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Date: 06 Jan 2007 19:27:53
From: Dave (from the UK)
Subject: TWIC games < 210

Does anyone have the collection of game from the Week in Chess under 210?

I don't simply want the games in a big PGN file, but would rather have
the zipped pgns or individual pgns for each week.
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Date: 12 Jan 2007 12:01:56
From: Tony M
Subject: Re: TWIC games < 210

On Sat, 06 Jan 2007 19:27:53 +0000, "Dave (from the UK)"
<[email protected] > wrote:

>Does anyone have the collection of game from the Week in Chess under 210?
>
>I don't simply want the games in a big PGN file, but would rather have
>the zipped pgns or individual pgns for each week.

Is .cbv format ok for you? I have them in that format, with separate
files for each week.

Tony

Date: 13 Jan 2007 16:57:06
From: Dave (from the UK)
Subject: Re: TWIC games < 210

Tony M wrote:
> On Sat, 06 Jan 2007 19:27:53 +0000, "Dave (from the UK)"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>Does anyone have the collection of game from the Week in Chess under 210?
>>
>>I don't simply want the games in a big PGN file, but would rather have
>>the zipped pgns or individual pgns for each week.
>
>
> Is .cbv format ok for you? I have them in that format, with separate
> files for each week.
>
> Tony

Yes, I expect so. I believe I can convert them if I download chessbase
light. Can you provide a link?

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Date: 13 Jan 2007 23:56:51
From: Tony M
Subject: Re: TWIC games < 210

On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:57:06 +0000, "Dave (from the UK)"
<[email protected] > wrote:

>Tony M wrote:
>> On Sat, 06 Jan 2007 19:27:53 +0000, "Dave (from the UK)"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Does anyone have the collection of game from the Week in Chess under 210?
>>>
>>>I don't simply want the games in a big PGN file, but would rather have
>>>the zipped pgns or individual pgns for each week.
>>
>>
>> Is .cbv format ok for you? I have them in that format, with separate
>> files for each week.
>>
>> Tony
>
>Yes, I expect so. I believe I can convert them if I download chessbase
>light. Can you provide a link?

Hi Dave. I've placed the files at:

http://www.eggdisk.com/files/168030_2ckrf/TWICcbv.zip

Tony

Date: 14 Jan 2007 11:21:22
From: Dave (from the UK)
Subject: Re: TWIC games < 210

Tony M wrote:

>>>>Does anyone have the collection of game from the Week in Chess under 210?

> Hi Dave. I've placed the files at:
>
> http://www.eggdisk.com/files/168030_2ckrf/TWICcbv.zip
>
> Tony

Thanks a lot Tony.

I hope to have a new release of ChessDB

http://chessdb.sourceforge.net/

out soon. This will be able to download games directly from TWIC web
site and will automatically create a database or PGN file. I thought I
would try to let it work for any TWIC issue, but of course I was stuck
since they are not on the TWIC website fur under 210.

Those files now give me some flexibility. (I probably will not get all
209 available immediately though, as converting to pgn is going to be a
bit tedious.)

Thanks once again

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Date: 17 Jan 2007 11:02:07
From: David Richerby
Subject: Re: TWIC games < 210

Dave (from the UK) <[email protected] > wrote:
> This will be able to download games directly from TWIC web
> site and will automatically create a database or PGN file.

BTW, do you mean that it will automatically download each week's TWIC
in future? If so, have you taken steps to avoid your program being a
DDOS attack on TWIC? :-)

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Date: 17 Jan 2007 16:16:08
From: Dave (from the UK)
Subject: Re: TWIC games < 210

David Richerby wrote:
> Dave (from the UK) <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>This will be able to download games directly from TWIC web
>>site and will automatically create a database or PGN file.
>
>
> BTW, do you mean that it will automatically download each week's TWIC
> in future? If so, have you taken steps to avoid your program being a
> DDOS attack on TWIC? :-)
>
>
> Dave.
>

No, currently one needs to press a "Download" button which starts the
download immediately - not some time later. It will then download from
where you last downloaded, to the current issue. So short of getting
everyone in the world to press "Download" at the same time, there will
be no such issue.

If I did do an automated download, it would be at a random time - in
much the same was as people would with a browser. I would not to set off
all downloads at one time!

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Date: 15 Jan 2007 12:35:32
From: David Richerby
Subject: Re: TWIC games < 210

Dave (from the UK) <[email protected] > wrote:
> Those files now give me some flexibility. (I probably will not get
> all 209 available immediately though, as converting to pgn is going
> to be a bit tedious.)

Making those issues of TWIC available might be a breach of copyright
-- you should probably check with the TWIC people that they don't
mind.

(There's a thing called compilation copyright, which is much more
draconian than ordinary copyright and applies even though the games
themselves are not subject to copyright. The copyright exists in the
compilation itself so it would not suffice merely to obtain the same
set of games independently.)

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Date: 15 Jan 2007 20:45:51
From: Tony M
Subject: Re: TWIC games < 210

On 15 Jan 2007 12:35:32 +0000 (GMT), David Richerby
<[email protected] > wrote:

>Dave (from the UK) <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Those files now give me some flexibility. (I probably will not get
>> all 209 available immediately though, as converting to pgn is going
>> to be a bit tedious.)
>
>Making those issues of TWIC available might be a breach of copyright
>-- you should probably check with the TWIC people that they don't
>mind.
>
>(There's a thing called compilation copyright, which is much more
>draconian than ordinary copyright and applies even though the games
>themselves are not subject to copyright. The copyright exists in the
>compilation itself so it would not suffice merely to obtain the same
>set of games independently.)
>
>
>Dave.

I thought about that after I posted the link. I figured that it
wouldn't be a problem, because there are no annotations.
Nevertheless, I removed the file in question.

Tony

Date: 16 Jan 2007 16:28:32
From: David Richerby
Subject: Re: TWIC games < 210

Tony M <[email protected] > wrote:
> David Richerby <[email protected]> wrote:
>> (There's a thing called compilation copyright, which is much more
>> draconian than ordinary copyright and applies even though the games
>> themselves are not subject to copyright. The copyright exists in
>> the compilation itself so it would not suffice merely to obtain the
>> same set of games independently.)
>
> I thought about that after I posted the link. I figured that it
> wouldn't be a problem, because there are no annotations.

This is the difference between ordinary and compilation copyright. :-(

Reproducing somebody's annotations would fall foul of ordinary
copyright; reproducing somebody's database, even of unannotated games,
falls foul of compilation copyright. (To the best of my under-
standing. I am not a lawyer. This is not legal advice. Etc.)

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Date: 16 Jan 2007 22:44:36
From: Dave (from the UK)
Subject: Re: TWIC games < 210

David Richerby wrote:

>>I thought about that after I posted the link. I figured that it
>>wouldn't be a problem, because there are no annotations.
>
>
> This is the difference between ordinary and compilation copyright. :-(
>
> Reproducing somebody's annotations would fall foul of ordinary
> copyright; reproducing somebody's database, even of unannotated games,
> falls foul of compilation copyright. (To the best of my under-
> standing. I am not a lawyer. This is not legal advice. Etc.)
>
>
> Dave.
>

I asked on uk.legal and the concensus there seems to be that the act of
sticking chess games together is is not creative and so would not be
covered by copyright.

Of course, if I stick it on a web server in the US (which is probaby
where I would do it), it might be different.

I've asked TWIC. I doubt they will object myself.

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Date: 16 Jan 2007 14:38:24
From: Dave (from the UK)
Subject: Re: TWIC games < 210

Tony M wrote:

>>Making those issues of TWIC available might be a breach of copyright
>>-- you should probably check with the TWIC people that they don't
>>mind.
>>
>>(There's a thing called compilation copyright, which is much more
>>draconian than ordinary copyright and applies even though the games
>>themselves are not subject to copyright. The copyright exists in the
>>compilation itself so it would not suffice merely to obtain the same
>>set of games independently.)
>>
>>
>>Dave.
>
>
> I thought about that after I posted the link. I figured that it
> wouldn't be a problem, because there are no annotations.
> Nevertheless, I removed the file in question.
>
> Tony

I'll check with TWIC. I really can't see them complaining, but nothing
is lost in asking.

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