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Date: 31 Aug 2007 23:39:48
From: Sanny
Subject: Winners for Aug 2007 at GetClub Chess.
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This month the Winners at GetClub are (Aug 2007) 1st. zebediah : Points Awarded 35.3 Win ($5.00 as Prize) 2nd sanjay11 : Points Awarded 4.7 Win ($2.00 as Prize) 3rd help bot : Points Awarded 4.5 Win ($1.00 as Prize) 4th apple3feet : Points Awarded 4.3 Win ($1.00 as Prize) 5th bonsai : Points Awarded 2.8 Win ($1.00 as Prize) 6th softtanks : Points Awarded 1.6 Win ($1.00 as Prize) Games Played at: http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html This month the competition will be much tougher as Help bot and apple3feet joined Later. Zebediah has beaten Taylor kingston Score and is Ranked IInd at GetClub Chess. Here are the All time Toppers at GetClub 1st Nomorechess (Rating: 1411) 2nd Zebediah (Rating 1319) 3rd Taylor Kingston (Rating: 1315) 4th Chrisf (Rating: 1288) 5th Bob (Rating: 1190) So The rating are changing every month. And it is very tough to reach higher levels at GetClub Chess. Bye Sanny Play Chess at: http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 03 Sep 2007 10:53:36
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Winners for Aug 2007 at GetClub Chess.
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On Sep 3, 10:48 pm, Bjoern <[email protected] > wrote: > Sanny wrote: > > > Beginner: 1700 > > Easy: 1800 > > Normal: 1900 > > Master: 2000 > > > Is the Above rating Correct, What do Fritz8 Say? > > I say > Beginner: 1200 > Easy: 1250 > Normal: 1280 > Master: 1300 Have you beaten GetClub Chess after it was Improved? Today it beat Nomorechess Twice. And soon it will beat others too. Bye Sanny. Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 03 Sep 2007 10:47:38
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Winners for Aug 2007 at GetClub Chess.
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On Sep 3, 10:39 pm, Taylor Kingston <[email protected] > wrote: > On Sep 3, 1:22 pm, Sanny <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > On Sep 3, 9:36 pm, Taylor Kingston <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On Sep 3, 11:37 am, Sanny <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > That was another Java Program which boast of being strongest in the > > > > > > world. My Program was able to beat it becauase that made a blunder and > > > > > > gave away its bishop for no reasion. > > > > > > Sanny, you remind of a guy who says "I am the tallest man in the > > > > > world!" When someone points out that you are only 5 feet 6 inches > > > > > tall, and that there many men 6 and even 7 feet tall or more, you try > > > > > to explain that they are not really men, or that they live on a > > > > > different world, or that theirs is a different kind of tallness than > > > > > what you meant. > > > > > This is something Puzzle like: What Comes first Hen or the Egg? > > > > No, Sanny, it is nothing like that. Time to go back to ignoring you. > > > Visithttp://www.ludochess.com/jester_eng/jester_eng.php3 > > > They Write in BOLD LETTERS > > ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// > > JESTER the strongest pure javachessprogram > > /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// > > > Thats why I wrote My program beat Strongest Program. > > Ah, but Sanny, even assuming Jester's claim is valid, "strongest > Java program" and "strongest program" are not at all the same thing. > Therefore your statement was quite misleading.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - It was for the first time my Program was able to beat Jester. Bye Sanny.
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Date: 03 Sep 2007 10:39:03
From: Taylor Kingston
Subject: Re: Winners for Aug 2007 at GetClub Chess.
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On Sep 3, 1:22 pm, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote: > On Sep 3, 9:36 pm, Taylor Kingston <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > On Sep 3, 11:37 am, Sanny <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > That was another Java Program which boast of being strongest in the > > > > > world. My Program was able to beat it becauase that made a blunder and > > > > > gave away its bishop for no reasion. > > > > > Sanny, you remind of a guy who says "I am the tallest man in the > > > > world!" When someone points out that you are only 5 feet 6 inches > > > > tall, and that there many men 6 and even 7 feet tall or more, you try > > > > to explain that they are not really men, or that they live on a > > > > different world, or that theirs is a different kind of tallness than > > > > what you meant. > > > > This is something Puzzle like: What Comes first Hen or the Egg? > > > No, Sanny, it is nothing like that. Time to go back to ignoring you. > > Visithttp://www.ludochess.com/jester_eng/jester_eng.php3 > > They Write in BOLD LETTERS > ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// > JESTER the strongest pure java chess program > /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// > > Thats why I wrote My program beat Strongest Program. > Ah, but Sanny, even assuming Jester's claim is valid, "strongest Java program" and "strongest program" are not at all the same thing. Therefore your statement was quite misleading.
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Date: 03 Sep 2007 10:22:48
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Winners for Aug 2007 at GetClub Chess.
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On Sep 3, 9:36 pm, Taylor Kingston <[email protected] > wrote: > On Sep 3, 11:37 am, Sanny <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > That was another Java Program which boast of being strongest in the > > > > world. My Program was able to beat it becauase that made a blunder and > > > > gave away its bishop for no reasion. > > > > Sanny, you remind of a guy who says "I am the tallest man in the > > > world!" When someone points out that you are only 5 feet 6 inches > > > tall, and that there many men 6 and even 7 feet tall or more, you try > > > to explain that they are not really men, or that they live on a > > > different world, or that theirs is a different kind of tallness than > > > what you meant. > > > This is something Puzzle like: What Comes first Hen or the Egg? > > No, Sanny, it is nothing like that. Time to go back to ignoring you. Visit http://www.ludochess.com/jester_eng/jester_eng.php3 They Write in BOLD LETTERS ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// JESTER the strongest pure java chess program /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Thats why I wrote My program beat Strongest Program. Bye Sanny Play Chess at: http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 03 Sep 2007 09:36:26
From: Taylor Kingston
Subject: Re: Winners for Aug 2007 at GetClub Chess.
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On Sep 3, 11:37 am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote: > > > That was another Java Program which boast of being strongest in the > > > world. My Program was able to beat it becauase that made a blunder and > > > gave away its bishop for no reasion. > > > Sanny, you remind of a guy who says "I am the tallest man in the > > world!" When someone points out that you are only 5 feet 6 inches > > tall, and that there many men 6 and even 7 feet tall or more, you try > > to explain that they are not really men, or that they live on a > > different world, or that theirs is a different kind of tallness than > > what you meant. > > This is something Puzzle like: What Comes first Hen or the Egg? > No, Sanny, it is nothing like that. Time to go back to ignoring you.
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Date: 03 Sep 2007 08:37:27
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Winners for Aug 2007 at GetClub Chess.
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> > That was another Java Program which boast of being strongest in the > > world. My Program was able to beat it becauase that made a blunder and > > gave away its bishop for no reasion. > > Sanny, you remind of a guy who says "I am the tallest man in the > world!" When someone points out that you are only 5 feet 6 inches > tall, and that there many men 6 and even 7 feet tall or more, you try > to explain that they are not really men, or that they live on a > different world, or that theirs is a different kind of tallness than > what you meant. This is something Puzzle like: What Comes first Hen or the Egg? I say Egg comes first and it hatches to give a Hen. Other said Hen laid the Eggs so Hen Comes First. The Program I played It wrote It is worlds Strongest Chess Game. So I thought they are saying correct. And my Program wins against him in 60 moves. So I wrote the fact. But later a few players told me that Rybka is best Chess game. If some day my Program beats Rybka I will again say it. But maybe by then some other program becomes worlds best. Some people say Fritz is best. Some say Chess Master is best. Some say Deep Blue is best. I do not know which plays best. Play Chess at: http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html Today for the First time Nomorechess was beaten twice by Beginner Level, However Nomorechess said he was playing Blitz game and not playing seriously thats why he lost the Match. Bye Sanny Play Chess at: http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 03 Sep 2007 14:10:06
From: Kenneth Sloan
Subject: Re: Winners for Aug 2007 at GetClub Chess.
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Sanny wrote: > > Some people say Fritz is best. Some say Chess Master is best. Some say > Deep Blue is best. I do not know which plays best. We all know which plays worst... -- Kenneth Sloan [email protected] Computer and Information Sciences +1-205-932-2213 University of Alabama at Birmingham FAX +1-205-934-5473 Birmingham, AL 35294-1170 http://www.cis.uab.edu/sloan/
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Date: 03 Sep 2007 08:19:53
From: Taylor Kingston
Subject: Re: Winners for Aug 2007 at GetClub Chess.
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On Sep 3, 1:22 am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote: > > > I think you should compare Getclub1 with Fritz1. > > > > WhenGetClubreaches 8th version it will beat fritz8 > > > But Sanny, you said it could beat Fritz8 already! On 22 August you > > said here "GetClubChessbeat Worlds Strongest Computer Game !!!" > > Surely then it should beat Fritz8, which is nowhere near the strongestchessprogram. Yet Fritz beat yours easily. Your program is really pretty lousy atchess. > > And every time this is proven -- and it has been proven many, many, > > many times -- all you do is make silly excuses. Sanny, you need to > > quit lying and making ridiculous claims. > > That was another Java Program which boast of being strongest in the > world. My Program was able to beat it becauase that made a blunder and > gave away its bishop for no reasion. > Sanny, you remind of a guy who says "I am the tallest man in the world!" When someone points out that you are only 5 feet 6 inches tall, and that there many men 6 and even 7 feet tall or more, you try to explain that they are not really men, or that they live on a different world, or that theirs is a different kind of tallness than what you meant.
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Date: 03 Sep 2007 14:08:45
From: Kenneth Sloan
Subject: Re: Winners for Aug 2007 at GetClub Chess.
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Taylor Kingston wrote: > On Sep 3, 1:22 am, Sanny <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> I think you should compare Getclub1 with Fritz1. >>>> WhenGetClubreaches 8th version it will beat fritz8 >>> But Sanny, you said it could beat Fritz8 already! On 22 August you >>> said here "GetClubChessbeat Worlds Strongest Computer Game !!!" >>> Surely then it should beat Fritz8, which is nowhere near the strongestchessprogram. Yet Fritz beat yours easily. Your program is really pretty lousy atchess. >>> And every time this is proven -- and it has been proven many, many, >>> many times -- all you do is make silly excuses. Sanny, you need to >>> quit lying and making ridiculous claims. >> That was another Java Program which boast of being strongest in the >> world. My Program was able to beat it becauase that made a blunder and >> gave away its bishop for no reasion. >> > > Sanny, you remind of a guy who says "I am the tallest man in the > world!" When someone points out that you are only 5 feet 6 inches > tall, and that there many men 6 and even 7 feet tall or more, you try > to explain that they are not really men, or that they live on a > different world, or that theirs is a different kind of tallness than > what you meant. > Sanny teased his hair this morning, so today he is even taller! -- Kenneth Sloan [email protected] Computer and Information Sciences +1-205-932-2213 University of Alabama at Birmingham FAX +1-205-934-5473 Birmingham, AL 35294-1170 http://www.cis.uab.edu/sloan/
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Date: 03 Sep 2007 03:22:39
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Winners for Aug 2007 at GetClub Chess.
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> Actually, looking at the programs past record, you should easily find > plenty of those, what I can access on the front page of your website > seems to indicated a record of > 6 losses for master level > 3 losses for normal level > 4 losses for easy level > 14 losses, potentially 1 draw (was that real or not?!) for beginner The things are going to be changed from today as the Game has been improved a lot Today. Bye Sanny Play Chess at: http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 03 Sep 2007 03:19:40
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Winners for Aug 2007 at GetClub Chess.
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> Does Fritz8 have a way of weakening the program to > USCF-rating equivalents? If it does, you might be able > to give some kind of estimate for the strength of the > program atGetClub. > > Personally, I find it very hard to estimate, because at > times I feel I am playing a tactically dangerous computer, > yet at other times I feel like I am playing Sanny himself. I give {improved} Easy Level same Rating as your Gameplay. As the Game has improved Easy Level will play as good as you play. If your Rating is 1800, Easy =1800. Beginner=1700 (-100) Normal=1900 (+100) Master: 2000 (+200) Bye Sanny Play Chess at: http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 03 Sep 2007 03:13:57
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Winners for Aug 2007 at GetClub Chess.
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Can Taylor Kingston play with Beginner, Easy, Normal & Master with his Fritz8 and tell me What is the actual Rating of GetClub Chess. Here is what I give for the Improved Game. Play & Tell: http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html {The Game was improved further today, So I am estimating a little higher rating.} Beginner: 1700 Easy: 1800 Normal: 1900 Master: 2000 Is the Above rating Correct, What do Fritz8 Say? Bye Sanny Play Chess at:http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 03 Sep 2007 14:11:48
From: Kenneth Sloan
Subject: Re: Winners for Aug 2007 at GetClub Chess.
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Sanny wrote: > Beginner: 1700 > Easy: 1800 > Normal: 1900 > Master: 2000 > > Is the Above rating Correct, What do Fritz8 Say? > Fritz8 laughs. -- Kenneth Sloan [email protected] Computer and Information Sciences +1-205-932-2213 University of Alabama at Birmingham FAX +1-205-934-5473 Birmingham, AL 35294-1170 http://www.cis.uab.edu/sloan/
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Date: 03 Sep 2007 19:48:43
From: Bjoern
Subject: Re: Winners for Aug 2007 at GetClub Chess.
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Sanny wrote: > > Beginner: 1700 > Easy: 1800 > Normal: 1900 > Master: 2000 > > Is the Above rating Correct, What do Fritz8 Say? > I say Beginner: 1200 Easy: 1250 Normal: 1280 Master: 1300
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Date: 03 Sep 2007 03:08:19
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Winners for Aug 2007 at GetClub Chess.
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> When I tried out another Web site which used > a Javachessprogram, there was no trouble and > it moved in good time, so I think the problem is > specific to Sanny's program/Web site. > The Problem has been corrected. I feel now Beginner will give you a good Challenge. I find it takes 50-60 moves for you to win Beginner. Earlier you used to beat in 40 Moves only. With recent Improvement I feel now you will need 60-70 Moves to win Beginner Level. Play Chess at:http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html And may be in 1/3 Matches the Beginner will win. And Easy Level will be 50-50 for you. Normal will beat you 2/3 times. Master will beat you 3/4 times. Thats what I think. May be your game level is better than what I think. But since you mostly play with beginner level. I have a feeling It will have very difficult for you to win Higher Levels. Bye Sanny Play Chess at:http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 03 Sep 2007 01:14:16
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Winners for Aug 2007 at GetClub Chess.
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> > Pretty much a hare-and-tortoise affair, except that here the hare > > never let up. Sanny's program simply doesn't have the speed and > > calculating ability to stand up to Fritz8 even in its quickest-moving > > mode. > > Does Fritz8 have a way of weakening the program to > USCF-rating equivalents? If it does, you might be able > to give some kind of estimate for the strength of the > program atGetClub. The GETCLUB GAME has now entered the KILLER ZONE. I Update the Rating of Game as again a bit of improvement was done. Beginner: 1700 Easy: 1800 Normal: 1900 Master: 2000 Play Chess at: http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html Nomorechess now you will have tough time beating the Beginner & Easy Levels. For Stronger players Zebediah I think it will be tougher to beat the Master Level. The game strength was further improved today. And this time it was a serious improvement. Play Chess at: http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html I am going to see a lot of losses by good players in comming days. As I promised the game will be further improved. Now is the time To get a good Challenge. If you are currenlt playing a game. Just close your Browser and start the game again So that better Program is loaded on your computer and you do not play with older version. I am sure that I am going to see a lot of losses in comming days. Nomorechess will have trouble with Beginner & Easy Level. Bonsai will have trouble playing with Easy & Normal Level. And Zebediah will find Master much tougher than what it was earlier. Bye Sanny Play Chess at: http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 03 Sep 2007 00:08:41
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Winners for Aug 2007 at GetClub Chess.
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On Sep 3, 12:48 am, Bjoern <[email protected] > wrote: > Sanny wrote: > > Fritz and Rybka I have not tested. Once my Program starts beating good > > players like nomorechess, yourself, bob & Zebediah. Then I will test > > it against Fritz & Rybka. Once Bobby Fischer has beaten me in a match, THEN I will allow Rybka to offer me pawn odds, but not before. ; >D > You should it would provide you lots of material showing where the > program can improve. > > > Now it do not make silly moves. Now you told it is not playing > > intelligently. What do you mean by that. Can you show some moves which > > you think were wrong. > > Actually, looking at the programs past record, you should easily find > plenty of those, what I can access on the front page of your website > seems to indicated a record of > 6 losses for master level > 3 losses for normal level > 4 losses for easy level > 14 losses, potentially 1 draw (was that real or not?!) for beginner > > and then there's the programs score of +5 -7 versus you personally, > Sanny, which appear to be the only games the program has actually won. > > Why don't you just run all those losses through fritz? I believe what Sanny has in mind is his Band-aid approach whereby he finds an exact position early in the game and then types in a specific move for it to play by-rote. This is wrongheaded, and even with a thousand such Band-aids the program will be easy to beat, once beyond the Band-aid wall of protection. Personally, I don't know squat about Java, HTML, or even writing a routine to generate a list of every legal move in a given position, but it ought to be a simple task to improve on the program's current level, where it "resigns" a half-move before being checkmated. Sheesh! Just do simple math: K=99 Q=9 R=5 B=3 N=3 P=1 or this: K=999 Q=100 R=56 B=34 N=31 P=10 and add them up for the "material score". Then, after this is working smoothly, add on a "positional score" which gives a bonus for control of the center, King safety or whatever you want, just make sure that you save the original, tested-working version so you can go back to Kansas if things don't pan out. In my scenario, even a slow-as-molasses Java module should be able to get well beyond the current resign at mate-on-the-move state. In my games, the program sits there for a while and then, finally, realizes it is going to be mated by force; the time for this ought to be essentially *zero*, since there is only one legal move. For instance, in the game where I recently beat the master level I played ...QxR+, and it had just one legal move, KxQ, after which I had ...R-h1 mate. When I tried out another Web site which used a Java chess program, there was no trouble and it moved in good time, so I think the problem is specific to Sanny's program/Web site. -- help bot
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Date: 02 Sep 2007 22:34:55
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Winners for Aug 2007 at GetClub Chess.
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On Sep 2, 4:47 pm, Taylor Kingston <[email protected] > wrote: > But Sanny, you said it could beat Fritz8 already! On 22 August you > said here "GetClub Chess beat Worlds Strongest Computer Game !!!" > Surely then it should beat Fritz8, which is nowhere near the strongest > chess program. Yet Fritz beat yours easily. Your program is really > pretty lousy at chess. > And every time this is proven -- and it has been proven many, many, > many times -- all you do is make silly excuses. Sanny, you need to > quit lying and making ridiculous claims. I suppose the clearest proof is the record of Rob Mitchell at GetCLub: a perfect 2 - 0. -- help bot
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Date: 02 Sep 2007 22:27:35
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Winners for Aug 2007 at GetClub Chess.
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On Sep 2, 9:59 am, Taylor Kingston <[email protected] > wrote: > White: Sanny's program (at "normal" level) > Black: Fritz8 (in blitz mode -- the numbers following each move are > the time each machine took, in seconds) It is not clear as to whether or not Fritz8 was thinking on the opponent's (leisurely) time. > 1. Nf3 Nf6 Who says Sanny's program can't go toe-to-toe with the big boys in the opening? > 2. Nc3 {127} d5 {0} 3. d4 {205} g6 {0} 4. Bg5 {180} Bg7 {0} > 5. Qd3 {211} O-O {8} 6. O-O-O {477} Re8 {0} 7. e4? {118} -- Perhaps > the losing move. Fritz now shows its greatly superior calculating > ability. 7...dxe4 {19} 8. Nxe4 {157} Bf5 {0} -- A very troublesome > pin. White can't break it by 9.Nxf6+, since 9...exf6 wins a piece. 9. > Bxf6 {194} exf6 {0} 10. Re1 {191} Nc6 {14} 11. Kb1 {308} Qd5 {0} -- > Fritz rated the position at about -1.45 here. 12. Nfd2 {104} Bxe4 {0} > 13. Rxe4 {174} f5 {0} 14. Rxe8+? {238} -- Relatively best was 14.Re2, > accepting the loss of a pawn. Now Fritz rates the position at about > -3.10. 14...Rxe8 {6} 15. Nf3 {272} Qxf3! {4} -- The queen sac. Of > course if White retakes on f3 then 16...Re1+ and mate quicky. 16. Qd2 > {187} Qe4 {0} 17. d5?? {172} -- There was no good move, but this is > very bad. Fritz's now saw a forced mate. 17...Qd4! {4} -- Threatening > 18...Qxb2# and therefore forcing further material loss. 18. Qc1 {132} > Re1 {0} 19. c3 {141} Rxc1+ {141} 20. Kxc1 {159} Bh6+{159} 21. Kc2 > {188} Qa4+ {188} -- At this point Sanny's program resigned. Black has > a forced mate in 4: 22. b3 Qxa2+ 23. Kd3 Ne5+ 24. Kd4 Qxf2+ 25. > Kxe5Bg7# 0-1 Perhaps there is a material limit which triggers the program to resign? I find it hard to believe that Sanny's program can spot a mate-in-four, since it nearly always has trouble finding mate-in-one against itself in my games. > Pretty much a hare-and-tortoise affair, except that here the hare > never let up. Sanny's program simply doesn't have the speed and > calculating ability to stand up to Fritz8 even in its quickest-moving > mode. Does Fritz8 have a way of weakening the program to USCF-rating equivalents? If it does, you might be able to give some kind of estimate for the strength of the program at GetClub. Personally, I find it very hard to estimate, because at times I feel I am playing a tactically dangerous computer, yet at other times I feel like I am playing Sanny himself. -- help bot
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Date: 02 Sep 2007 22:22:50
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Winners for Aug 2007 at GetClub Chess.
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> > I think you should compare Getclub1 with Fritz1. > > > WhenGetClubreaches 8th version it will beat fritz8 > > But Sanny, you said it could beat Fritz8 already! On 22 August you > said here "GetClubChessbeat Worlds Strongest Computer Game !!!" > Surely then it should beat Fritz8, which is nowhere near the strongestchessprogram. Yet Fritz beat yours easily. Your program is really > pretty lousy atchess. > And every time this is proven -- and it has been proven many, many, > many times -- all you do is make silly excuses. Sanny, you need to > quit lying and making ridiculous claims. That was another Java Program which boast of being strongest in the world. My Program was able to beat it becauase that made a blunder and gave away its bishop for no reasion. Play Chess at:http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html Fritz and Rybka I have not tested. Once my Program starts beating good players like nomorechess, yourself, bob & Zebediah. Then I will test it against Fritz & Rybka. Now it do not make silly moves. Now you told it is not playing intelligently. What do you mean by that. Can you show some moves which you think were wrong. Bye Sanny Play Chess at:http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 03 Sep 2007 07:48:55
From: Bjoern
Subject: Re: Winners for Aug 2007 at GetClub Chess.
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Sanny wrote: > Fritz and Rybka I have not tested. Once my Program starts beating good > players like nomorechess, yourself, bob & Zebediah. Then I will test > it against Fritz & Rybka. You should it would provide you lots of material showing where the program can improve. > Now it do not make silly moves. Now you told it is not playing > intelligently. What do you mean by that. Can you show some moves which > you think were wrong. Actually, looking at the programs past record, you should easily find plenty of those, what I can access on the front page of your website seems to indicated a record of 6 losses for master level 3 losses for normal level 4 losses for easy level 14 losses, potentially 1 draw (was that real or not?!) for beginner and then there's the programs score of +5 -7 versus you personally, Sanny, which appear to be the only games the program has actually won. Why don't you just run all those losses through fritz?
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Date: 02 Sep 2007 14:47:43
From: Taylor Kingston
Subject: Re: Winners for Aug 2007 at GetClub Chess.
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On Sep 2, 1:10 pm, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote: > > My Program is just 1 year old. > > So If I call my Program GetClub1 Vs Fritz8. > > I think you should compare Getclub1 with Fritz1. > > When GetClub reaches 8th version it will beat fritz8 But Sanny, you said it could beat Fritz8 already! On 22 August you said here "GetClub Chess beat Worlds Strongest Computer Game !!!" Surely then it should beat Fritz8, which is nowhere near the strongest chess program. Yet Fritz beat yours easily. Your program is really pretty lousy at chess. And every time this is proven -- and it has been proven many, many, many times -- all you do is make silly excuses. Sanny, you need to quit lying and making ridiculous claims.
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Date: 02 Sep 2007 10:10:35
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Winners for Aug 2007 at GetClub Chess.
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On Sep 2, 7:59 pm, Taylor Kingston <[email protected] > wrote: > On Sep 2, 6:47 am, Sanny <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > So The rating are changing every month. And it is very tough to reach > > > higher levels atGetClubChess. > > > > Bye > > > Sanny > > > > PlayChessat:http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html > > > A little improvement was done, Lets see if it make it play better or > > not. > > I would say it is at least not playing as stupidly as it used to, > but still not very intelligently. Due to Sanny's claim that his > program had recently beaten "the strongest computer program in the > world," I decided to pit it against my home version of Fritz8. The > game was really no contest, but Fritz did come up with some amusing > tactical strokes, including a queen sacrifice: My Program is just 1 year old. So If I call my Program GetClub1 Vs Fritz8. I think you should compare Getclub1 with Fritz1. When GetClub reaches 8th version it will beat fritz8 Play Chess at:http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html > White: Sanny's program (at "normal" level) > Black: Fritz8 (in blitz mode -- the numbers following each move are > the time each machine took, in seconds) > > 1. Nf3 Nf6 2. Nc3 {127} d5 {0} 3. d4 {205} g6 {0} 4. Bg5 {180} Bg7 {0} > 5. Qd3 {211} O-O {8} 6. O-O-O {477} Re8 {0} 7. e4? {118} -- Perhaps > the losing move. Fritz now shows its greatly superior calculating > ability. 7...dxe4 {19} 8. Nxe4 {157} Bf5 {0} -- A very troublesome > pin. White can't break it by 9.Nxf6+, since 9...exf6 wins a piece. 9. > Bxf6 {194} exf6 {0} 10. Re1 {191} Nc6 {14} 11. Kb1 {308} Qd5 {0} -- > Fritz rated the position at about -1.45 here. 12. Nfd2 {104} Bxe4 {0} > 13. Rxe4 {174} f5 {0} 14. Rxe8+? {238} -- Relatively best was 14.Re2, > accepting the loss of a pawn. Now Fritz rates the position at about > -3.10. 14...Rxe8 {6} 15. Nf3 {272} Qxf3! {4} -- The queen sac. Of > course if White retakes on f3 then 16...Re1+ and mate quicky. 16. Qd2 > {187} Qe4 {0} 17. d5?? {172} -- There was no good move, but this is > very bad. Fritz's now saw a forced mate. 17...Qd4! {4} -- Threatening > 18...Qxb2# and therefore forcing further material loss. 18. Qc1 {132} > Re1 {0} 19. c3 {141} Rxc1+ {141} 20. Kxc1 {159} Bh6+{159} 21. Kc2 > {188} Qa4+ {188} -- At this point Sanny's program resigned. Black has > a forced mate in 4: 22. b3 Qxa2+ 23. Kd3 Ne5+ 24. Kd4 Qxf2+ 25. > Kxe5Bg7# 0-1 > > Pretty much a hare-and-tortoise affair, except that here the hare > never let up. Sanny's program simply doesn't have the speed and > calculating ability to stand up to Fritz8 even in its quickest-moving > mode. There are a few things 1. Java is 10 times slower than Native Chess. 2. Applets are again 2-3 times slower. So GetClub Chess was taking 20 times more time. However I think my game is for general players not for Matching against Computer. If you want real credit beat the Master Level without help from Fritz8 or Fritz10. Zebediah and Nomorechess has beaten Master Level, How about you? I think you can too. Tell me the mistakes in the game so that I remove them and make a stronger opponent for Players playing it. Bye Sanny Play Chess at:http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 02 Sep 2007 07:59:05
From: Taylor Kingston
Subject: Re: Winners for Aug 2007 at GetClub Chess.
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On Sep 2, 6:47 am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote: > > So The rating are changing every month. And it is very tough to reach > > higher levels atGetClubChess. > > > Bye > > Sanny > > > Play Chess at:http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html > > A little improvement was done, Lets see if it make it play better or > not. I would say it is at least not playing as stupidly as it used to, but still not very intelligently. Due to Sanny's claim that his program had recently beaten "the strongest computer program in the world," I decided to pit it against my home version of Fritz8. The game was really no contest, but Fritz did come up with some amusing tactical strokes, including a queen sacrifice: White: Sanny's program (at "normal" level) Black: Fritz8 (in blitz mode -- the numbers following each move are the time each machine took, in seconds) 1. Nf3 Nf6 2. Nc3 {127} d5 {0} 3. d4 {205} g6 {0} 4. Bg5 {180} Bg7 {0} 5. Qd3 {211} O-O {8} 6. O-O-O {477} Re8 {0} 7. e4? {118} -- Perhaps the losing move. Fritz now shows its greatly superior calculating ability. 7...dxe4 {19} 8. Nxe4 {157} Bf5 {0} -- A very troublesome pin. White can't break it by 9.Nxf6+, since 9...exf6 wins a piece. 9. Bxf6 {194} exf6 {0} 10. Re1 {191} Nc6 {14} 11. Kb1 {308} Qd5 {0} -- Fritz rated the position at about -1.45 here. 12. Nfd2 {104} Bxe4 {0} 13. Rxe4 {174} f5 {0} 14. Rxe8+? {238} -- Relatively best was 14.Re2, accepting the loss of a pawn. Now Fritz rates the position at about -3.10. 14...Rxe8 {6} 15. Nf3 {272} Qxf3! {4} -- The queen sac. Of course if White retakes on f3 then 16...Re1+ and mate quicky. 16. Qd2 {187} Qe4 {0} 17. d5?? {172} -- There was no good move, but this is very bad. Fritz's now saw a forced mate. 17...Qd4! {4} -- Threatening 18...Qxb2# and therefore forcing further material loss. 18. Qc1 {132} Re1 {0} 19. c3 {141} Rxc1+ {141} 20. Kxc1 {159} Bh6+{159} 21. Kc2 {188} Qa4+ {188} -- At this point Sanny's program resigned. Black has a forced mate in 4: 22. b3 Qxa2+ 23. Kd3 Ne5+ 24. Kd4 Qxf2+ 25. Kxe5Bg7# 0-1 Pretty much a hare-and-tortoise affair, except that here the hare never let up. Sanny's program simply doesn't have the speed and calculating ability to stand up to Fritz8 even in its quickest-moving mode.
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Date: 02 Sep 2007 11:47:42
From: Kenneth Sloan
Subject: Re: Winners for Aug 2007 at GetClub Chess.
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Taylor Kingston wrote: > On Sep 2, 6:47 am, Sanny <[email protected]> wrote: >>> So The rating are changing every month. And it is very tough to reach >>> higher levels atGetClubChess. >>> Bye >>> Sanny >>> Play Chess at:http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html >> A little improvement was done, Lets see if it make it play better or >> not. > > I would say it is at least not playing as stupidly as it used to, > but still not very intelligently. Due to Sanny's claim that his > program had recently beaten "the strongest computer program in the > world," I decided to pit it against my home version of Fritz8. Sanny did not claim his program can beat Fritz8. He claimed that it had already beaten "the strongest computer program in the world". This was a computer program which controls heavy-lifting cranes on the Seattle docks. When pitted against Sanny's program in a game of chess, it was no contest. -- Kenneth Sloan [email protected] Computer and Information Sciences +1-205-932-2213 University of Alabama at Birmingham FAX +1-205-934-5473 Birmingham, AL 35294-1170 http://www.cis.uab.edu/sloan/
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Date: 02 Sep 2007 03:47:56
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Winners for Aug 2007 at GetClub Chess.
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> So The rating are changing every month. And it is very tough to reach > higher levels atGetClubChess. > > Bye > Sanny > > Play Chess at:http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html A little improvement was done, Lets see if it make it play better or not. If in any game you find the computer has made a wrong move let me know it. Bye Sanny Play Chess at:http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 02 Sep 2007 11:40:55
From: Kenneth Sloan
Subject: Re: Winners for Aug 2007 at GetClub Chess.
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Sanny wrote: > > A little improvement was done, Lets see if it make it play better or > not. > I wonder if we could write a Parable entitled: "The programmer who cried 'It has been improved!'" -- Kenneth Sloan [email protected] Computer and Information Sciences +1-205-932-2213 University of Alabama at Birmingham FAX +1-205-934-5473 Birmingham, AL 35294-1170 http://www.cis.uab.edu/sloan/
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