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Date: 07 May 2007 18:09:34
From: Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod)
Subject: Poisoned pawn? Fearless queen?
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Here is the drama:
Place: www.kurnik.org
White: nn
Black: yours truly
Opening: Nimzoindian (unscientific flavor)
1.d4 Nf6
2.c4 e6
3.Nc3 Bb4
4.Bd2 c5
5.dxc5 Bxc5
6.Nf3 Qb6 (threat: ... Bxf2 mate)
7.e3
Now, would you take b2? I did!
7. ... Qxb2
8. Nb5 Na6
answering 9.Nc7+ threat
but leaving my queen trapped.
9. Bc3
My queen has no place to go. So what!
9. ... Bb4
The rest is not interesting:
10.Bxb4 Qxb4+
11.Qd2 Qxd2+
12.Kxd2 Ne4+
13.Kd3
I know, it feels good to play king actively
like that. Except for:
14. ... Nxf2
White resigns (that's a reasonable move
under the circumstances).
Regards,
Wlod
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Date: 09 May 2007 14:57:03
From: Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod)
Subject: Re: Poisoned pawn? Fearless queen?
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On May 9, 9:25 am, Ron <[email protected] > wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod)" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > It goes without saying
> > that I am not a strong chess player.
> > In particular, I get easily tempted
> > by risky moves instead of testing
> > them in my mind.
>
> The move Rb1, when black grabs the b-pawn, is very common, so it was the
> first move I looked at. Part of improving is recognizing more and more
> of these "typical" responses which makes them much easier to judge.
Yeah, there used to be a fish from Brooklin,
who was fond of Qxb2 until he lost the 11th
game. That had taught him to stay away
from the b2 pawn.
Regards,
Wlod
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Date: 09 May 2007 03:08:24
From: Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod)
Subject: Re: Poisoned pawn? Fearless queen?
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On May 8, 3:05 pm, Antonio Torrecillas <[email protected] > wrote:
> En/na Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod) ha escrit:
>
>
>
> > Here is the drama:
>
> > Place:www.kurnik.org
> > White: nn
> > Black: yours truly
> > Opening: Nimzoindian (unscientific flavor)
>
> > 1.d4 Nf6
> > 2.c4 e6
> > 3.Nc3 Bb4
> > 4.Bd2 c5
> > 5.dxc5 Bxc5
> > 6.Nf3 Qb6 (threat: ... Bxf2 mate)
> > 7.e3
> > Now, would you take b2? I did!
> > 7. ... Qxb2
> > 8. Nb5 Na6
> > answering 9.Nc7+ threat
> > but leaving my queen trapped.
> > 9. Bc3
> > My queen has no place to go. So what!
> > 9. ... Bb4
> > The rest is not interesting:
> > Regards,
> > Wlod
>
> Hello Wlod, ...
>
> White has another 9th moves:
> - 9.Bc3? clearly is a mistake.
> - 9.Rb1 Qa2 (only move) 10.Ra1 Qb2 11.Rb1 lead to a draw which is a
> improvement respect to the game, but ...
> - 9.Rb1 Qa2 10.Bd3!! seems to obtain a winning advantage (not 10.Bc3
> because Ne4). The main idea is to play 11.Bc3 followed by 12.Ra1
> trapping the black queen. I do not find defence
>
> ANtonio
Thank you, Ron & Antonio, for your
analysis. It goes without saying
that I am not a strong chess player.
In particular, I get easily tempted
by risky moves instead of testing
them in my mind. I'd do it even when
I know that my opponent is trapping me,
so even psychologically I am not too
well suited for chess. I still enjoy
the chess trivia and history, and first
of all the beauty of many games
(regardless of who's playing them, as
long as the games are nice, which happens
most often to the outstanding players).
In the given case I could feel that
my pawn grabbing was a no-no :-)
Best regards,
Wlod
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Date: 09 May 2007 09:25:51
From: Ron
Subject: Re: Poisoned pawn? Fearless queen?
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In article <[email protected] >,
"Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod)" <[email protected] > wrote:
> It goes without saying
> that I am not a strong chess player.
> In particular, I get easily tempted
> by risky moves instead of testing
> them in my mind.
The move Rb1, when black grabs the b-pawn, is very common, so it was the
first move I looked at. Part of improving is recognizing more and more
of these "typical" responses which makes them much easier to judge.
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Date: 09 May 2007 00:05:27
From: Antonio Torrecillas
Subject: Re: Poisoned pawn? Fearless queen?
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En/na Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod) ha escrit:
> Here is the drama:
>
> Place: www.kurnik.org
> White: nn
> Black: yours truly
> Opening: Nimzoindian (unscientific flavor)
>
> 1.d4 Nf6
> 2.c4 e6
> 3.Nc3 Bb4
> 4.Bd2 c5
> 5.dxc5 Bxc5
> 6.Nf3 Qb6 (threat: ... Bxf2 mate)
> 7.e3
> Now, would you take b2? I did!
> 7. ... Qxb2
> 8. Nb5 Na6
> answering 9.Nc7+ threat
> but leaving my queen trapped.
> 9. Bc3
> My queen has no place to go. So what!
> 9. ... Bb4
> The rest is not interesting:
> Regards,
> Wlod
Hello Wlod, ...
White has another 9th moves:
- 9.Bc3? clearly is a mistake.
- 9.Rb1 Qa2 (only move) 10.Ra1 Qb2 11.Rb1 lead to a draw which is a
improvement respect to the game, but ...
- 9.Rb1 Qa2 10.Bd3!! seems to obtain a winning advantage (not 10.Bc3
because Ne4). The main idea is to play 11.Bc3 followed by 12.Ra1
trapping the black queen. I do not find defence
ANtonio
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Date: 08 May 2007 02:34:39
From: Ron
Subject: Re: Poisoned pawn? Fearless queen?
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In article <[email protected] >,
"Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod)" <[email protected] > wrote:
> 1.d4 Nf6
> 2.c4 e6
> 3.Nc3 Bb4
> 4.Bd2 c5
> 5.dxc5 Bxc5
> 6.Nf3 Qb6 (threat: ... Bxf2 mate)
> 7.e3
>
> Now, would you take b2? I did!
>
> 7. ... Qxb2
> 8. Nb5 Na6
8.Rb1 Qa3 9.Nb5 doesn't give you the option of avoiding the check on c7.
Black gets two pawns for the exchange, but white is better.
> answering 9.Nc7+ threat
> but leaving my queen trapped.
>
> 9. Bc3
If white wants a draw here, he has one: 9.Rb1 Qxa2 10.Ra1 Qb2 etc.
> My queen has no place to go. So what!
>
> 9. ... Bb4
> The rest is not interesting:
>
> 10.Bxb4 Qxb4+
> 11.Qd2 Qxd2+
> 12.Kxd2 Ne4+
> 13.Kd3
>
> I know, it feels good to play king actively
> like that. Except for:
Obviously, Ke1 is an entirely different story. Then you're up a pawn but
the loss of castling rights doesn't bother white at all. Lots of play
left in the position.
> 14. ... Nxf2
>
> White resigns (that's a reasonable move
> under the circumstances).
Yeah, he's really got nothing.
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Date: 09 May 2007 00:12:26
From: Antonio Torrecillas
Subject: Re: Poisoned pawn? Fearless queen?
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En/na Ron ha escrit:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod)" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>1.d4 Nf6
>>2.c4 e6
>>3.Nc3 Bb4
>>4.Bd2 c5
>>5.dxc5 Bxc5
>>6.Nf3 Qb6 (threat: ... Bxf2 mate)
>>7.e3
>>Now, would you take b2? I did!
>>7. ... Qxb2
>>8. Nb5 Na6
>
> 8.Rb1 Qa3 9.Nb5 doesn't give you the option of avoiding the check on c7.
> Black gets two pawns for the exchange, but white is better.
Ron line is a clear demostration that 7...Qxb2 was a mistake.
I would add that 8.Rb1 Qa3 9.Nb5 wins a "complete rook" (not only an
exchange) because I'm sure that Na8 is trapped, but the tempi used to
capture it lead to mate.
The line I suggested show that 8.Nb5 is not a mistake (it also wins) but
clearly this line is easier.
AT
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