Well it *looked* like a Sicilian. Where'd Black go wrong?

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Date: 16 May 2005 02:26:10
From: Amarande
Subject: Well it *looked* like a Sicilian. Where'd Black go wrong?

I had White here. The position seems like a Sicilian, but it seems that
more or less natural Sicilian style play for Black here led to a
crushing demise from me. Still a little puzzled where Black would have
gone wrong ...

1 e4 Nf6 2 Bc4 d6 3 Nc3 c5 4 Nf3 e6 5 O-O Be7 6 d4 cxd4 7 Nxd4 O-O 8 Be3
a6 9 a4 Qc7 10 Bb3 Bd7 11 a5 Rd8 12 f4 Nc6 13 Nxc6 Qxc6 14 Bb6 Rf8 15 e5
Ne8 16 f5 Qc8 17 fxe6 fxe6 18 Qh5 d5 19 Rxf8+ Bxf8 20 Rf1 g6 21 Rxf8+
Kxf8 22 Qxh7 Ng7 23 Ne2 g5 24 Nd4 g4 25 c3 Be8 26 Bxd5 exd5 27 e6 1-0

Date: 17 May 2005 02:27:02
From: Cheeze
Subject: Re: Which is the better software?

Thanks k and John for your suggestions, but I have to pass.

I don't even trust e-bay! :-)

I'll wait for Fritz to arrive at store shelves here. Meantime, I'm
using chess base lite.

John J. wrote:
> I used to have CM long time ago. It was very strong.
>
> If you want Fritz 8 I'll be glad to buy it for you if you send me the

> money.(about $30. US) and send it to you.
>
> John
>
>
> "Cheeze" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > So Fritz seems to be the choice of the experts. This is just one
of
> > the many threads I've read where Fritz was used to analyze. But
> > unfortunately I have not seen any legitimate copies of Fritz in my
> > country (Philippines) where Chessmaster is the more common program.
If
> > Fritz 8 that much better than Chessmaster?
> >
> > John J. wrote:
> >> 11....Rd8? (Nc6 much better)
> >>
> >> 14....Rf8?! (Nxe4!)
> >>
> >> 16....Qc8? (Bd8 better)
> >>
> >> 18....d5? (dxe5 better)
> >>
> >> 25.....Be8?? (Qb8!)
> >>
> >> There you have it. Analysis according to Fritz 8 Deluxe.
> >>
> >> John
> >>
> >>
> >> "Aande" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >> news:[email protected]...
> >> >I had White here. The position seems like a Sicilian, but it
seems
> > that
> >> >more or less natural Sicilian style play for Black here led to a
> > crushing
> >> >demise from me. Still a little puzzled where Black would have
gone
> > wrong
> >> >...
> >> >
> >> > 1 e4 Nf6 2 Bc4 d6 3 Nc3 c5 4 Nf3 e6 5 O-O Be7 6 d4 cxd4 7 Nxd4
O-O
> > 8 Be3
> >> > a6 9 a4 Qc7 10 Bb3 Bd7 11 a5 Rd8 12 f4 Nc6 13 Nxc6 Qxc6 14 Bb6
Rf8
> > 15 e5
> >> > Ne8 16 f5 Qc8 17 fxe6 fxe6 18 Qh5 d5 19 Rxf8+ Bxf8 20 Rf1 g6 21
> > Rxf8+ Kxf8
> >> > 22 Qxh7 Ng7 23 Ne2 g5 24 Nd4 g4 25 c3 Be8 26 Bxd5 exd5 27 e6 1-0
> >

Date: 17 May 2005 15:29:01
From: David Richerby
Subject: Re: Which is the better software?

Cheeze <[email protected] > wrote:
> Thanks k and John for your suggestions, but I have to pass.
>
> I don't even trust e-bay! :-)
>
> I'll wait for Fritz to arrive at store shelves here. Meantime, I'm
> using chess base lite.

The London Chess Centre (http://www.chess.co.uk/) or any number of other
on-line retailers will send you a copy. If you don't want to send your
payment details over the internet, the London Chess Centre will almost
certainly accept orders by post -- you could always E-mail them to check.

Dave.

--
David Richerby Homicidal Umbrella (TM): it's like an
www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~davidr/ umbrella but it wants to kill you!

Date: 16 May 2005 09:22:39
From: Mark Houlsby
Subject: Re: Which is the better software?

IMO Fritz is better. Why not contact www.chessbase.com to ask them how
you can buy it?

Wishing you the best of luck both in that and in your chess.

Date: 16 May 2005 03:26:57
From: Cheeze
Subject: Re: Which is the better software?

So Fritz seems to be the choice of the experts. This is just one of
the many threads I've read where Fritz was used to analyze. But
unfortunately I have not seen any legitimate copies of Fritz in my
country (Philippines) where Chessmaster is the more common program. If
Fritz 8 that much better than Chessmaster?

John J. wrote:
> 11....Rd8? (Nc6 much better)
>
> 14....Rf8?! (Nxe4!)
>
> 16....Qc8? (Bd8 better)
>
> 18....d5? (dxe5 better)
>
> 25.....Be8?? (Qb8!)
>
> There you have it. Analysis according to Fritz 8 Deluxe.
>
> John
>
>
> "Aande" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >I had White here. The position seems like a Sicilian, but it seems
that
> >more or less natural Sicilian style play for Black here led to a
crushing
> >demise from me. Still a little puzzled where Black would have gone
wrong
> >...
> >
> > 1 e4 Nf6 2 Bc4 d6 3 Nc3 c5 4 Nf3 e6 5 O-O Be7 6 d4 cxd4 7 Nxd4 O-O
8 Be3
> > a6 9 a4 Qc7 10 Bb3 Bd7 11 a5 Rd8 12 f4 Nc6 13 Nxc6 Qxc6 14 Bb6 Rf8
15 e5
> > Ne8 16 f5 Qc8 17 fxe6 fxe6 18 Qh5 d5 19 Rxf8+ Bxf8 20 Rf1 g6 21
Rxf8+ Kxf8
> > 22 Qxh7 Ng7 23 Ne2 g5 24 Nd4 g4 25 c3 Be8 26 Bxd5 exd5 27 e6 1-0

Date: 16 May 2005 18:24:53
From: John J.
Subject: Re: Which is the better software?

I used to have CM long time ago. It was very strong.

If you want Fritz 8 I'll be glad to buy it for you if you send me the
money.(about $30. US) and send it to you.

John

"Cheeze" <[email protected] > wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> So Fritz seems to be the choice of the experts. This is just one of
> the many threads I've read where Fritz was used to analyze. But
> unfortunately I have not seen any legitimate copies of Fritz in my
> country (Philippines) where Chessmaster is the more common program. If
> Fritz 8 that much better than Chessmaster?
>
> John J. wrote:
>> 11....Rd8? (Nc6 much better)
>>
>> 14....Rf8?! (Nxe4!)
>>
>> 16....Qc8? (Bd8 better)
>>
>> 18....d5? (dxe5 better)
>>
>> 25.....Be8?? (Qb8!)
>>
>> There you have it. Analysis according to Fritz 8 Deluxe.
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>> "Aande" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>> >I had White here. The position seems like a Sicilian, but it seems
> that
>> >more or less natural Sicilian style play for Black here led to a
> crushing
>> >demise from me. Still a little puzzled where Black would have gone
> wrong
>> >...
>> >
>> > 1 e4 Nf6 2 Bc4 d6 3 Nc3 c5 4 Nf3 e6 5 O-O Be7 6 d4 cxd4 7 Nxd4 O-O
> 8 Be3
>> > a6 9 a4 Qc7 10 Bb3 Bd7 11 a5 Rd8 12 f4 Nc6 13 Nxc6 Qxc6 14 Bb6 Rf8
> 15 e5
>> > Ne8 16 f5 Qc8 17 fxe6 fxe6 18 Qh5 d5 19 Rxf8+ Bxf8 20 Rf1 g6 21
> Rxf8+ Kxf8
>> > 22 Qxh7 Ng7 23 Ne2 g5 24 Nd4 g4 25 c3 Be8 26 Bxd5 exd5 27 e6 1-0
>

Date: 16 May 2005 08:54:38
From: John J.
Subject: Re: Well it *looked* like a Sicilian. Where'd Black go wrong?

11....Rd8? (Nc6 much better)

14....Rf8?! (Nxe4!)

16....Qc8? (Bd8 better)

18....d5? (dxe5 better)

25.....Be8?? (Qb8!)

There you have it. Analysis according to Fritz 8 Deluxe.

John

"Aande" <[email protected] > wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I had White here. The position seems like a Sicilian, but it seems that
>more or less natural Sicilian style play for Black here led to a crushing
>demise from me. Still a little puzzled where Black would have gone wrong
>...
>
> 1 e4 Nf6 2 Bc4 d6 3 Nc3 c5 4 Nf3 e6 5 O-O Be7 6 d4 cxd4 7 Nxd4 O-O 8 Be3
> a6 9 a4 Qc7 10 Bb3 Bd7 11 a5 Rd8 12 f4 Nc6 13 Nxc6 Qxc6 14 Bb6 Rf8 15 e5
> Ne8 16 f5 Qc8 17 fxe6 fxe6 18 Qh5 d5 19 Rxf8+ Bxf8 20 Rf1 g6 21 Rxf8+ Kxf8
> 22 Qxh7 Ng7 23 Ne2 g5 24 Nd4 g4 25 c3 Be8 26 Bxd5 exd5 27 e6 1-0