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Date: 16 Apr 2008 22:53:02
From: Sanny
Subject: Please Analyze this game between Easy Level & Chrisf
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Chrisf is 2nd best player at GetClub Chess.
He used to win in just 20-30 Moves earlier.
But now as the GetClub game has been improved he now takes 50-60 Moves
to win the Higher Levels.
In the game below he sacrificed its Rook. and win the game. GetClub
also Sacrificed its Knight but I do not understand whether the
Sacrifice of Knight by Easy Level was correct or not.
Game Played between chrisf and easy at GetClub.com
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chrisf: (Black)
easy: (White)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM19363&game=Chess
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White -- Black
(easy) -- (chrisf)
1. e2-e4{0} e7-e5{2}
2. Ng1-f3{0} Nb8-c6{2}
3. Bf1-b5{0} a7-a6{2}
4. Bb5-a4{0} Ng8-f6{2}
5. Ke1-g1{48} Bf8-e7{4}
6. d2-d3{20} Ke8-g8{16}
7. Nb1-c3{36} d7-d6{16}
8. Ba4-c6{26} b7-c6{2}
9. h2-h3{38} Ra8-b8{10}
10. Ra1-b1{22} Bc8-e6{12}
11. Nf3-g5{40} d6-d5{4}
12. Ng5-e6{24} f7-e6{2}
13. Bc1-g5{30} h7-h6{8}
14. Bg5-h4{26} Qd8-e8{16}
15. e4-d5{30} c6-d5{12}
16. Rf1-e1{32} Nf6-d7{2}
17. Bh4-e7{24} Qe8-e7{2}
18. Re1-f1{20} Rf8-f5{8}
19. Qd1-e1{22} Rb8-f8{28}
20. Kg1-h1{32} Nd7-f6{18}
21. f2-f3{28} Nf6-h5{62}
22. Kh1-g1{34} Nh5-f4{6}
23. Rf1-f2{22} Qe7-h4{16}
24. Rf2-d2{22} Qh4-h5{18}
25. g2-g4{20} Qh5-h3{32}
26. g4-f5{34} Rf8-f5{2}
27. Nc3-e4{28} d5-e4{10}
28. d3-e4{24} Rf5-g5{6}
29. Kg1-f2{48} Qh3-h2{12}
30. Kf2-e3{22} Nf4-g2{6}
31. Rd2-g2{28} Rg5-g2{4}
32. c2-c4{30} Qh2-f4{8}
33. Ke3-d3{46} Qf4-f3{6}
34. Qe1-e3{52} Qf3-g4{4}
35. Rb1-e1{20} Rg2-g3{4}
36. Kd3-c2{28} Rg3-e3{12}
37. Re1-e3{28} h6-h5{2}
38. Kc2-c3{28} h5-h4{4}
39. a2-a4{20} h4-h3{2}
40. Re3-e1{36} h3-h2{4}
41. b2-b4{36} Qg4-f3{4}
42. Kc3-d2{26} Qf3-f2{4}
43. Kd2-d1{34} Qf2-e1{4}
44. Kd1-e1{34} Qh2-h1{Q}{6}
45. Ke1-d2{36} Qh1-e4{6}
46. Kd2-c3{26} Qe4-d4{10}
47. Kc3-b3{28} Qd4-d3{16}
48. Kb3-a2{58} e5-e4{4}
49. b4-b5{26} a6-b5{4}
50. c4-b5{30} e4-e3{2}
51. a4-a5{22} e3-e2{2}
52. b5-b6{22}
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chrisf: (Black)
easy: (White)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM19363&game=Chess
Was the sacrifice of Knight of any use to Easy Level? How do you think
Chrisf level of play?
Chrisf is playing in just 10 sec/ move while easy level was taking 30
sec / move. So you can see how fast Chrisf was thinking.
Do you think Chrisf can still beat the Master Level? Or can Master
Level win against Chrisf. I am pretty sure Master Level will win
against Helpbot, Taylor Kingston and other good players.
But I still feel that Chrisf can win the Master Level as he plays
remarkably well.
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 24 Apr 2008 09:47:38
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Help Bot wins the Advance Level !!!
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On Apr 24, 1:53 am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:
> I played a game against Rybka. For the first time I saw Rybka playing
> such a bad game. It played a wrong move So that its Knight got
> trapped.
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> It keeps thinking without making any move may be it resigned.
I replayed this game and it looks like the GetClub
program is *down a Rook*. Nice tactical shots by
both sides, but when the smoke cleared, Easy
level crawled out of the rubble with an appendage
missing (the Rook).
-- help bot
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Date: 24 Apr 2008 08:44:27
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Help Bot wins the Advance Level !!!
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On Apr 24, 5:19=A0pm, Markus Islinger <[email protected] > wrote:
> Sanny wrote:
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> > So Only Correct move for Rybka is Nb6 and Give away its Rook for a
> > Bishop.
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> That would be the one of the worst moves Rybka can make.
> I would suggest Ra7 and agree with Bj=F6rn: The position is hopeless
> forGetClub.
>
> Markus
R-a7, Yes I missed this move Ok this will save the Knight. As Rybka
can play Ra8 taking the GetClubs Rook if GetClub plays BxN.
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 24 Apr 2008 04:27:23
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Help Bot wins the Advance Level !!!
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> Keep dreaming. I am not even sure which knight you think was trapped.
> Rybka is completely winning the game you posted and has been ever since
> black's 8th move. GC's approach was crazy, your program opened up the
> position of its own king while still having poor development and that
> without having any counter-chances.- Hide quoted text -
When Rybka played 26. Re7
26. Re1-e7{32} Kc7-d8{24}
GetClub Played K-d8 Now Rybka has to save both its Rook and Knight?
Rook is being killed by King and Knight is being threathened by
Bishop.
So Only Correct move for Rybka is Nb6 and Give away its Rook for a
Bishop.
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date:
From: Martin Brown
Subject: Re: Help Bot wins the Advance Level !!!
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Date: 24 Apr 2008 14:19:02
From: Markus Islinger
Subject: Re: Help Bot wins the Advance Level !!!
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Sanny wrote:
>
> So Only Correct move for Rybka is Nb6 and Give away its Rook for a
> Bishop.
That would be the one of the worst moves Rybka can make.
I would suggest Ra7 and agree with Bj�rn: The position is hopeless
for GetClub.
Markus
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Date: 23 Apr 2008 22:56:04
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Help Bot wins the Advance Level !!!
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> =A0 In one of my recent over-the-board games,
> I made a double Rook sacrifice which was
> *supposed* to net the opponent's Queen,
> two pawns, and an ongoing attack on the
> mass of weak central pawns. =A0Instead, when
> the smoke had cleared, I found myself down
> a Rook for only two pawns, in a relatively
> simple endgame. =A0Undaunted, I fought on,
I have seen many times you give Rook for Bishops. But hang on today
the GetClub game was further improved as a Bug was found. Now GetClub
will play much stronger games and will not come under such tricks.
Today in a game even Rybka did a mistake and GetClub trapped its
knight but then Rybka hanged and do not make any move.
Game Played between Rybka and easy at GetClub.com
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Rybka: (White)
easy: (Black)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=3DDM19669&game=3D=
Chess
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White -- Black
(Rybka) -- (easy)
1. e2-e4{50} e7-e5{0}
2. Ng1-f3{14} Nb8-c6{0}
3. Bf1-c4{14} Ng8-f6{0}
4. Nf3-g5{12} d7-d5{42}
5. e4-d5{18} b7-b5{40}
6. d5-c6{26} b5-c4{20}
7. Nb1-c3{14} h7-h6{26}
8. Ng5-f3{22} Bc8-g4{38}
9. Ke1-g1{16} e5-e4{20}
10. Rf1-e1{24} Qd8-e7{20}
11. d2-d4{20} c4-d3{26}
12. c2-d3{28} Ke8-c8{30}
13. Qd1-a4{20} Rd8-d3{34}
14. Nc3-e4{14} Rd3-f3{30}
15. Qa4-a7{24} Qe7-b4{24}
16. Qa7-a8{20} Qb4-b8{30}
17. Ne4-f6{28} Bg4-e6{20}
18. Qa8-b8{26} Kc8-b8{32}
19. Nf6-d7{26} Kb8-c8{22}
20. g2-f3{20} Bf8-d6{30}
21. Bc1-e3{26} Be6-d5{20}
22. Be3-c5{28} Bd5-c6{30}
23. Bc5-d6{24} c7-d6{34}
24. Nd7-b6{26} Kc8-c7{48}
25. Nb6-c4{22} Bc6-d5{50}
26. Re1-e7{32} Kc7-d8{24}
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Rybka: (White)
easy: (Black)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=3DDM19669&game=3D=
Chess
Do you see any improvement in GetClubs Game?
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 23 Apr 2008 22:53:02
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Help Bot wins the Advance Level !!!
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> A significant proportion of the moves are forced. He could see further
> than your program and that seems to be the way both helpbot and zebediah
> =A0 are able to crucify it. They have a good feel for where the event
> horizon of theGetclublookahead is and construct situations where they
> can see the right path and the program cannot.
Today, A mistake was found and the Game was Corrected. Now it will
look deeper in such moves.
I played a game against Rybka. For the first time I saw Rybka playing
such a bad game. It played a wrong move So that its Knight got
trapped.
It keeps thinking without making any move may be it resigned.
Game Played between Rybka and easy at GetClub.com
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Rybka: (White)
easy: (Black)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=3DDM19669&game=3D=
Chess
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White -- Black
(Rybka) -- (easy)
1. e2-e4{50} e7-e5{0}
2. Ng1-f3{14} Nb8-c6{0}
3. Bf1-c4{14} Ng8-f6{0}
4. Nf3-g5{12} d7-d5{42}
5. e4-d5{18} b7-b5{40}
6. d5-c6{26} b5-c4{20}
7. Nb1-c3{14} h7-h6{26}
8. Ng5-f3{22} Bc8-g4{38}
9. Ke1-g1{16} e5-e4{20}
10. Rf1-e1{24} Qd8-e7{20}
11. d2-d4{20} c4-d3{26}
12. c2-d3{28} Ke8-c8{30}
13. Qd1-a4{20} Rd8-d3{34}
14. Nc3-e4{14} Rd3-f3{30}
15. Qa4-a7{24} Qe7-b4{24}
16. Qa7-a8{20} Qb4-b8{30}
17. Ne4-f6{28} Bg4-e6{20}
18. Qa8-b8{26} Kc8-b8{32}
19. Nf6-d7{26} Kb8-c8{22}
20. g2-f3{20} Bf8-d6{30}
21. Bc1-e3{26} Be6-d5{20}
22. Be3-c5{28} Bd5-c6{30}
23. Bc5-d6{24} c7-d6{34}
24. Nd7-b6{26} Kc8-c7{48}
25. Nb6-c4{22} Bc6-d5{50}
26. Re1-e7{32} Kc7-d8{24}
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Rybka: (White)
easy: (Black)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=3DDM19669&game=3D=
Chess
Do you see any improvement in GetClubs Game?
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 24 Apr 2008 10:19:25
From: Bjoern
Subject: Re: Help Bot wins the Advance Level !!!
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Sanny wrote:
>>A significant proportion of the moves are forced. He could see further
>>than your program and that seems to be the way both helpbot and zebediah
>> are able to crucify it. They have a good feel for where the event
>>horizon of theGetclublookahead is and construct situations where they
>>can see the right path and the program cannot.
>
>
> Today, A mistake was found and the Game was Corrected. Now it will
> look deeper in such moves.
>
> I played a game against Rybka. For the first time I saw Rybka playing
> such a bad game. It played a wrong move So that its Knight got
> trapped.
>
> It keeps thinking without making any move may be it resigned.
Keep dreaming. I am not even sure which knight you think was trapped.
Rybka is completely winning the game you posted and has been ever since
black's 8th move. GC's approach was crazy, your program opened up the
position of its own king while still having poor development and that
without having any counter-chances.
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Date: 23 Apr 2008 16:28:10
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Help Bot wins the Advance Level !!!
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On Apr 23, 2:05 pm, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:
> > > I do not think Help Bot was taking help of any Computer still he wins.
> > > Which means there is something wrong in GetClubs game play.
>
> > You've only now realized this??
>
> I think the 20th Move 20. Rxf7 was the move that killed the game. He
> thought 20 ply a very difficult task for any human.
> Let Help Bot answer why he made that descision was he able to see what
> will happen after 20 ply?
Actually, I see 263.1 plys ahead, on average.
In this position, I saw a mate-in-fifty-seven
moves, but decided that would just be too
easy, and instead went for "complications",
so that the game could drag on for a week.
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In one of my recent over-the-board games,
I made a double Rook sacrifice which was
*supposed* to net the opponent's Queen,
two pawns, and an ongoing attack on the
mass of weak central pawns. Instead, when
the smoke had cleared, I found myself down
a Rook for only two pawns, in a relatively
simple endgame. Undaunted, I fought on,
but for some reason (the missing Rook) the
tactics always favored him. The funny thing
was, I did not realize I was down a Rook at
first, but only after I noticed that things
were not going well... .
-- help bot
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Date: 23 Apr 2008 11:05:15
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Help Bot wins the Advance Level !!!
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> > I do not think Help Bot was taking help of any Computer still he wins.
> > Which means there is something wrong in GetClubs game play.
>
> =A0 You've only now realized this??
I think the 20th Move 20. Rxf7 was the move that killed the game. He
thought 20 ply a very difficult task for any human.
>> 20. Rf2-f7{662} Be6-f7{1840}
> I admire helpbots bravery. I am not sure I would risk this sac
> against a machine. Forced sequence of moves follows.
Really that sacrifice of Two Rook for a Bishop & Knight is very
puzzuling.
Let Help Bot answer why he made that descision was he able to see what
will happen after 20 ply?
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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From: Martin Brown
Subject: Re: Help Bot wins the Advance Level !!!
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Date: 23 Apr 2008 06:28:57
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Subject: Re: Help Bot wins the Advance Level !!!
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On Apr 23, 4:28=A0am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:
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> I do not think Help Bot was taking help of any Computer still he wins.
> Which means there is something wrong in GetClubs game play.
You've only now realized this??
BTW, Sanny, please stop saying "So-and-so *_wins_* the Advanced (or
whatever) level." That would mean he takes posssession of your
program, that he now owns it, as in "he won a prize." Correct phrasing
is that he *_beats_* or *_defeats_* your program, or he *_wins
against_* it.
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Date: 23 Apr 2008 01:40:41
From: Sanny
Subject: Zebediah again win the game with Advance Level
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Zebediah too managed to win the game.
GetClub went into a big trap and lost its knight.
Zebediah pin Rook & Pawn with his Bishop So Advance has no choice but
to loose the game.
Game Played between zebediah and advance at GetClub.com
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zebediah: (Black)
advance: (White)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM19615&game=Chess
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White -- Black
(advance) -- (zebediah)
1. d2-d4{0} Ng8-f6{12}
2. c2-c4{0} g7-g6{4}
3. Nb1-c3{0} c7-c5{106}
4. d4-c5{2296} Bf8-g7{96}
5. e2-e4{1974} Qd8-a5{4372}
6. Bf1-d3{1834} Qa5-c5{78}
7. Bc1-e3{1340} Qc5-a5{14}
8. Ng1-f3{1416} Ke8-g8{894}
9. Ke1-g1{2674} d7-d6{22}
10. Nc3-d5{1468} Nf6-d5{2508}
11. c4-d5{2204} Bc8-g4{2550}
12. Qd1-b3{1652} Nb8-d7{52}
13. Nf3-g5{2496} Nd7-e5{4902}
14. f2-f3{1606} Ne5-d3{244}
15. Qb3-d3{1870} Bg4-d7{1126}
16. Rf1-d1{2058} Ra8-c8{1038}
17. g2-g3{1742} h7-h6{242}
18. b2-b4{1854} Qa5-a4{52}
19. Ra1-c1{1758} Qa4-a2{32}
20. Be3-f4{1738} h6-g5{1344}
21. Bf4-g5{1284} Bd7-h3{64}
22. Bg5-d2{2312} f7-f5{300}
23. Rc1-c8{2810} Rf8-c8{6}
24. Qd3-e2{2178} Bg7-d4{80}
25. Kg1-h1{1360} f5-e4{54}
26. f3-e4{1732} Rc8-f8{236}
27. Qe2-d3{2506} Bd4-b6{864}
28. e4-e5{1766} Bh3-f5{366}
29. Qd3-f3{2100} Bf5-g4{530}
30. Qf3-g2{2026} Rf8-f2{74}
31. Qg2-f2{1344} Bb6-f2{4540}
32. Kh1-g2{1872}
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zebediah: (Black)
advance: (White)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM19615&game=Chess
What were the major wrong moves by GetClub?
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 23 Apr 2008 01:28:36
From: Sanny
Subject: Help Bot wins the Advance Level !!!
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Help Bot also win Advance Level, Do you see any thing wrong with
GetClubs Game.
Game Played between help bot and advance at GetClub.com
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help bot: (White)
advance: (Black)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM19606&game=Chess
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White -- Black
(help bot) -- (advance)
1. a2-a3{30} e7-e5{0}
2. c2-c4{4} Ng8-f6{1608}
3. g2-g3{12} Bf8-c5{1308}
4. e2-e3{28} Ke8-g8{1724}
5. Bf1-g2{18} c7-c6{3132}
6. Ng1-e2{198} Bc5-b6{1838}
7. Ke1-g1{96} d7-d5{1428}
8. c4-d5{14} c6-d5{1760}
9. d2-d4{64} e5-e4{1626}
10. Nb1-c3{48} Bb6-c7{1814}
11. f2-f3{164} e4-f3{1386}
12. Rf1-f3{24} Bc8-g4{1614}
13. Rf3-f2{20} Nb8-c6{1622}
14. Qd1-d3{38} Rf8-e8{2154}
15. Ne2-f4{272} Bc7-f4{1616}
16. Rf2-f4{120} g7-g5{2762}
17. Rf4-f2{352} Bg4-e6{1794}
18. Bc1-d2{28} Ra8-b8{2568}
19. Ra1-f1{544} Nf6-g4{1512}
20. Rf2-f7{662} Be6-f7{1840}
21. Rf1-f7{12} Kg8-f7{2394}
22. Qd3-h7{6} Kf7-f8{2086}
23. Qh7-h8{88} Kf8-f7{1372}
24. Qh8-h5{30} Kf7-g8{1516}
25. Qh5-g4{136} Re8-e7{2928}
26. Qg4-g5{70} Re7-g7{2082}
27. Bg2-d5{60} Kg8-h8{1572}
28. Qg5-h5{100} Rg7-h7{2390}
29. Qh5-f3{36} Qd8-d6{2898}
30. Nc3-e2{132} Rb8-f8{1588}
31. Ne2-f4{54} Rf8-e8{3182}
32. Bd2-c3{248} Qd6-h6{1588}
33. h2-h4{18} Rh7-g7{1328}
34. Kg1-f2{242} Nc6-b8{2044}
35. e3-e4{222} Nb8-d7{1860}
36. Bd5-b7{204} Nd7-f6{1612}
37. e4-e5{64} Nf6-g4{2238}
38. Kf2-g2{180} Re8-f8{2460}
39. Bb7-e4{620} Qh6-f4{1702}
40. Qf3-f4{62} Rf8-f4{1366}
41. g3-f4{8} Ng4-e5{1932}
42. Kg2-f2{578} Ne5-g4{1658}
43. Kf2-f3{26} Ng4-h2{2378}
44. Kf3-e2{28} Kh8-g8{2452}
45. d4-d5{202} Rg7-f7{2550}
46. Bc3-e5{112} a7-a6{2328}
47. d5-d6{66} Kg8-f8{2330}
48. h4-h5{290} Nh2-g4{1370}
49. b2-b4{84} Ng4-h6{1410}
50. Ke2-d3{148} Nh6-g4{1608}
51. Kd3-d4{114} Ng4-h6{1350}
52. Kd4-c5{144} Rf7-d7{2218}
53. Kc5-c6{122} Rd7-d8{1340}
54. Be4-g6{222} Rd8-c8{1416}
55. Kc6-b7{54} Rc8-c1{1638}
56. Kb7-a6{48} Rc1-c8{2022}
57. Ka6-b7{68} Rc8-c1{1628}
58. b4-b5{30} Nh6-f7{5658}
59. Bg6-f7{238} Kf8-f7{2794}
60. a3-a4{108} Rc1-g1{5992}
61. a4-a5{34} Kf7-f8{1870}
62. a5-a6{28} Rg1-b1{1970}
63. b5-b6{10} Rb1-b4{1286}
64. h5-h
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help bot: (White)
advance: (Black)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM19606&game=Chess
Which were the wrong moves that took Advance Level to destruction.
I do not think Help Bot was taking help of any Computer still he wins.
Which means there is something wrong in GetClubs game play.
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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From: Martin Brown
Subject: Re: Help Bot wins the Advance Level !!!
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Date: 22 Apr 2008 02:20:26
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Please Analyze this game between Easy Level & Chrisf
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> Qc7 was nowhere to be seen and a quick probe suggests it scores 420 or
> so with this depth of search. I don't know when Shredder finally grocked
> this position, probably at 2-4hours. But it is clear that it could never
> do so under tournament conditions whereas a human might. Especially one
> familiar with the motifs of this type of opening trap.
So Q-c7 was correct move for 2-4 hours So I think there is nothing
wrong with Advance Level as Advance level made that move in just 22
minutes.
So nothing can be done for such moves. There may be 1000s of such
traps in many opening and it is not possible to teach each trap.
I think Zebediah uses some computer to play against GetClub or he is
some Grand Master, Who Knows.
I am happy there was no big mistake in GetClubs game play. I was
worried as it lost in just 23 moves. But as Shredder took 9 hours to
get the correct move that means it was because of the Opening Trap.
Help Bot has also started a game against Advance Level Lets see what
happens in that game. I am very confident that Advance Level will win
him as he do not take any help from any computer. He just uses his
mind to play Chess at GetClub.com
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date:
From: Martin Brown
Subject: Re: Please Analyze this game between Easy Level & Chrisf
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Date: 21 Apr 2008 10:40:55
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Please Analyze this game between Easy Level & Chrisf
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Nice Analysis !!!
> Amazingly this position has previously occurred in 4 serious
> matches arising out of odd Sicilian patterns. The moves are
> transposed and all of them were hopelessly lost at this
> point. It must have arisen in
So you have saved Game till 14 th Move? Have you played the same game
earlier?
> > Is there any move wrongly played by Advance Level?
> > Was the game won because of any weakness in GetClub engine?
>
> Yes. It doesn't have sufficient selective look ahead down partially
> forced lines (situations where one move is significantly better than
> all the others). To be fair even the top engines struggled to see that
> Qc7 doesn't really work at sensible match play time allocations and it
So GetClub Lost because of 7... Qc7 Move.
How much point loss is shown for this move compared to 7.... Nd5. What
would have been the score if Nd5 is played and what is the score given
for 7... Qc7 by Shedder?
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date:
From: Martin Brown
Subject: Re: Please Analyze this game between Easy Level & Chrisf
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Date:
From: Martin Brown
Subject: Re: Please Analyze this game between Easy Level & Chrisf
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Date: 21 Apr 2008 01:21:49
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Please Analyze this game between Easy Level & Chrisf
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Please analyze the Best game between Zebediah & Advance Level.
Advance level was ahead of a Rook but later Zebediah took back the
Rook and was able to win the Game in just 23 moves.
Advance is the Highest Level. So it is the Best GetClub Chess can
ever
play.
Can you spot any weakness in this Game?
Game Played between zebediah and advance at GetClub.com
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=AD-----
zebediah: (White)
advance: (Black)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=3DDM19498&game=3D=
Chess
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=AD-----
White -- Black
(zebediah) -- (advance)
1. e2-e4{4} e7-e6{0}
2. d2-d4{4} c7-c5{2418}
3. Ng1-f3{25518} c5-d4{0}
4. Nf3-d4{6} Ng8-f6{1652}
5. Nb1-c3{236} Bf8-b4{2128}
6. e4-e5{18} Bb4-c3{3308}
7. b2-c3{420} Qd8-c7{1298}
8. e5-f6{138} Qc7-c3{2516}
9. Qd1-d2{3878} Qc3-a1{0}
10. f6-g7{6} Rh8-g8{1390}
11. c2-c3{68} Qa1-b1{1802}
12. Bf1-d3{396} Qb1-b6{1644}
13. Qd2-h6{8} Qb6-c5{1642}
14. Ke1-g1{14} Qc5-e5{1556}
15. Bd3-h7{2614} Rg8-g7{1506}
16. f2-f4{414} Rg7-h7{1658}
17. Qh6-h7{2948} Qe5-c5{3162}
18. f4-f5{654} f7-f6{2306}
19. f5-e6{388} d7-e6{1876}
20. Rf1-f6{16} Ke8-d8{1578}
21. Bc1-g5{64} Bc8-d7{1568}
22. Rf6-f5{1042} Kd8-c7{2780}
23. Rf5-c5{4790} Kc7-b6{0}
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=AD-----
zebediah: (White)
advance: (Black)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=3DDM19498&game=3D=
Chess
Was the Sacrifice of Took Correct by Zebediah?
Is there any move wrongly played by Advance Level?
Advance level thinks 20-40 min / Move. So the games are usually the
best that GetClub Chess can ever play. Still Zebediah the best player
at GetClub Managed to win the game.
Was the game won because of any weakness in GetClub engine?
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date:
From: Martin Brown
Subject: Re: Please Analyze this game between Easy Level & Chrisf
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Date: 20 Apr 2008 03:29:00
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Please Analyze this game between Easy Level & Chrisf
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On Apr 20, 5:36 am, Martin Brown <
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Date: 20 Apr 2008 02:53:28
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Please Analyze this game between Easy Level & Chrisf
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On Apr 20, 2:36=A0pm, Martin Brown <
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Date:
From: Martin Brown
Subject: Re: Please Analyze this game between Easy Level & Chrisf
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Date: 19 Apr 2008 08:47:12
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Please Analyze this game between Easy Level & Chrisf
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On Apr 19, 10:53 am, help bot <[email protected] > wrote:
> > > > 1. e2-e4{0} e7-e5{2}
> > > > 2. Ng1-f3{0} Nb8-c6{2}
> > > > 3. Bf1-b5{0} a7-a6{2}
> > > > 4. Bb5-a4{0} Ng8-f6{2}
> > > > 5. Ke1-g1{48} Bf8-e7{4}
> > > > 6. d2-d3{20} Ke8-g8{16}
>
> > Although 7. BxN dxB 8. Nxe5 snaffles a pawn it isn't such a massive
> > advantage. However, since it is a purely materialistic gain it is
> > surprising that Getclub did not grab it with both hands.
>
> After thinking about this a little more, I realized
> that the Knight need not be snatched before
> taking the pawn, since it is, after all, pinned to
> the King.
Whoa! Taking it just a tad slower, I now see that
5. Ke1-g1 *is* castling, so the a1-e8 pin is no more.
Believe it or not, my "blindfold analysis" was going
something like this: 1. Nxe5 Qd4! 2. Bxc6+ dxc6
3. Nf3, netting a pawn for White. Of course, not
only is this wrong because Black is in fact castled,
but the Black Queen can't get to d4. That's what
happens when you are on decongestant pills and
can't sleep, so your mind works through all the
important problems you are facing in your life... .
Now that I have the old 'puter freed up, I see that:
at zero seconds, it likes 6. Bxc6!
at one second, ditto
at two minutes, the same
at eleven minutes, it still prefers Bxc6!
Black has nothing for the pawn-- except what I
suppose could euphemistically be termed "open
lines"; the same open lines you get when you
hang a piece which was obstructing your other
pieces... .
If Black has any plans of getting some real
compensation for hanging a center pawn in the
Ruy Lopez, he's better off with the Marshall
Gambit, IMO.
-- help bot
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Date: 19 Apr 2008 07:53:58
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Please Analyze this game between Easy Level & Chrisf
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On Apr 19, 9:54 am, Martin Brown <
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Date:
From: Martin Brown
Subject: Re: Please Analyze this game between Easy Level & Chrisf
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Date: 19 Apr 2008 00:11:52
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Please Analyze this game between Easy Level & Chrisf
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On Apr 18, 3:35 am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:
> > > You need atleast 20-30 sec/ move to win against Beginner. I will never
> > > sugest you to play Blitz against Beginner as Beginner may spoil your
> > > Ratings.
>
> > My rating seems to be doing okay, as it
> > is higher than anyone else's. I think you
> > need to worry more over the poor folks out
> > there-- the ones with much lower ratings. :>D
>
> One Old Folk "Zebediah" has returned. He once snatched your Crown and
> Made Master Level Rating down to 400. Yesterday he played with Master
> Level and won in just 34 Moves. A thing that even Rybka cant do.
Nonsense. Rybka defeated the GetClub program
while giving it Knight odds; let's see Zebediah do
*that*, without any computer help.
Bobby Fischer once bragged that he could give
any woman in the world QN-odds, but when push
came to shove, he chickened out-- never once
backing up his idle boast!
Obviously, in a sharp game, Rybka -- or any of
the other top-rated programs, for that matter --
could win in under 34 moves. In duller games, it
will take longer, but the important thing is not
quickly you win, but just winning.
One aspect of play at GetClub is the fact that
the human opponents do not have any set time
limit. This is a huge disadvantage to the program,
which is "strictly" limited after all the hullabaloo
over it taking too long to move and not following
its own declared limits. Under these conditions,
you will find that humans play better than they
would under a strict time limit. It also gives a
computer operator plenty of leeway to eat
potato chips and watch TV, while relaying the
moves between programs-- a plan which works
best at the slower time controls, say... Master
level.
-- help bot
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Date: 18 Apr 2008 16:07:50
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Please Analyze this game between Easy Level & Chrisf
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Google Groups GitClubChess is operational. It has, amazingly, had a
number of web views even though it was not advertised and there is
nothing there yet.
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Date: 18 Apr 2008 21:09:16
From: Kenneth Sloan
Subject: Re: Please Analyze this game between Easy Level & Chrisf
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[email protected] wrote:
> Google Groups GitClubChess is operational. It has, amazingly, had a
> number of web views even though it was not advertised and there is
> nothing there yet.
That's already an improvement over previous efforts.
--
Kenneth Sloan [email protected]
Computer and Information Sciences +1-205-932-2213
University of Alabama at Birmingham FAX +1-205-934-5473
Birmingham, AL 35294-1170 http://KennethRSloan.com/
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Date: 18 Apr 2008 00:35:58
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Please Analyze this game between Easy Level & Chrisf
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> > You need atleast 20-30 sec/ move to win against Beginner. I will never
> > sugest you to play Blitz against Beginner as Beginner may spoil your
> > Ratings.
>
> =A0 My rating seems to be doing okay, as it
> is higher than anyone else's. =A0I think you
> need to worry more over the poor folks out
> there-- the ones with much lower ratings. =A0:>D
One Old Folk "Zebediah" has returned. He once snatched your Crown and
Made Master Level Rating down to 400. Yesterday he played with Master
Level and won in just 34 Moves. A thing that even Rybka cant do.
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 17 Apr 2008 22:14:37
From: Sanny
Subject: Zebediah Returned to take back his crown !!!
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> Chrisf is 2nd best player at GetClub Chess.
Yesterday the Best Player at GetClub who was out for 6 Month Holiday
has returned.
He Played with Master Level and to my Surprise won the game against
Master Level in just 34 Moves.
Zebediah is the best Player at GetClub in terms of Tactics.
Second Best is Chrisf Who again can win the Master Level.
Third Best is Bob, He plays only Occasionally. He too may beat the
Master Level.
Fourth Best at GetClub are Help Bot & Taylor Kingston.
However Taylor Kingston & Help Bot I think will not be able to win the
Master Level. As they take a long time in finishing their games
against smaller Levels. But who knows they may too win the Master
Level Someday.
Zebediah as ususal won the Master Level. But this time he got +40
points for winning the Master Level. Earlier he used to get +2 points
for winning the Master Level. Now he can easily Boost his Rating.
There is no Doubt that Zebediah will snatch the crown from Help Bot
being a Triumph Player. Still it is to be seen if Chrisf will be able
to beat the Zebediahs Score or not.
Last 2 Months no one was able to play with the Master Level and I was
thinking Master Level can never be won now, But Zebediah still has the
power to kill it.
Heres the game with Master Level played by Zebediah.
Game Played between zebediah and master at GetClub.com
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zebediah: (White)
master: (Black)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM19381&game=Chess
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White -- Black
(zebediah) -- (master)
1. e2-e4{6} e7-e6{0}
2. d2-d4{2} d7-d5{0}
3. Nb1-c3{4} Bf8-b4{0}
4. e4-e5{202} c7-c5{0}
5. a2-a3{124} Bb4-c3{568}
6. b2-c3{4} c5-c4{398}
7. Qd1-g4{54} g7-g6{640}
8. h2-h4{102} Nb8-c6{352}
9. h4-h5{216} Qd8-a5{602}
10. Bc1-d2{102} Nc6-e7{772}
11. h5-g6{40} Ne7-g6{430}
12. Ng1-h3{72} Qa5-b5{682}
13. Qg4-d1{300} Bc8-d7{584}
14. a3-a4{22} Qb5-a6{826}
15. a4-a5{172} h7-h6{324}
16. Qd1-c1{322} Ng6-e7{340}
17. Bf1-e2{460} Rh8-h7{394}
18. Qc1-a3{6740} Ra8-c8{0}
19. Nh3-f4{148} Rh7-g7{594}
20. Nf4-h5{288} Rg7-g6{666}
21. Nh5-f6{172} Ng8-f6{702}
22. e5-f6{10} Rg6-f6{332}
23. Bd2-g5{124} e6-e5{686}
24. Rh1-h6{44} Ne7-g6{614}
25. d4-e5{94} Rf6-e6{490}
26. f2-f4{20} Qa6-c6{344}
27. f4-f5{28} Re6-e5{530}
28. f5-g6{10} f7-g6{324}
29. Ke1-d2{12} Re5-g5{380}
30. Rh6-h8{248} Ke8-f7{430}
31. Rh8-h7{42} Kf7-g8{428}
32. Qa3-e7{104} Qc6-f6{496}
33. Qe7-f6{16} Kg8-h7{602}
34. Ra1-h1{42} Bd7-h3{3210}
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zebediah: (White)
master: (Black)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM19381&game=Chess
With this game can anyone find any mistake made by Master that it lost
the game??? It is very difficult to find mistake in Masters Game.
Still some Champion may find out.
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 17 Apr 2008 15:45:57
From: SBD
Subject: Re: Please Analyze this game between Easy Level & Chrisf
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On Apr 17, 12:45 pm, help bot <[email protected] > wrote:
> White left its King exposed to a Knight sac'
> on h3. If you want your program to win more,
> just improve its tactics so the games will last
> longer. The longer a game lasts, the more
> opportunities there will be for the human to
> go wrong. Let's say you got to where the
> average game lasted 100 moves; I think by
> that point, your program would be winning a
> lot more games, due to stupid human errors.
Or due to the fact that few people, at 10 minutes per move by the
machine, would be willing to play a game that lasted 17 (immediate
response by the human) to 24 hours.
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Date: 17 Apr 2008 10:45:29
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Please Analyze this game between Easy Level & Chrisf
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On Apr 17, 11:55 am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:
> > Look at the opening; after White plays d3, he is
> > threatening to win the e-pawn for free by Nxe5-- a
> > simple fact which both players somehow missed.
> > This is about as simple as tactics can get.
>
> Yes instead of 7.Nc3 White should have played 7.BxN PxB 8. Nxe5 and
> gained the e5 Pawn.
>
> GetClub Missed it because I have thought it to Develop its pieces
> First then go for the Kill.
Piece development is good. Tactics, however,
always take first priority.
> > > Chrisf is playing in just 10 sec/ move while easy level was taking 30
> > > sec / move. So you can see how fast Chrisf was thinking.
>
> > My advice would be to slow down a bit, and
> > look at what's actually going on. You can play
> > "blitz" against the Beginner level.
>
> When Chrisf can win playing in just 4-5 sec/move against Beginner why
> will he take longer.
Well, so he could play a decent game. No
matter how "brilliant" the final attack might
appear, if you overlook an elementary win of
a pawn, you have to pull a cheap trick in order
to "publish" it. For instance, long time readers
of Chess Lies will note that virtually every
brilliant move by Larry Evans is shown as a
diagram, with the game score omitted (and
for good reason). One such game had GM
Sammy Reshevsky /walking all over/ Larry
Evans before throwing away an easy win;
that one reminded me of a simul game--
except that in a simul, your opponent does
not come up with a brilliant escape at the
end! You will likely never see that game
presented as an annotated "master" game,
because LE played like a duffer, but for his
final, saving move.
> For myself even if I take 20 min / move I will never be able to win
> the Beginner Level.
Ah, then perhaps you have made the
easiest level too tough? Nobody wants to
lose every game, to get beaten like carrots,
chopped like an onion, diced like a beet.
> You need atleast 20-30 sec/ move to win against Beginner. I will never
> sugest you to play Blitz against Beginner as Beginner may spoil your
> Ratings.
My rating seems to be doing okay, as it
is higher than anyone else's. I think you
need to worry more over the poor folks out
there-- the ones with much lower ratings. : >D
> Now Higher Levels like Normal/ Easy/ have got Higher points. You get
> +40 Rating points on winning Master Level. and arround +20 for winning
> the Normal Level. While only +5 points for winning the Beginner Level.
>
> So if you are a good player you may play with Higher Levels and take
> your Scores to +2000 by playing just a few games.
Okay, I'll give it a try. The last few days I
got side-tracked by the April 15th deadline
for filing taxes. Now, I'm sick; I actually
slept the better part of the last two days,
alternating with blowing my runny nose a
thousand times so I could breathe.
> Yes Master Level plays as good as Rybka. I played a few games with
> Easy & Normal Level and I think Master plays as good as Rybka. I have
> not yet tried as my Rating is low and not allowed to duel with Master
> Level.
You will know when your program is as
good as Rybka, by the fact that it will win
every game. Also, everyone on this news
group will suddenly stop posting, due to
myocardial infarctions and imploding
brains. Try to be patient, and not claim
your world supremacy prematurely.
> Do you think Chrisf just overlooked the Fork or he really gave the
> sacrifice.
I think he was not looking at everything.
Some players just focus on what they want
to do next, while ignoring other things that
are going on. Me, I would have serious
trouble overlooking the gaffe in the opening;
that's because I try to look at what's
happening on the board.
> In case Easy Level do not give knight Sacrifice was there
> any chance for Easy to win the game?
White left its King exposed to a Knight sac'
on h3. If you want your program to win more,
just improve its tactics so the games will last
longer. The longer a game lasts, the more
opportunities there will be for the human to
go wrong. Let's say you got to where the
average game lasted 100 moves; I think by
that point, your program would be winning a
lot more games, due to stupid human errors.
-- help bot
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Date: 17 Apr 2008 10:16:25
From: SBD
Subject: Re: Please Analyze this game between Easy Level & Chrisf
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On Apr 17, 10:55 am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:
>
> Yes Master Level plays as good as Rybka. I played a few games with
> Easy & Normal Level and I think Master plays as good as Rybka. I have
Pure fantasy.
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Date: 17 Apr 2008 08:55:50
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Please Analyze this game between Easy Level & Chrisf
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> =A0 The sacrifice of a Knight was of no help; White
> left its King exposed and made a lot of weakening
> moves.
Thats what I think too.That knight was gone for no reasion.
> =A0 Look at the opening; after White plays d3, he is
> threatening to win the e-pawn for free by Nxe5-- a
> simple fact which both players somehow missed.
> This is about as simple as tactics can get.
Yes instead of 7.Nc3 White should have played 7.BxN PxB 8. Nxe5 and
gained the e5 Pawn.
GetClub Missed it because I have thought it to Develop its pieces
First then go for the Kill.
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
> > Chrisf is playing in just 10 sec/ move while easy level was taking 30
> > sec / move. So you can see how fast Chrisf was thinking.
>
> =A0 My advice would be to slow down a bit, and
> look at what's actually going on. =A0You can play
> "blitz" against the Beginner level.
When Chrisf can win playing in just 4-5 sec/move against Beginner why
will he take longer.
For myself even if I take 20 min / move I will never be able to win
the Beginner Level.
You need atleast 20-30 sec/ move to win against Beginner. I will never
sugest you to play Blitz against Beginner as Beginner may spoil your
Ratings.
Now Higher Levels like Normal/ Easy/ have got Higher points. You get
+40 Rating points on winning Master Level. and arround +20 for winning
the Normal Level. While only +5 points for winning the Beginner Level.
So if you are a good player you may play with Higher Levels and take
your Scores to +2000 by playing just a few games.
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
> > Do you think Chrisf can still beat the Master Level? Or can Master
> > Level win against Chrisf. I am pretty sure Master Level will win
> > against Helpbot, Taylor Kingston and other good players.
>
> =A0 This game shows what can happen if the
> human opponent is allowed to gang up on a
> completely undefended King. =A0But on Master
> level, things are not going to be quite so easy.
Yes Master Level plays as good as Rybka. I played a few games with
Easy & Normal Level and I think Master plays as good as Rybka. I have
not yet tried as my Rating is low and not allowed to duel with Master
Level.
One can only play with master level if his rating is higher than 1050.
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
> =A0 A long time ago,I noticed that when I played
> the Caro-Kann as Black, the Master level was
> defending much better than the weaker levels.
Why not Master Level thinks for 5-10 min / move While Beginner gets a
penny just 5-10 sec / move.
> =A0 Funny thing is, after he allowed his Q and R
> to get forked, he really had no choice but to
> follow up-- or else he'd be a Rook down. =A0
> The GetClub prog does not defend well, so if
> you can get an attack on the King, as in this
> game, you're set unless you run out of ammo.
Do you think Chrisf just overlooked the Fork or he really gave the
sacrifice. Incase Easy Level do not give knight Sacrifice was there
any chance for Easy to win the game?
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 17 Apr 2008 07:08:38
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Please Analyze this game between Easy Level & Chrisf
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On Apr 17, 1:53 am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:
> Chrisf is 2nd best player at GetClub Chess.
>
> He used to win in just 20-30 Moves earlier.
>
> But now as the GetClub game has been improved he now takes 50-60 Moves
> to win the Higher Levels.
>
> In the game below he sacrificed its Rook. and win the game. GetClub
> also Sacrificed its Knight but I do not understand whether the
> Sacrifice of Knight by Easy Level was correct or not.
>
> Game Played between chrisf and easy at GetClub.com
>
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> chrisf: (Black)
> easy: (White)
> Game Played at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
> View Recorded Game:http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM19363&game=Chess
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>
> White -- Black
> (easy) -- (chrisf)
>
> 1. e2-e4{0} e7-e5{2}
> 2. Ng1-f3{0} Nb8-c6{2}
> 3. Bf1-b5{0} a7-a6{2}
> 4. Bb5-a4{0} Ng8-f6{2}
> 5. Ke1-g1{48} Bf8-e7{4}
> 6. d2-d3{20} Ke8-g8{16}
> 7. Nb1-c3{36} d7-d6{16}
> 8. Ba4-c6{26} b7-c6{2}
> 9. h2-h3{38} Ra8-b8{10}
> 10. Ra1-b1{22} Bc8-e6{12}
> 11. Nf3-g5{40} d6-d5{4}
> 12. Ng5-e6{24} f7-e6{2}
> 13. Bc1-g5{30} h7-h6{8}
> 14. Bg5-h4{26} Qd8-e8{16}
> 15. e4-d5{30} c6-d5{12}
> 16. Rf1-e1{32} Nf6-d7{2}
> 17. Bh4-e7{24} Qe8-e7{2}
> 18. Re1-f1{20} Rf8-f5{8}
> 19. Qd1-e1{22} Rb8-f8{28}
> 20. Kg1-h1{32} Nd7-f6{18}
> 21. f2-f3{28} Nf6-h5{62}
> 22. Kh1-g1{34} Nh5-f4{6}
> 23. Rf1-f2{22} Qe7-h4{16}
> 24. Rf2-d2{22} Qh4-h5{18}
> 25. g2-g4{20} Qh5-h3{32}
> 26. g4-f5{34} Rf8-f5{2}
> 27. Nc3-e4{28} d5-e4{10}
> 28. d3-e4{24} Rf5-g5{6}
> 29. Kg1-f2{48} Qh3-h2{12}
> 30. Kf2-e3{22} Nf4-g2{6}
> 31. Rd2-g2{28} Rg5-g2{4}
> 32. c2-c4{30} Qh2-f4{8}
> 33. Ke3-d3{46} Qf4-f3{6}
> 34. Qe1-e3{52} Qf3-g4{4}
> 35. Rb1-e1{20} Rg2-g3{4}
> 36. Kd3-c2{28} Rg3-e3{12}
> 37. Re1-e3{28} h6-h5{2}
> 38. Kc2-c3{28} h5-h4{4}
> 39. a2-a4{20} h4-h3{2}
> 40. Re3-e1{36} h3-h2{4}
> 41. b2-b4{36} Qg4-f3{4}
> 42. Kc3-d2{26} Qf3-f2{4}
> 43. Kd2-d1{34} Qf2-e1{4}
> 44. Kd1-e1{34} Qh2-h1{Q}{6}
> 45. Ke1-d2{36} Qh1-e4{6}
> 46. Kd2-c3{26} Qe4-d4{10}
> 47. Kc3-b3{28} Qd4-d3{16}
> 48. Kb3-a2{58} e5-e4{4}
> 49. b4-b5{26} a6-b5{4}
> 50. c4-b5{30} e4-e3{2}
> 51. a4-a5{22} e3-e2{2}
> 52. b5-b6{22}
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> chrisf: (Black)
> easy: (White)
> Game Played at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
> View Recorded Game:http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM19363&game=Chess
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> Was the sacrifice of Knight of any use to Easy Level? How do you think
> Chrisf level of play?
The sacrifice of a Knight was of no help; White
left its King exposed and made a lot of weakening
moves.
Look at the opening; after White plays d3, he is
threatening to win the e-pawn for free by Nxe5-- a
simple fact which both players somehow missed.
This is about as simple as tactics can get.
> Chrisf is playing in just 10 sec/ move while easy level was taking 30
> sec / move. So you can see how fast Chrisf was thinking.
My advice would be to slow down a bit, and
look at what's actually going on. You can play
"blitz" against the Beginner level.
> Do you think Chrisf can still beat the Master Level? Or can Master
> Level win against Chrisf. I am pretty sure Master Level will win
> against Helpbot, Taylor Kingston and other good players.
This game shows what can happen if the
human opponent is allowed to gang up on a
completely undefended King. But on Master
level, things are not going to be quite so easy.
A long time ago,I noticed that when I played
the Caro-Kann as Black, the Master level was
defending much better than the weaker levels.
> But I still feel that Chrisf can win the Master Level as he plays
> remarkably well.
Funny thing is, after he allowed his Q and R
to get forked, he really had no choice but to
follow up-- or else he'd be a Rook down. The
GetClub program does not defend well, so if
you can get an attack on the King, as in this
game, you're set unless you run out of ammo.
-- help bot
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