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Date: 06 Feb 2005 20:06:20
From: Avanti
Subject: Please look at this short game.
I was hoping someone would have a look at this game especially from move
14.Bxh7+
This was 36/90mins +15 game my friend said I give up a piece for nothing at
this stage , well I didn't see so and neither did my opponent, after
analysis via Fritz it game me a ! for move 19.Rxf7

can black easily save the game from move 14?
Thanks in advance.

[Event "Spectrum 2005"]
[Site "Dudley"]
[Date "2005.01.30"]
[Round "4"]
[White "Deleted, C"]
[Black "Deleted (92), J"]
[Result "1-0"]

1. e4 c5 2. b4 cxb4 3. a3 e6 4. axb4 Bxb4 5. c3 Be7 6. d4 d6 7. Bd3 Qc7 8.
Ne2
Nc6 9. O-O Nf6 10. f4 O-O 11. Nd2 a6 12. Nf3 b6 13. e5 Nd7 14. Bxh7+ Kxh7
15. Ng5+ Bxg5 16. fxg5 dxe5 17. Qd3+ Kg8 18. Ba3 Re8 19. Rxf7 Qd8 20. Qg6 {
Black resigns} 1-0






 
Date: 06 Feb 2005 14:29:07
From: Ron
Subject: Re: Please look at this short game.
In article <[email protected] >,
"Avanti" <[email protected] > wrote:

> I was hoping someone would have a look at this game especially from move
> 14.Bxh7+
> This was 36/90mins +15 game my friend said I give up a piece for nothing at
> this stage , well I didn't see so and neither did my opponent, after
> analysis via Fritz it game me a ! for move 19.Rxf7
>
> can black easily save the game from move 14?
> Thanks in advance.

Black's 11th and 12th moves are suicidal -- white's obviously about to
break through in the center. e5 on either of those moves doesn't solve
all of his problems, but it really helps.

18.exd4 has to be a posibility, giving back an exchange to blunt white's
initiative, but somebody will only play that if they see Rxf7 coming.

So now the question is Rxf7. Kxf7 20.Qh7 Nc5! might hold (21. Rf1+ Ke7
22.Qxg7+ Ke8; better is 21. bxc5 b5! 22.g6+ Ke7 23.Rd1! which looks
strong, but things aren't settled: 23. ... Nd4! 24.Qxg6+ Kd8 25.Qf6+ Qe7
26.Qxe7+ and cxd4 -- although I wouldn't be surprised to find an
improvement for white here; black's ability to keep giving back material
to close lines makes the position probably more complex than I can
really keep my mind around) Also 20.Rf1+ Kg8 21.Qg6 Nf6! 22.gxf6 Qf7! is
fine for black.

-Ron


  
Date: 07 Feb 2005 23:34:39
From: Antonio Torrecillas
Subject: Re: Please look at this short game.
En/na Ron ha escrit:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Avanti" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>I was hoping someone would have a look at this game especially from move
>>14.Bxh7+
>>This was 36/90mins +15 game my friend said I give up a piece for nothing at
>>this stage , well I didn't see so and neither did my opponent, after
>>analysis via Fritz it game me a ! for move 19.Rxf7
>>
>>can black easily save the game from move 14?
>>Thanks in advance.
>
>
> Black's 11th and 12th moves are suicidal -- white's obviously about to
> break through in the center. e5 on either of those moves doesn't solve
> all of his problems, but it really helps.

In my opinion 14.Bxh7 is simply BAD.
Before that, white has compensation for the pawn.
After it, white is lost.

> 18.exd4 has to be a posibility, giving back an exchange to blunt white's
> initiative, but somebody will only play that if they see Rxf7 coming.

ok, 18...exd4! seems an easy win for black.
And I agree that Rxf7 was the only danger to avoid for black.

Maybe this 18...exd4 was the easiest way to refute the sacrifice but
black had more options like 16...Ncxe5 which leads to a position ONLY
two pawns up.

> So now the question is Rxf7. Kxf7 20.Qh7 Nc5! might hold (21. Rf1+ Ke7
> 22.Qxg7+ Ke8; better is 21. bxc5 b5! 22.g6+ Ke7 23.Rd1! which looks
> strong, but things aren't settled: 23. ... Nd4! 24.Qxg6+ Kd8 25.Qf6+ Qe7
> 26.Qxe7+ and cxd4 -- although I wouldn't be surprised to find an
> improvement for white here; black's ability to keep giving back material
> to close lines makes the position probably more complex than I can
> really keep my mind around) Also 20.Rf1+ Kg8 21.Qg6 Nf6! 22.gxf6 Qf7! is
> fine for black.
>
> -Ron

The above line fails ...
19.Rxf7! Kxf7! 20.Qh7! Nc5? 21.bxc5 b5? 22.g6+ Ke7 23.Rd1! Nd4 and here
the strange 24.Nxd4!! (suggested by Fritz8) wins easily.

The idea is to avoid 24.exd4 Kd8!! followed by Bd7 with some defence
(maybe black is lost too but white task is harder).

After 24.Nxd4!! Kd8? is not possible and white wins in a few moves.

But that line is only a curiosity, white has many winning alternatives
in it like 23.Qh4.

Maybe black best defence was 19.Rxf7! Kxf7! 20.Qh7! Rf8! but white must
be winning.

AT



  
Date: 07 Feb 2005 18:41:41
From: Avanti
Subject: Re: Please look at this short game.

"Ron" <[email protected] > wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Avanti" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > I was hoping someone would have a look at this game especially from move
> > 14.Bxh7+
> > This was 36/90mins +15 game my friend said I give up a piece for nothing
at
> > this stage , well I didn't see so and neither did my opponent, after
> > analysis via Fritz it game me a ! for move 19.Rxf7
> >
> > can black easily save the game from move 14?
> > Thanks in advance.
>
> Black's 11th and 12th moves are suicidal -- white's obviously about to
> break through in the center. e5 on either of those moves doesn't solve
> all of his problems, but it really helps.
>
> 18.exd4 has to be a posibility, giving back an exchange to blunt white's
> initiative, but somebody will only play that if they see Rxf7 coming.
>
> So now the question is Rxf7. Kxf7 20.Qh7 Nc5! might hold (21. Rf1+ Ke7
> 22.Qxg7+ Ke8; better is 21. bxc5 b5! 22.g6+ Ke7 23.Rd1! which looks
> strong, but things aren't settled: 23. ... Nd4! 24.Qxg6+ Kd8 25.Qf6+ Qe7
> 26.Qxe7+ and cxd4 -- although I wouldn't be surprised to find an
> improvement for white here; black's ability to keep giving back material
> to close lines makes the position probably more complex than I can
> really keep my mind around) Also 20.Rf1+ Kg8 21.Qg6 Nf6! 22.gxf6 Qf7! is
> fine for black.
>
> -Ron

Thanks for that Ron,
I didn't see the saving lines for black, but wouldn't hesitate to run this
line again should the opportunity arise (ugly win my other friend calls it).