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Date: 20 May 2006 20:33:50
From: Zero
Subject: Why should I play chess???
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I went to a chess club again this week. I just don't understand why some players spend time playing in tournaments, reading books, playing online, and studying positions/games, etc. What will I gain by playing chess? Will it make me more intelligent or improve my memory?? I once read that people who practice mental activities will help prevent alzheimer's disease. I think this is the disease that causes people to forget things. There were a lot of kids there too. Does it help develop their young minds?? The game just seems geeky in nature. But there must be benefits. Please let me know. Thanks.
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Date: 24 May 2006 16:27:03
From: chasmad
Subject: Re: Why should I play chess???
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^Jason `~` wrote: > ROFL! I don't play with 1600 players. > When did your coronation take place? I must have missed it. Charles
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Date: 24 May 2006 16:55:42
From: Chess Freak
Subject: Re: Why should I play chess???
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The funny thing is, he got spanked on FICS by 1600-rated players. His loss to 1600-rated PawnToQueenTen was especially hilarious to watch. Really must have crushed his inflated ego!! "chasmad" <[email protected] > wrote in message news:[email protected]...
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Date: 25 May 2006 00:49:22
From: ^Jason `~`
Subject: Re: Why should I play chess???
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Just answer me this Chess Freak. If I got "spanked" as you say....why am i still generally the highest rated player on FICS? I've now played about 120 games there so I think my rating can be considered to be quite established. At 1953, I'm almost always the highest rated "human" player on the site. I will relent this much, the ratings on FICS are lower than elsewhere, but that's only because FICS is a fucking ghost town. There's hardly anyone to play over 1600 so it's very very hard to maintiain a decent rating. After a few hours of being the highest rated player on the site (according to seek graph) I played a guy some 3 mintue games who was rated 2017 or something like that three games (won 2 of them) who I would say is clearly a master. On Playchess he would probably be around 2200-2300.....but on PlayChess he wouldn't be the highest rated......he would be in the top 10% with around 50-150 players higher rated.....many of them FM's, IM's, and GM's. And my ego isn't in a chess rating.....I like strong opponents because I am still learning in chess and desire to improve my game further. I notice that alot of online players (on all sites) will bottom feed and avoid people who seem to have their number. I, conversely, will take on all commers and love to play someone who can beat me and force me to raise the level of my play. Maybe i'm only being this diplomatic because i'm somewhat intoxicated as I type this, but perhaps we can continue to argue our differences of opinion in a more civilized tone. Do you agree? Jason "Chess Freak" <[email protected] > wrote in message news:[email protected]... > The funny thing is, he got spanked on FICS by 1600-rated players. > His loss to 1600-rated PawnToQueenTen was especially hilarious > to watch. Really must have crushed his inflated ego!! > > "chasmad" <[email protected]> wrote in message > news:[email protected]... >
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Date: 24 May 2006 11:02:04
From: Ray Gordon
Subject: Re: Why should I play chess???
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You get 72 virgins in heaven if you become champion. "Zero" <[email protected] > wrote in message news:[email protected]... >I went to a chess club again this week. I just don't understand why > some players spend time playing in tournaments, reading books, playing > online, and studying positions/games, etc. > > What will I gain by playing chess? Will it make me more intelligent or > improve my memory?? I once read that people who practice mental > activities will help prevent alzheimer's disease. I think this is the > disease that causes people to forget things. > > There were a lot of kids there too. Does it help develop their young > minds?? > > The game just seems geeky in nature. But there must be benefits. > Please let me know. Thanks. >
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Date: 25 May 2006 00:49:22
From: ^Jason `~`
Subject: Re: Why should I play chess???
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"Ray Gordon" <[email protected] > wrote in message news:[email protected]... > You get 72 virgins in heaven if you become champion. 72 virgins doesn't sound like much.......for an ETERNITY!! Jason
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Date: 23 May 2006 22:36:09
From: Nick
Subject: Re: Why should I play chess???
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Zero wrote: > I went to a chess club again this week. I just don't understand why > some players spend time playing in tournaments, reading books, > playing online, and studying positions/games, etc. "How come people who play chess act so weird and strange?" --Zero (13 May 2006) So why is Zero complaining that he does not understand the behaviour of people who 'act so weird and strange' (sic)? > What will I gain by playing chess? Will it make me more intelligent or > improve my memory?? I once read that people who practice mental > activities will help prevent alzheimer's disease. I think this is the > disease that causes people to forget things. > > There were a lot of kids there too. > Does it help develop their young minds?? > > The game just seems geeky in nature. If you are worried that you will be called a 'geek' because you play chess, then you should not play chess. > But there must be benefits. Please let me know. Thanks. The most obvious benefit of reading or writing in rec.games.chess.misc or rec.games.chess.politics (I usually avoid RGCP, apart from the cross-posting) seems to be to reassure one about the comparative moral worth of most people around one in real life. However arrogant and dishonest may be some of one's acquaintances in real life, it seems unlikely that many of them could be as appallingly arrogant and dishonest as many writers in rec.games.chess.* --Nick
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Date: 22 May 2006 11:50:30
From: JMR
Subject: Re: Why should I play chess???
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Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: > On 2006-05-22, Jason `~` wrote: > > > > "Chess Freak" <[email protected]> wrote in message > > news:[email protected]... > >> PlayChess uses a very simple rating algorithm that is not > >> well suited for online chess ratings > > > > ChessFreak, seriously, were you dropped on your head over and over again as > > a child? You can't possibly be this stupid naturally. > > PlayChess uses the same rating system as Fide with the first series of games > > being rating provisionally so that the new player is quickly put at the > > appropriate rating. It is ideal for online play. > > The FIDE system is not designed for rating games one at a time. > That is why it is not appropriate for on-line play. Bullshit. After 20 games or so you get a rating that is very accurate on the PlayChess server. > > > FICS is a crap site > > Nonsense. FICS is absolutely a crap site. Horrible interface, infested with very weak players and almost no strong players at all. I was there for several hours today and there was nobody over 2000 to play. What a fucking joke! It's worse than Yahoo. > > > with almost NO strong players. > > Not a large number, "not a large number"? Try NONE! There was nobody over 2000 for the three hours i was there today. On PlayChess there was hundreds. Admit it, you just play there because it's free and you're a cheapskate. I can see that the only way i'm going to get a fair game out of you Chris is to meet you in person and play OTB. The time controls you play makes it way too easy to consult programs and databases. JMR
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Date: 23 May 2006 00:35:37
From: Jason `~`
Subject: Re: Why should I play chess???
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Nice how you conveniently snipped the part where I was 2100 early just like i said I was. You're the liar you trembling little coward who hides behind an alias. Yeah, I took a few losses after when I was playing while talking on the phone. I got bored waiting and waiting to get a decent opponent, so had to lower my formula. There is hardly ever anyone over 2000 on that site. Just Like I said. JMR
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Date: 22 May 2006 20:38:46
From: Inna Vita
Subject: Re: Why should I play chess???
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First Jason says: "JMR" <[email protected] > wrote in message news:[email protected]... > > FICS is absolutely a crap site. Horrible interface, infested with very > weak players and almost no strong players at all. I was there for > several hours today and there was nobody over 2000 to play. What a > fucking joke! It's worse than Yahoo. > Next he says: "Jason `~`" <[email protected] > wrote in message news:tNscg.183642$WI1.132447@pd7tw2no... > Nice how you conveniently snipped the part where I was 2100 early just > like i said I was. You're the liar you trembling little coward who hides > behind an alias. Yeah, I took a few losses after when I was playing while > talking on the phone. I got bored waiting and waiting to get a decent > opponent, so had to lower my formula. There is hardly ever anyone over > 2000 on that site. Just Like I said. > > JMR > From the look of things, you went and got PWNED by 1800-1900 rated FICS players. If FICS is such crap, and the players there kicked your ass what does that make you: worse than crap? This is too funny: Jason (the grim) Repa got owned by the crap players at FICS - Bah hah.
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Date: 22 May 2006 11:42:59
From: JMR
Subject: Re: Why should I play chess???
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Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: > On 2006-05-22, Jason `~` wrote: > > > > Suit Yourself! But I still want to give you some beatings in chess. Perhaps > > I'll have to come to FICS. What time controls do you play? > > 2 12, 3 10, etc. Minimum increment of 6 seconds, but preferably 10 > or greater Ah, so in other words you're a program cheater. No wonder you prefer to play at a crap site like fics and avoid sites with integrity such as PlayChess. JMR
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Date: 22 May 2006 15:15:46
From: Chris F.A. Johnson
Subject: Re: Why should I play chess???
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On 2006-05-22, JMR wrote: > > Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: >> On 2006-05-22, Jason `~` wrote: >> > >> > Suit Yourself! But I still want to give you some beatings in chess. Perhaps >> > I'll have to come to FICS. What time controls do you play? >> >> 2 12, 3 10, etc. Minimum increment of 6 seconds, but preferably 10 >> or greater > > Ah, so in other words you're a program cheater. That's a _non_sequitur_ if ever I've heard one. FYI, I have never cheated. I do not have any chess engine running when I am playing on FICS. > No wonder you prefer to play at a crap site like fics and avoid > sites with integrity such as PlayChess. <PLONK > -- Chris F.A. Johnson <http://cfaj.freeshell.org > =================================================================== Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress)
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Date: 23 May 2006 00:24:55
From: Jason `~`
Subject: Re: Why should I play chess???
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"Chris F.A. Johnson" <[email protected] > wrote in message news:[email protected]... > On 2006-05-22, JMR wrote: >> >> Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: >>> On 2006-05-22, Jason `~` wrote: >>> > >>> > Suit Yourself! But I still want to give you some beatings in chess. >>> > Perhaps >>> > I'll have to come to FICS. What time controls do you play? >>> >>> 2 12, 3 10, etc. Minimum increment of 6 seconds, but preferably 10 >>> or greater >> >> Ah, so in other words you're a program cheater. > > That's a _non_sequitur_ if ever I've heard one. Hey, there's that logic oriented IT mind I knew was hiding inside of you! Well it may be a non-sequitur, but the fact is that most people who avoid time controls that prevent them from using program assistance, do so because they WANT to use program assistance. Where there's smoke there's fire......if the shoe fits.......if it looks like a duck, etc. If you were for real Chris, you would have no problem playing me 2 or 3 minute games. Everyone from beginner, through GM does it. > FYI, I have never cheated. I do not have any chess engine running > when I am playing on FICS. That may be true. I've got no reason to disbelieve you at this point. But I would prefer to play you under conditions whereby I KNOW you cannot use assistance. You could have scripts that will allow you to use an engine on FICS. JMR
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Date: 22 May 2006 12:34:54
From: Chess Freak
Subject: Re: Why should I play chess???
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Right on, Chris - that Jason R. dude has something crammed up his ass. I've plonked him as well. "Chris F.A. Johnson" <[email protected] > wrote in message news:[email protected]...
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Date: 23 May 2006 00:26:35
From: Jason `~`
Subject: Re: Why should I play chess???
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"Chess Freak" <[email protected] > wrote in message news:[email protected]... > Right on, Chris - that Jason R. dude has something crammed > up his ass. I've plonked him as well. YOU [PLONK] ME? ROFL!!!!! You're the idiot troll that doesn't know your head from your ass. JMR
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Date: 22 May 2006 11:37:50
From: JMR
Subject: Re: Why should I play chess???
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Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: > On 2006-05-22, Jason `~` wrote: > > > > "Chess Freak" <[email protected]> wrote in message > > news:[email protected]... > >> PlayChess uses a very simple rating algorithm that is not > >> well suited for online chess ratings > > > > ChessFreak, seriously, were you dropped on your head over and over again as > > a child? You can't possibly be this stupid naturally. > > PlayChess uses the same rating system as Fide with the first series of games > > being rating provisionally so that the new player is quickly put at the > > appropriate rating. It is ideal for online play. > > The FIDE system is not designed for rating games one at a time. > That is why it is not appropriate for on-line play. > > > FICS is a crap site > > Nonsense. > > > with almost NO strong players. > > Not a large number, true, but enough to get a good game when I want > one. > > > Only an imbecile troll like you who can't get above 1600 would > > consider it a better site than PlayChess. > > If it had a Linux interface, I'd give it a go. Until then, I am > quite happy with FICS. I think PlayChess will get along just fine without you Chris. You are free to play at FICS, Yahoo, pogo, or whatever other crappy free chess server you care to. All the top players know where to play. JMR
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Date: 21 May 2006 21:29:00
From:
Subject: Re: Why should I play chess???
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Zero wrote (20 May 2006 20:33:50 -0700) > Why should I play chess??? _ Previous Zero questions: _ Can you please recommend which [Sicilian variation] is strongest one to learn ? How come people who play chess act so weird and strange? Why does [Capablanca] say to start first with endgames when the opening comes first ? Why should I study endgames?? I played in some tournaments over the weekend. The TD told me that he submitted them online and the USCF took his money. But the USCF has not rated them yet. Why is that the case? Is Ray Gordon a secret identity for Bobby Fischer Is there a chart that I can get which tells me the number of minimum players required in a tournament that would prevent any pairing conflicts. can you recommend a good book to buy about Spassky's best games? are you the Don of chess ? Do you think that Kamsky is playing chess again because Kasparov retired from chess? why is Kamsky not playing any of the main lines like he used to play in the mid 90s. These days he is playing a lot of sidelines in the Sicilian. I was wondering ... why the super GMs don't play the standard dxc4 slav .... Instead, they are opting to play the Semi-Slav ... and the a6 Slav _ Is this person for real? Does he ever thank people after they try to help him?
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Date: 22 May 2006 02:32:22
From: Jason `~`
Subject: Re: Why should I play chess???
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>"Zero" <[email protected]> wrote in message > What will I gain by playing >chess? If you're so stupid that you need to ask that question......chess is not for you. JMR
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Date: 21 May 2006 23:13:02
From: DDEckerslyke
Subject: Re: Why should I play chess???
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Should or shouldn't!?!? Do you always have to be told what to do? If you enjoy it play it. If you don't don't. And forget all the utilitarian crap about chess improves concentration levels etc. If that's why you play then you have my sympathy. Chess rocks. cheers dd
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Date: 21 May 2006 03:07:55
From: Tom Martinak
Subject: Re: Why should I play chess???
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>I just don't understand why some players spend >time playing in tournaments, reading books, >playing online, and studying positions/games, etc. Tarrasch said that "chess, like love, like music, has the power to make men happy." - Tom tinak
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Date: 22 May 2006 02:38:36
From: Jason `~`
Subject: Re: Why should I play chess???
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"Tom tinak" <[email protected] > wrote in message news:[email protected]... > >I just don't understand why some players spend >>time playing in tournaments, reading books, >>playing online, and studying positions/games, etc. > > Tarrasch said that "chess, like love, like music, has the power to > make men happy." > > - Tom tinak > What about making women happy? Just look at the warm smile on Judit's face: http://members.shaw.ca/pics119/Judit.bmp JMR
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Date: 21 May 2006 02:49:28
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Why should I play chess???
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See WHY IS PLAY CHESS by GM Larry Evans on 5/8/06 http://wcn.tentonhammer.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=711
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Date: 21 May 2006 09:16:54
From: Wilma
Subject: Re: Why should I play chess???
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First of all, it's fun. Beyond that, practice at handling problems increases the permanency of how you handle problems outside of chess. )Practice makes perfect is incorrect. Practice makes more nearly permanent the way you solve problems). For example, do you get mad, hate yourself, give up immediately, and the like, or do you force yourself to think and see if there's a solution? Have you seen something like it before that you can use here? For example, your opponent tends to succumb to a K-side pawnroller. Let him have it. heh. All that makes up problem solving can probably be improved by playing chess and learning to solve problems encountered in chess situations. Maybe a problem solving attitude will be generalized beyond chess. That may be part of the reason men are better at this game than women. Men tend to solve problems. They're from s, you see. Women think on too many levels to solve the proble. We're from Venus, doncha know. :) Wilma "Zero" <[email protected] > wrote in news:1148182430.692664.303340 @u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com: > I went to a chess club again this week. I just don't understand why > some players spend time playing in tournaments, reading books, playing > online, and studying positions/games, etc. > > What will I gain by playing chess? Will it make me more intelligent or > improve my memory?? I once read that people who practice mental > activities will help prevent alzheimer's disease. I think this is the > disease that causes people to forget things. > > There were a lot of kids there too. Does it help develop their young > minds?? > > The game just seems geeky in nature. But there must be benefits. > Please let me know. Thanks. > >
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Date: 20 May 2006 23:11:52
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Why should I play chess???
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Play Online and see how good you are at Chess. Play with Beginner level if you are weak else play with Easy/ Normal levels. http://www.softtanks.com/chessgame/Chess.html If you win big levels you have great brains else you are stupid. I believe Chess is played to proove you are intelligent than others. And when you get into competition you improve yourself and it is the lust of winning that force you to learn Chess. Bye Sanny http://www.softtanks.com/chessgame/Chess.html
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Date: 20 May 2006 22:42:52
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Why should I play chess???
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I don't think any chess player really knows why he/she plays the game. It really is a waste of time, one gains nothing from it, and it won't hurt you to quit the game entirely. Old Haasie
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Date: 21 May 2006 07:08:56
From: Alan OBrien
Subject: Re: Why should I play chess???
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<[email protected] > wrote in message news:[email protected]... >I don't think any chess player really knows why he/she plays the game. > It really is a waste of time, one gains nothing from it, and it won't > hurt you to quit the game entirely. I believe it can slow the rate of decay of brain cells.
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Date: 22 May 2006 08:24:02
From: David J Bush
Subject: Re: Why should I play chess???
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On Sun, 21 May 2006 07:08:56 GMT, "Alan OBrien" <[email protected] > wrote:
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Date: 21 May 2006 00:01:37
From: Chris F.A. Johnson
Subject: Re: Why should I play chess???
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On 2006-05-21, Zero wrote: > I went to a chess club again this week. I just don't understand why > some players spend time playing in tournaments, reading books, playing > online, and studying positions/games, etc. > > What will I gain by playing chess? Will it make me more intelligent or > improve my memory?? I once read that people who practice mental > activities will help prevent alzheimer's disease. I think this is the > disease that causes people to forget things. If that's the way you feel, then obviously the answer is, No, you shouldn't play chess. > There were a lot of kids there too. Does it help develop their young > minds?? There are those who claim it encourages logical thought. > The game just seems geeky in nature. But there must be benefits. > Please let me know. Thanks. Why do I play chess? For: the challenge the beauty of the game for the prize money (I wish!) for a pint of beer (more realistic) etc.... -- Chris F.A. Johnson <http://cfaj.freeshell.org > =================================================================== Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress)
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Date: 22 May 2006 02:35:33
From: Jason `~`
Subject: Re: Why should I play chess???
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Where do you play online Chris? I would like to give you some beatings in blitz/bullet. JMR "Chris F.A. Johnson" <[email protected] > wrote in message news:[email protected]... > On 2006-05-21, Zero wrote: >> I went to a chess club again this week. I just don't understand why >> some players spend time playing in tournaments, reading books, playing >> online, and studying positions/games, etc. >> >> What will I gain by playing chess? Will it make me more intelligent or >> improve my memory?? I once read that people who practice mental >> activities will help prevent alzheimer's disease. I think this is the >> disease that causes people to forget things. > > If that's the way you feel, then obviously the answer is, No, you > shouldn't play chess. > >> There were a lot of kids there too. Does it help develop their young >> minds?? > > There are those who claim it encourages logical thought. > >> The game just seems geeky in nature. But there must be benefits. >> Please let me know. Thanks. > > Why do I play chess? For: > the challenge > the beauty of the game > for the prize money (I wish!) > for a pint of beer (more realistic) > etc.... > > -- > Chris F.A. Johnson <http://cfaj.freeshell.org> > =================================================================== > Author: > Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress)
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Date: 21 May 2006 23:02:26
From: Chris F.A. Johnson
Subject: Re: Why should I play chess???
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On 2006-05-22, Jason `~` wrote: > Where do you play online Chris? I would like to give you some beatings in > blitz/bullet. FICS as torchess. -- Chris F.A. Johnson <http://cfaj.freeshell.org > =================================================================== Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress)
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Date: 23 May 2006 08:15:50
From: ^Jason `~`
Subject: Re: Why should I play chess???
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ROFL! I don't play with 1600 players. "Chris F.A. Johnson" <[email protected] > wrote in message news:[email protected]... > On 2006-05-22, Jason `~` wrote: >> Where do you play online Chris? I would like to give you some beatings in >> blitz/bullet. > > FICS as torchess. > > -- > Chris F.A. Johnson <http://cfaj.freeshell.org> > =================================================================== > Author: > Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress)
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Date: 22 May 2006 04:18:59
From: Jason `~`
Subject: Re: Why should I play chess???
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"Chris F.A. Johnson" <[email protected] > wrote in message news:[email protected]... > On 2006-05-22, Jason `~` wrote: >> Where do you play online Chris? I would like to give you some beatings in >> blitz/bullet. > > FICS as torchess. I find FICS to be riddled with bugs, an absense of strong players, etc. You get what you pay for. Care to get a free trial membership at www.playchess.com ? Jason
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Date: 22 May 2006 06:06:28
From: Chess Freak
Subject: Re: Why should I play chess???
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Jason, Name 3 bugs on FICS. No strong players - LOL. Sounds like you got your ass kicked at FICS and crawled back to your inflated-rating-chess-server. CF "Jason `~`" <[email protected] > wrote in message news:TYacg.179827$P01.157304@pd7tw3no... > > "Chris F.A. Johnson" <[email protected]> wrote in message > news:[email protected]... >> On 2006-05-22, Jason `~` wrote: >>> Where do you play online Chris? I would like to give you some beatings >>> in >>> blitz/bullet. >> >> FICS as torchess. > > I find FICS to be riddled with bugs, an absense of strong players, etc. > You get what you pay for. > > Care to get a free trial membership at www.playchess.com ? > > Jason > >
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Date: 22 May 2006 15:03:13
From: Jason `~`
Subject: Re: Why should I play chess???
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"Chess Freak" <[email protected] > wrote in message news:[email protected]... > Jason, > > Name 3 bugs on FICS. No strong players - LOL. Sounds > like you got your ass kicked at FICS and crawled back to > your inflated-rating-chess-server. Chess Freak, or whatever other alias you like to hide under. You obviously have never been to the PlayChess server because you have it exactly backwards. FICS is for idiots like you that like to play an average elo opponent of 1500. I'm a master at bullet (lightening) time controls and a strong expert at blitz so I want the strongest competition possible. I play titled masters and grandmasters all the time on PlayChess. ICC is another good site for strong competition, but PlayChess has several advantages over ICC, not the least of which is a far superior interface client. There are dozens of grandmasters that play there daily, and hundreds or even thousands of masters and experts. I set my formula's lower limit to 2000-2100, and get games instantly. With those settings on FICS, I would be there all day trying to get a game. I've played on FICS. It is a cesspool of weak players with only a tiny handful of stronger players at peak hours. It is what you can expect for a free site. Maybe if you ask for some overtime at your dish-washing job, you'll be able to afford to play at a decent paid server like PlayChess. It's also common knowledge that the ratings at PlayChess are the most accurate of any online server. Get a clue moron! JMR
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Date: 23 May 2006 09:40:47
From: michael adams
Subject: Re: Why should I play chess???
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Jason `~` wrote: > Chess Freak, or whatever other alias you like to hide under. You obviously > have never been to the PlayChess server because you have it exactly > backwards. FICS is for idiots like you that like to play an average elo > opponent of 1500. I'm a master at bullet (lightening) time controls and a > strong expert at blitz so I want the strongest competition possible. I play > titled masters and grandmasters all the time on PlayChess. ICC is another > good site for strong competition, but PlayChess has several advantages over > ICC, not the least of which is a far superior interface client. * Cof, last time I looked 'playchess' wanted 45-60mins (my valuable time - my 'dial-up' effectively blocks sub-continental call center beggars) to download their interface. ICC is good enough. I'm almost certain there's no 'e' in "lightning"..
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Date: 23 May 2006 00:45:43
From: Jason `~`
Subject: Re: Why should I play chess???
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"michael adams" <[email protected] > wrote in message news:[email protected]... > Jason `~` wrote: > > >> Chess Freak, or whatever other alias you like to hide under. You >> obviously >> have never been to the PlayChess server because you have it exactly >> backwards. FICS is for idiots like you that like to play an average elo >> opponent of 1500. I'm a master at bullet (lightening) time controls and a >> strong expert at blitz so I want the strongest competition possible. I >> play >> titled masters and grandmasters all the time on PlayChess. ICC is another >> good site for strong competition, but PlayChess has several advantages >> over >> ICC, not the least of which is a far superior interface client. > > > * > > > Cof, last time I looked 'playchess' wanted 45-60mins (my valuable time - > my 'dial-up' effectively blocks sub-continental call center beggars) to > download their interface. ICC is good enough. I'm almost certain there's > no 'e' in "lightning".. Spelling and Gram are what weak-minded, clerk types focus on because they are unable to discuss the important issues. Guys like you are generally found in low-paid, entry level office jobs. Nigel short played on PlayChess for years with a dial-up internet connection so I think the problem is with you. Perhaps you don't have the intellect required to figure out how to foward ports on your router. You probably don't even know how to acess your router's configuration settings. JMR
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Date: 22 May 2006 09:44:45
From: Chess Freak
Subject: Re: Why should I play chess???
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You still didn't answer my question. In case you forgot, here it is again: What bugs are there on FICS? Can you name 3? I tried playchess - I found it to be slow and laggy, not to mention that I could not play many of the chess variants that FICS provides. I also did not like their spyware 'free chess client software' - with FICS I can use one of the dozens of free clients. Heck, I play GM/IM/FM's on FICS if I feel like it - I even beat a few GM's in blitz, so your assertion that FICS is for idiots (why do you call lower-rated players idiots???) is completely false. On most servers the average ELO is probably around 1500! (who's the idiot now, Jason?). Tell you what, I'll play you a 3 0 match on FICS - then we will see who the poser is. - CF "Jason `~`" <[email protected] > wrote in message news:Rokcg.181027$P01.169149@pd7tw3no...
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Date: 22 May 2006 18:01:23
From: Jason `~`
Subject: Re: Why should I play chess???
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Hello my frightened little friend that feels the need to hide behind and alias. After embarassing yourself like that I expected you to find some mud to bury your head in for awhile. If PlayChess was "slow and laggy" for you, you're probably running a P1 with 64 MB ram or something like that. That would explain why you're too broke to shell out $4/month to play chess at a decent server. And that "spyware" client you referred to is the reason that cheating is all but nonexistant on PlayChess. It is rampant on FICS, and the only strong players there are cheaters or programs. That exlains why you don't like it. You're probably one of those low-life losers that gets a thrill from cheating at online chess. I just tried out FICS for the hell of it and to see if it is at all improved, and if anything, it's even worse than before. There freebie interfaces all suck, there are NO strong players there at all. I easily got the rating up to 2100 and I was the top player there for several hours. Seriously troll-boy, you're as dumb as a cheap sac of bricks. Everything you said is further proof of that. I don't give free lessons to insolent jackass trolls like you. My rating stays between 2100-2350. I bet you've never had a rating better than 1600. JMR
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Date: 22 May 2006 10:01:39
From: Mike Murray
Subject: Re: Why should I play chess???
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On Mon, 22 May 2006 15:03:13 GMT, "Jason `~`" <[email protected] > wrote: >It's also common knowledge that the ratings at PlayChess are the most >accurate of any online server. Get a clue moron! Any opinion as to how the PlayChess ratings map to, e.g., USCF or FIDE or CFC ratings? For example, would the strength required to get 2000 at PlayChess give one roughly the same FIDE rating? > >JMR >
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Date: 22 May 2006 18:05:48
From: Jason `~`
Subject: Re: Why should I play chess???
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"Mike Murray" <[email protected] > wrote in message news:[email protected]... > On Mon, 22 May 2006 15:03:13 GMT, "Jason `~`" > <[email protected]> wrote: > >>It's also common knowledge that the ratings at PlayChess are the most >>accurate of any online server. Get a clue moron! > > Any opinion as to how the PlayChess ratings map to, e.g., USCF or FIDE > or CFC ratings? For example, would the strength required to get 2000 > at PlayChess give one roughly the same FIDE rating? Interesting question. Though i'm not sure a reasonable answer can be given. PlayChess has the best controls in place to avoid cheating and other violations of rating integrity, and for this reason it is considered the most accurate as online sites go. My OTB results are very similiar to my PlayChess results at the same time controls, so I personally feel it is right on the money as well. Keep in mind this is blitz/bullet and not everyone plays those time controls at the same level as their slow game. JMR
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Date: 22 May 2006 19:39:43
From: John J.
Subject: Re: Why should I play chess???
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You are absolutely right about Blitz VS slow game. Also, in my limited experience, Playchess has much stronger players than FICS. Many GM's can be seen on Playchess. There are a few players without titles who are probably GM strength at blitz like Goran Tomic. "Jason `~`" <[email protected] > wrote in message news:04ncg.181414$7a.86657@pd7tw1no... > > "Mike Murray" <[email protected]> wrote in message > news:[email protected]... >> On Mon, 22 May 2006 15:03:13 GMT, "Jason `~`" >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>It's also common knowledge that the ratings at PlayChess are the most >>>accurate of any online server. Get a clue moron! >> >> Any opinion as to how the PlayChess ratings map to, e.g., USCF or FIDE >> or CFC ratings? For example, would the strength required to get 2000 >> at PlayChess give one roughly the same FIDE rating? > > Interesting question. Though i'm not sure a reasonable answer can be > given. PlayChess has the best controls in place to avoid cheating and > other violations of rating integrity, and for this reason it is considered > the most accurate as online sites go. My OTB results are very similiar to > my PlayChess results at the same time controls, so I personally feel it is > right on the money as well. Keep in mind this is blitz/bullet and not > everyone plays those time controls at the same level as their slow game. > > JMR >
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Date: 23 May 2006 00:41:17
From: Jason `~`
Subject: Re: Why should I play chess???
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"John J." <[email protected] > wrote in message news:[email protected]... > You are absolutely right about Blitz VS slow game. > > Also, in my limited experience, Playchess has much stronger players than > FICS. Many GM's can be seen on Playchess. There are a few players without > titles who are probably GM strength at blitz like Goran Tomic. Yes, and Nigel Short is there pretty much every day. Almira Skripchenko, Elizabeth Paetz, Yasser Seirwawan, and lots of other well known GM's and WGM's are there all the time. After playing on PlayChess for awhile, you get spoiled and won't want to go anywhere else. My only complaint is that the site admin and real cocksuckers.....especially this scrawny German homosexual named "Holgier Lieske". They keep banning me from the server so I have to change my IP address alot and keep creating new free trial accounts. I used to be a paid member, but when they suspended my paid account two weeks into the year, I stopped paying. If you're not a "boat-rocker" and don't get off on insulting people after you beat them up on the chess board, you should be alright. JMR
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Date: 22 May 2006 09:53:59
From: Chess Freak
Subject: Re: Why should I play chess???
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PlayChess uses a very simple rating algorithm that is not well suited for online chess ratings (unless they changed in the last 2 years). FICS uses the Glicko rating system designed specifically for online chess servers by k Glickman (http://math.bu.edu/people/mg/glicko/index.html) that helps prevent the runaway rating inflation you see at crap servers like ICC and PlayChess. "Mike Murray" <[email protected] > wrote in message news:[email protected]...
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Date: 22 May 2006 18:09:30
From: Jason `~`
Subject: Re: Why should I play chess???
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"Chess Freak" <[email protected] > wrote in message news:[email protected]... > PlayChess uses a very simple rating algorithm that is not > well suited for online chess ratings ChessFreak, seriously, were you dropped on your head over and over again as a child? You can't possibly be this stupid naturally. PlayChess uses the same rating system as Fide with the first series of games being rating provisionally so that the new player is quickly put at the appropriate rating. It is ideal for online play. FICS is a crap site with almost NO strong players. Only an imbecile troll like you who can't get above 1600 would consider it a better site than PlayChess. JMR
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Date: 22 May 2006 12:36:58
From: Chess Freak
Subject: Re: Why should I play chess???
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FIDE's rating system does not work well for online chess servers, where one gets to pick their opponents. It really sounds like you are another obnoxious hosehead from up north who has nothing good to say, so <PLONK >. Good bye, loser. "Jason `~`" <[email protected] > wrote in message news:u7ncg.181423$7a.178425@pd7tw1no...
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Date: 22 May 2006 14:28:15
From: Chris F.A. Johnson
Subject: Re: Why should I play chess???
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On 2006-05-22, Jason `~` wrote: > > "Chess Freak" <[email protected]> wrote in message > news:[email protected]... >> PlayChess uses a very simple rating algorithm that is not >> well suited for online chess ratings > > ChessFreak, seriously, were you dropped on your head over and over again as > a child? You can't possibly be this stupid naturally. > PlayChess uses the same rating system as Fide with the first series of games > being rating provisionally so that the new player is quickly put at the > appropriate rating. It is ideal for online play. The FIDE system is not designed for rating games one at a time. That is why it is not appropriate for on-line play. > FICS is a crap site Nonsense. > with almost NO strong players. Not a large number, true, but enough to get a good game when I want one. > Only an imbecile troll like you who can't get above 1600 would > consider it a better site than PlayChess. If it had a Linux interface, I'd give it a go. Until then, I am quite happy with FICS. -- Chris F.A. Johnson <http://cfaj.freeshell.org > =================================================================== Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress)
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Date: 22 May 2006 12:18:56
From: Mike Murray
Subject: Re: Why should I play chess???
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On Mon, 22 May 2006 14:28:15 -0400, "Chris F.A. Johnson" <[email protected] > wrote: > The FIDE system is not designed for rating games one at a time. > That is why it is not appropriate for on-line play. Given a suitable sample of games, would be the difference between rating them one at a time, or clusters (as in OTB tournaments)?
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Date: 22 May 2006 01:17:26
From: Chris F.A. Johnson
Subject: Re: Why should I play chess???
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On 2006-05-22, Jason `~` wrote: > > "Chris F.A. Johnson" <[email protected]> wrote in message > news:[email protected]... >> On 2006-05-22, Jason `~` wrote: >>> Where do you play online Chris? I would like to give you some beatings in >>> blitz/bullet. >> >> FICS as torchess. > > I find FICS to be riddled with bugs, I haven't seen any bugs. > an absense of strong players, etc. There are not a lot of strong players, but there are enough that I don't lack for games. > You get what you pay for. I get more than that. -- Chris F.A. Johnson <http://cfaj.freeshell.org > =================================================================== Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress)
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Date: 22 May 2006 01:15:36
From: Chris F.A. Johnson
Subject: Re: Why should I play chess???
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On 2006-05-22, Jason `~` wrote: > > "Chris F.A. Johnson" <[email protected]> wrote in message > news:[email protected]... >> On 2006-05-22, Jason `~` wrote: >>> Where do you play online Chris? I would like to give you some beatings in >>> blitz/bullet. >> >> FICS as torchess. > > I find FICS to be riddled with bugs, an absense of strong players, etc. You > get what you pay for. > > Care to get a free trial membership at www.playchess.com ? Do you have Linux software? -- Chris F.A. Johnson <http://cfaj.freeshell.org > =================================================================== Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress)
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Date: 22 May 2006 06:37:45
From: Jason `~`
Subject: Re: Why should I play chess???
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"Chris F.A. Johnson" <[email protected] > wrote in message news:[email protected]... > On 2006-05-22, Jason `~` wrote: >> >> "Chris F.A. Johnson" <[email protected]> wrote in message >> news:[email protected]... >>> On 2006-05-22, Jason `~` wrote: >>>> Where do you play online Chris? I would like to give you some beatings >>>> in >>>> blitz/bullet. >>> >>> FICS as torchess. >> >> I find FICS to be riddled with bugs, an absense of strong players, etc. >> You >> get what you pay for. >> >> Care to get a free trial membership at www.playchess.com ? > > Do you have Linux software? No, just Windows on all my machines. Why do you ask? JMR
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Date: 22 May 2006 03:08:20
From: Chris F.A. Johnson
Subject: Re: Why should I play chess???
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On 2006-05-22, Jason `~` wrote: > > "Chris F.A. Johnson" <[email protected]> wrote in message > news:[email protected]... >> On 2006-05-22, Jason `~` wrote: >>> >>> "Chris F.A. Johnson" <[email protected]> wrote in message >>> news:[email protected]... >>>> On 2006-05-22, Jason `~` wrote: >>>>> Where do you play online Chris? I would like to give you some beatings >>>>> in >>>>> blitz/bullet. >>>> >>>> FICS as torchess. >>> >>> I find FICS to be riddled with bugs, an absense of strong players, etc. >>> You >>> get what you pay for. >>> >>> Care to get a free trial membership at www.playchess.com ? >> >> Do you have Linux software? > > No, just Windows on all my machines. Why do you ask? Because www.playchess.com requires Windows, which I do not have on any of my machines. -- Chris F.A. Johnson <http://cfaj.freeshell.org > =================================================================== Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress)
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Date: 22 May 2006 08:28:05
From: Jason `~`
Subject: Re: Why should I play chess???
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"Chris F.A. Johnson" <[email protected] > wrote in message news:[email protected]... > On 2006-05-22, Jason `~` wrote: >> >> "Chris F.A. Johnson" <[email protected]> wrote in message >> news:[email protected]... >>> On 2006-05-22, Jason `~` wrote: >>>> >>>> "Chris F.A. Johnson" <[email protected]> wrote in message >>>> news:[email protected]... >>>>> On 2006-05-22, Jason `~` wrote: >>>>>> Where do you play online Chris? I would like to give you some >>>>>> beatings >>>>>> in >>>>>> blitz/bullet. >>>>> >>>>> FICS as torchess. >>>> >>>> I find FICS to be riddled with bugs, an absense of strong players, etc. >>>> You >>>> get what you pay for. >>>> >>>> Care to get a free trial membership at www.playchess.com ? >>> >>> Do you have Linux software? >> >> No, just Windows on all my machines. Why do you ask? > > Because www.playchess.com requires Windows, which I do not have on > any of my machines. For a guy that tries to pass himself off as IT saavy, your logic skills leave much to be desired. Instead of simply stating that you don't have Windows on any of your computers in the first place, you ask me if I have Linux, which, regardless of whether or not I do or don't, has no relevance whatsoever to the question I asked you. JMR
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Date: 22 May 2006 09:35:40
From: Chris F.A. Johnson
Subject: Re: Why should I play chess???
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On 2006-05-22, Jason `~` wrote: > >>>>> >>>>> Care to get a free trial membership at www.playchess.com ? >>>> >>>> Do you have Linux software? >>> >>> No, just Windows on all my machines. Why do you ask? >> >> Because www.playchess.com requires Windows, which I do not have on >> any of my machines. > > For a guy that tries to pass himself off as IT saavy, your logic skills > leave much to be desired. Instead of simply stating that you don't have > Windows on any of your computers in the first place, you ask me if I have > Linux, which, regardless of whether or not I do or don't, has no relevance > whatsoever to the question I asked you. Then please tell me how I can use www.playchess.com with Linux and without Windows. -- Chris F.A. Johnson <http://cfaj.freeshell.org > =================================================================== Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress)
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Date: 22 May 2006 14:51:13
From: Jason `~`
Subject: Re: Why should I play chess???
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"Chris F.A. Johnson" <[email protected] > wrote in message news:[email protected]... > On 2006-05-22, Jason `~` wrote: >> >>>>>> >>>>>> Care to get a free trial membership at www.playchess.com ? >>>>> >>>>> Do you have Linux software? >>>> >>>> No, just Windows on all my machines. Why do you ask? >>> >>> Because www.playchess.com requires Windows, which I do not have on >>> any of my machines. >> >> For a guy that tries to pass himself off as IT saavy, your logic skills >> leave much to be desired. Instead of simply stating that you don't have >> Windows on any of your computers in the first place, you ask me if I have >> Linux, which, regardless of whether or not I do or don't, has no >> relevance >> whatsoever to the question I asked you. > > Then please tell me how I can use www.playchess.com with Linux and > without Windows. Why not install Windows in one of your machines, in addition to Linux. Ever heard of a dual-boot configuration?
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Date: 22 May 2006 11:39:55
From: Chris F.A. Johnson
Subject: Re: Why should I play chess???
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On 2006-05-22, Jason `~` wrote: > > "Chris F.A. Johnson" <[email protected]> wrote in message > news:[email protected]... >> On 2006-05-22, Jason `~` wrote: >>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Care to get a free trial membership at www.playchess.com ? >>>>>> >>>>>> Do you have Linux software? >>>>> >>>>> No, just Windows on all my machines. Why do you ask? >>>> >>>> Because www.playchess.com requires Windows, which I do not have on >>>> any of my machines. >>> >>> For a guy that tries to pass himself off as IT saavy, your logic skills >>> leave much to be desired. Instead of simply stating that you don't have >>> Windows on any of your computers in the first place, you ask me if I have >>> Linux, which, regardless of whether or not I do or don't, has no >>> relevance >>> whatsoever to the question I asked you. >> >> Then please tell me how I can use www.playchess.com with Linux and >> without Windows. > > Why not install Windows in one of your machines, in addition to Linux. Why? I have everything I need in Linux. If www.playchess.com can only support Windows, then that's its failing not mine. > Ever heard of a dual-boot configuration? Yes. But why would I want to? -- Chris F.A. Johnson <http://cfaj.freeshell.org > =================================================================== Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress)
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Date: 22 May 2006 16:07:40
From: Jason `~`
Subject: Re: Why should I play chess???
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"Chris F.A. Johnson" <[email protected] > wrote in message news:[email protected]... > On 2006-05-22, Jason `~` wrote: >> >> "Chris F.A. Johnson" <[email protected]> wrote in message >> news:[email protected]... >>> On 2006-05-22, Jason `~` wrote: >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Care to get a free trial membership at www.playchess.com ? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Do you have Linux software? >>>>>> >>>>>> No, just Windows on all my machines. Why do you ask? >>>>> >>>>> Because www.playchess.com requires Windows, which I do not have on >>>>> any of my machines. >>>> >>>> For a guy that tries to pass himself off as IT saavy, your logic skills >>>> leave much to be desired. Instead of simply stating that you don't have >>>> Windows on any of your computers in the first place, you ask me if I >>>> have >>>> Linux, which, regardless of whether or not I do or don't, has no >>>> relevance >>>> whatsoever to the question I asked you. >>> >>> Then please tell me how I can use www.playchess.com with Linux and >>> without Windows. >> >> Why not install Windows in one of your machines, in addition to > Linux. > > Why? I have everything I need in Linux. If www.playchess.com can > only support Windows, then that's its failing not mine. That's like saying, because you're too poor to buy a Mercedes, it's Mercedes failing. Are you for real or is this an act? I understand the advantages of Linux, but if you had a shred of sense you would realize that you need Windows for some things and would set up a DB config on at least one computer. JMR
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Date: 22 May 2006 12:43:16
From: Chris F.A. Johnson
Subject: Re: Why should I play chess???
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On 2006-05-22, Jason `~` wrote: > >>> >>> Why not install Windows in one of your machines, in addition to >> Linux. >> >> Why? I have everything I need in Linux. If www.playchess.com can >> only support Windows, then that's its failing not mine. > > > That's like saying, because you're too poor to buy a Mercedes, it's Mercedes > failing. I'm driving the Mercedes; why would I pay more for a Lada? > Are you for real or is this an act? For real. > I understand the advantages of Linux, but if you had a shred of > sense you would realize that you need Windows for some things and > would set up a DB config on at least one computer. You are wrong. I don't need Windows for anything. -- Chris F.A. Johnson <http://cfaj.freeshell.org > =================================================================== Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress)
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Date: 22 May 2006 17:52:26
From: Jason `~`
Subject: Re: Why should I play chess???
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"Chris F.A. Johnson" <[email protected] > wrote in message news:[email protected]... > On 2006-05-22, Jason `~` wrote: >> >>>> >>>> Why not install Windows in one of your machines, in addition to >>> Linux. >>> >>> Why? I have everything I need in Linux. If www.playchess.com can >>> only support Windows, then that's its failing not mine. >> >> >> That's like saying, because you're too poor to buy a Mercedes, it's >> Mercedes >> failing. > > I'm driving the Mercedes; why would I pay more for a Lada? > >> Are you for real or is this an act? > > For real. > >> I understand the advantages of Linux, but if you had a shred of >> sense you would realize that you need Windows for some things and >> would set up a DB config on at least one computer. > > You are wrong. I don't need Windows for anything. Suit Yourself! But I still want to give you some beatings in chess. Perhaps I'll have to come to FICS. What time controls do you play? JMR
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Date: 22 May 2006 14:15:26
From: Chris F.A. Johnson
Subject: Re: Why should I play chess???
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On 2006-05-22, Jason `~` wrote: > > Suit Yourself! But I still want to give you some beatings in chess. Perhaps > I'll have to come to FICS. What time controls do you play? 2 12, 3 10, etc. Minimum increment of 6 seconds, but preferably 10 or greater. -- Chris F.A. Johnson <http://cfaj.freeshell.org > =================================================================== Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress)
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Date: 22 May 2006 09:33:07
From: Chess Freak
Subject: Re: Why should I play chess???
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Huh? Do you realize how stupid you sound to those of us in the UNIX community, Jason? Windoze is certainly not a Mercedes. If you want a car analogy you might say that 'doze is the VW Beetle of OS's. "Jason `~`" <[email protected] > wrote in message news:gllcg.181241$7a.161202@pd7tw1no...
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Date: 22 May 2006 17:50:52
From: Jason `~`
Subject: Re: Why should I play chess???
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"Chess Freak" <[email protected] > wrote in message news:[email protected]... > Huh? Do you realize how stupid you sound to those of > us in the UNIX community, Jason? Windoze is certainly > not a Mercedes. If you want a car analogy you might > say that 'doze is the VW Beetle of OS's. "Chess Freak" you pathetic frightened little coward. Why are you so scared that you feel the need to hide behind an alias? And you're the idiot that thought that FICS had more strong players than PlayChess. You've made it 100% clear to everyone with an iota of knowledge of online chess that you're a know-nothing imbecile. You're even too incredibly stupid to understand the reference I made. I wasn't comparing Windows to a Mercedes you brainless troll, I was comparing PlayChess to one. JMR
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Date: 22 May 2006 08:20:35
From:
Subject: Re: Why should I play chess???
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On 2006-05-22, Chris F.A. Johnson <[email protected] > wrote: > On 2006-05-22, Jason `~` wrote: >> >> "Chris F.A. Johnson" <[email protected]> wrote in message >> news:[email protected]... >>> On 2006-05-22, Jason `~` wrote: >>>> >>>> "Chris F.A. Johnson" <[email protected]> wrote in message >>>> news:[email protected]... >>>>> On 2006-05-22, Jason `~` wrote: >>>>>> Where do you play online Chris? I would like to give you some beatings >>>>>> in >>>>>> blitz/bullet. >>>>> >>>>> FICS as torchess. >>>> >>>> I find FICS to be riddled with bugs, an absense of strong players, etc. >>>> You >>>> get what you pay for. >>>> >>>> Care to get a free trial membership at www.playchess.com ? >>> >>> Do you have Linux software? >> >> No, just Windows on all my machines. Why do you ask? > > Because www.playchess.com requires Windows, which I do not have on > any of my machines. > I've just installed PlayChess on my linux box with 'wine'. But I don't think its worth the job. The software is nothing compared to eboard + FICS. s.
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Date: 20 May 2006 20:43:17
From: samsloan
Subject: Re: Why should I play chess???
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You play chess to meet hot dykes like inello, Shahade, Crotto and Savereide.
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Date: 22 May 2006 02:33:01
From: Jason `~`
Subject: Re: Why should I play chess???
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"samsloan" <[email protected] > wrote in message news:[email protected]... > You play chess to meet hot dykes like inello, Shahade, Crotto and > Savereide. I didn't know Shahade was a dyke. JMR
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