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Date: 12 Dec 2008 09:41:08
From: Sanny
Subject: Quickest Mate by Rybka.
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Rybka beat Easy Level in just 16 moves. What was the wrong move that lead to such a quick loss? Was there any way to delay the Mate? Game Played between sanjay11 and easy at GetClub.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- sanjay11: (White) easy: (Black) Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM33862&game=Chess -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- White -- Black (sanjay11) -- (easy) 1. e2-e4{4} e7-e6{0} 2. d2-d4{10} d7-d5{0} 3. Nb1-c3{8} Bf8-b4{0} 4. e4-e5{8} c7-c5{0} 5. a2-a3{6} Bb4-c3{0} 6. b2-c3{6} Ng8-e7{0} 7. Qd1-g4{8} Ne7-f5{22} 8. Bf1-d3{10} Ke8-g8{38} 9. Ng1-f3{10} c5-c4{20} 10. Bd3-f5{12} e6-f5{40} 11. Qg4-g3{10} Rf8-e8{98} 12. Ke1-g1{10} Nb8-c6{54} 13. Bc1-g5{14} Qd8-d7{66} 14. Bg5-f6{12} g7-g6{26} 15. Qg3-f4{12} Nc6-d8{28} 16. Qf4-h6{18} Nd8-e6{0} -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- sanjay11: (White) easy: (Black) Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM33862&game=Chess The First 6 moves were the opening moves. After that which move was wrong that GetClub should not have played? Bye Sanny Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 13 Dec 2008 21:49:33
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Chrisf win in 14 moves only.
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On Dec 14, 7:06=A0am, "[email protected]" <[email protected] > wrote: > I thought GitClub was recently improved 10**4 times, or some such; if > so, why is it losing ("loosing") so badly? I only showyou the games where GetClub looses. While there are many games where it has won and I do not post them here. Because to improve GetClub I have to focus on lost games and not those which he wins. Bye Sanny Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 13 Dec 2008 20:48:31
From:
Subject: Re: Quickest Mate by Rybka.
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On Dec 12, 2:06 pm, [email protected] wrote: > On Dec 12, 9:41 am, Sanny <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > After that which move was wrong that GetClub should not have played? > > Figure it out for yourself, you idiot. > > jm If all you "helpful" people would just stop answering him, he just might go away. Please, please, please, get a killfile, use it, and just maybe you can hold back. It's well past time for just ignoring this inconsiderate spammer. K
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Date: 13 Dec 2008 18:06:00
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Chrisf win in 14 moves only.
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I thought GitClub was recently improved 10**4 times, or some such; if so, why is it losing ("loosing") so badly?
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Date: 12 Dec 2008 21:48:44
From: Sanny
Subject: Chrisf win in 14 moves only.
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Chrisf played against Beginner Level and found a faster Mate. He found Mate in 14 moves against Beginner Level. He gave sacrifices of 2 pawns and then quickly win the game in 14 moves. Game Played between chrisf and beginner at GetClub.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- chrisf: (White) beginner: (Black) Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM33871&game=Chess -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- White -- Black (chrisf) -- (beginner) 1. Nb1-c3{6} d7-d5{0} 2. d2-d4{4} e7-e6{40} 3. e2-e4{4} d5-e4{6} 4. f2-f3{8} e4-f3{10} 5. Ng1-f3{6} Ng8-f6{40} 6. Bf1-d3{6} Bf8-b4{6} 7. Ke1-g1{6} Bb4-c3{6} 8. b2-c3{4} Nf6-d5{16} 9. Nf3-e5{10} Nd5-c3{6} 10. Qd1-g4{4} h7-h5{8} 11. Qg4-g7{4} Rh8-f8{24} 12. Rf1-f7{22} Nc3-e2{20} 13. Bd3-e2{20} Qd8-d4{12} 14. Kg1-h1{4} Rf8-f7{6} -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- chrisf: (White) beginner: (Black) Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM33871&game=Chess So this is the quickest Mate by Chrisf against Beginner Level. Rybka win Easy Level in 16 moves while Chrisf win Beginner in just 14 moves. Bye Sanny Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 12 Dec 2008 21:33:53
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Quickest Mate by Rybka.
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On Dec 12, 12:41=A0pm, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote: > Rybka beat Easy Level in just 16 moves. I am shocked; shocked! > What was the wrong move that > lead to such a quick loss? Was there any way to delay the Mate? > 1. e2-e4{4} e7-e6{0} > 2. d2-d4{10} d7-d5{0} > 3. Nb1-c3{8} Bf8-b4{0} > 4. e4-e5{8} c7-c5{0} > 5. a2-a3{6} Bb4-c3{0} > 6. b2-c3{6} Ng8-e7{0} > 7. Qd1-g4{8} Ne7-f5{22} > 8. Bf1-d3{10} Ke8-g8{38} > 9. Ng1-f3{10} c5-c4{20} > 10. Bd3-f5{12} e6-f5{40} > 11. Qg4-g3{10} Rf8-e8{98} > 12. Ke1-g1{10} Nb8-c6{54} > 13. Bc1-g5{14} Qd8-d7{66} > 14. Bg5-f6{12} g7-g6{26} > 15. Qg3-f4{12} Nc6-d8{28} > 16. Qf4-h6{18} Nd8-e6{0} > The First 6 moves were the opening moves. > > After that which move was wrong that GetClub should not have played? Although White has the better of things, it was still a game until we come to 12. ...Nc6 and the god-awful followup, 13. ...Qd7. But let's look at the finale, shall we? At move fifteen, White's mating attack was stoppable via ...Qe7 (losing the Queen but saving the King). GetClub failed to spot this. Is Sanny aware of the special significance of the King in chess? Of the fact that the very object of the game is to checkmate this specific piece? I wonder. Now, backing up to move thirteen, we see that Black missed ...f4, and now if 14. Bxf4 there could follow ...Bf5 and the attack on g7 can be blocked via ...Bg6. All that being said, this is a difficult position for a computer to play, as the center is blocked and White's pieces can swarm around the Black King. It would be wiser to direct play toward a more open game-- one where humans are more likely to leave something /en prise/ through carelessness. Well, even Rybka herself did not play this perfectly. At move fifteen, instead of Qf4, the move Qg5 is superior in that it nets even more booty after the mandatory Queen sacrifice already discussed. And even the move 13. Bg5 seems almost an error in view of the dark square decimation which cannot be avoided after 13. Bh6 g6, 14. Bg5. I note that Sanny and even Mr. Wlod are in the habit of presenting blitz games for analysis or appreciation. In my opinion, most of these games are doomed as far as quality is concerned; doomed by the brevity of time for consideration of moves and plans. I suppose if we are going to see any real chess in rgc, it may turn out to be the correspondence games of our more pompous posers-- er, I mean posters, Dr. IMnes and Mr. Kingston. As for me, the best games I've seen lately were those between two very strong computers, Rybka and Zap. -- help bot
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Date: 12 Dec 2008 11:44:13
From:
Subject: Re: Quickest Mate by Rybka.
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On Dec 12, 12:41=A0pm, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote: > Rybka beat Easy Level in just 16 moves. What was the wrong move that > lead to such a quick loss? Was there any way to delay the Mate? > > Game Played between sanjay11 and easy at GetClub.com > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --=AD----- > sanjay11: (White) > easy: (Black) > Game Played at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html > View Recorded Game:http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=3DDM33862&game= =3DChess > -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --=AD----- > > White -- Black > (sanjay11) -- (easy) > > 1. e2-e4{4} e7-e6{0} > 2. d2-d4{10} d7-d5{0} > 3. Nb1-c3{8} Bf8-b4{0} > 4. e4-e5{8} c7-c5{0} > 5. a2-a3{6} Bb4-c3{0} > 6. b2-c3{6} Ng8-e7{0} > 7. Qd1-g4{8} Ne7-f5{22} > 8. Bf1-d3{10} Ke8-g8{38} > 9. Ng1-f3{10} c5-c4{20} > 10. Bd3-f5{12} e6-f5{40} > 11. Qg4-g3{10} Rf8-e8{98} > 12. Ke1-g1{10} Nb8-c6{54} > 13. Bc1-g5{14} Qd8-d7{66} > 14. Bg5-f6{12} g7-g6{26} > 15. Qg3-f4{12} Nc6-d8{28} > 16. Qf4-h6{18} Nd8-e6{0} > -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --=AD----- > =A0sanjay11: (White) > easy: (Black) > Game Played at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html > View Recorded Game:http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=3DDM33862&game= =3DChess > > The First 6 moves were the opening moves. > > After that which move was wrong that GetClub should not have played? The losing mistake was its first move. Anyone who knows anything about chess, knows the dictum of the great Hungarian master Julius Breyer (1893-1921): "After 1.e4, White's game is in its last throes!"
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Date: 12 Dec 2008 11:06:37
From:
Subject: Re: Quickest Mate by Rybka.
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On Dec 12, 9:41=A0am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote: > > After that which move was wrong that GetClub should not have played? > Figure it out for yourself, you idiot. jm
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