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Date: 21 Oct 2005 03:04:04
From: Vasileios Zografos
Subject: Reti openning
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Hi,
I have been using the Reti openning for quite sometime now and some of its
variants (Barcza etc) and thought it was a solid defensive opening that
actually has won me some games in the past.
However, in one of my recent games I came accross this variant (I have
white):
1. Nf3 Nc6 2. g3 e5 3. d3 d5 4. Nb-d2 Nf6 5. Bg2 e4 6. dxe4 dxe4 7. Ng5 e3
8. fxe3 which will probably continue as Ng4 for black
now this position is quite difficult for white with possible traps for the
night at g5 and the queen and there is also the possibility for black to
stop white from castling Qxd1 Kxd1 later on. If you see with most
continuations black is calling all the shots and white is resulted in
playing defensively in his half of the board. Also the only 2 or 3 gm games
I found online with this openning all ended in black's favour.
I thought of using the continuation after 8...Ng4
9.Nde4 Qxd1+ 10.Kxd1 h6 11.Nh3 Bf5 12.Bd2 .O-O-O 13.Ke1 Bxe4 14.Bxe4
which perhaps gives some space for white to develop.
What do you guys think? Any alternative ways to continue this?
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Date: 23 Oct 2005 02:09:17
From: matt -`;'-
Subject: Re: Reti openning
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"Vasileios Zografos" <[email protected] > wrote in message news:1129860215.7c7fc46e14c6c6d98cb69f39831f6226@teranews...
> Hi,
> I have been using the Reti openning for quite sometime now and some of its
> variants (Barcza etc) and thought it was a solid defensive opening that
> actually has won me some games in the past.
> However, in one of my recent games I came accross this variant (I have
> white):
>
> 1. Nf3 Nc6 2. g3 e5 3. d3 d5 4. Nb-d2 Nf6 5. Bg2 e4 6. dxe4 dxe4 7. Ng5 e3
> 8. fxe3 which will probably continue as Ng4 for black
>
> now this position is quite difficult for white with possible traps for the
> night at g5 and the queen and there is also the possibility for black to
> stop white from castling Qxd1 Kxd1 later on. If you see with most
> continuations black is calling all the shots and white is resulted in
> playing defensively in his half of the board. Also the only 2 or 3 gm games
> I found online with this openning all ended in black's favour.
>
> I thought of using the continuation after 8...Ng4
>
> 9.Nde4 Qxd1+ 10.Kxd1 h6 11.Nh3 Bf5 12.Bd2 .O-O-O 13.Ke1 Bxe4 14.Bxe4
>
> which perhaps gives some space for white to develop.
>
> What do you guys think? Any alternative ways to continue this?
>
>
Here is my small thought:
1. Nf3 Nc6 2. g3 e5 3. d3 d5 4. Nbd2 Nf6 5. Bg2 e4 6. dxe4 dxe4 7. Ng5 e3 8.
fxe3 Bb4 9. a3 (9. c3 Bc5) 9... Bc5 10. e4 O-O 11. b4 Be3 12. h4 h6 13. Nh3 Ne5
14. Bb2 Neg4 {And white is toast.} *
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Date: 22 Oct 2005 13:08:17
From: Vasileios Zografos
Subject: Re: Reti openning
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Gentlemen,
thank you for your answers, but my question was more a "what now" rather
that a "how do I normally".
I decided to use my original line and luckily (for me) he blundered short
after. The game progressed as follows:
8. fxe3 Ng4 9. Nde4 Qxd1+ 10. Kxd1 h6
11. Nh3 Bf5 12. Bd2 Bxe4 13. Bxe4 Bb4 14. Bxc6+ bxc6 15. Bxb4
"Vasileios Zografos" <[email protected] > wrote in message
news:1129860215.7c7fc46e14c6c6d98cb69f39831f6226@teranews...
> Hi,
> I have been using the Reti openning for quite sometime now and some of its
> variants (Barcza etc) and thought it was a solid defensive opening that
> actually has won me some games in the past.
> However, in one of my recent games I came accross this variant (I have
> white):
>
> 1. Nf3 Nc6 2. g3 e5 3. d3 d5 4. Nb-d2 Nf6 5. Bg2 e4 6. dxe4 dxe4 7. Ng5 e3
> 8. fxe3 which will probably continue as Ng4 for black
>
> now this position is quite difficult for white with possible traps for the
> night at g5 and the queen and there is also the possibility for black to
> stop white from castling Qxd1 Kxd1 later on. If you see with most
> continuations black is calling all the shots and white is resulted in
> playing defensively in his half of the board. Also the only 2 or 3 gm
> games I found online with this openning all ended in black's favour.
>
> I thought of using the continuation after 8...Ng4
>
> 9.Nde4 Qxd1+ 10.Kxd1 h6 11.Nh3 Bf5 12.Bd2 .O-O-O 13.Ke1 Bxe4 14.Bxe4
>
> which perhaps gives some space for white to develop.
>
> What do you guys think? Any alternative ways to continue this?
>
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Date: 21 Oct 2005 09:25:00
From:
Subject: Re: Reti openning
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Vasileios Zografos wrote:
> Hi,
> However, in one of my recent games I came accross this variant (I have
> white):
>
> 1. Nf3 Nc6 2. g3 e5 3. d3 d5 4. Nb-d2 Nf6 5. Bg2 e4 6. dxe4 dxe4 7. Ng5 e3
> 8. fxe3 which will probably continue as Ng4 for black
After 1.Nf3 Nc6 2.d4, Black has few reasonable options. 2...d5 3.c4
transposes to the Chigorin Defense to the Queen's Gambit. If Black is
not well booked, he can get into trouble fast in this line. However, if
he is prepared, his playing 1...Nc6 is an invitation for you to enter
his waters. You can avoid all the critical lines by continuing in Reti
style 3.g3.
Aaron Summerscale, in "A Killer Chess Opening repertoire, recommends
3.Bf4, which he says is "not the most challenging reply, it is easier
to play and remember than most of the complex main lines of Chigorin
Defence, and is definitely not as innocuous as it may look." He gives
the sample game Garcia Ilundain - Narciso, Saragossa 1995: 1.d4 d5
2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bf4 Bg4 e3 e6 5.c4 Nf6 6.Nc3 Bb4 7.Bg5 dxc4 8.Bxc4 h6 9.Bh4
0-0 10.Be2 Be7 11.0-0 Nd5 12.Bg3 Bd6 13.Rc1 Bxg3 14.hxg3 Nxc3 15.Rxc3
Ne7 16.Qb3 Qb8 17.Bc4 Bxf3 18.gxf3 c6 19.Kg2 Nd5 20.Rcc1 Rd8 21.f4 "and
White, with bishop against knight and kingside attacking chances ...
was better."
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Date: 24 Oct 2005 09:54:34
From: Peter Billam
Subject: Re: Reti openning
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Vasileios Zografos wrote:
> in one of my recent games I came accross this variant (I have white):
> 1. Nf3 Nc6 2. g3 e5 3. d3 d5 4. Nb-d2 Nf6 5. Bg2 e4 6. dxe4 dxe4
> 7. Ng5 e3 8. fxe3 which will probably continue as Ng4 for black
In article <[email protected] >,
[email protected] wrote:
> After 1.Nf3 Nc6 2.d4, Black has few reasonable options. 2...d5 3.c4
> transposes to the Chigorin Defense to the Queen's Gambit. If Black is
> not well booked, he can get into trouble fast in this line. However, if
> he is prepared, his playing 1...Nc6 is an invitation for you to enter
> his waters.
With Black I play ...Nc6 for this reason, and have a good record when
White continues on auto-pilot and finds himself in a reversed Pirc.
Two games: (evaluations in 1/100's of pawn, from Black's point of view)
[Event "Hobart Open"]
[Date "2004.06.13"]
[Round "4"]
[White "John Slidziunas"]
[Black "Peter Billam"]
[WhiteELO "1800"]
[Result "0-1"]
1. Nf3 d5 2. g3 Nc6 3. Bg2 e5 4. d3 Bg4 5. O-O Qd7 6. Re1?! O-O-O 7. Nbd2?
e4 8. dxe4 dxe4 9. Ng5 e3 10. fxe3 Bc5 11. Kf2 Bxe3+ 12. Kf1 Bxg5 0-1
[Event "HICC ch"]
[Date "2005.06.29"]
[Round "6"]
[White "Charles Chadwick"]
[Black "Peter Billam"]
[Result "0-1"]
1. Nf3 d5 2. g3 Nc6 3. Bg2 e5 4. d3 Bg4 5. O-O Qd7 6. Nbd2
{ 6. Nc3 O-O-O 7. e4
d4 8. Nd5 Nge7
9. Qe1
9. c4 dc3 10. Nxc3 f6
de4 8. de4 Qe6 9. Nd5 Nf6 10. Bg5 h6 11. Bf6 gf6 12. c4 f5 13. ef5 Bf5 +85
6. c3 O-O-O 7. b4 Bd6
8. e4
8. Qa4 Kb8 9. b5 Nce7 10. Be3 Nc8 11. Nbd2 h5 +80
}
6... Nf6 7. e4 O-O-O 8. ed5 Nxd5 9. Qe1 f6 10. a3 Bh3
{ 10... g5?! 11. b4 h5 12. Bb2 h4 13. b5 Na5 14. c4 +69 hmm }
11. b4 h5 12. Bb2 h4
{ 12... Bxg2 13. Kxg2 g5 +110 }
13. Nxh4
{ 13. Bxh3 Qxh3 14. Nxh4 g5 15. Nhf3 Nhf4 16. gf4 g4
17. Qe4 gf3 18. Nxf3 f5 19. Qe2 Qg4+ 20. Kh1 Rxh2+ -+ }
13... Rxh4 14. gh4 Qg4 15. Qe4 Nf4 16. Qf3 Qg6
{ 16... Qxg2+ 17. Qxg2 Nxg2 +270 }
17. Rfe1
{ 17. h5 Qg5 18. Ne4 Qxg2+ 19. Qxg2 Bxg2 20. Rfe1 Bxe4 21. Rxe4 Rd5 +209 }
17... Bxg2
{ 17... Qxg2 18. Qxg2 Nxg2 19. Re4 Nf4 +220 }
18. Qg3 Qh5 19. f3 Bh3 20. Ne4
{ 20. Nc4 Be6 +322 }
20... Ne7 21. Qf2 Kb8?!
{ 21... Nf5 22. Ng3 Qg6 23. h5 Nxh5 24. Kh1 Nf4 25. Rg1 Qe8 26. Ne4 Nd4 +328 }
22. Bc1 Neg6 23. Bxf4
{ 23. Ng3 Qxh4 24. Ne4 Qh7 +326 }
23... ef4! 24. Nc5
{ 24. Kh1 Nxh4 25. Nd2 Bg2+ 26. Kg1 Bxf3 +502 }
24... Bxc5 25. bc5 Nxh4 26. Re7 Qg5+ 27. Kh1 Bxg2+ 0-1
My advice to White would be, unless you play the real Pirc with Black,
don't drift into a reversed Pirc. Play d4 and learn some Tschigorin
line with an early Nf3.
> You can avoid all the critical lines by continuing in Reti style 3.g3.
Good advice.
> Aaron Summerscale, in "A Killer Chess Opening repertoire, recommends
> 3.Bf4, which he says is "not the most challenging reply, it is easier
> to play and remember than most of the complex main lines of Chigorin
> Defence, and is definitely not as innocuous as it may look." He gives
> the sample game Garcia Ilundain - Narciso, Saragossa 1995: 1.d4 d5
> 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bf4 Bg4 e3 e6 5.c4 Nf6 6.Nc3 Bb4 7.Bg5 dxc4 8.Bxc4 h6 9.Bh4
> 0-0 10.Be2 Be7 11.0-0 Nd5 12.Bg3 Bd6 13.Rc1 Bxg3 14.hxg3 Nxc3 15.Rxc3
> Ne7 16.Qb3 Qb8 17.Bc4 Bxf3 18.gxf3 c6 19.Kg2 Nd5 20.Rcc1 Rd8 21.f4 "and
> White, with bishop against knight and kingside attacking chances ...
> was better."
After 7. Bg5 then 7... dc4 must be wrong. Better 7... h6 immediately.
The line I'm (as Black) scared of is
7. Rc1 Ne4!? 8. Qb3 a5!? 9. cd5
(not 9. Ne5? a4 10. Qc2 Nxe5 11. Bxe5 a3-+)
9... a4 10. Qc2 ed5
a. 11. a3? Nxc3! 12. axb4 Na2 13. Bb5 (or 13. Bg5? f6 14. b5 Ncb4
or 13. b5 Ncb4 14. Qxc7 Nxc1 or 13. Ra1 Naxb4 14. Qd1 Bf5) or
13. Ne5 Nxe5 14. Bxe5 Nxc1) 13... O-O 14. Ng5 g6 15. Ra1 Naxb4
16. Qd2 f6 17. Nf3 Bxf3 18. gf3 Qe7 +79
b. 11. Bb5!? is a tightrope 11... a3! 12. Ne5 ab2! 13. Qxb2
Bxc3+! 14. Rxc3 Nxc3 15. Nxc6 bxc6 16. Bxc6+ Bd7 17. Bxa8 Na4
18. Qb7 O-O 19. Bxc7 Qxa8 20. Qxa8 Rxa8 21. Kd2 Nb2 22. Ra1
Nc4+ 23. Ke2 Kf8 is good for Black :-)
c. 11. Bd3! a3! 12. Bxe4 axb2 13. Qxb2 de4 14. Nd2 O-O 15. Ndxe4 Ba3
"with advantage" according to Bronznik, but 16. Qxb7 Na5 17. Qb1 Rb8
18. Qc2 Bxc1 19. Ng5! Bd2+ 20. Qxd2 and I think White is better:
20... h6 21. Nf3 (or Nge4 -32) Bxf3 22. gf3 Re8 -30
Can Black be rescued in line c. ?
Regards, Peter
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TAS/DPIWE/CIT/Servers hbt/lnd/l8 6233 3061 http://www.pjb.com.au
And how sweet a story it is, when you hear Charley Parker tell it
- Kerouac, Mexico City Blues
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Date: 20 Oct 2005 20:18:20
From:
Subject: Re: Reti openning
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If the position is uncomfortable, don't allow it.
After 1.Nf3 Nc6, 2.d4 seems indicated (among others like; 2.e4 or
2.c4). The point is that there are many positions arising from the
combination of White's d4 and Nf3 where Black's Knight will be blocking
the c-Pawn.
Black does have King's Indian and Chigorin defenses available though.
After 2.c4, White can continue the Reti system too.
It's good to control the center from afar but there's nothing against
grabbing some of it up front, especially if Black doesn't act quickly.
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Date: 21 Oct 2005 18:54:53
From: Louis
Subject: Re: Reti openning
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[email protected] Wrote:
> If the position is uncomfortable, don't allow it.
>
> After 1.Nf3 Nc6, 2.d4 seems indicated (among others like; 2.e4 or
> 2.c4). The point is that there are many positions arising from the
> combination of White's d4 and Nf3 where Black's Knight will b
> blocking
> the c-Pawn.
>
> Black does have King's Indian and Chigorin defenses available though.
>
> After 2.c4, White can continue the Reti system too.
>
> It's good to control the center from afar but there's nothing against
> grabbing some of it up front, especially if Black doesn't act quickly.
Isn't playing pawn to c4 required for a Reti
--
Louis
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