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Date: 05 Feb 2006 18:22:14
From: Siegfried Ver Eecke
Subject: Where do I stand in chess ?
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Hello,
I am 36 yrs old and after a break of 15 years I started to play chess again.
I have the program HIARCS 10 and play often blitz on playchess. By playing
blitz, I dont have impression my playing strenght is improving and my ELO
swings from 850 to 1250 and back depending on the day.
In order to improve a litte bit I started to train on tactics and play
slower games which I like much more because it is less intuitive than blitz.
Today I played a serious game (70' 5") agains a chess engine called Nero
6.1. I know my position has been ruined by my last move wich was a blunder,
but during this game I was performing the best I could.
I would be glad if somebody have a look at this game and if he can tell me
how much of a beginner I am. I mean, do I play like a typical beginner or
are there already some signs of more intermediate play ? I am also curious
of my style which can be important later for opening choises. Now I do not
have knowledge about chess openings.
I analysed the game already with HIARCS so I do know where are my mistakes
but I still ask myself how my play can be catalogized.
I should be very glad to have an idea of this because now, I dont have an
idea at all...
Thanks a lot !
regards
Siegfried
And here is the game in *.pgn format
[Event "Computer chess game"]
[Site "VER-CWP7KI7XJFE"]
[Date "2006.02.05"]
[Round "-"]
[White "Siegfried"]
[Black "Nero 6.1"]
[Result "0-1"]
[TimeControl "4200+5"]
1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. Nc3 dxc4 4. a4 Nf6 5. Nf3 Qa5 6. Bd2 Bg4 7. Ne4 Qd5 8.
Nxf6+ exf6 9. e3 Bd6 10. Rc1 Bxf3 11. Qxf3 Qxf3 12. gxf3 b5 13. axb5 cxb5
14. Bg2 Na6 15. f4 Rb8 16. O-O Nc7 17. Ra1 a6 18. Ba5 Ne6 19. Rab1 Bc7 20.
Ra1 Bxa5 21. Rxa5 Rb6 22. Rfa1 Nc7 23. Rd1 Rd6 24. Rc1 Kd7 25. Ra3 Rb6 26.
b3 cxb3 27. Rxb3 Rd6 28. Rbc3 Ne6 29. Bh3 Ke7 30. Rc6 a5 31. Rc8 Rhd8 32.
Rxd8 Kxd8 33. Bf1 Rd5 34. Rc6 a4 35. Bg2 Rh5 36. Bf3 Rh6 37. Rb6 Nc7 38.
Be2 a3 39. Bxb5 a2
{White resigns} 0-1
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Date: 06 Feb 2006 18:11:23
From: Major Cat
Subject: Re: Where do I stand in chess ?
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Siegfried Ver Eecke wrote:
> Today I played a serious game (70' 5") agains a chess engine called Nero
> 6.1.
> [TimeControl "4200+5"]
70 minutes for what? game? Did Nero 6.1 also get 70 minutes? I
assume that "5" is some sort of increment per move, right?
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Date: 07 Feb 2006 10:37:51
From: David Richerby
Subject: Re: Where do I stand in chess ?
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Major Cat <[email protected] > wrote:
> Siegfried Ver Eecke wrote:
>> Today I played a serious game (70' 5") agains a chess engine called
>> Nero 6.1.
>>
>> [TimeControl "4200+5"]
>
> 70 minutes for what? game? Did Nero 6.1 also get 70 minutes? I
> assume that "5" is some sort of increment per move, right?
Seventy minutes on the clock at the start, plus 5s per move made.
Dave.
--
David Richerby Indelible Aluminium Chainsaw (TM):
www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~davidr/ it's like a lethal weapon that's
really light but it can't be erased!
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Date: 06 Feb 2006 14:52:40
From: Nick
Subject: Re: Where do I stand in chess ?
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Siegfried Ver Eecke wrote:
"Where do I stand in chess?"
I would recommend that you stand nowhere.
Instead, I would recommend that you sit down while
playing chess because it conserves your energy. :-)
> I am 36 yrs old and after a break of 15 years I started to play chess again.
How much chess had you played before your 'break of 15 years'?
> I have the program HIARCS 10 and play often blitz on playchess.
> By playing blitz, I dont have impression my playing strenght is improving
I would not recommend that you play too much blitz.
Blitz games tend to be superficial and may encourage some bad habits.
> and my ELO swings from 850 to 1250 and back depending on the day.
Blitz ratings often seem volatile, though your 400 point 'swing'
seems unusually large if your rating's well-established.
> In order to improve a litte bit I started to train on tactics and play slower
> games which I like much more because it is less intuitive than blitz.
I do not recommend that novice players use time controls
that they find too uncomfortably fast.
> Today I played a serious game (70' 5") agains a chess engine called
> Nero 6.1. I know my position has been ruined by my last move wich
> was a blunder, but during this game I was performing the best I could.
>
> I would be glad if somebody have a look at this game and if he can tell
> me how much of a beginner I am. I mean, do I play like a typical beginner
> or are there already some signs of more intermediate play?
Siegfried, if you introduced yourself into a chess club and played
that game as your first game, then I would conclude that you had
some previous experience of chess. I noticed 'some signs of more
intermediate play' insofar as you showed some understanding of
general principles and played many plausible moves.
> I am also curious of my style which can be important later for opening
> choises. Now I do not have knowledge about chess openings.
I would not recommend that you play your opening against a computer.
The computer would accept your gambit and defend well tactically.
It seems quite unlikely that you would know how to gain enough
compensation for the sacrificed pawn.
> I analysed the game already with HIARCS so I do know where are
> my mistakes but I still ask myself how my play can be catalogized.
> I should be very glad to have an idea of this because now,
> I dont have an idea at all...Thanks a lot !
Siegfried, assuming that you have moderate talent, I believe
that you could become an intermediate club player in a fairly
short time given sufficient study and competitive experience.
I have noticed that some players post games in RGCA
and imagine that they are playing far better than they are.
In contrast, Siegfried's attitude seems refreshingly modest
and realistic.
--Nick
> And here is the game in *.pgn format
>
> [Event "Computer chess game"]
> [Site "VER-CWP7KI7XJFE"]
> [Date "2006.02.05"]
> [Round "-"]
> [White "Siegfried"]
> [Black "Nero 6.1"]
> [Result "0-1"]
> [TimeControl "4200+5"]
>
> 1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. Nc3 dxc4 4. a4 Nf6 5. Nf3 Qa5 6. Bd2 Bg4 7. Ne4 Qd5 8.
> Nxf6+ exf6 9. e3 Bd6 10. Rc1 Bxf3 11. Qxf3 Qxf3 12. gxf3 b5 13. axb5 cxb5
> 14. Bg2 Na6 15. f4 Rb8 16. O-O Nc7 17. Ra1 a6 18. Ba5 Ne6 19. Rab1 Bc7 20.
> Ra1 Bxa5 21. Rxa5 Rb6 22. Rfa1 Nc7 23. Rd1 Rd6 24. Rc1 Kd7 25. Ra3 Rb6 26.
> b3 cxb3 27. Rxb3 Rd6 28. Rbc3 Ne6 29. Bh3 Ke7 30. Rc6 a5 31. Rc8 Rhd8 32.
> Rxd8 Kxd8 33. Bf1 Rd5 34. Rc6 a4 35. Bg2 Rh5 36. Bf3 Rh6 37. Rb6 Nc7 38.
> Be2 a3 39. Bxb5 a2
> {White resigns} 0-1
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Date: 05 Feb 2006 20:55:49
From: Ron
Subject: Re: Where do I stand in chess ?
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In article <[email protected] >,
"Siegfried Ver Eecke" <[email protected] > wrote:
> Today I played a serious game (70' 5") agains a chess engine called Nero
> 6.1. I know my position has been ruined by my last move wich was a blunder,
> but during this game I was performing the best I could.
To be fair, your position was substantially worse - probably losing -
before the blunder. After cxb3, black's queenside connected passed pawns
are a substantial positional asset for which your protected, passed
d-pawn is inadequate compensation.
While the endgame after cxb3 was poorly played by both sides, with you
missing a variety of opportunities to make life hard on black, and black
returning the favor by repeatedly giving you chances to equalize.
> I would be glad if somebody have a look at this game and if he can tell me
> how much of a beginner I am. I mean, do I play like a typical beginner or
> are there already some signs of more intermediate play ? I am also curious
> of my style which can be important later for opening choises. Now I do not
> have knowledge about chess openings.
"Beginner" and "Intermediate" are very vague terms. I think you clearly
have a lot to learn but you also are playing chess with all your pieces,
and you manage to avoiding a gross blunder until move 39 against a
computer - so that probably means you're not a rank beginner, at least.
> And here is the game in *.pgn format
>
> [Event "Computer chess game"]
> [Site "VER-CWP7KI7XJFE"]
> [Date "2006.02.05"]
> [Round "-"]
> [White "Siegfried"]
> [Black "Nero 6.1"]
> [Result "0-1"]
> [TimeControl "4200+5"]
>
> 1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. Nc3 dxc4 4. a4 Nf6 5. Nf3 Qa5 6. Bd2 Bg4 7. Ne4 Qd5 8.
> Nxf6+ exf6 9. e3 Bd6 10. Rc1 Bxf3 11. Qxf3 Qxf3 12. gxf3 b5 13. axb5 cxb5
> 14. Bg2 Na6 15. f4 Rb8 16. O-O Nc7 17. Ra1 a6 18. Ba5 Ne6 19. Rab1 Bc7 20.
> Ra1 Bxa5 21. Rxa5 Rb6 22. Rfa1 Nc7 23. Rd1 Rd6 24. Rc1 Kd7 25. Ra3 Rb6 26.
> b3 cxb3 27. Rxb3 Rd6 28. Rbc3 Ne6 29. Bh3 Ke7 30. Rc6 a5 31. Rc8 Rhd8 32.
> Rxd8 Kxd8 33. Bf1 Rd5 34. Rc6 a4 35. Bg2 Rh5 36. Bf3 Rh6 37. Rb6 Nc7 38.
> Be2 a3 39. Bxb5 a2
> {White resigns} 0-1
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