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Date: 15 Aug 2005 18:05:23
From: knucmo
Subject: Should I have drawn?
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[Event "FICS rated standard game"]
[Site "FICS, San Jose, California USA"]
[Date "2005.08.14"]
[Round "-"]
[White "VindalooMan"]
[Black "Jouanny, Steven"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "C42"]
[WhiteElo "1705"]
[BlackElo "1539"]
[Opening "Petrov's Defence"]
[Time "13:42:21"]
[TimeControl "3600+60"]
[Mode "ICS"]
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. Nxe5 d6 4. Nf3 Nxe4 5. d4 d5 6. Bd3 Bd6 7. O-O
O-O 8. Re1
Re8 9. c4 Bb4 10. Nc3 Nxc3 11. Rxe8+ Qxe8 12. bxc3 Bxc3 13. Bxh7+ Kh8
14. Rb1
dxc4 15. Bc2 f6 16. Bd2 Bxd2 17. Qxd2 Qf7 18. Be4 Nc6 19. Qc3 Nd8 20.
Nd2 Rb8
21. Nxc4 Be6 22. Rb4 Qh5 23. Nd2 c6 24. Qg3 Rc8 25. Qd6 Bxa2 26. Qf8+
Bg8 27.
Rxb7 Nxb7 28. Qxc8 Nd6 29. Bf3 Qh6 30. Qh3 Qxh3 31. gxh3 Bd5 32. Bxd5
cxd5
{Game drawn by mutual agreement} 1/2-1/2
I have just signed up for FICS, and played this game recently, it has
to be one of the tightest games I've played. I know the Petrov has
associations with draws, but I've beaten a few experienced players who
simply did not revise their opening theory on the Petroff. I've
prepared my own analysis of events (not posted here), but I didn't see
any chance of a Black victory. My strategy and plan played fairly
well. Or did I just take the easy option by drawing?
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Date: 16 Aug 2005 00:23:59
From: Antonio Torrecillas
Subject: Re: Should I have drawn?
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En/na knucmo ha escrit:
> I have just signed up for FICS, and played this game recently, it has
> to be one of the tightest games I've played. I know the Petrov has
> associations with draws, but I've beaten a few experienced players who
> simply did not revise their opening theory on the Petroff. I've
> prepared my own analysis of events (not posted here), but I didn't see
> any chance of a Black victory. My strategy and plan played fairly
> well. Or did I just take the easy option by drawing?
I think the best advice is "to play" next time.
In this case I think you have a big advantage but you can learn more
playing that ending than reading the opinion of other players here.
AT
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Date: 15 Aug 2005 22:54:35
From: David Richerby
Subject: Re: Should I have drawn?
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knucmo <[email protected] > wrote:
> [Event "FICS rated standard game"]
> [Site "FICS, San Jose, California USA"]
> [Date "2005.08.14"]
> [Round "-"]
> [White "VindalooMan"]
> [Black "Jouanny, Steven"]
> [Result "1/2-1/2"]
>
> 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. Nxe5 d6 4. Nf3 Nxe4 5. d4 d5 6. Bd3 Bd6 7. O-O
> O-O 8. Re1 Re8 9. c4 Bb4 10. Nc3 Nxc3 11. Rxe8+ Qxe8 12. bxc3 Bxc3
> 13. Bxh7+
I'm probably missing something but isn't this sacrifice completely
unsound? After 13... Kxh7 14.Ng5+ Kg8, White doesn't seem to have any
kind of mating attack and his rook's still en prise.
Dave.
--
David Richerby Aquatic Beefy Dish (TM): it's like a
www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~davidr/ fine ceramic dish that's made from a
cow but it lives in the sea!
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Date: 16 Aug 2005 00:22:06
From: Antonio Torrecillas
Subject: Re: Should I have drawn?
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En/na David Richerby ha escrit:
> knucmo <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>[Event "FICS rated standard game"]
>>[Site "FICS, San Jose, California USA"]
>>[Date "2005.08.14"]
>>[Round "-"]
>>[White "VindalooMan"]
>>[Black "Jouanny, Steven"]
>>[Result "1/2-1/2"]
>>
>>1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. Nxe5 d6 4. Nf3 Nxe4 5. d4 d5 6. Bd3 Bd6 7. O-O
>>O-O 8. Re1 Re8 9. c4 Bb4 10. Nc3 Nxc3 11. Rxe8+ Qxe8 12. bxc3 Bxc3
>>13. Bxh7+
>
>
> I'm probably missing something but isn't this sacrifice completely
> unsound? After 13... Kxh7 14.Ng5+ Kg8, White doesn't seem to have any
> kind of mating attack and his rook's still en prise.
>
>
> Dave.
Better is 14.Qc2 or Qd3 menacing the Bc3 and the king
White recover his piece and has excellent attacking chances
AT
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Date: 15 Aug 2005 11:33:26
From:
Subject: Re: Should I have drawn?
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In the final position, I think Black has excellent winning chances,
because of his passed a-pawn and White's inferior pawn structure.
Frankly, I don't see how White can hold. If his king tries to move over
to the queenside to nab the a-pawn, Black simply advances Kh8-h7-g5-h4
etc, gobbling up the helpless kingside pawns, then advancing his own.
If the white king stays kingside, Black will eventually advance the
a-pawn with decisive effect.
That, at least, is my general impression. I certainly would not have
taken a draw in the position after move 32, unless, say, a draw would
clinch first place in a tournament or something like that. Black has
almost no chance to lose, and everything to gain by playing on.
knucmo wrote:
> [Event "FICS rated standard game"]
> [Site "FICS, San Jose, California USA"]
> [Date "2005.08.14"]
> [Round "-"]
> [White "VindalooMan"]
> [Black "Jouanny, Steven"]
> [Result "1/2-1/2"]
> [ECO "C42"]
> [WhiteElo "1705"]
> [BlackElo "1539"]
> [Opening "Petrov's Defence"]
> [Time "13:42:21"]
> [TimeControl "3600+60"]
> [Mode "ICS"]
>
> 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. Nxe5 d6 4. Nf3 Nxe4 5. d4 d5 6. Bd3 Bd6 7. O-O
> O-O 8. Re1
> Re8 9. c4 Bb4 10. Nc3 Nxc3 11. Rxe8+ Qxe8 12. bxc3 Bxc3 13. Bxh7+ Kh8
> 14. Rb1
> dxc4 15. Bc2 f6 16. Bd2 Bxd2 17. Qxd2 Qf7 18. Be4 Nc6 19. Qc3 Nd8 20.
> Nd2 Rb8
> 21. Nxc4 Be6 22. Rb4 Qh5 23. Nd2 c6 24. Qg3 Rc8 25. Qd6 Bxa2 26. Qf8+
> Bg8 27.
> Rxb7 Nxb7 28. Qxc8 Nd6 29. Bf3 Qh6 30. Qh3 Qxh3 31. gxh3 Bd5 32. Bxd5
> cxd5
> {Game drawn by mutual agreement} 1/2-1/2
>
> I have just signed up for FICS, and played this game recently, it has
> to be one of the tightest games I've played. I know the Petrov has
> associations with draws, but I've beaten a few experienced players who
> simply did not revise their opening theory on the Petroff. I've
> prepared my own analysis of events (not posted here), but I didn't see
> any chance of a Black victory. My strategy and plan played fairly
> well. Or did I just take the easy option by drawing?
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Date: 15 Aug 2005 19:43:06
From: knucmo
Subject: Re: Should I have drawn?
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On 15 Aug 2005 11:33:26 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
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> In the final position, I think Black has excellent winning chances,
>because of his passed a-pawn and White's inferior pawn structure.
>Frankly, I don't see how White can hold. If his king tries to move over
>to the queenside to nab the a-pawn, Black simply advances Kh8-h7-g5-h4
>etc, gobbling up the helpless kingside pawns, then advancing his own.
>If the white king stays kingside, Black will eventually advance the
>a-pawn with decisive effect.
> That, at least, is my general impression. I certainly would not have
>taken a draw in the position after move 32, unless, say, a draw would
>clinch first place in a tournament or something like that. Black has
>almost no chance to lose, and everything to gain by playing on.
I think the true reason was that it was getting near bedtime for me.
I probably overlooked such advantages in my approaching fatigue.
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