! move. 21.d4 will try to open up the center
> for white.
21.c4 also open lines, .. and ok, 21.d4 is possible.
> 3) At move 26 white pawn structure has broken
After 27.d6! followed by Qd5 black pawns in e5, c5 and b5 are attacked.
Leko found a way to lose "only" one pawn with drawn possibilities.
In that case, piece activity is very important.
> 4) I am not clear with the position after move 27. Black looked better
> after the break
> in the pawn center. What could have went wrong for black?
I think black played badly earlier.
> 5) Is this ending real draw? Can not white utilize the extra d pawn?
with two rooks seems draw, with only one rook it's a different case.
In that ending white has no possibilities to improve his position.
> Can somebody annotate the whole game?
AT
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Date: 04 Oct 2004 11:56:33
From: sathya_me
Subject: Re: leko-kramnik game (round-4) some doubts
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Antonio Torrecillas wrote:
> En/na sathya_me ha escrit:
>
>> [Event "Classical World Chess Championship"]
>> [Site "Brissago SUI"]
>> [Date "2004.09.29"]
>> [Round "4"]
>> [White "Kramnik"]
>> [Black "Leko"]
>> [Result "1/2-1/2"]
>> [ECO "C88"]
>> [PlyCount "86"]
>> [EventDate "2004.??.??"]
>>
>> 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. O-O Be7 6. Re1 b5 7. Bb3
>> O-O 8. h3
>> Bb7 9. d3 d6 10. a3 Nd7 11. Nc3 Nd4 12. Ba2 Nxf3+ 13. Qxf3 Bg5 14.
>> Bxg5 Qxg5
>> 15. Nd5 c6 16. Ne3 g6 17. Rad1 Rad8 18. c3 c5 19. Bd5 Bc8 20. b4 Nb6
>> 21. c4
>> Nxd5 22. Nxd5 Be6 23. bxc5 dxc5 24. Rb1 Rb8 25. cxb5 Bxd5 26. exd5
>> axb5 27. d6
>> b4 28. a4 Rfd8 29. Qd5 Qf6 30. Qxc5 Qxd6 31. Qxd6 Rxd6 32. Rxe5 b3
>> 33. Rb5 Ra8
>> 34. R1xb3 Rxa4 35. Rb6 Rd7 36. Rf6 Ra1+ 37. Kh2 Rd1 38. Rf3 h5 39. h4
>> Rd2 40.
>> g3 Kg7 41. Kg2 Rd1 42. Re3 Kh7 43. Kf3 Rd2 1/2-1/2
>>
>> =================end of pgn=================
>>
>> My doubts are:
>> 1) What happens if white trys 14.Be3?
>
>
> Nothing special, ... 14...Bxe3 seems balanced.
>
>> 2) 21.c4 looks like a ?! move. 21.d4 will try to open up the center
>> for white.
>
>
> 21.c4 also open lines, .. and ok, 21.d4 is possible.
21.d4 is more accurate i think.
>
>
>> 3) At move 26 white pawn structure has broken
>
>
> After 27.d6! followed by Qd5 black pawns in e5, c5 and b5 are
> attacked. Leko found a way to lose "only" one pawn with drawn
> possibilities.
> In that case, piece activity is very important.
Yes Q on the center of the board and very active. I did't consider
that while looking at the
game.
>
>> 4) I am not clear with the position after move 27. Black looked
>> better after the break
>> in the pawn center. What could have went wrong for black?
>
>
> I think black played badly earlier.
You mean to say that in the eariler round?
>
>
>> 5) Is this ending real draw? Can not white utilize the extra d pawn?
>
>
> with two rooks seems draw, with only one rook it's a different case.
> In that ending white has no possibilities to improve his position.
>
>> Can somebody annotate the whole game?
>
>
> AT
>
--
"Combination is the heart of chess"
A.Alekhine
Mail to:
sathyashrayan25 AT yahoo DOT com
(AT = @ and DOT = .)
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Date: 04 Oct 2004 10:51:13
From: Antonio Torrecillas
Subject: Re: leko-kramnik game (round-4) some doubts
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En/na sathya_me ha escrit:
>
> Antonio Torrecillas wrote:
>
>> En/na sathya_me ha escrit:
>>
>>> [Event "Classical World Chess Championship"]
>>> [Site "Brissago SUI"]
>>> [Date "2004.09.29"]
>>> [Round "4"]
>>> [White "Kramnik"]
>>> [Black "Leko"]
>>> [Result "1/2-1/2"]
>>> [ECO "C88"]
>>> [PlyCount "86"]
>>> [EventDate "2004.??.??"]
>>>
>>> 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. O-O Be7 6. Re1 b5 7. Bb3
>>> O-O 8. h3
>>> Bb7 9. d3 d6 10. a3 Nd7 11. Nc3 Nd4 12. Ba2 Nxf3+ 13. Qxf3 Bg5 14.
>>> Bxg5 Qxg5
>>> 15. Nd5 c6 16. Ne3 g6 17. Rad1 Rad8 18. c3 c5 19. Bd5 Bc8 20. b4 Nb6
>>> 21. c4
>>> Nxd5 22. Nxd5 Be6 23. bxc5 dxc5 24. Rb1 Rb8 25. cxb5 Bxd5 26. exd5
>>> axb5 27. d6
>>> b4 28. a4 Rfd8 29. Qd5 Qf6 30. Qxc5 Qxd6 31. Qxd6 Rxd6 32. Rxe5 b3
>>> 33. Rb5 Ra8
>>> 34. R1xb3 Rxa4 35. Rb6 Rd7 36. Rf6 Ra1+ 37. Kh2 Rd1 38. Rf3 h5 39. h4
>>> Rd2 40.
>>> g3 Kg7 41. Kg2 Rd1 42. Re3 Kh7 43. Kf3 Rd2 1/2-1/2
>>>
>>> =================end of pgn=================
>>> 2) 21.c4 looks like a ?! move. 21.d4 will try to open up the center
>>> for white.
>>
>> 21.c4 also open lines, .. and ok, 21.d4 is possible.
>
> 21.d4 is more accurate i think.
21.d4 is the move I would have think in first place, and probably the
one I would have played ... but I'm many hundred point ELo down thoase
great players.
I actually do not understand why 21.c4 is better than 21.d4.
>>> 4) I am not clear with the position after move 27. Black looked
>>> better after the break
>>> in the pawn center. What could have went wrong for black?
>>
>> I think black played badly earlier.
>
> You mean to say that in the eariler round?
No, in that game.
After 14th move black seems ok with no problems. After 27.d6 white in
clearly better. That mean black played badly in some moment between
those two moves. GM Amador Rodriguez wrote He did not like weakening
moves 15...c6 and 16...g6 proposing 15...Rae8 (Nxc7 is not a problem),
He also wrote He did not like 25...Bxd5.
But those are MR rodriguez views, ... I don't know what were the mistake(s).
Have a good day!
AT
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